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Taunting “emphasis” is the worst rule change ever: agree or disagree? (1 Viewer)
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Hot Sauce Guy
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SeniorVBDStudent
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Agreed. It's not the worst rule change ever. The adminstration of the rule, however, needs to be revisited. It's being applied in excess...but that's not unusual for a new rule.
Boston
Footballguy
Totally agree...guy tweeting sounds like a 10 year old...there is a difference between taunting and celebrating/emotion...like players refs need to make split second decisions and they may get it wrong sometimes...not that the league needs more review but this is an area where it can be used.
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
The emphasis on this is dumb, yeah, but players know it and need to be a little smarter.
That said, the one thrown late last night was BS. The official only threw the flag after he and the player bumped into each other, contact that the official initiated!! Go back and watch it. The official watches the alleged taunting, doesn't throw a flag, watches as the Bears player runs past him, literally takes a half step back and sticks his butt out to make contact with the player, and then throws the flag. I guess this is officiating in the NFL in 2021.
That said, the one thrown late last night was BS. The official only threw the flag after he and the player bumped into each other, contact that the official initiated!! Go back and watch it. The official watches the alleged taunting, doesn't throw a flag, watches as the Bears player runs past him, literally takes a half step back and sticks his butt out to make contact with the player, and then throws the flag. I guess this is officiating in the NFL in 2021.
I thought he was reaching for his flag as he did the weird step back bump thing. It looks like I may be in the minority here but I didn’t hate that call. And I’m a rabid Steelers hater as a Ravens fan. You did your round off kick thing, you flexed with your teammates, don’t strut and stare towards the other team’s bench. That’s an unnecessary, aggressive move and isn’t part of celebrating the play.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
It's only dumb if you can't follow the rules. It's not hard to make a tackle and then go celebrate with your teammates instead of strutting around like you're the #### of the walk.
TheWinz
Footballguy
You can find numerous YouTube clips on this call. As you watch them, try to figure out what action the ref is actually throwing the flag for. Then decide if that action is worthy of a flag.
massraider
Footballguy
Yeah he was.
It normally doesn't take as long to get the flag out, but it can take longer when you are simultaneously initiating contact with a player.
On top of it being a terrible call, whether they are emphasizing it or not.
Regarding the rule, I liken this very much to roughing the passer. The NFL emphasized it, and defenders stopped burying QBs after the NFL was gone. Some people miss that, they enjoyed seeing a defenseless human getting hammered. There are still some bad calls, but it was fixing something that was broken. It never should have been OK to do that.
The celebrations, I'm fine with. You start pulling stuff that antagonizes the other team, this WWF crap, throw the flag.
That was a bad call, IMO, and at a terrible time in the game, and if you want to make an argument that Tony Corrente had the Steelers ML, I won't argue with you, but I'm general I think the majority of fans don't want to see it, and it can lead to fights and retaliation.
Insein
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amnesiac
beer is good
are there any warnings?
seems like maybe each team should get one warning before they start handing out penalties.
i dunno. i think the taunting was getting a little out of hand, especially when the players are talking trash for getting a first down, when they're down 21 points in the 4th quarter.
my guess is the NFL is trying to reduce the number of fights on the field, and maybe they thought cracking down on taunting would help.
seems like maybe each team should get one warning before they start handing out penalties.
i dunno. i think the taunting was getting a little out of hand, especially when the players are talking trash for getting a first down, when they're down 21 points in the 4th quarter.
my guess is the NFL is trying to reduce the number of fights on the field, and maybe they thought cracking down on taunting would help.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Agreed, it really boils down to the above. While I think in most cases the taunting penalty is dumb and unnecessary it is easily avoided.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I think the penalty should be double when the player taunts after doing something that's not even that great. Like the play last night the dude wasn't even blocked on the play. Big Ben just got flushed out right in to him. It's not a special play that a 40 year old immobile QB fell into your lap. A big play in the game that you should celebrate with your team? Sure. You didn't show anyone up though so stop walking over to the bench with your chest puffed out like you just dominated them. 15 yards for taunting. Another 15 yards for taunting without cause.
massraider
Footballguy
I really think it's money. NFL is a business, and that stuff turns off a lot of people.
There are definitely people that might enjoy it, but will they stop watching if players aren't staring at the other sideline after making a tackle? Nah.
Meantime, there definitely people who are bothered every time a player shows "too much" emotion. Eliminating all of that is dumb, but you have a lot of people that are annoyed by it.
Those people buy tickets, and have subscriptions, and buy jerseys.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
I get the what they are trying to accomplish with the new rule, and a little less flapping of the gums after a 5 yard catch for a first down is fine by me. Problem is, the call last night was absurd. All Marsh did was stand and stare. It was an absurd interpretation of the rule by Corrente IMHO. I'm guessing that's not what the NFL had in mind.
Staring = 15 yds
Staring = 15 yds
Andy Dufresne
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smbkrypt24
Footballguy
I am agreeing with Andy on this one that a flag was deserved on that play. I have see a lot of people hating the taunting call, but I saw him run closer to the Steelers bench and seemingly yell in a players face (don't think it was directed at him). The players are all aware the league is flagging taunting heavily, why do so many feel the need to test the refs each game. IMO some of the taunting is over flagged, but if I am a player that cares about winning I would tame it down until next year when its more lenient.
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Chaka
Footballguy
Meh. It starts with a flawed premise and proceeds straight into "damn teenagers" territory.
Mediocre & obvious IMO.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
According to Corrente, he was called for his "posturing". There was no mention of any words being said by Marsh by the official who made the call.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
Thanks for pointing that out. I assumed he was yelling something. Main point remains about taunting but thanks for correcting that. Not sure he actually said anything now that I looked at it from different angle.
Will correct OP.
Hot Sauce Guy
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Chaka
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Overemphasis is the norm when instituting a new rule. In week nine if a player doesn't realize that it's on them.
I don't care if the flag should have or shouldn't have been thrown. What should be obvious by now is the potential for a flag in that situation. It was a stupid move by Marsh. They should send him and his "look how much I love Jesus" face paint back to the PS until he learns a little humility.
I don't care if the flag should have or shouldn't have been thrown. What should be obvious by now is the potential for a flag in that situation. It was a stupid move by Marsh. They should send him and his "look how much I love Jesus" face paint back to the PS until he learns a little humility.
Chaka
Footballguy
No one says he has to calmly return to his bench. That's why God invented high fives and "I swear it's not homo-erotic!" ### slapping. Just don't be stupid and do something that could potentially hurt your team.
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Chaka
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Right! He got to do his sweet roundhouse kick. Now go strut back to your bench. It wasn’t just a stare. It was the stare, while strutting, in the direction of your opponents bench. That’s aggressive. If someone someone stares at me at a bar, I’m cool. If someone struts away from me at a bar I’m cool. But if you strut towards me like that while staring me down my hands are going up if it’s a normal size person or if it’s a NFL LB sized person I’m screaming for the bouncer. It’s aggressive no other interpretation.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Dang, settle down now Chuck Norris. You’d throw hands over a gesture?
Dude gesturing would be like, “calmer than you.”
I really don’t care if an NFL player crawls across the field like a crouched lion then gets up & pounds his chest like King Kong, makes the throat slash gesture & does a standing backflip, landing in a superhero 3-point stance before pointing at the dude he just beat on the field.
it’s football. Entertain me. It’s a stupid rule that NFL owners wanted an emphasis on, for reasons that sound a lot like old man yells at cloud. They can’t actually articulate it without an unsubstantiated appeal to the masses.
I get the “well it’s the rule, so it’s dumb of a player to get hit with it” But the fact remains that it’s an arbitrary judgement call & does nothing to improve the game. If anything it steals joy from the game. It comes off as arbitrary and stodgy.
SBNation nailed it here:
https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2021/8/18/22630842/nfl-taunting-rules-john-mara
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IvanKaramazov
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April: Missing football.
May: Missing footfall.
June: Missing football.
July: Missing football.
August: Looking forward to football.
September - February: Complaining about football with a particular emphasis on officiating.
March: Missing football.
May: Missing footfall.
June: Missing football.
July: Missing football.
August: Looking forward to football.
September - February: Complaining about football with a particular emphasis on officiating.
March: Missing football.
I agree and think they need to take the rules committee needs to take aggression completely out of the game.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Except that that stuff ISN'T football. It's ridiculous juvenile WWE-type nonsense -especially when it's the ONE play that a practice squadder has made in about six years in the league.
Look at me-ism might appeal to a certain segment of the viewing audience but I think the majority are turned off by it. I'm in the latter. Great, you did your job. Go do it again.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I just ripped my shirt off and I'm pounding my oiled-up chest between keystrokes. I just pointed at you and snarled.
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Hot Sauce Guy
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Andy Dufresne
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Chaka
Footballguy
Rabid fans generally don't care about those things (personally I am from the Barry Sanders school of Act Like You've Been There, and think the histrionics are stupid, childish and distracting particularly in a team sport). But people like us are watching no matter what so the league rarely makes decisions with us in mind.
Casual fans generally don't find those things entertaining, which is why they added the rule. I am sure the decision came down to a little more than a bunch of cranky old white dudes saying they don't like it. The league has a bunch of market research consultants that tell them about trends in the fan base and how to increase said base. The data is what drove this rule change.
If I had to guess it probably has a lot to do with their plans to expand into the German market as they intend to start playing international games there in the near future.
And we all know how the Germans are famous for their amazing sense of humor and ability to not take offense.
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Hot Sauce Guy
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Hot Sauce Guy
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I am also from that school.
But I evolved with the game. I enjoyed the TO celebrations, the Steve Smith rowing the boat on the sideline, the team celebrations, rocking the baby ball to sleep, etc. I don't watch the game for them, but I don't mind them either. But then, I also don't shake my fist at that loud rap & roll, or yell at kids to get offa my lawn, so..
I don't think "casual fans" care one way or another about it. There was no outcry to clamp down on joy.
The prior changes made sense. Player safety, equipment upgrades, eliminating more KR due to injury.
This reeks of rich old white guys clamping down on celebrations for no real reason. it's a control thing, and it comes off as heavy-handed.
That's probably exactly it.
The funny thing is Germans would likely love the extravagant celebrations. When a culture is stiff, it's the over the top stuff they love. My brother's lived in Berlin 30 years. I've visited him & we've gone to soccer games - Germans are hardly quiet and reserved in the stands, and players do all kinds of crazy celebrations when they score.
Stinkin Ref
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this is pretty much where I am at.....in any sport, they don't just make things a point of emphasis for the heck of it....even in high school, every year we have "points of emphasis" in every sport because they are things they want us to look at and possibly officiate differently then we have in the past....usually its because it has become a "problem" or is "being overlooked" a little too much.....this isn't on the refs, they are doing what they are told....every play these guys call, even the seemingly most irrelevant ones are evaluated and scrutinized...and graded....to be honest, Tony C probably would have been "downgraded" if he didn't throw that flag....dude took it way too far...IMO he was probably fine until he started walking towards the Steelers bench....taking those few steps IMO really made the difference (combined with is body language)....two factors really come into play as well, they know little kids, middle school, high school, college, watch these guys and they don't want the trickle down affect...in addition, IMO there is line between a little good natured smack talk or taunting (think John Randle) and what this dude did....he took it to the extreme, made a spectacle of himself in front of everybody, was aggressive in his posturing.....he wasn't celebrating with his teammates, he was directing everything he had at his opponents in an aggressive manner....and is the kind of stuff that can lead to altercations and "chippy/cheap" stuff down the road, escalating into fights, etc....don't get me wrong, I too like to see a little emotion and maybe even some things that stir the pot a little and amp up the physicality, etc......but homeboy took this to a different level and was actually lucky it didn't cause more trouble....
Chaka
Footballguy
This rule change is absolutely, 190% unquestionably for the casual fans.
There is no way they make this change if the market research says it will alienate more than it will attract.
They aren't alienating people like us no matter what they do (the officiating was so bad last night, outside the Marsh call which I was okay with, I wanted to quit watching...but I didn't).
Billionaires seldom do things without deep consideration.
There is no way they make this change if the market research says it will alienate more than it will attract.
They aren't alienating people like us no matter what they do (the officiating was so bad last night, outside the Marsh call which I was okay with, I wanted to quit watching...but I didn't).
Billionaires seldom do things without deep consideration.
Nah I very clearly didn’t say I’d be throwing punches. I said my hands would be up, as in by my face on the defensive. I certainly wouldn’t be passively leaning on the bar or sitting on a stool with my hands by my side if someone stared me down and strutted towards me like that. And anyone would be an idiot to not be on high alert in that situation. And that’s the point. The NFL doesn’t want players escalated and on high alert after the whistle. I really think he could have strutted all the way to his bench if he wanted but you can’t strut towards the other bench. You can’t get in another players face like when Ramsey and AJB got penalties. Nothing after the whistle to amp up the aggression.
As for your article, the NFL let’s players celebrate to a degree. You can do the end zone pose. You can do a lot of celebrating with your teammates. Did they take away the rowing the boat stuff too? If they did I disagree with that. As others have said it’s the casual fan the NFL cares losing with the unnecessary aggressive stuff that can escalate and lead to even more publicity grabbing aggressive stuff. They don’t want that. As for the NBA comparison, I don’t watch it as much but they’ve cracked down on some of that stuff too I thought. Technicals for getting in people’s faces. Remember when Dikembe would do the finger wag thing? Now it’s cool but not if you direct at someone. Then it’s a T.
Stinkin Ref
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lot of grey area in the bolded....if a player gets in the face of a ref and calls him a #### sucker....thats a non football play....should that not be penalized because it might impact the game?....
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
imagine if what this guy did wasn't ever penalized and went on throughout the game from start to finish by both teams....do we think that is a good thing...?
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amnesiac
beer is good
that's... not a bad idea. they could even have a designated charity for each game.
Announcer 1: "Looks like Smith is going to be called for taunting for thrusting his pelvis towards the other team's bench."
Announcer 2: "That's right. And Ronald McDonald House will receive another 10K dollars for their operations as a result."
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