Taylor vs. Taylor (1 Viewer)

[fantasyplayer]

I've read the Addai vs. Barber and Turner vs. LJ threads today, so I decided to pose this one.

Obviously these guys are a little further down the rankings, but have enough value to merit discussion. Most rankings I've seen have them right next to one another, but I'm having a hard time determining what separation there is, if any.

They're situations are similar in that they both play in extremely potent rushing offenses and are the veteran member of a 2 player rushing tandem. Neither appears to be the long-term answer for their teams, but both should provide production this year.

What says the Shark Pool?

 

[Post Corner]

Yuck and yuck. Maybe slight edge to Chester Taylor b/c runs behind better line... if Adrian Peterson goes down, Taylor is running in a very good situation. There are a crew of people out there that aren't sold on Peterson's one healthy year after a load of bumps and bruises in college.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Why yuck and yuck? Not everyone can snag LT. It's players such as these that can be an integral part of your championship run.

 

[mozzy84]

Yuck and yuck. Maybe slight edge to Chester Taylor b/c runs behind better line... if Adrian Peterson goes down, Taylor is running in a very good situation. There are a crew of people out there that aren't sold on Peterson's one healthy year after a load of bumps and bruises in college.

really I was thinking the exact opposite, at least fred taylor will probably get more carries than MJD that can't be said for chester. C. Taylor is going to be this years ladell betts imo.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

I'd go with Fred Taylor and pretty easily at that. Chester Taylor had his best games last season when AD was either out or slowed by injury while Fred Taylor played well with MJD. If it's a choice between those two then I'd have to go with Fred Taylor. He doesn't need to team's best running back to be injured to have fantasy success.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I think it's a good question and a tough one. Both teams are good at running the ball and both players get carries even though they aren't the goaline/feature backs.

I guess I would say I'd favor Chester Taylor in PPR leagues and in yardage favoring leagues, I'd go with Fred.

I do think if both MJD and ADP went down on those two guys were running full time on their own, I have the feeling Chester would put up the bigger numbers.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Yuck and yuck. Maybe slight edge to Chester Taylor b/c runs behind better line... if Adrian Peterson goes down, Taylor is running in a very good situation. There are a crew of people out there that aren't sold on Peterson's one healthy year after a load of bumps and bruises in college.

really I was thinking the exact opposite, at least fred taylor will probably get more carries than MJD that can't be said for chester. C. Taylor is going to be this years ladell betts imo.

I'm not sure MJD won't overtake Fred this year.Remember, Fred is 32, and has a ton of miles on him. He's been able to stay injury-free for quite a while, which is great. I'm just not sure he's going to have it for much longer.

 

[hoochiemama]

I like Fred Taylor. He could easily get 800+ yards with Jax O line and Defense. And yes, I think MJD will get his. I just am sold on Jax as a break out Offense this year.

 

[AnonymousBob]

If I was drafting the guy to be my starter from day 1, Fred Taylor would be the guy. If I took him as a backup and my starters were quite durable and dependable then I'd gamble with Chester Taylor.

Knowing my general style in ff I'd take Chester. Even if ADP stays healthy (unlikely), Chester should still get enough carries to be vaguely serviceable backup.

 

[cacksman]

I dont even see how this is close. Taylor is the best RB on the Jags. Taylor is definitely not the best RB on the Vikings.

 

[Keys Myaths]

I dont even see how this is close. Taylor is the best RB on the Jags. Taylor is definitely not the best RB on the Vikings.

You'll find many, many people who disagree with you here.Blanket statements like this are what lead to threads to deteriorate and become shouting matches. Instead of saying 'I don't see how this is close', explain your thoughts a little more.

 

[AnonymousBob]

I dont even see how this is close. Taylor is the best RB on the Jags. Taylor is definitely not the best RB on the Vikings.

Who cares if he is or isn't the best? Chester had 1125 combined yards with 7 touchdowns. Fred had 1260 yards with 5 touchdowns.That seems fairly close.Fred Taylor is 32. I'm skeptical he'll hold up in 2008. He just had a career season. I believe he is an elite talent but I don't expect him to match his ypc from last season. Again, I'd take Chester Taylor. You're certainly not an idiot for taking one over the other but imo this isn't an obvious choice.

 

[proninja]

Why yuck and yuck? Not everyone can snag LT. It's players such as these that can be an integral part of your championship run.

Fred Taylor was a pretty damn solid #2 RB through a playoff run that culminated in a championship for me last year. I rather like these kind of discussions, as most of my drafts are more than five rounds.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Fred Taylor ended last year with 5 consecutive 100-yard games in which he averaged 7.4, 7.4, 7.3, 5.9 and 15.9 yards/carry. Don't write his obituary yet.

 

[pollardsvision]

i think it's chester.

i think freddy will run for about 200 more yards, but chester will get more total yards (by about 150) and a couple more TDs.

then there's chester's upside in the event of a peterson injury.

i see both as solid contributors this year, but i like chester a little more.

 

[pollardsvision]

I dont even see how this is close. Taylor is the best RB on the Jags. Taylor is definitely not the best RB on the Vikings.

i don't think i agree with you, but it really doesn't matter. what fred does is much more important for the jags than it is for fantasy teams. fred will get outscored by his own back up, so it's certainly feasible that the back up on an even better running team could outscore him too.

 

[cacksman]

I dont even see how this is close. Taylor is the best RB on the Jags. Taylor is definitely not the best RB on the Vikings.

Who cares if he is or isn't the best? Chester had 1125 combined yards with 7 touchdowns. Fred had 1260 yards with 5 touchdowns.That seems fairly close.Fred Taylor is 32. I'm skeptical he'll hold up in 2008. He just had a career season. I believe he is an elite talent but I don't expect him to match his ypc from last season. Again, I'd take Chester Taylor. You're certainly not an idiot for taking one over the other but imo this isn't an obvious choice.

When you pick Chester, you are taking the gamble that someone will get hurt for a period of time. Even then, he still didnt outperform Fred. If AP doesnt get hurt, Fred outperforms him by miles.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I dont even see how this is close. Taylor is the best RB on the Jags. Taylor is definitely not the best RB on the Vikings.

Last 2 years:Fred Taylor finished 18 and 18Chester Taylor finished 12 and 20They are both playing for the same teams that they have the past two years, how do you not see this is close. In Jax, you have an aging running back that seems to get a little more work the Chester but in Minnesota, you have a very dynamic running game and Minnesota has shown they like to bring in Chester Taylor. Chester Taylor proved two seasons ago he could be a 300 plus rusher in this league....that's impressive.These two guys are clearly the top two handcuffs in the league.

 

[Moe Green]

Fred Taylor is probably the safer pick, but Chester Taylor's upside could be huge if AP goes down.

 

[Nemesis Enforcer]

I agree with what someone said before, I think Freddy will be a steadier option week to week if you need him at RB2 or a flex spot. If you are set because you go rb early and often, not many more guys can give you the potential off your bench then Chester can offer if AD gets hurt. He would be the primary back in one of the league's best rushing offenses. Chester will still contribute while AD is healthy but it will be sporatic. It would all depend on how my draft opens, if I can afford the shot I would roster Chester, if I need stability then I am leaning towards Fred.

 

[DawnBTVS]

The thing I like about Fred Taylor is his consistency...

2002 - 4.6 YPC

2003 - 4.6

2004 - 4.7

2005 - 4.1

2006 - 5.0

2007 - 5.4

What strikes me is that last year, Fred had only 9 catches on the season (career low). 5 other players had 37+ catches (MJD had 40) so if I were thinking about Fred, I'd be concerned that his top shelf reception numbers would be 10-15 from here on out. Couple that with his declining carries per game and one has to be concerned about his future production.

Chester went up from a 4.0 to a 5.4 on only 157 carries. He also had 29 catches and has never really been a huge threat when catching the ball.

The question now becomes: Do you take the rushing of Fred Taylor and hope he gets his 215+ carries or do you take the upside/potential of Chester in hopes that he gets more carries?

Right now, I'd take Fred Taylor simply because he's been consistent with his YPC year after year and I can't see him catching just 9 balls again this season even with the inclusion of Jerry Porter. I can't take Chester because nobody can predict injury and he wasn't that impressive carrying the load in 2006 with a 4.0 YPC. Of note, he only had 6 rushing TD that season too on almost 70 more carries (Fred had 5).

For those playing the AP could get injured idea... Jones-Drew could also get injured and let FT take the load so IMO, that's a wash.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

These two guys are clearly the top two handcuffs in the league.

Technically, Fred's the starter. You have to draft his handcuff about 5 rounds earlier. For this year, I'd probably put them both in the same bucket/tier. I'd be okay with either around the same ADP. Why? I think they'll wind up with similar scoring totals(Around RB17-20). Fred just will NOT score the lion's share of the TDs in Jacksonville. Even if Jones-Drew were to get hurt, Greg Jones probably enters the GL equation in that case. Fred's output probably stays the same.Chester may have to "rely" on an injury to really take off, but even if Peterson stays relatively healthy all season I can see Chet getting his 150-ish touches and being productive enough with them to be top 20 again. And, of course, if Peterson gets dinged for a handful of games then he spikes up quite a bit.

 

[cacksman]

I dont even see how this is close. Taylor is the best RB on the Jags. Taylor is definitely not the best RB on the Vikings.

Last 2 years:Fred Taylor finished 18 and 18

Chester Taylor finished 12 and 20

They are both playing for the same teams that they have the past two years, how do you not see this is close.

What is it today with people and picking dumb stats to make a point?2 years ago, the best RB on the Vikings wasnt on the team, maybe that is why Chester finished top 15?

 

[awesomeness]

Fred Taylor has considerably less risk than Chester Taylor does imo. Chester will only get enough carries for you to be comfortable putting in your lineup when ADP is injured (although ADP seems to be prone to them). Chester Taylor has the better upside however, since if ADP gets injured he will be a workhouse back. While if MJD got injured Taylor would probably still share carries with Greg Jones.

Personally i think Taylor is on a different tier. I'd go with him.

 

[benbadman]

In one keeper league i'm in where I have Peterson locked up, I anticipate getting MJD in round 1 of the draft and then possibly going for Fred in rd6 as a RB3/4 and Chester in rd8/9 as a RB4. Maybe grab a RB3 starter from some other team in rd4/5. I wouldnt mind having BOTH Taylors this year!

 

[Birdie048]

I dont even see how this is close. Fred Taylor is the oldest RB on the Jags. Chester Taylor is definitely not the best RB on the Vikings.

Fixed this a bit... Fred is getting long in the tooth and could see more reduction in touches this year. He will be 32 before the season is over. Jax will be giving MJD more touches this year to help save Fred for the long slow gentle ride to retirement. I don't know his contract status, but I would wager there is not much left on it for him in Jax. Take Chester. Even if ADP does not go down, Chester will see 5-10 touches a game. But if ADP drops again, Chester could produce Top 10 value.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I dont even see how this is close. Taylor is the best RB on the Jags. Taylor is definitely not the best RB on the Vikings.

Last 2 years:Fred Taylor finished 18 and 18

Chester Taylor finished 12 and 20

They are both playing for the same teams that they have the past two years, how do you not see this is close.

What is it today with people and picking dumb stats to make a point?2 years ago, the best RB on the Vikings wasnt on the team, maybe that is why Chester finished top 15?

LOL, I'm sorry it was too much for you to understand all at once. Let me break it down:Two years ago, Chester Taylor finished 12th in fantasy football for RB's and rushed the ball over 300 carries. Now, they picked up ADP and he was a phenom. But STILL, ADP was good enough to be a top 20 RB last year. That's last year bud where ADP was on the team.

The only thing that doesn't make sense is yoru original statement:

Taylor is best on the Jags, Chester Taylor isn't the best on Minnesota .......so what? What does that prove, Fred Taylor wouldn't be the best back right now on Minnesota either.

 

[bonesman]

I wish this would've been a pole.

I'd say both provide good value for their ADP. I think Taylor has a bit of a higher ceiling, though Taylor will probably be more consistent. I think I agree w/ whomever said Taylor is the better RB 2 and Taylor is the better RB 3. I think their stats will be in the same neighborhood by the end of the season.

 

[Manster]

I dont even see how this is close. Taylor is the best RB on the Jags. Taylor is definitely not the best RB on the Vikings.

i disagree. C.Taylor will get quite a few carries. AP is injury prone, and i see Minny spelling him quite often with a talented C.Taylor. Chester had pretty nice stats last yr, although so did F.Taylor. but i see MJD taking more of the load this season. Fred is geriatric for a RB, although he's still got a bit in the tank.if i'm the AP owner im dam sure gonna try to snag C.Taylor as well.

 

[cacksman]

I dont even see how this is close. Taylor is the best RB on the Jags. Taylor is definitely not the best RB on the Vikings.

Last 2 years:Fred Taylor finished 18 and 18

Chester Taylor finished 12 and 20

They are both playing for the same teams that they have the past two years, how do you not see this is close.

What is it today with people and picking dumb stats to make a point?2 years ago, the best RB on the Vikings wasnt on the team, maybe that is why Chester finished top 15?

LOL, I'm sorry it was too much for you to understand all at once. Let me break it down:Two years ago, Chester Taylor finished 12th in fantasy football for RB's and rushed the ball over 300 carries. Now, they picked up ADP and he was a phenom. But STILL, ADP was good enough to be a top 20 RB last year. That's last year bud where ADP was on the team.

The only thing that doesn't make sense is yoru original statement:

Taylor is best on the Jags, Chester Taylor isn't the best on Minnesota .......so what? What does that prove, Fred Taylor wouldn't be the best back right now on Minnesota either.

This is the big statement you leave with?Well then its a good thing Fred Taylor is on the Jags and not the Vikings then.

 

[Manster]

I dont even see how this is close. Taylor is the best RB on the Jags. Taylor is definitely not the best RB on the Vikings.

Last 2 years:Fred Taylor finished 18 and 18

Chester Taylor finished 12 and 20

They are both playing for the same teams that they have the past two years, how do you not see this is close.

What is it today with people and picking dumb stats to make a point?2 years ago, the best RB on the Vikings wasnt on the team, maybe that is why Chester finished top 15?

LOL, I'm sorry it was too much for you to understand all at once. Let me break it down:Two years ago, Chester Taylor finished 12th in fantasy football for RB's and rushed the ball over 300 carries. Now, they picked up ADP and he was a phenom. But STILL, ADP was good enough to be a top 20 RB last year. That's last year bud where ADP was on the team.

The only thing that doesn't make sense is yoru original statement:

Taylor is best on the Jags, Chester Taylor isn't the best on Minnesota .......so what? What does that prove, Fred Taylor wouldn't be the best back right now on Minnesota either.

This is the big statement you leave with?Well then its a good thing Fred Taylor is on the Jags and not the Vikings then.

F.Taylor is not the best back in Jax, anymore. MJD is the real deal.

 

[cacksman]

Chester had pretty nice stats last yr, although so did F.Taylor. but i see MJD taking more of the load this season.

Chester had nice stats because AP wasinjured for a few games. It goes like this, ifyouneed an everyday starter(like most), Fred is easily the choice.If you are one of the very few in an 6-8 team league where you can stash oneof these guys on the bench, then I'd probably go with Chester because his upside is bigger.

 

[cacksman]

I dont even see how this is close. Taylor is the best RB on the Jags. Taylor is definitely not the best RB on the Vikings.

Last 2 years:Fred Taylor finished 18 and 18

Chester Taylor finished 12 and 20

They are both playing for the same teams that they have the past two years, how do you not see this is close.

What is it today with people and picking dumb stats to make a point?2 years ago, the best RB on the Vikings wasnt on the team, maybe that is why Chester finished top 15?

LOL, I'm sorry it was too much for you to understand all at once. Let me break it down:Two years ago, Chester Taylor finished 12th in fantasy football for RB's and rushed the ball over 300 carries. Now, they picked up ADP and he was a phenom. But STILL, ADP was good enough to be a top 20 RB last year. That's last year bud where ADP was on the team.

The only thing that doesn't make sense is yoru original statement:

Taylor is best on the Jags, Chester Taylor isn't the best on Minnesota .......so what? What does that prove, Fred Taylor wouldn't be the best back right now on Minnesota either.

This is the big statement you leave with?Well then its a good thing Fred Taylor is on the Jags and not the Vikings then.

F.Taylor is not the best back in Jax, anymore. MJD is the real deal.

 

[Manster]

Chester had pretty nice stats last yr, although so did F.Taylor. but i see MJD taking more of the load this season.

Chester had nice stats because AP wasinjured for a few games. It goes like this, ifyouneed an everyday starter(like most), Fred is easily the choice.If you are one of the very few in an 6-8 team league where you can stash oneof these guys on the bench, then I'd probably go with Chester because his upside is bigger.

i'm kinda confused. both of these guys can be drafted after you've secured your starters, depending on how you draft, even in a 12 team league.

 

[Tanner9919]

Yuck and yuck. Maybe slight edge to Chester Taylor b/c runs behind better line... if Adrian Peterson goes down, Taylor is running in a very good situation. There are a crew of people out there that aren't sold on Peterson's one healthy year after a load of bumps and bruises in college.

really I was thinking the exact opposite, at least fred taylor will probably get more carries than MJD that can't be said for chester. C. Taylor is going to be this years ladell betts imo.

I'm not sure MJD won't overtake Fred this year.Remember, Fred is 32, and has a ton of miles on him. He's been able to stay injury-free for quite a while, which is great. I'm just not sure he's going to have it for much longer.

really? How so??!in his first 10 seasons in the NFL , Emmitt Smith had 3243 carries..Thurman Thomas had 2720 in his first 10 seasons, LT2 has 2365 in just 7 seasons..

Fred Taylor has just 2285 carries in ten seasons as a pro..he hasn't even had to replace the timing belt on that car yet!

I"m not sure MJD will ever take over the starting RB gig in Jax, he's more suited to be a change of pace/3rd down guy..

Factor in to this equation, that Greg Jones is back..

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I dont even see how this is close. Taylor is the best RB on the Jags. Taylor is definitely not the best RB on the Vikings.

Last 2 years:Fred Taylor finished 18 and 18

Chester Taylor finished 12 and 20

They are both playing for the same teams that they have the past two years, how do you not see this is close.

What is it today with people and picking dumb stats to make a point?2 years ago, the best RB on the Vikings wasnt on the team, maybe that is why Chester finished top 15?

LOL, I'm sorry it was too much for you to understand all at once. Let me break it down:Two years ago, Chester Taylor finished 12th in fantasy football for RB's and rushed the ball over 300 carries. Now, they picked up ADP and he was a phenom. But STILL, ADP was good enough to be a top 20 RB last year. That's last year bud where ADP was on the team.

The only thing that doesn't make sense is yoru original statement:

Taylor is best on the Jags, Chester Taylor isn't the best on Minnesota .......so what? What does that prove, Fred Taylor wouldn't be the best back right now on Minnesota either.

This is the big statement you leave with?Well then its a good thing Fred Taylor is on the Jags and not the Vikings then.

My first IGNORE POSTER of the 2008 season, I can see you will not offer me any useful information and offer 1 liners to fluff your post total. I'll give you a shot next year, if you're still around here.

 

[fantasyplayer]

Chester had pretty nice stats last yr, although so did F.Taylor. but i see MJD taking more of the load this season.

Chester had nice stats because AP wasinjured for a few games. It goes like this, ifyouneed an everyday starter(like most), Fred is easily the choice.If you are one of the very few in an 6-8 team league where you can stash oneof these guys on the bench, then I'd probably go with Chester because his upside is bigger.

i'm kinda confused. both of these guys can be drafted after you've secured your starters, depending on how you draft, even in a 12 team league.

I'm in a 12 team keeper league that may start up to 3 RBs. There's a good chance that I'll have the opportunity to draft one of the Taylors as my RB4. One of my keeper RBs is MJD. Does having MJD make Fred more logical? Or considering this is a RB4, should I go with Chester's upside?

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Yuck and yuck. Maybe slight edge to Chester Taylor b/c runs behind better line... if Adrian Peterson goes down, Taylor is running in a very good situation. There are a crew of people out there that aren't sold on Peterson's one healthy year after a load of bumps and bruises in college.

What year was that?In a PPR, Chester is much more valuable than Fred imo. Assuming AP and MJD stay healthy, Fred has more week-to-week upside. But I'd go with Chester because if the other guy goes down, he'd do better in a starter's role.

 

[RBM]

Fred by a mile

One is a starter and the other isnt.

 

[fantasyplayer]

Fred by a mileOne is a starter and the other isnt.

I'm not disagreeing that Fred may be the better play, but the reasoning is flawed in my opinion. It's about production, not about who's a starter and wh isn't. Fred is a starter and MJD isn't, would you take Fred before MJD?

 

[bonesman]

Factor in to this equation, that Greg Jones is back..

Greg Jones was back LAST year. He's not an overt threat to steal carries from Jones-Drew or Taylor.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Factor in to this equation, that Greg Jones is back..

Greg Jones was back LAST year. He's not an overt threat to steal carries from Jones-Drew or Taylor.

If Jones-Drew were to get injured, I think Jones immediately becomes the short yardage and GL option.

 

[RBM]

Fred by a mileOne is a starter and the other isnt.

I'm not disagreeing that Fred may be the better play, but the reasoning is flawed in my opinion. It's about production, not about who's a starter and wh isn't. Fred is a starter and MJD isn't, would you take Fred before MJD?

MJD has a definite role in that offense. Chester Taylor will most likely just be a backup this year.