TB Mike Williams (1 Viewer)

[jdoggydogg]

It just occurs to me that much like Calvin Johnson, Tampa has a big WR that's hard to contain at the goal-line.

I love Tampa Mike but comparing him to Megatron is absurd.

Can you point out where I said that Tampa Mike is as good as Calvin? I'm just saying he's dangerous in the red zone.

 

[Instinctive]

TB Mike still not catching the ball...he's getting the targets though. If he can manage a more-normal 60% catch rate, he's a WR2 easy. Finds the endzone? WR1 status.

Unfortunately, he does need to catch the ball, and it doesn't look like he's improving to me. More targets still means more catches for him, but he's not catching a better percentage.

 

[Topes]

Michael Clayton

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

He can't catch it if Freeman won't throw it to him. Do you really believe he wasn't open on every play? What was it, ZERO targets?

 

[blend]

Ridiculous. Clayton is right

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

so which season is the fluke?

 

[The Football Freak]

He can't catch it if Freeman won't throw it to him. Do you really believe he wasn't open on every play? What was it, ZERO targets?

I think this was the problem. I saw 4 plays that he was wide open and Freeman didn't even try to get it to him. On one play Freeman even had two windows to get it to MW and still couldn't get it to him. He's gun-shy and only seems comfortable with the dump pass.

 

[packersfan]

He can't catch it if Freeman won't throw it to him. Do you really believe he wasn't open on every play? What was it, ZERO targets?

I think this was the problem. I saw 4 plays that he was wide open and Freeman didn't even try to get it to him. On one play Freeman even had two windows to get it to MW and still couldn't get it to him. He's gun-shy and only seems comfortable with the dump pass.

Yup. On the play where Freeman took the intentional grounding penalty Williams was standing wide open waving his arms in the air and Freeman never even looked his way. There wasn't a defender within 20-25 yards of Williams.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

He can't catch it if Freeman won't throw it to him. Do you really believe he wasn't open on every play? What was it, ZERO targets?

I think this was the problem. I saw 4 plays that he was wide open and Freeman didn't even try to get it to him. On one play Freeman even had two windows to get it to MW and still couldn't get it to him. He's gun-shy and only seems comfortable with the dump pass.

Yup. On the play where Freeman took the intentional grounding penalty Williams was standing wide open waving his arms in the air and Freeman never even looked his way. There wasn't a defender within 20-25 yards of Williams.

Yeah, and a couple of minutes later they were talking on the sideline and Freeman gave him the "my bad" hand shake. At least that is how I interpreted it.

 

[cubbie5150]

Likely getting bounced from the fantasy playoffs b/c Freeman is unwilling to throw it more than 10 yds downfield makes total sense to me. Jeebus.... ADP for Williams next year? If it's any higher than 7th Rd, I won't be buying

 

[Instinctive]

Let's remember that even when he WAS getting targets, he couldn't catch it. Perhaps that's why Freeman doesn't look for him anymore?

 

[packersfan]

Let's remember that even when he WAS getting targets, he couldn't catch it. Perhaps that's why Freeman doesn't look for him anymore?

Williams has a poor catch percentage but he's had at least seven targets in every game but two and had double digit targets in five games (nine targets in another game). He's clearly been the No. 1 targeted WR for the Bucs and there was no sign going into tonight that was going to change. So what happened came totally out of left field. Freeman has played like garbage for nearly the entire season but in nearly every game this season he's still targeted Williams heavily. Zero targets is baffling - especially when you consider the Cowboys' secondary isn't a shutdown unit by any means and there were plays when Williams was open. I counted one play in the whole game where Williams was the primary read and he was covered. Maybe there was one or two other plays but on more than 95% of the pass plays Freeman never even looked toward Williams. He made his mind up at the snap to remove Williams from the game plan and look elsewhere. I don't think Williams has played to his talent level this season but I place most of the blame for his pathetic performance tonight on Freeman. I'm not sure what Williams can do when his quarterback decides at the snap he isn't even going to look his way and make even the slightest attempt to get him the ball.

 

[cubbie5150]

Let's remember that even when he WAS getting targets, he couldn't catch it. Perhaps that's why Freeman doesn't look for him anymore?

Williams has a poor catch percentage but he's had at least seven targets in every game but two and had double digit targets in five games (nine targets in another game). He's clearly been the No. 1 targeted WR for the Bucs and there was no sign going into tonight that was going to change. So what happened came totally out of left field. Freeman has played like garbage for nearly the entire season but in nearly every game this season he's still targeted Williams heavily. Zero targets is baffling - especially when you consider the Cowboys' secondary isn't a shutdown unit by any means and there were plays when Williams was open. I counted one play in the whole game where Williams was the primary read and he was covered. Maybe there was one or two other plays but on more than 95% of the pass plays Freeman never even looked toward Williams. He made his mind up at the snap to remove Williams from the game plan and look elsewhere. I don't think Williams has played to his talent level this season but I place most of the blame for his pathetic performance tonight on Freeman. I'm not sure what Williams can do when his quarterback decides at the snap he isn't even going to look his way and make even the slightest attempt to get him the ball.

Thanks for taking the time to type what I was thinking. I didn't love the idea of starting Mike this week, but I figured he'd get targets so was at least a relatively "safe" WR start. I was shocked to see him get ZERO chances

 

[packersfan]

Let's remember that even when he WAS getting targets, he couldn't catch it. Perhaps that's why Freeman doesn't look for him anymore?

Williams has a poor catch percentage but he's had at least seven targets in every game but two and had double digit targets in five games (nine targets in another game). He's clearly been the No. 1 targeted WR for the Bucs and there was no sign going into tonight that was going to change. So what happened came totally out of left field. Freeman has played like garbage for nearly the entire season but in nearly every game this season he's still targeted Williams heavily. Zero targets is baffling - especially when you consider the Cowboys' secondary isn't a shutdown unit by any means and there were plays when Williams was open. I counted one play in the whole game where Williams was the primary read and he was covered. Maybe there was one or two other plays but on more than 95% of the pass plays Freeman never even looked toward Williams. He made his mind up at the snap to remove Williams from the game plan and look elsewhere. I don't think Williams has played to his talent level this season but I place most of the blame for his pathetic performance tonight on Freeman. I'm not sure what Williams can do when his quarterback decides at the snap he isn't even going to look his way and make even the slightest attempt to get him the ball.

Thanks for taking the time to type what I was thinking. I didn't love the idea of starting Mike this week, but I figured he'd get targets so was at least a relatively "safe" WR start. I was shocked to see him get ZERO chances

Williams had at least 10 points in PPR leagues in six of his last eight games and hasn't been below six points since Week 5. He has been a very safe WR3 in PPR leagues for some time now. I think if people started him as a WR3 in PPR leagues this week they made the right call if 10 points or so was the expectation. That won't make a 0 any easier to take but it's not like he was a long shot who flopped. There was absolutely no way to see this coming.

 

[kerpow]

Williams had at least 10 points in PPR leagues in six of his last eight games and hasn't been below six points since Week 5. He has been a very safe WR3 in PPR leagues for some time now. I think if people started him as a WR3 in PPR leagues this week they made the right call if 10 points or so was the expectation. That won't make a 0 any easier to take but it's not like he was a long shot who flopped. There was absolutely no way to see this coming.

I went with this thinking as well, figured his floor was about 7pts. Quite typical of fantasy football really.

 

[chriskelly]

I am glad I drop this guy! He does not have it this year!

 

[bonesman]

TB had like 4 pass attempts in the first half and were down 4 scores... unacceptable.

 

[TwinTurbo]

Adding Mike Williams to my undraftable list next year along with all the other Williams...DeAngelo, Roy, Damien, Cadillac, Big Mike Williams, Willie Williams, Troy Williamson, etc. Basically I am not drafting anyone named Williams.

 

[cubbie5150]

Adding Mike Williams to my undraftable list next year along with all the other Williams...DeAngelo, Roy, Damien, Cadillac, Big Mike Williams, Willie Williams, Troy Williamson, etc. Basically I am not drafting anyone named Williams.

All depends on whether this coaching staff is back next year. Either they don't know how to develop young QB/WRs, or they need to start over on the personnel front. Freeman being unwilling to throw it farther than 10 yds is NOT a sign of development

 

[Raiderfan32904]

This all could have been saved for the venting thread. But as a fellow Tampa Mike owner that got burned in round one of the fantasy playoffs......

 

[Topes]

Freeman being unwilling to throw it farther than 10 yds is NOT a sign of development

He's recently missed time with a shoulder injury.Was it his throwing arm shoulder?

 

[packersfan]

Freeman being unwilling to throw it farther than 10 yds is NOT a sign of development

He's recently missed time with a shoulder injury.Was it his throwing arm shoulder?

He's been unwilling to throw downfield since Week 1. Last season, he would try and hit Williams deep a few times every game. I can't recall a single deep ball to Williams all season. There's probably been one in there somewhere but since Week 1 Freeman has been unwilling to try and hit Williams deep. That was a big part of their offensive approach last season that hasn't been in place at all this season.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Any MWTB owners planning any panic moves today, double up to catchup type, save your season moves?

Ya know, the high ceiling/low floor moves? I am benching Aaron Hernandez at my flex for Ced Benson.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Freeman being unwilling to throw it farther than 10 yds is NOT a sign of development

He's recently missed time with a shoulder injury.Was it his throwing arm shoulder?

He's been unwilling to throw downfield since Week 1. Last season, he would try and hit Williams deep a few times every game. I can't recall a single deep ball to Williams all season. There's probably been one in there somewhere but since Week 1 Freeman has been unwilling to try and hit Williams deep. That was a big part of their offensive approach last season that hasn't been in place at all this season.

They said it on the broadcast, and it's been said locally on the radio. The lack of team speed. It was said to be like having to play in the red zone all game long, because defenses kept creeping up. I know MWTB isn't slow, but he's not world class speed either. I wonder if losing Benn didn't hurt Williams as the safeties could cheat to his side. Briscoe sure had a lot of space on that TD catch.

 

[packersfan]

Freeman being unwilling to throw it farther than 10 yds is NOT a sign of development

He's recently missed time with a shoulder injury.Was it his throwing arm shoulder?

He's been unwilling to throw downfield since Week 1. Last season, he would try and hit Williams deep a few times every game. I can't recall a single deep ball to Williams all season. There's probably been one in there somewhere but since Week 1 Freeman has been unwilling to try and hit Williams deep. That was a big part of their offensive approach last season that hasn't been in place at all this season.

They said it on the broadcast, and it's been said locally on the radio. The lack of team speed. It was said to be like having to play in the red zone all game long, because defenses kept creeping up. I know MWTB isn't slow, but he's not world class speed either. I wonder if losing Benn didn't hurt Williams as the safeties could cheat to his side. Briscoe sure had a lot of space on that TD catch.

I agree the Bucs lack speed outside but I don't think Williams is slower this season than last. Freeman just looks afraid to throw it downfield and try to find Williams like he did last season. Freeman inevitably throws short or checks down on nearly every pass attempt. He's gotten it locked in his head that's the only way he can throw and I think that's been a big part of the problem this season. Regardless of what talent you have at WR, you have to at least try and take shots downfield to someone otherwise the DBs will creep up and sit on your routes. Freeman has made defenses' job much easier this season in my opinion.Not absolving Williams of his role in all this because he hasn't been as good as he was last season. But watching last night's game, I find it impossible to place the brunt of the blame for 0 catches and 0 targets on Williams when Freeman refused to even look his way on nearly every pass attempt.

 

[cubbie5150]

Any MWTB owners planning any panic moves today, double up to catchup type, save your season moves?Ya know, the high ceiling/low floor moves? I am benching Aaron Hernandez at my flex for Ced Benson.

Wish I could...I mean, I kinda have a choice between Hernandez/McGahee @ FLEX, but had always planned on Hernandez. I don't see McGahee as an upside guy today. My opponent also started Roddy/Austin/Dallas DST (has Rodgers/AJ Green amongst others going today); I just gotta hope my guys step up today (Brady/Greene/Beanie/Megatron).

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Freeman being unwilling to throw it farther than 10 yds is NOT a sign of development

He's recently missed time with a shoulder injury.Was it his throwing arm shoulder?

He's been unwilling to throw downfield since Week 1. Last season, he would try and hit Williams deep a few times every game. I can't recall a single deep ball to Williams all season. There's probably been one in there somewhere but since Week 1 Freeman has been unwilling to try and hit Williams deep. That was a big part of their offensive approach last season that hasn't been in place at all this season.

They said it on the broadcast, and it's been said locally on the radio. The lack of team speed. It was said to be like having to play in the red zone all game long, because defenses kept creeping up. I know MWTB isn't slow, but he's not world class speed either. I wonder if losing Benn didn't hurt Williams as the safeties could cheat to his side. Briscoe sure had a lot of space on that TD catch.

I agree the Bucs lack speed outside but I don't think Williams is slower this season than last. Freeman just looks afraid to throw it downfield and try to find Williams like he did last season. Freeman inevitably throws short or checks down on nearly every pass attempt. He's gotten it locked in his head that's the only way he can throw and I think that's been a big part of the problem this season. Regardless of what talent you have at WR, you have to at least try and take shots downfield to someone otherwise the DBs will creep up and sit on your routes. Freeman has made defenses' job much easier this season in my opinion.Not absolving Williams of his role in all this because he hasn't been as good as he was last season. But watching last night's game, I find it impossible to place the brunt of the blame for 0 catches and 0 targets on Williams when Freeman refused to even look his way on nearly every pass attempt.

Not to absolve Freeman of his poor play (yes, he does seem to have a mentality of conceding the deep play and gazing his eyes around the LOS. The really good QB's, the Brees, Brady, and Rodgers always have thier eyes 15 to 20 yards downfield. But it's hard to look downfield when he was hounded in the first half. His prize LT Donald Penn was getting beaten like a drum regularly, and the Cowboys forced him to run for his life and give up on the play before he could get set. And Penn and the O-Line protection was supposed to be a stregth. But D. Ware may have been the MVP of that game. Once they got up 28-0 at half, it was game over. You could see the Bucs got fired up temporarily in the second half and fought back if only for pride, but they couldn't sustain the intensity, and that Cowboy D-line dominated the O-line all night. Freeman's a good, not great QB. But having said that, I doubt that even an elite QB could do anything behind that shoddy protection.

 

[packersfan]

Not to absolve Freeman of his poor play (yes, he does seem to have a mentality of conceding the deep play and gazing his eyes around the LOS. The really good QB's, the Brees, Brady, and Rodgers always have thier eyes 15 to 20 yards downfield. But it's hard to look downfield when he was hounded in the first half. His prize LT Donald Penn was getting beaten like a drum regularly, and the Cowboys forced him to run for his life and give up on the play before he could get set. And Penn and the O-Line protection was supposed to be a stregth. But D. Ware may have been the MVP of that game. Once they got up 28-0 at half, it was game over. You could see the Bucs got fired up temporarily in the second half and fought back if only for pride, but they couldn't sustain the intensity, and that Cowboy D-line dominated the O-line all night. Freeman's a good, not great QB. But having said that, I doubt that even an elite QB could do anything behind that shoddy protection.

All good points but this wasn't just a one-game thing. This has been going on all season. There have been a few games where the Bucs used Williams in ways to free him up and he ended up doing quite well. How many times last night did Williams go in motion? I counted one. That's it. They just lined him up outside (sometimes in the slot) and Freeman turned and looked the other way nearly every time and his first inclination was almost always to throw short. Mayock even mentioned at one point how one of the WRs (can't remember which one, wasn't Williams) was open deep but Freeman threw short to Winslow instead. He never looked downfield. That's who Josh Freeman became this season and I think that's been a huge part of his regression and why Williams has been a fantasy bust and why he drove a stake in the heart of his fantasy owners last night.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Not to absolve Freeman of his poor play (yes, he does seem to have a mentality of conceding the deep play and gazing his eyes around the LOS. The really good QB's, the Brees, Brady, and Rodgers always have thier eyes 15 to 20 yards downfield. But it's hard to look downfield when he was hounded in the first half. His prize LT Donald Penn was getting beaten like a drum regularly, and the Cowboys forced him to run for his life and give up on the play before he could get set. And Penn and the O-Line protection was supposed to be a stregth. But D. Ware may have been the MVP of that game. Once they got up 28-0 at half, it was game over. You could see the Bucs got fired up temporarily in the second half and fought back if only for pride, but they couldn't sustain the intensity, and that Cowboy D-line dominated the O-line all night. Freeman's a good, not great QB. But having said that, I doubt that even an elite QB could do anything behind that shoddy protection.

All good points but this wasn't just a one-game thing. This has been going on all season. There have been a few games where the Bucs used Williams in ways to free him up and he ended up doing quite well. How many times last night did Williams go in motion? I counted one. That's it. They just lined him up outside (sometimes in the slot) and Freeman turned and looked the other way nearly every time and his first inclination was almost always to throw short. Mayock even mentioned at one point how one of the WRs (can't remember which one, wasn't Williams) was open deep but Freeman threw short to Winslow instead. He never looked downfield. That's who Josh Freeman became this season and I think that's been a huge part of his regression and why Williams has been a fantasy bust and why he drove a stake in the heart of his fantasy owners last night.

That's a great observation regarding lack of motion. I am also a Calvin Johnson owner. And while he's been disappointing lately, the defenses always keying on him, the Lions would always break him out in motion or Stafford would make quick almost lateral throws just to get it into Megatron's hands, and allow him to do his RAC ability. The Bucs don't modify their game plan to get Williams the ball, and that goes back to Raheem Morris's coaching. It's part of why he should be fired. Seriously, not because he screwed over fantasy owners like you and me. But because he observes a first half game plan that takes away his primary wide receiving threat, and does nothing schemewise to counter it. I like Freeman, but he's still young and lacks maturity. I think Williams is also not Mark Clayton part duex, but he's not as good as last year either. Depending on who the Bucs hire on as HC when the can Morris, they could be fantasy steals next year.

 

[packersfan]

Not to absolve Freeman of his poor play (yes, he does seem to have a mentality of conceding the deep play and gazing his eyes around the LOS. The really good QB's, the Brees, Brady, and Rodgers always have thier eyes 15 to 20 yards downfield. But it's hard to look downfield when he was hounded in the first half. His prize LT Donald Penn was getting beaten like a drum regularly, and the Cowboys forced him to run for his life and give up on the play before he could get set. And Penn and the O-Line protection was supposed to be a stregth. But D. Ware may have been the MVP of that game. Once they got up 28-0 at half, it was game over. You could see the Bucs got fired up temporarily in the second half and fought back if only for pride, but they couldn't sustain the intensity, and that Cowboy D-line dominated the O-line all night. Freeman's a good, not great QB. But having said that, I doubt that even an elite QB could do anything behind that shoddy protection.

All good points but this wasn't just a one-game thing. This has been going on all season. There have been a few games where the Bucs used Williams in ways to free him up and he ended up doing quite well. How many times last night did Williams go in motion? I counted one. That's it. They just lined him up outside (sometimes in the slot) and Freeman turned and looked the other way nearly every time and his first inclination was almost always to throw short. Mayock even mentioned at one point how one of the WRs (can't remember which one, wasn't Williams) was open deep but Freeman threw short to Winslow instead. He never looked downfield. That's who Josh Freeman became this season and I think that's been a huge part of his regression and why Williams has been a fantasy bust and why he drove a stake in the heart of his fantasy owners last night.

That's a great observation regarding lack of motion. I am also a Calvin Johnson owner. And while he's been disappointing lately, the defenses always keying on him, the Lions would always break him out in motion or Stafford would make quick almost lateral throws just to get it into Megatron's hands, and allow him to do his RAC ability. The Bucs don't modify their game plan to get Williams the ball, and that goes back to Raheem Morris's coaching.

I agree. The Cardinals finally started moving Fitzgerald around last week and we saw what happened - even with Skelton at QB. I'm not saying Williams is as talented as Johnson and Fitzgerald because he's not. However, he is the team's best WR and one would think you'd want to try and get him the ball. That means coming up with ways to get him free in space. The Bucs have generally done none of that this season and they definitely didn't do it last night. As frustrated as I am staring at that flipping zero next to Williams on my roster for Week 15 I honestly can't blame him for it. The Bucs did nothing to get him the ball and Freeman appeared completely disinterested in even trying to get him the ball. As I said earlier, there was absolutely no way to see this coming either based on the number of targets Williams has gotten and his respectable WR3 level of production in PPR leagues for the better part of two months now.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

As frustrated as I am staring at that flipping zero next to Williams on my roster for Week 15 I honestly can't blame him for it. The Bucs did nothing to get him the ball and Freeman appeared completely disinterested in even trying to get him the ball. As I said earlier, there was absolutely no way to see this coming either based on the number of targets Williams has gotten and his respectable WR3 level of production in PPR leagues for the better part of two months now.

At least you have a lot of company. We all saw the production. Yeah he had a down week last week, it happens, but he's been a good WR3 for most of the season. I don't think anyone saw a zero target game coming. At the very least, you'd think you would get the garbage time stats. I actually thought the Bucs would surprise the Cowboys and that this might be a trap game where they actually could have lost. The Cowboys secondary hasn't been very good all season, and you'd figure it would be a shootout. I thought the worst he'd do is get me 4/40/0. You don't plan on one of your fantasy starters in the playoffs to get you a zero. That damn '0' stares me in the face too. Now, I went from favored to underdog, and when a high risk/reward player like Cobb or Desean goes off on my bench, I'm gonna be

 

[Instinctive]

I don’t think that the data highlighted means what you think it does. You make a point to show the catch %, and then you veer away from that. There is no correlation with successful receivers long term and busts that follows the catch % argument. So, at this point the speed receivers are separated from the big bodied possession types. I don’t understand why, but I’m willing to follow where you are going. Even when you do this, the data does not enlighten us further. Speed vs Possession receivers, it's all the same. For that matter, where do you get that Williams is a “TD receiver”. Does that mean a possession type, move the chains receiver? He’s not a burner, but he isn’t slow either, running a 4.5. What exactly turns you off to Williams? Is it his terrific body control and superior athleticism? He’s 23, coming off a great rookie year, the incumbent #1 WR of an up and coming superstar QB in Josh Freeman. He’s only scratched the surface. What other than fuzzy numbers do you have that would make anyone feel pessimistic about Mike Williams Tampa? If you think he’s Michael Clayton II, then you’d be wrong. Clayton got paid and went into the tank. Williams is still awaiting his first big payday. This kid passes the “eyeball” test, and I said that during preseason last year. No way that he is “overvalued”.

Great analysis. OP was way off on his ability to actually catch the ball having any predictive value. Wasn't he about a 2nd/3rd round dynasty startup pick last year? I'd say that was overvalued, no?

 

[Instinctive]

I feel the same way about Mike Williams right now that I felt about Hakeem Nicks this time last year. Stud in the making.I have no numbers to back this feeling up. I think video is all you need.I think Freeman, Williams, and Blount all progress this year and I also think Raheem Morris is doing a fantastic job in Tampa.

oof.Maybe next year they'll all be undervalued now?

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

I feel the same way about Mike Williams right now that I felt about Hakeem Nicks this time last year. Stud in the making.I have no numbers to back this feeling up. I think video is all you need.I think Freeman, Williams, and Blount all progress this year and I also think Raheem Morris is doing a fantastic job in Tampa.

oof.Maybe next year they'll all be undervalued now?

LOL

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

I Think Williams is a solid receiver but im not sure his future is a perennial WR1. My prediction is by the end of this year him and Benn are both vying for the Number 1 spot. I see the same type of year he had last year with less tds.

Do you have any logical reasoning behind this thinking, other than the fact that Benn is on your fantasy team?Mike Williams severely outplayed Benn in camp in 2010, he outplayed him during the 2010 season when Benn was healthy, and now Benn is missing priceless reps because of the lockout.

I see no signs that Arrelious Benn will challenge Mike Williams for anything in 2011. Benn's main competition is going to be Dezmon Briscoe, who the Bucs really like, and who will likely challenge for the starting spot opposite MW.

Yes, I do have logical reasoning behind this. I realize its crazy to you, but I made my own decision without listening to anyone else. I watched every target Benn had last year and he played fantastic when he was in there. It was made very clear last year that people were going to have to wait on Benn, How long they are going to have to wait, I'm not sure. I honestly have nothing against Williams, I think hes a solid player. I think Benn is going to be a better player, its as clear as that.

That's fair enough. I just tend to raise an eyebrow when I see someone making predictions like:

My prediction is by the end of this year him and Benn are both vying for the Number 1 spot.

Especially when they have that particular player on their team. No offense to you.Benn had 38 targets in 15 games. Williams had 128 in 16. Why do you think that was the case? Williams outplayed Benn in mini camps, OTAs, training camp, practice, and then on Sundays. The writing was on the wall who the better player was before the 2010 season. When these players were drafted, do you think the coaches for Tampa had decided beforehand who their #1 WR was going to be? I don't. They put them on the field to compete. The best man won. MW earned his spot by outplaying Benn in every facet of the WR position.

Mike Williams has first round, #1 WR talent. He put it on display in 2010. The only reason he fell to the 4th round was because of character concerns. The Bucs stole him at that spot.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a Buc fan, and I want both of these players to be successful. I think it's obvious that Benn will be a good player, but I don't think it's going to come at the expense of Mike Williams, or that Benn will surpass him as the #1 option in the passing game for the Bucs.

Arrelious Benn for president in 2012!!

 

[Steed]

Benn can't even take the job from dez briscoe.

 

[finito]

Benn was also coming back from an ACL tear. Next year will be key for him to see if he develops.

 

[Eastwood]

Benn has a lot of talent, and looked good from my seat on the couch. Like previous posted said, he was coming back from an ACL tear, I think he's a great sleeper for next year.