TE 4-6: fool’s gold or league winners? (2 Viewers)

[Helaire-ious]

Another late target for y'all:

“The Athletic's Stephen Holder expects Kylen Granson to be a "featured pass-catching tight end."

Granson is a fourth-round rookie, and as such he in unlikely to have a major role in the offense. Holder notes however, that Jack Doyle and Mo Alie-Cox may have "significant blocking responsibilities--especially with left tackle Eric Fisher on the mend from an Achilles injury." He also notes that the rookie has already been heavily involved in training camp. Granson's potential role in the offense has been compared to Trey Burton's 2020 role, which came with a 34% snap share. The continued drumbeat on Granson makes him a very intriguing dynasty target. In 2021 though, Colts split snaps and blocking commitments will likely limit all three tight ends to bye week fill-in options and cheap DFS punt plays.”

I grabbed him late in my rookie draft - the buzz has been growing. Not a bad lottery ticket.  

Another beat writer trying to get clicks?

We all know TEs are slow to develop. I don't buy this at all

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Another beat writer trying to get clicks?

We all know TEs are slow to develop. I don't buy this at all

Be that as it may, the buzz has been building since late May when my dynasty league drafted. He's reportedly been the best receiving TE in camp. 

I'm buying it a little. Enough smoke and there might be a bit of fire. 

Don't know what that will translate to for FF, but if he's the primary receiving TE, it makes a shallow TE pool a little deeper. 

Your results may vary - I'm just the messenger. 

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

Logan Thomas will be a top 3 FPC TE

That is all.

 

[Blackbear]

Logan Thomas will be a top 3 FPC TE

That is all.

Thought about him too. Good pick. I like Tonyan. Given his efficiency and red zone opps. 

 

[Helaire-ious]

Be that as it may, the buzz has been building since late May when my dynasty league drafted. He's reportedly been the best receiving TE in camp. 

I'm buying it a little. Enough smoke and there might be a bit of fire. 

Don't know what that will translate to for FF, but if he's the primary receiving TE, it makes a shallow TE pool a little deeper. 

Your results may vary - I'm just the messenger. 

I still say over hyped right now. I'll hold Pringle vs picking up Granson as of now

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I still say over hyped right now. I'll hold Pringle vs picking up Granson as of now

I have both

(roster cloggers)

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

You can throw Irv Smith and maybe even Jonnu Smith into that conversation as well.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

None of us are psychic - we do the best with what we got.  
 

:sad trombone:

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I took Pitts 5.01 yesterday.  Shoot for the stars. At least I finally know what I’m doing at TE this year.  

 

[Weebs210]

I took Pitts 5.01 yesterday.  Shoot for the stars. At least I finally know what I’m doing at TE this year.  

5.2 for me. Hoping to do the same in my other two leagues. 

 

[TripItUp]

yes, the other TEs gain some value with Irv Smith going down...if Logan Thomas went down I'd be seriously considering the 4-6 range....still not there yet.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

5.2 for me. Hoping to do the same in my other two leagues. 

Go us! 
 

 

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

I'm still circling around a strategy in all of my mocks. I feel like if I could get Hock or Andrews in the 5th/6th I'd probably be willing to do it, but I'm not sure they'll last that long. And I don't feel all that great about either of them.

Failing that, I'll probably wait and go for Thomas, Fant, Henry, Engram (depending on tonight's injury) and maybe a late-round flier on Juwan Johnson.

 

[Teezee]

I like Fant jumping into the Top 5 this year and Jonnu Smith obliterating the adp

 

[YoungDro]

Pitts is no fool's gold, he's a league winner.  Atlanta threw to him once tonight in the preseason game, they use presnap motion and got him a look in the open field, he rumbled for 27 yards.  

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Pitts is no fool's gold, he's a league winner.  Atlanta threw to him once tonight in the preseason game, they use presnap motion and got him a look in the open field, he rumbled for 27 yards.  

Shook off arm tackles the whole way. 

And yeah, pre-snap motion out wide, just like everyone has said all preseason.  Who coulda seen that coming? lol

 

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I took Pitts 5.01 yesterday.  Shoot for the stars. At least I finally know what I’m doing at TE this year.  

He fell to 6.05 in a 10 teamer today (pick 55) and had to grab him. Backed him with Higbee later on as insurance, but I have gone from thinking bust on Pitts to thinking he's got a shot at TE1 (odds of finish in top 5 feels good) 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

but I have gone from thinking bust on Pitts to thinking he's got a shot at TE1 (odds of finish in top 5 feels good) 

been feeling this for a while. I won’t jinx it, but barring injury, I do believe he’ll justify his 5th round investment. 

 

[VikingFrog]

Go us! 
 

 

I drafted Hockenson at 5.2 and Pitts went 5.3 to my sworn fantasy enemy.

Almost wish I would have swerved and gone the other way with Pitts. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I drafted Hockenson at 5.2 and Pitts went 5.3 to my sworn fantasy enemy.

Almost wish I would have swerved and gone the other way with Pitts. 

I think you’ll do just fine with Hockenson.

Still - to keep him from a sworn FF enemy…that real right there. I, too, have a FF nemesis. He’s in both my leagues, but I’m a 3rd league we were in he beat me in 3 LCG’s. 

 

[Scooby1974]

Is there an estimate as to when Irv Smith might be back? I snagged Waller, but need a TE backup. From what I have read, Irv has been looking really good. He's on the FA list right now and I don't want to wait too long and miss him.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I drafted Hockenson at 5.2 and Pitts went 5.3 to my sworn fantasy enemy.

Almost wish I would have swerved and gone the other way with Pitts. 

My arch enemy won his 4th league title last year, first since 2011- I've been stuck on 3 since 2015 (both have had unfortunate results in playoffs often since)

He took Pitts 5.06 & I got Hock at 5.07

I'm good with that - had no intention of taking Pitts unless 5 TEs were off the board

I actually didn't notice who he took for a few minutes bc I had TJ queued up and hit smash as soon as his pick went in

LFG

 

[greenmountaingoat]

Bummed out about the Irv news, he had turned into my binkie this past week.

I continue to feel like if any of these 3 are there for me late 5th, I'm pouncing. Logan Thomas is even looking interesting but I'll have to resist that urge at 6.02 and hope he drops (super doubtful).

 

[Scooby1974]

Bummed out about the Irv news, he had turned into my binkie this past week.

I continue to feel like if any of these 3 are there for me late 5th, I'm pouncing. Logan Thomas is even looking interesting but I'll have to resist that urge at 6.02 and hope he drops (super doubtful).

The report on Irv is that he could miss the start of the season. So should we expect him back by say, week 3? 4? If so, he may be worth stashing, correct?

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

The report on Irv is that he could miss the start of the season. So should we expect him back by say, week 3? 4? If so, he may be worth stashing, correct?

I guess if you have enough bench, but IMO it's pretty much never worth stashing a TE. Ask all the Chris Herndon truthers how well that strategy worked out.

 

[greenmountaingoat]

Stashing an injured guy you hoped would be the TE9 seems like a waste of a pick. 

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

yes, the other TEs gain some value with Irv Smith going down...if Logan Thomas went down I'd be seriously considering the 4-6 range....still not there yet.

Seems like the polar opposite of a Hockenson/Mark Andrews situation in Washington; a lot of mouths to feed.  Have my 3rd and final draft tomorrow and am strongly considering taking your approach and grabbing a Fant/Jonnu but I am also strongly considering reaching for Kyle Pitts based on one play yesterday.  F***'n Fantasy Football... isn't it great.

Side note: I have yet to see Kyle Pitts free fall in a draft.  Would take him end of 5th beginning of 6th; though I don't blame guys like @Hot Sauce Guy for taking him early in the 5th.  

 

[Scooby1974]

Stashing an injured guy you hoped would be the TE9 seems like a waste of a pick. 

Fair enough. Except that there seemed to be a lot of buzz around Irv after ending the season strong and the ousting of Rudolph opening up more ground for him to run. I'd hope for higher than TE9 in a solid Minny O with Irv getting some good Red Zone looks. I will stand pat for now. Thanks, All!

 

[BobbyLayne]

Seems like the polar opposite of a Hockenson / Mark Andrews situation in Washington; a lot of mouths to feed. 

Another thing to ponder is Logan Thomas' alignment usage last year:

• Right Slot 324
  
• Right Tight 316
  
• Left Slot 167
  
• Left Tight 163
  
• Backfield 15
  
• Right Outside 11
  
• Left Outside 9
  

Simplified - Slot 491, Tight 489, Boundary 20, Backfield 15.

He accumulated 118.5 ppr points from the slot, 47.0 lined up TE, 7.5 outside and 2.0 from RB.

Samuels of course was the slot in Carolina (444 snaps) last year.

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

@BobbyLayne good stats for sure, but I just feel like the entire make-up of that offense has changed.  

I just can't remember a season where Fitzpatrick has had jaw dropping production to his TE's.  I think the path is much clearer for Andrews and Hockenson to get 72 receptions than it is for Logan Thomas to replicate last season's production.  

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Side note: I have yet to see Kyle Pitts free fall in a draft.  Would take him end of 5th beginning of 6th; though I don't blame guys like @Hot Sauce Guy for taking him early in the 5th.  

5.01 - 22 picks between. If I was taking a premier TE, I had to do it there. The turns can be tough that way. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

@BobbyLayne good stats for sure, but I just feel like the entire make-up of that offense has changed.  

I just can't remember a season where Fitzpatrick has had jaw dropping production to his TE's.  I think the path is much clearer for Andrews and Hockenson to get 72 receptions than it is for Logan Thomas to replicate last season's production.  

He’s pretty notorious for ignoring the TE, historically. However I recent read that he (at the encouragement of his OC) is making it a new point of emphasis because Thomas is more like a huge WR. 

I am still on the Thomas train & if we didn’t have a WFT fan in my league I would have passed in the 5th & grabbed Thomas later (but he went 6.10, to the WFT fan, after the run on 4-6) 

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

5.01 - 22 picks between. If I was taking a premier TE, I had to do it there. The turns can be tough that way. 

Very true!  I have wanted to take Pitts, but I just don't have the balls for it.  I have never seen a jaw-dropping player be so polarizing in fantasy circles.  That 2 yard reception from Franks yesterday that he turned into a 25+ yard gain is pretty much what I expect from him multiple times a game.  That coupled with his large stature in the endzone, may be why I target him in tomorrow's draft.  

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Very true!  I have wanted to take Pitts, but I just don't have the balls for it.  I have never seen a jaw-dropping player be so polarizing in fantasy circles.  That 2 yard reception from Franks yesterday that he turned into a 25+ yard gain is pretty much what I expect from him multiple times a game.  That coupled with his large stature in the endzone, may be why I target him in tomorrow's draft.  

That 1 play might have bumped his ADP a round. lol

and yeah - it was a thing of beauty. The defense kinda lost track of him in pre-snap motion, and he tumbled 27 yards, breaking a couple tackles along the way. 

He’s basically their WR2, and will be a nightmare matching up against DBs or LBs. He also runs a 4.44 40, so there’ll probably be more than a couple deep routes as well. 

It was only one play. But damn he looked good on that one play.  And I don’t think it was an accident that he was the 1st target of the game. More like a statement. 

 

[BobbyLayne]

I just can't remember a season where


Fitzpatrick


has had jaw dropping production to his TE's.

To be fair he's often never had a talented TE. When he has (twice) they've done well. The rest of the time it's a bunch of no name stiffs + TB leaving them in to block.

Ben Utecht, Shawn Nelson, David Martin, David Nelson, ScottChandler, TJ Graham in Buffalo.

Dealnie Walker in Tennesse, first year after escaping SF - breakout season (TE12), blew up the next year (4 straigh top 10.)

Garrett Graham, Jeff Cumberland, Brandon Bostick, ASJ post flameout.

Last four seasons were a couple years each of Howard/ Brate and Gelsicki. 

He clicked well with Walker and Gelsicki. Tampa Bay, that was more a scheme thing holding back both guys than Fitz ignoring them.

The rest of those clowns didn't get targets bc they didn't earn them.

 

[greenmountaingoat]

Fair enough. Except that there seemed to be a lot of buzz around Irv after ending the season strong and the ousting of Rudolph opening up more ground for him to run. I'd hope for higher than TE9 in a solid Minny O with Irv getting some good Red Zone looks. I will stand pat for now. Thanks, All!

The report I'm reading says he'll miss "at least week 1" could be returning for week 2 but no timetable given yet. I'm wavering on my stance a bit, guess it depends on how hard you punted the position

If you drafted Everett/ Kmet/ Firkser as your TE1, go get you some Irv

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

That 1 play might have bumped his ADP a round. lol

and yeah - it was a thing of beauty. The defense kinda lost track of him in pre-snap motion, and he tumbled 27 yards, breaking a couple tackles along the way. 

He’s basically their WR2, and will be a nightmare matching up against DBs or LBs. He also runs a 4.44 40, so there’ll probably be more than a couple deep routes as well. 

It was only one play. But damn he looked good on that one play.  And I don’t think it was an accident that he was the 1st target of the game. More like a statement. 

Ameer Abdullah says

(And yes, I know Pitts has more potential than AA could ever have hoped for. But that play definitely gave me flashbacks to the last time people lost their mind over a single preseason run.)

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Ameer Abdullah says

(And yes, I know Pitts has more potential than AA could ever have hoped for. But that play definitely gave me flashbacks to the last time people lost their mind over a single preseason run.)

I laughed.   I remember that well. He jumped like 3 rounds in ADP that year. 

As for Pitts, the fact that it was his *only* preseason appearance and the *only* target/catch is probably a little different than AA.

And as I said, I don’t think it was a coincidence that they went to him on the 1st offensive snap.

The cut to Arthur Blank knowingly smirking in the booth said it all. 

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

We Definitely disagree here.  I think there’s maybe a 30% probability Smith outscores Hockenson. 

You didn't want to run back your comments after posting to the Pro-Pitts crowd.  Higbee, Logan Thomas and Irv Smith didnt combine for Hockenson's output.  Remember, the Lions offense is a dumpster fire and nobody is worthy of rostering in Fantasy?  Hockenson's numbers against a tough SF defense look pretty promising