Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
It's not my fault you don't know your guys names...
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TE Dan Gronkowski Traded to Denver (1 Viewer)
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It's not my fault you don't know your guys names...
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
Just another in the long line of horrible moves by McDaniels.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Didn't the Bears just cut their top 2 draft picks from last year?
thecardiackid
Footballguy
This.Not to mention moving up to pick the "blocking" TE. Dude has been digging a very big hole.
destro
Footballguy
To make matters worse, it's hard not to notice that he traded Scheffler, a perfectly fine receiving TE, for a 5th rounder. Is there anyone out there who would not rather have Scheffler over the elder Gronkowski?
Really, we can break this down as follows:
Denver's 2010 1st rounder (14th overall) and Tony Scheffler
for
Dan Gronkowski and a 5th rounder
I would add in the fact that they traded up into the second round to draft Richard Quinn, a blocking TE who has yet to earn serious PT, but the resulting cost/benefit analysis would be too gross for me to stomach.
Keep up the good work, Josh.
Really, we can break this down as follows:
Denver's 2010 1st rounder (14th overall) and Tony Scheffler
for
Dan Gronkowski and a 5th rounder
I would add in the fact that they traded up into the second round to draft Richard Quinn, a blocking TE who has yet to earn serious PT, but the resulting cost/benefit analysis would be too gross for me to stomach.
Keep up the good work, Josh.
Max Power
Footballguy
no one here is saying Jerry Angelo is any good either. Guy is probably on his way out if the Bears miss the playoffs.
The Jacket
Footballguy
McDaniels is just awful. He's the type of coach who would drive me away from my team until the owner sacks up and fires him.
I know they had a fluke half-season last year (before collapsing and looking like one of the worst 2 or 3 teams in the league), but the consistency of beyond terrible personnel moves they're making will catch up with them.
They also cut a guy yesterday to whom they gave a 4-year, $20M contract in March. :(
I know they had a fluke half-season last year (before collapsing and looking like one of the worst 2 or 3 teams in the league), but the consistency of beyond terrible personnel moves they're making will catch up with them.
They also cut a guy yesterday to whom they gave a 4-year, $20M contract in March. :(
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benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
Are you really trying to do this Sho Nuff??Trade away CutlerTrade away MarshallTrade a first rounder for a second round pick than trade that player for a TEDraft Tim Tebow in the firstLets look at TE moves:Trade Tony SchefflerDraft a 2nd round TE that is a blockerTrade a player you gave up a 1st to obtain for another TE
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Not saying he is great either. Just a funny little jab.But they did all that and ended up 8-8 with Kyle Orton at QB.Now, with their injuries in the backfield, the poor moves, and Dumervil, they will likely be worse this year.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
I'll remember the jab for no reason.But only two of the above moves happened before last season...and they finished 8-8 b/c of defense and a lucky tipped ball...not Kyle Orton.
moleculo
Footballguy
threads like this will make my LAUGH in November.
I did not like the drafting of Alphonso last year. I think that was a result of an inexperienced, largely unprepared coach and front office. Just because a 1st round talent slips into the second round does not mean you have to get him...I think McD got a little excited in pulling the trigger.
That being said, I appreciate that McD has the balls to call a loss a loss and move on. When he sees that someone isn't as good as they had hoped, I'm glad that they don't keep him around to justify the selection. I'm even happier that McD was able to get something instead of simply cutting him.
Alphonso wasn't cutting it last year and the had to bring in Ty Law. He was never the special teams ace he was supposed to be, and he certainly wasn't the ball-hawking playmaker his bio claims. He was passed on the depth chart this bear by rookies Perrish Cox and Sid-Quan Thompson (both drafted by the McD regine), who have played very well this pre-season, and Cassius Vaughn, who has been a phenomenal in punt coverage (gunner). DB is/was a position of depth for Denver this training camp, Alphonso was odd-man out.
On the TE situation - clearly there was a locker room issue w/ Scheffler. He was a healthy inactive in week 17 vs KC, they say he had given up on the season in the middle of the playoff hunt. Scheff was a cutler nuthugger, and was pretty much on his way out as soon as cutler cried his way out of town. Getting another TE in the mix became necessary when Marquez Branson (TE prospect Denver had had stashed on PS all last year) jacked up his knee last week.
Here's an article discussing the need to bring in another TE (and DB depth) published a few days ago.
Bottom line - alphonso was a bad pick. Every team makes bad picks. The sooner you can acknowledge you made a bad pick and can move on, the better of you will be in the long run.
I did not like the drafting of Alphonso last year. I think that was a result of an inexperienced, largely unprepared coach and front office. Just because a 1st round talent slips into the second round does not mean you have to get him...I think McD got a little excited in pulling the trigger.
That being said, I appreciate that McD has the balls to call a loss a loss and move on. When he sees that someone isn't as good as they had hoped, I'm glad that they don't keep him around to justify the selection. I'm even happier that McD was able to get something instead of simply cutting him.
Alphonso wasn't cutting it last year and the had to bring in Ty Law. He was never the special teams ace he was supposed to be, and he certainly wasn't the ball-hawking playmaker his bio claims. He was passed on the depth chart this bear by rookies Perrish Cox and Sid-Quan Thompson (both drafted by the McD regine), who have played very well this pre-season, and Cassius Vaughn, who has been a phenomenal in punt coverage (gunner). DB is/was a position of depth for Denver this training camp, Alphonso was odd-man out.
On the TE situation - clearly there was a locker room issue w/ Scheffler. He was a healthy inactive in week 17 vs KC, they say he had given up on the season in the middle of the playoff hunt. Scheff was a cutler nuthugger, and was pretty much on his way out as soon as cutler cried his way out of town. Getting another TE in the mix became necessary when Marquez Branson (TE prospect Denver had had stashed on PS all last year) jacked up his knee last week.
Here's an article discussing the need to bring in another TE (and DB depth) published a few days ago.
Bottom line - alphonso was a bad pick. Every team makes bad picks. The sooner you can acknowledge you made a bad pick and can move on, the better of you will be in the long run.
destro
Footballguy
He should never have been considered a 1st round talent. He was generously listed as 5'9", way too short for an NFL CB, and he had below average speed. I don't care how great some people said his "ball hawk" skills were, he didn't have the physical size or abilities to be a starting CB in the NFL.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Because the defense played out of their minds for the first half of the season.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I wouldn't say you really got much for him, the Lions were planning on cutting Gronkowski anyway.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
Considering he was the 3rd coach on staff to leave after one year and "they decided to part ways" is different form getting fired.http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4837350
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
destro said:
With the exception of Ayers and Moreno and to a lesser degree McBath (and the jury is out on all of them) McDaniels 2009 draft has to be deemed a D- and if the aforementioned do not pan out it is a solid F-.With the number of picks they has last year and the fact 3-4 of them are not with the squad. Smith, Olsen, Brandstater, (and McKinley would have not made the active roster were he not on IR)...it shows just how poor it was. I mean a blind man pointing to a group of names on a piece of paper would've gotten luckier than McDaniels.And now that the smoke clears, we have two TEs that have a combined 2 catches TOTAL in their NFL careers. Just great. 
