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[ghostguy123]

The updates keep getting a little worse

ESPN's Ed Werder reported on SportsCenter Monday that the Patriots legitimately do not know when Rob Gronkowski will return from back surgery.
"The fact is the Patriots really don't know when he's gonna come back," Werder stated. The Pats will have a better feel once Gronk's back operation is performed Tuesday, but Werder reports Bill Belichick has prepared "many contingencies," and noted New England is currently carrying a league-high seven tight ends on its 90-man roster. Gronkowski will open camp on the PUP list, and we suspect he may stay there into the regular season.

IMO, the updates are now shifting to what the initial reports seemed to indicate all along. It's just that some media outlets were painting a rosier story then the reality seemed to indicate. I don't think anything you posted would be considered new news (or unexpected).

Concur, this isn't news.

This like when the weatherman forecasts snow. You know it's coming, so why does it change anything when it actually comes??

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Bump for news...

I guess it's a small plus that the back surgery confirms that the infection in his arm has been defeated.

 

[greggorymac]

Does anybody know the NFL deadline to declare players that will enter the season on the PUP list (i.e. miss the first 6 games)? I'm curious to when this info is public to see when it coincides with fantasy draft dates. Thanks.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Does anybody know the NFL deadline to declare players that will enter the season on the PUP list (i.e. miss the first 6 games)? I'm curious to when this info is public to see when it coincides with fantasy draft dates. Thanks.

Pretty sure it's not until right before the season starts.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Profootballtalk reports "it is believed" Rob Gronkowski's Tuesday back operation went well.
We wouldn't expect anything else, but it would be unwise to take anything related to Gronk's health for granted. Set to open camp on the active/PUP list, Gronk's Week 1 status is hazy, at best. It would be an upset if he didn't miss regular season games. He's not going to play in the preseason.


Source: Profootballtalk on NBCSports.com

 

[Faust]

Does anybody know the NFL deadline to declare players that will enter the season on the PUP list (i.e. miss the first 6 games)? I'm curious to when this info is public to see when it coincides with fantasy draft dates. Thanks.

Pretty sure it's not until right before the season starts.

New NFL Injured/Reserve (IR) Rule

New NFL Injured/Reserve (IR) RuleBy Chris Pichereau, Abshier House Publishing

The National Football League’s (NFL) injured reserve (IR) rules have been modified for the 2012 season. The rule now allows one player per team to be activated from the IR list. In addition, the sport’s trade deadline has been pushed back.

Earlier, the sport’s franchise owners approved the rules; however, they were waiting for ratification by the NFL Players Association. The union approved the rule on August 30, 2012. As a consequence, each team had to reduce its roster to 53 players by 9 p.m. on Friday, August 31, 2012.

Before the enactment of this new rule, any player that was placed on the IR list was not eligible to play again for the same team in that season. With the new rule, each team is allowed to activate one player per season from the IR list.

The trade deadline has been moved until after the eighth week of the playing season. Previously, the trade deadline was after the season’s sixth weekend of games.

IR list rules summaryFollowing are the main points regarding the new IR list rule changes:

• Only players with a “major injury” who are placed on the IR list after 4 p.m. EST on Tuesday, September 4, 2012, or during the season are eligible to be reactivated later in the season.
  
• A major injury is described as an injury that renders the player unable to practice or play football for at least six weeks — or 42 calendar days — from the date of injury.
  
• A player who is placed on the IR list after 4 p.m. EST on Tuesday, September 4, 2012, must be immediately “designated for return” at the time he is placed on the list. That designation must appear on that day’s Personnel Notice.
  
• That designated player is eligible to return to practice if he has been on the IR list for at least six weeks from the date he was placed on Reserve. He is eligible to return to the active list if has been on the IR list for at least eight weeks from the date he is placed on Reserve.
  

Roster rules summaryIn addition to the IR list, NFL teams use other mechanisms to manage their roster play list. A summary of those rules follows:

• Physically Unable to Perform (PUP) — Players listed on the PUP’s regular season list are eligible to play after week 6, at which point they can begin practicing with the team.
  
  The team has a three-week window to either activate the player or send him to the injured reserve list. A player can be placed on the PUP list only if he has been on the preseason PUP list and has not been practicing with the team.
  
• Waived/Injured — Teams are able to waive an injured player. Other teams can claim any player on the Waived/Injured list. If players clear their waivers, which most players do, their original team can either put them on the IR list or come to an injury settlement agreement and part ways.
  
• Reserve/Non-Football Injury List — The rules for this list are the same as the PUP list; however, the injuries come from something other than playing football.
  
• Practice Squad — Beginning on September 1, 2012, teams are able to complete an eight-man practice squad. For a team member to be eligible for this squad, the player must not have accrued a season of free agent eligibility.
  
  Eligibility for this squad is limited to players who do not have an accrued NFL season or were on an active 53-man roster list for less than nine games during their only accrued season. Players who have served two seasons on a practice squad are eligible for a third season if the team has at least 53 players on its active/inactive list for the duration of the player’s employment.
  

 

[ghostguy123]

Does anybody know the NFL deadline to declare players that will enter the season on the PUP list (i.e. miss the first 6 games)? I'm curious to when this info is public to see when it coincides with fantasy draft dates. Thanks.

Pretty sure it's not until right before the season starts.

If you are drafting, it would be wise to assume he will be on PUP and miss 6 games.

I still only barely knock a little value off for dynasty.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Surgery on Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski’s back has concluded, a source told PFT’s Mike Florio on Tuesday.It is believed the surgery, conducted Tuesday, was successful, the source told PFT.

 

[Faust]

More from Rotoworld:

ESPN's Adam Schefter confirmed on NFL Live that Rob Gronkowski (back surgery) will open training camp on the active/PUP list.
"I think the one thing that does seem certain at this time is, he is expected to open training camp on the Physically Unable to Perform list," stated Schefter. Schefter added that the Patriots anticipated Gronk needing back surgery all offseason, but the procedure was repeatedly delayed due to his four forearm procedures. Because Gronkowski will open camp on PUP, he'll be a candidate to open the regular season on the reserve/PUP list, costing him six games.

 

[greggorymac]

Does anybody know the NFL deadline to declare players that will enter the season on the PUP list (i.e. miss the first 6 games)? I'm curious to when this info is public to see when it coincides with fantasy draft dates. Thanks.

Pretty sure it's not until right before the season starts.

New NFL Injured/Reserve (IR) Rule

New NFL Injured/Reserve (IR) RuleBy Chris Pichereau, Abshier House Publishing

The National Football League’s (NFL) injured reserve (IR) rules have been modified for the 2012 season. The rule now allows one player per team to be activated from the IR list. In addition, the sport’s trade deadline has been pushed back.

Earlier, the sport’s franchise owners approved the rules; however, they were waiting for ratification by the NFL Players Association. The union approved the rule on August 30, 2012. As a consequence, each team had to reduce its roster to 53 players by 9 p.m. on Friday, August 31, 2012.

Before the enactment of this new rule, any player that was placed on the IR list was not eligible to play again for the same team in that season. With the new rule, each team is allowed to activate one player per season from the IR list.

The trade deadline has been moved until after the eighth week of the playing season. Previously, the trade deadline was after the season’s sixth weekend of games.

IR list rules summaryFollowing are the main points regarding the new IR list rule changes:

• Only players with a “major injury” who are placed on the IR list after 4 p.m. EST on Tuesday, September 4, 2012, or during the season are eligible to be reactivated later in the season.
  
• A major injury is described as an injury that renders the player unable to practice or play football for at least six weeks — or 42 calendar days — from the date of injury.
  
• A player who is placed on the IR list after 4 p.m. EST on Tuesday, September 4, 2012, must be immediately “designated for return” at the time he is placed on the list. That designation must appear on that day’s Personnel Notice.
  
• That designated player is eligible to return to practice if he has been on the IR list for at least six weeks from the date he was placed on Reserve. He is eligible to return to the active list if has been on the IR list for at least eight weeks from the date he is placed on Reserve.
  

Roster rules summaryIn addition to the IR list, NFL teams use other mechanisms to manage their roster play list. A summary of those rules follows:

• Physically Unable to Perform (PUP) — Players listed on the PUP’s regular season list are eligible to play after week 6, at which point they can begin practicing with the team.
  
  The team has a three-week window to either activate the player or send him to the injured reserve list. A player can be placed on the PUP list only if he has been on the preseason PUP list and has not been practicing with the team.
  
• Waived/Injured — Teams are able to waive an injured player. Other teams can claim any player on the Waived/Injured list. If players clear their waivers, which most players do, their original team can either put them on the IR list or come to an injury settlement agreement and part ways.
  
• Reserve/Non-Football Injury List — The rules for this list are the same as the PUP list; however, the injuries come from something other than playing football.
  
• Practice Squad — Beginning on September 1, 2012, teams are able to complete an eight-man practice squad. For a team member to be eligible for this squad, the player must not have accrued a season of free agent eligibility.
  
  Eligibility for this squad is limited to players who do not have an accrued NFL season or were on an active 53-man roster list for less than nine games during their only accrued season. Players who have served two seasons on a practice squad are eligible for a third season if the team has at least 53 players on its active/inactive list for the duration of the player’s employment.
  

So Friday Aug 31st is the deadline?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

New England Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski underwent surgery on his back Tuesday to correct a spinal issue and will soon begin rehab in the hope of returning to action in late August, a person informed of the prognosis told USA TODAY Sports.
The person, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the Patriots don't divulge injury information publicly, said the optimistic view is that Gronkowski will be back to work just before the end of the preseason.

The problem is Gronkowski has been inactive since the Patriots were eliminated from the postseason in late January, first because of a nagging arm infection related to his broken foream and now because of his back surgery to correct a problem that's been nagging him since last season.

In other words, by no means is Gronwkowski expected to be in top form leading up to Week 1. How long he's sidelined remains to be seen.

Gronkowski will surely begin training camp on the physically-unable-to-perform list. He's eligible to come off at any point, though if he remains on PUP come Week 1, he can't even practice until Week 6. At that point, he'd have a three-week window to begin practicing, with another three-week window to be added to the 53-man active roster.

 

[Faust]

Does anybody know the NFL deadline to declare players that will enter the season on the PUP list (i.e. miss the first 6 games)? I'm curious to when this info is public to see when it coincides with fantasy draft dates. Thanks.

Pretty sure it's not until right before the season starts.

New NFL Injured/Reserve (IR) Rule

New NFL Injured/Reserve (IR) RuleBy Chris Pichereau, Abshier House Publishing

The National Football League’s (NFL) injured reserve (IR) rules have been modified for the 2012 season. The rule now allows one player per team to be activated from the IR list. In addition, the sport’s trade deadline has been pushed back.

Earlier, the sport’s franchise owners approved the rules; however, they were waiting for ratification by the NFL Players Association. The union approved the rule on August 30, 2012. As a consequence, each team had to reduce its roster to 53 players by 9 p.m. on Friday, August 31, 2012.

Before the enactment of this new rule, any player that was placed on the IR list was not eligible to play again for the same team in that season. With the new rule, each team is allowed to activate one player per season from the IR list.

The trade deadline has been moved until after the eighth week of the playing season. Previously, the trade deadline was after the season’s sixth weekend of games.

IR list rules summaryFollowing are the main points regarding the new IR list rule changes:

• Only players with a “major injury” who are placed on the IR list after 4 p.m. EST on Tuesday, September 4, 2012, or during the season are eligible to be reactivated later in the season.
  
• A major injury is described as an injury that renders the player unable to practice or play football for at least six weeks — or 42 calendar days — from the date of injury.
  
• A player who is placed on the IR list after 4 p.m. EST on Tuesday, September 4, 2012, must be immediately “designated for return” at the time he is placed on the list. That designation must appear on that day’s Personnel Notice.
  
• That designated player is eligible to return to practice if he has been on the IR list for at least six weeks from the date he was placed on Reserve. He is eligible to return to the active list if has been on the IR list for at least eight weeks from the date he is placed on Reserve.
  

Roster rules summaryIn addition to the IR list, NFL teams use other mechanisms to manage their roster play list. A summary of those rules follows:

• Physically Unable to Perform (PUP) — Players listed on the PUP’s regular season list are eligible to play after week 6, at which point they can begin practicing with the team.
  
  The team has a three-week window to either activate the player or send him to the injured reserve list. A player can be placed on the PUP list only if he has been on the preseason PUP list and has not been practicing with the team.
  
• Waived/Injured — Teams are able to waive an injured player. Other teams can claim any player on the Waived/Injured list. If players clear their waivers, which most players do, their original team can either put them on the IR list or come to an injury settlement agreement and part ways.
  
• Reserve/Non-Football Injury List — The rules for this list are the same as the PUP list; however, the injuries come from something other than playing football.
  
• Practice Squad — Beginning on September 1, 2012, teams are able to complete an eight-man practice squad. For a team member to be eligible for this squad, the player must not have accrued a season of free agent eligibility.
  
  Eligibility for this squad is limited to players who do not have an accrued NFL season or were on an active 53-man roster list for less than nine games during their only accrued season. Players who have served two seasons on a practice squad are eligible for a third season if the team has at least 53 players on its active/inactive list for the duration of the player’s employment.
  

So Friday Aug 31st is the deadline?

It looks like to me that last year the deadline was 4 p.m. EST on Tuesday, September 4, 2012 (and the NFL season opened with the formal kick-off game between Dallas and the New York Giants the next day on Wednesday, September 05th).

If the deadlines are similar this year, then the IR and PUP list players will all need to be submitted to the NFL Head Office no later than 4 p.m. EST on Wednesday, September 4, 2013. I would assume that knowing what I know about the Patriots, they won't declare Gronkowski's PUP status until just before that deadline arrives.

 

[Penguin]

@adbrandt

Initial reports on Gronkowski back surgery are that it went well. Translation: no instruments were left behind.

 

[Raider Nation]

Profootballtalk reports "it is believed" Rob Gronkowski's Tuesday back operation went well.

Just once, I want the doctor to meet the media and say "The surgery went horribly wrong -- he'll never play again!"

 

[ghostguy123]

Profootballtalk reports "it is believed" Rob Gronkowski's Tuesday back operation went well.

Just once, I want the doctor to meet the media and say "The surgery went horribly wrong -- he'll never play again!"

That honestly would be hilarious. Would remind me of the doctor from Family Guy. Something like "I coulda swarn they said amputate, not discectomy. On a side note, I will be holding a fundraiser next week to help pay my malpractice insurance".

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reports the Patriots are "holding out hope" Rob Gronkowski (back surgery, arm surgery) will be ready for Week 1.
As to be expected. At this point, there's no reason to unilaterally assume Gronk won't be ready for Week 1 — two and a half months is a long time — but there's still far more reason to believe he won't be ready than will be ready. We're unlikely to get a good read on Gronk's regular season status before mid-August. All we know for now is that he'll start camp on the active/PUP list.

Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

 

[Abspara]

Rotoworld:

NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reports the Patriots are "holding out hope" Rob Gronkowski (back surgery, arm surgery) will be ready for Week 1.
As to be expected. At this point, there's no reason to unilaterally assume Gronk won't be ready for Week 1 — two and a half months is a long time — but there's still far more reason to believe he won't be ready than will be ready. We're unlikely to get a good read on Gronk's regular season status before mid-August. All we know for now is that he'll start camp on the active/PUP list.

Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

Of course the Pats are holding out hope, but they are also planning for the worst considering they have like 7 TE's currently rostered.

I'd speculate that Gronk isn't the quickest of healers based off past injury recovery timetables, and he that misses the first 6 games.

 

[Raider Nation]

I gave Faust the night off, so here goes...

New England Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski underwent a microscopic lumbar discectomy surgery performed by Dr. Robert Watkins at Marina Del Rey Hospital in Los Angeles, the statement said, via Christopher Price of WEEI.com. The surgery went well. The timing of his return to football will depend on his progression through the rehabilitation program.

A lumbar discectomy is geared toward addressing issues with a herniated disc in a persons back.

Watkins performed the same surgery on New York Giants defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul earlier this month. Pierre-Pauls recovery time was pegged at 12 weeks. If the same time table holds for Gronkowski it will be very close whether hell be available to start the season. Twelve weeks from the day of the surgery would be two days after the Patriots season opener against the Buffalo Bills.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

So Gronk will start the season on the PUP and Hernandez could start the season in jail

 

[ghostguy123]

So Gronk will start the season on the PUP and Hernandez could start the season in jail

Nah, hernandez can play the whole year while he is on trial.

 

[Bayhawks]

Of course the Pats are holding out hope, but they are also planning for the worst considering they have like 7 TE's currently rostered.

I'd speculate that Gronk isn't the quickest of healers based off past injury recovery timetables, and he that misses the first 6 games.

I don't know that I think Gronkowski will be back by week 1, but what past injury recoveries are you speaking of?

He suffered a HAS in the AFC championship game in 2012, and played in the Super Bowl 2 weeks later.

He broke his forearm last year, and played less than 6 weeks after having surgery to repair it.

He broke his forearm again, but reportedly in a different place. He was then shelved for the season, since he would not have been back in time to play in the playoffs.

He had an infection on the arm he had operated on, and now he is having back surgery.

If you want to say you think he is injury-prone, you have a point that you can argue, but to suggest that he doesn't "heal quickly" isn't backed by any facts in evidence.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Of course the Pats are holding out hope, but they are also planning for the worst considering they have like 7 TE's currently rostered.

I'd speculate that Gronk isn't the quickest of healers based off past injury recovery timetables, and he that misses the first 6 games.

I don't know that I think Gronkowski will be back by week 1, but what past injury recoveries are you speaking of?

He suffered a HAS in the AFC championship game in 2012, and played in the Super Bowl 2 weeks later.

He broke his forearm last year, and played less than 6 weeks after having surgery to repair it.

He broke his forearm again, but reportedly in a different place. He was then shelved for the season, since he would not have been back in time to play in the playoffs.

He had an infection on the arm he had operated on, and now he is having back surgery.

If you want to say you think he is injury-prone, you have a point that you can argue, but to suggest that he doesn't "heal quickly" isn't backed by any facts in evidence.

missed a whole yr of college play due to a back surgery

 

[Faust]

I gave Faust the night off, so here goes...

New England Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski underwent a microscopic lumbar discectomy surgery performed by Dr. Robert Watkins at Marina Del Rey Hospital in Los Angeles, the statement said, via Christopher Price of WEEI.com. The surgery went well. The timing of his return to football will depend on his progression through the rehabilitation program.

A lumbar discectomy is geared toward addressing issues with a herniated disc in a persons back.

Watkins performed the same surgery on New York Giants defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul earlier this month. Pierre-Pauls recovery time was pegged at 12 weeks. If the same time table holds for Gronkowski it will be very close whether hell be available to start the season. Twelve weeks from the day of the surgery would be two days after the Patriots season opener against the Buffalo Bills.

RN,

I appreciated the night off, thanks for looking after the Shark Pool while I was away!

Cheers,

Faust

 

[Bayhawks]

Of course the Pats are holding out hope, but they are also planning for the worst considering they have like 7 TE's currently rostered.

I'd speculate that Gronk isn't the quickest of healers based off past injury recovery timetables, and he that misses the first 6 games.

I don't know that I think Gronkowski will be back by week 1, but what past injury recoveries are you speaking of?

He suffered a HAS in the AFC championship game in 2012, and played in the Super Bowl 2 weeks later.

He broke his forearm last year, and played less than 6 weeks after having surgery to repair it.

He broke his forearm again, but reportedly in a different place. He was then shelved for the season, since he would not have been back in time to play in the playoffs.

He had an infection on the arm he had operated on, and now he is having back surgery.

If you want to say you think he is injury-prone, you have a point that you can argue, but to suggest that he doesn't "heal quickly" isn't backed by any facts in evidence.

missed a whole yr of college play due to a back surgery

That was a dfiferent (and more of a major) surgery. He also didn't have surgery until the end of September (if I recall correctly). Since the college season (regular season) ends in early December, it isn't like he had a minor surgery in August that caused h im to miss 5 months. So missing that season still doesn't give any credence to the suggestion that Gronkowski recovers less quickly than others. He was drafted in the 2nd round afer missing that season. Don't you think if he was a "slow healer" he would have fallen farther?

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

NFL.com's Ian Rapoport confirms Rob Gronkowski (back surgery, arm surgery) will open camp on the active/PUP list.
ESPN's Adam Schefter had the news first on Tuesday, but Rapsheet has chimed in with slightly stronger language, saying it "will" happen. Per Rapsheet, the Pats haven't given up hope that Gronk will be ready for Week 1, but we'd assume it's a fanciful hope. Gronk isn't a Peterson-esque healer, while the Pats have every reason to exercise extreme caution with their game-changing tight end.


Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

 

[ghostguy123]

Slow healer, fast healer....doesnt matter. Why rush him back?? Would be dumb.

 

[Gawain]

A week ago who would have thought that Gronk was the premier NE tight end with the fewest question marks around him?

 

[finito]

A week ago who would have thought that Gronk was the premier NE tight end with the fewest question marks around him?

This time next month we may be talking about Jake Ballard as the guy to own in NE, yeesh.

 

[Bayhawks]

Slow healer, fast healer....doesnt matter. Why rush him back?? Would be dumb.

Yes, but the key word is "rush." If the rehab timeline is 12 weeks, and Gronkowski is neither a "slow" or "fast" healer, he would be ready to go right after game 1, without being "rushed." Missing 1 game is a heck of a lot different than missing 6 (like Abspara predicted, based on his baseless "slow" healer belief).

 

[Sabertooth]

Slow healer, fast healer....doesnt matter. Why rush him back?? Would be dumb.

Yes, but the key word is "rush." If the rehab timeline is 12 weeks, and Gronkowski is neither a "slow" or "fast" healer, he would be ready to go right after game 1, without being "rushed." Missing 1 game is a heck of a lot different than missing 6 (like Abspara predicted, based on his baseless "slow" healer belief).

He was rushed back last year, no reason to think he won't be again. I wouldn't be surpised to see him running down on kick coverage during preseason week 3. Belichick is an idiot that way. Genius in other ways, but he really stepped on his weiner with the way he handled Gronk last year. Similar to Shanny with RG3.

 

[Anarchy99]

Slow healer, fast healer....doesnt matter. Why rush him back?? Would be dumb.

Yes, but the key word is "rush." If the rehab timeline is 12 weeks, and Gronkowski is neither a "slow" or "fast" healer, he would be ready to go right after game 1, without being "rushed." Missing 1 game is a heck of a lot different than missing 6 (like Abspara predicted, based on his baseless "slow" healer belief).

See, this is where I think the confusion lies. Does a rehab time of 12 weeks mean he can play an NFL football game on 12 weeks and a day? IMO, it means in 12 weeks he can go back to getting ready to practice and get in condition . . . which is something he really hasn't done since November or December. Remember with the arm injury he also hasn't been able to lift, catch passes, or generally stay in shape as an elite athlete. We are getting to the point where I would be really surprised if Gronk didn't miss multiple games.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Slow healer, fast healer....doesnt matter. Why rush him back?? Would be dumb.

Yes, but the key word is "rush." If the rehab timeline is 12 weeks, and Gronkowski is neither a "slow" or "fast" healer, he would be ready to go right after game 1, without being "rushed." Missing 1 game is a heck of a lot different than missing 6 (like Abspara predicted, based on his baseless "slow" healer belief).

See, this is where I think the confusion lies. Does a rehab time of 12 weeks mean he can play an NFL football game on 12 weeks and a day? IMO, it means in 12 weeks he can go back to getting ready to practice and get in condition . . . which is something he really hasn't done since November or December. Remember with the arm injury he also hasn't been able to lift, catch passes, or generally stay in shape as an elite athlete. We are getting to the point where I would be really surprised if Gronk didn't miss multiple games.

Latest reporting is six weeks for the scar to heal up, and then six weeks to rehab. I agree multiple games is most likely, but guessing they won't PUP him for regular season after all (i.e. he returns before Week 7).

 

[Anarchy99]

Slow healer, fast healer....doesnt matter. Why rush him back?? Would be dumb.

Yes, but the key word is "rush." If the rehab timeline is 12 weeks, and Gronkowski is neither a "slow" or "fast" healer, he would be ready to go right after game 1, without being "rushed." Missing 1 game is a heck of a lot different than missing 6 (like Abspara predicted, based on his baseless "slow" healer belief).

See, this is where I think the confusion lies. Does a rehab time of 12 weeks mean he can play an NFL football game on 12 weeks and a day? IMO, it means in 12 weeks he can go back to getting ready to practice and get in condition . . . which is something he really hasn't done since November or December. Remember with the arm injury he also hasn't been able to lift, catch passes, or generally stay in shape as an elite athlete. We are getting to the point where I would be really surprised if Gronk didn't miss multiple games.

Latest reporting is six weeks for the scar to heal up, and then six weeks to rehab. I agree multiple games is most likely, but guessing they won't PUP him for regular season after all (i.e. he returns before Week 7).

Again, I don't know what the 6 weeks of rehab gets you. Is it rehab to get someone to have basic functionality like walking and activities of daily living? Or after 6 weeks is the patient close to being 100% and able to do everything he or she was able to do pre-surgery (or when they were 100% healthy)? Similarly, does the care plan and rehab schedule account for being speared in the back by a 300 pound lineman (I'm guessing that part might not be part of most post-recovery concerns for the average bear).

 

[Norman Paperman]

Better hope it heals well, because Gronkowski is going to have to carry the Patriots on his back this year.

 

[Bayhawks]

Slow healer, fast healer....doesnt matter. Why rush him back?? Would be dumb.

Yes, but the key word is "rush." If the rehab timeline is 12 weeks, and Gronkowski is neither a "slow" or "fast" healer, he would be ready to go right after game 1, without being "rushed." Missing 1 game is a heck of a lot different than missing 6 (like Abspara predicted, based on his baseless "slow" healer belief).

See, this is where I think the confusion lies. Does a rehab time of 12 weeks mean he can play an NFL football game on 12 weeks and a day? IMO, it means in 12 weeks he can go back to getting ready to practice and get in condition . . . which is something he really hasn't done since November or December. Remember with the arm injury he also hasn't been able to lift, catch passes, or generally stay in shape as an elite athlete. We are getting to the point where I would be really surprised if Gronk didn't miss multiple games.

I'm not sure why there is confusion. I've read in several places that the 12 weeks encompasses a 6 week "no activity/rehab/working out" period, then 6 weeks to rehab & get into game shape.

A quick google search turned up this article:

http://bostonherald.com/sports/patriots_nfl/new_england_patriots/2013/06/rob_gronkowski_back_to_surgery_rehab

This line is the important one:

The common amount of time needed for athletes to be game-ready after this type of procedure is 12 weeks.

12 weeks from his surgery is September 10, which (if he heals/rehabs "normally") would mean he could be back for week 2.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Slow healer, fast healer....doesnt matter. Why rush him back?? Would be dumb.

Yes, but the key word is "rush." If the rehab timeline is 12 weeks, and Gronkowski is neither a "slow" or "fast" healer, he would be ready to go right after game 1, without being "rushed." Missing 1 game is a heck of a lot different than missing 6 (like Abspara predicted, based on his baseless "slow" healer belief).

See, this is where I think the confusion lies. Does a rehab time of 12 weeks mean he can play an NFL football game on 12 weeks and a day? IMO, it means in 12 weeks he can go back to getting ready to practice and get in condition . . . which is something he really hasn't done since November or December. Remember with the arm injury he also hasn't been able to lift, catch passes, or generally stay in shape as an elite athlete. We are getting to the point where I would be really surprised if Gronk didn't miss multiple games.

Latest reporting is six weeks for the scar to heal up, and then six weeks to rehab. I agree multiple games is most likely, but guessing they won't PUP him for regular season after all (i.e. he returns before Week 7).

Again, I don't know what the 6 weeks of rehab gets you. Is it rehab to get someone to have basic functionality like walking and activities of daily living? Or after 6 weeks is the patient close to being 100% and able to do everything he or she was able to do pre-surgery (or when they were 100% healthy)? Similarly, does the care plan and rehab schedule account for being speared in the back by a 300 pound lineman (I'm guessing that part might not be part of most post-recovery concerns for the average bear).

I'm inferring from the fact that the Patriots are 'holding out hope' about Week 1 that it's closer to the latter. Also, the Giants are cautiously optimistic that JPP will be back for the season opener and he had surgery only two weeks earlier than Gronk.

Obviously no one knows and there's a random element to it as well, but I think signs are that it's six weeks to heal and ~6 weeks to get back up to speed. You'd think they'll be conservative with him after everything that's happened, but given his value and the importance of every game in a short season I'm guessing they won't PUP him if he might be back in Week 3 (4,5,etc).

 

[Bayhawks]

Slow healer, fast healer....doesnt matter. Why rush him back?? Would be dumb.

Yes, but the key word is "rush." If the rehab timeline is 12 weeks, and Gronkowski is neither a "slow" or "fast" healer, he would be ready to go right after game 1, without being "rushed." Missing 1 game is a heck of a lot different than missing 6 (like Abspara predicted, based on his baseless "slow" healer belief).

See, this is where I think the confusion lies. Does a rehab time of 12 weeks mean he can play an NFL football game on 12 weeks and a day? IMO, it means in 12 weeks he can go back to getting ready to practice and get in condition . . . which is something he really hasn't done since November or December. Remember with the arm injury he also hasn't been able to lift, catch passes, or generally stay in shape as an elite athlete. We are getting to the point where I would be really surprised if Gronk didn't miss multiple games.

Latest reporting is six weeks for the scar to heal up, and then six weeks to rehab. I agree multiple games is most likely, but guessing they won't PUP him for regular season after all (i.e. he returns before Week 7).

Again, I don't know what the 6 weeks of rehab gets you. Is it rehab to get someone to have basic functionality like walking and activities of daily living? Or after 6 weeks is the patient close to being 100% and able to do everything he or she was able to do pre-surgery (or when they were 100% healthy)? Similarly, does the care plan and rehab schedule account for being speared in the back by a 300 pound lineman (I'm guessing that part might not be part of most post-recovery concerns for the average bear).

I don't know what the 6 weeks of rehab entails either, but if you're going to assume that the 6 week rehab time-table doesn't take into account the demands an NFL TE has to deal with, you should also assume that it doesn't include the time, science, and medical staff available to an NFL TE during his recovery.

If you think the 6 week rehab is referring to an "average joe," then you also must think that it refers to a few hours a week of rehab, without the benefit of the most advanced medical science/technology. Gronkowski will be able to rehab a few hours A DAY, and will have, at his disposal, medical staff and medicines that your "average joe" does not.

 

[Anarchy99]

Slow healer, fast healer....doesnt matter. Why rush him back?? Would be dumb.

Yes, but the key word is "rush." If the rehab timeline is 12 weeks, and Gronkowski is neither a "slow" or "fast" healer, he would be ready to go right after game 1, without being "rushed." Missing 1 game is a heck of a lot different than missing 6 (like Abspara predicted, based on his baseless "slow" healer belief).

See, this is where I think the confusion lies. Does a rehab time of 12 weeks mean he can play an NFL football game on 12 weeks and a day? IMO, it means in 12 weeks he can go back to getting ready to practice and get in condition . . . which is something he really hasn't done since November or December. Remember with the arm injury he also hasn't been able to lift, catch passes, or generally stay in shape as an elite athlete. We are getting to the point where I would be really surprised if Gronk didn't miss multiple games.

I'm not sure why there is confusion. I've read in several places that the 12 weeks encompasses a 6 week "no activity/rehab/working out" period, then 6 weeks to rehab & get into game shape.

A quick google search turned up this article:

http://bostonherald.com/sports/patriots_nfl/new_england_patriots/2013/06/rob_gronkowski_back_to_surgery_rehab

This line is the important one:

The common amount of time needed for athletes to be game-ready after this type of procedure is 12 weeks.

12 weeks from his surgery is September 10, which (if he heals/rehabs "normally") would mean he could be back for week 2.

Maybe that's true under normal circumstances, but Gronk hasn't really practiced or worked out much, if at all, since roughly November. I don't think any of us know how game ready he would be after a 9 or 10 month layoff. And like all other injuries, each case and circumstance is different.

Also noteworthy is that the Pats would have to take Gronk off the training camp PUP list for him to practice, and once they did they COULD NOT put him on the regular season PUP list.

So that 6 weeks to rehab and be game ready could be misleading. Basically, for him to activle participate in practice, they would have to take him off the PUP list at the start of training camp (if they wanted him to get the full 6 weeks of rehab to actually be "game ready").

 

[Anarchy99]

Slow healer, fast healer....doesnt matter. Why rush him back?? Would be dumb.

Yes, but the key word is "rush." If the rehab timeline is 12 weeks, and Gronkowski is neither a "slow" or "fast" healer, he would be ready to go right after game 1, without being "rushed." Missing 1 game is a heck of a lot different than missing 6 (like Abspara predicted, based on his baseless "slow" healer belief).

See, this is where I think the confusion lies. Does a rehab time of 12 weeks mean he can play an NFL football game on 12 weeks and a day? IMO, it means in 12 weeks he can go back to getting ready to practice and get in condition . . . which is something he really hasn't done since November or December. Remember with the arm injury he also hasn't been able to lift, catch passes, or generally stay in shape as an elite athlete. We are getting to the point where I would be really surprised if Gronk didn't miss multiple games.

Latest reporting is six weeks for the scar to heal up, and then six weeks to rehab. I agree multiple games is most likely, but guessing they won't PUP him for regular season after all (i.e. he returns before Week 7).

Again, I don't know what the 6 weeks of rehab gets you. Is it rehab to get someone to have basic functionality like walking and activities of daily living? Or after 6 weeks is the patient close to being 100% and able to do everything he or she was able to do pre-surgery (or when they were 100% healthy)? Similarly, does the care plan and rehab schedule account for being speared in the back by a 300 pound lineman (I'm guessing that part might not be part of most post-recovery concerns for the average bear).

I don't know what the 6 weeks of rehab entails either, but if you're going to assume that the 6 week rehab time-table doesn't take into account the demands an NFL TE has to deal with, you should also assume that it doesn't include the time, science, and medical staff available to an NFL TE during his recovery.

If you think the 6 week rehab is referring to an "average joe," then you also must think that it refers to a few hours a week of rehab, without the benefit of the most advanced medical science/technology. Gronkowski will be able to rehab a few hours A DAY, and will have, at his disposal, medical staff and medicines that your "average joe" does not.

I'm not qualified to put forth a medical opinion, but if the intent for a patient rehabbing is to mostly take it easy to ease into things, perhaps having 8-12 hours of intensive rehab and working out might not actually help the patient and could in fact be detrimental by doing too much too soon.

For now all we have is guesswork and speculation to go on and we really won't know much until I would guess the beginning of August.

 

[Bayhawks]

Slow healer, fast healer....doesnt matter. Why rush him back?? Would be dumb.

Yes, but the key word is "rush." If the rehab timeline is 12 weeks, and Gronkowski is neither a "slow" or "fast" healer, he would be ready to go right after game 1, without being "rushed." Missing 1 game is a heck of a lot different than missing 6 (like Abspara predicted, based on his baseless "slow" healer belief).

See, this is where I think the confusion lies. Does a rehab time of 12 weeks mean he can play an NFL football game on 12 weeks and a day? IMO, it means in 12 weeks he can go back to getting ready to practice and get in condition . . . which is something he really hasn't done since November or December. Remember with the arm injury he also hasn't been able to lift, catch passes, or generally stay in shape as an elite athlete. We are getting to the point where I would be really surprised if Gronk didn't miss multiple games.

Latest reporting is six weeks for the scar to heal up, and then six weeks to rehab. I agree multiple games is most likely, but guessing they won't PUP him for regular season after all (i.e. he returns before Week 7).

Again, I don't know what the 6 weeks of rehab gets you. Is it rehab to get someone to have basic functionality like walking and activities of daily living? Or after 6 weeks is the patient close to being 100% and able to do everything he or she was able to do pre-surgery (or when they were 100% healthy)? Similarly, does the care plan and rehab schedule account for being speared in the back by a 300 pound lineman (I'm guessing that part might not be part of most post-recovery concerns for the average bear).

I don't know what the 6 weeks of rehab entails either, but if you're going to assume that the 6 week rehab time-table doesn't take into account the demands an NFL TE has to deal with, you should also assume that it doesn't include the time, science, and medical staff available to an NFL TE during his recovery.

If you think the 6 week rehab is referring to an "average joe," then you also must think that it refers to a few hours a week of rehab, without the benefit of the most advanced medical science/technology. Gronkowski will be able to rehab a few hours A DAY, and will have, at his disposal, medical staff and medicines that your "average joe" does not.

I'm not qualified to put forth a medical opinion, but if the intent for a patient rehabbing is to mostly take it easy to ease into things, perhaps having 8-12 hours of intensive rehab and working out might not actually help the patient and could in fact be detrimental by doing too much too soon.

For now all we have is guesswork and speculation to go on and we really won't know much until I would guess the beginning of August.

Rehab isn't intended to "take it easy to ease into things," it's to get the patient used to using the repaired muscles, tendons, body parts, etc. The reason that the "average joe" only gets a few hours of rehab at a time is mostly because of time constraints and medical insurance restrictions. Since Gronkowksi won't have those constraints, he will be able to rehab more aggressively than the "average joe."

Obviously there are limits, and your 8-12 hours of rehab comment are being way too extreme. However, Gronkowski will have the ability to rehab longer and more often than a non-NFL player. He will also have at his disposal rehab treatments that are not commonly available to the average person.

 

[Bayhawks]

Slow healer, fast healer....doesnt matter. Why rush him back?? Would be dumb.

Yes, but the key word is "rush." If the rehab timeline is 12 weeks, and Gronkowski is neither a "slow" or "fast" healer, he would be ready to go right after game 1, without being "rushed." Missing 1 game is a heck of a lot different than missing 6 (like Abspara predicted, based on his baseless "slow" healer belief).

See, this is where I think the confusion lies. Does a rehab time of 12 weeks mean he can play an NFL football game on 12 weeks and a day? IMO, it means in 12 weeks he can go back to getting ready to practice and get in condition . . . which is something he really hasn't done since November or December. Remember with the arm injury he also hasn't been able to lift, catch passes, or generally stay in shape as an elite athlete. We are getting to the point where I would be really surprised if Gronk didn't miss multiple games.

I'm not sure why there is confusion. I've read in several places that the 12 weeks encompasses a 6 week "no activity/rehab/working out" period, then 6 weeks to rehab & get into game shape.

A quick google search turned up this article:

http://bostonherald.com/sports/patriots_nfl/new_england_patriots/2013/06/rob_gronkowski_back_to_surgery_rehab

This line is the important one:

The common amount of time needed for athletes to be game-ready after this type of procedure is 12 weeks.

12 weeks from his surgery is September 10, which (if he heals/rehabs "normally") would mean he could be back for week 2.

Maybe that's true under normal circumstances, but Gronk hasn't really practiced or worked out much, if at all, since roughly November. I don't think any of us know how game ready he would be after a 9 or 10 month layoff. And like all other injuries, each case and circumstance is different.

Also noteworthy is that the Pats would have to take Gronk off the training camp PUP list for him to practice, and once they did they COULD NOT put him on the regular season PUP list.

So that 6 weeks to rehab and be game ready could be misleading. Basically, for him to activle participate in practice, they would have to take him off the PUP list at the start of training camp (if they wanted him to get the full 6 weeks of rehab to actually be "game ready").

You're not really making sense. 6 weeks of rehab is plenty of time to get into shape (strengthening the muscles in his back and forearm, while re-acclimating his body to exercise). That is a different subject than getting into "football shape." So while Gronkowski may not be in top "football condition" by week 2, he could be phsyically healthy enough to play. If he was on the PUP to start the season, he would't be able to practice or play, so he wouldn't be able to get into "football shape." Therefore, having him on the PUP would be pointless, at that juncture.

 

[ghostguy123]

Slow healer, fast healer....doesnt matter. Why rush him back?? Would be dumb.

Yes, but the key word is "rush." If the rehab timeline is 12 weeks, and Gronkowski is neither a "slow" or "fast" healer, he would be ready to go right after game 1, without being "rushed." Missing 1 game is a heck of a lot different than missing 6 (like Abspara predicted, based on his baseless "slow" healer belief).

See, this is where I think the confusion lies. Does a rehab time of 12 weeks mean he can play an NFL football game on 12 weeks and a day? IMO, it means in 12 weeks he can go back to getting ready to practice and get in condition . . . which is something he really hasn't done since November or December. Remember with the arm injury he also hasn't been able to lift, catch passes, or generally stay in shape as an elite athlete. We are getting to the point where I would be really surprised if Gronk didn't miss multiple games.

I'm not sure why there is confusion. I've read in several places that the 12 weeks encompasses a 6 week "no activity/rehab/working out" period, then 6 weeks to rehab & get into game shape.

A quick google search turned up this article:

http://bostonherald.com/sports/patriots_nfl/new_england_patriots/2013/06/rob_gronkowski_back_to_surgery_rehab

This line is the important one:

The common amount of time needed for athletes to be game-ready after this type of procedure is 12 weeks.

12 weeks from his surgery is September 10, which (if he heals/rehabs "normally") would mean he could be back for week 2.

Maybe that's true under normal circumstances, but Gronk hasn't really practiced or worked out much, if at all, since roughly November. I don't think any of us know how game ready he would be after a 9 or 10 month layoff. And like all other injuries, each case and circumstance is different.

Also noteworthy is that the Pats would have to take Gronk off the training camp PUP list for him to practice, and once they did they COULD NOT put him on the regular season PUP list.

So that 6 weeks to rehab and be game ready could be misleading. Basically, for him to activle participate in practice, they would have to take him off the PUP list at the start of training camp (if they wanted him to get the full 6 weeks of rehab to actually be "game ready").

You're not really making sense. 6 weeks of rehab is plenty of time to get into shape (strengthening the muscles in his back and forearm, while re-acclimating his body to exercise). That is a different subject than getting into "football shape." So while Gronkowski may not be in top "football condition" by week 2, he could be phsyically healthy enough to play. If he was on the PUP to start the season, he would't be able to practice or play, so he wouldn't be able to get into "football shape." Therefore, having him on the PUP would be pointless, at that juncture.

No, it would not be pointless.

Getting into "football shape" will happen a lot faster the better "shape" you are in.

He can work out very hard with trainers without practicing, and when he comes off PUP he can get into game shape fairly quick. A couple weeks or so of semi-limited reps in games.

The Patriots are good enough that they dont need to rush him, whether hernandez plays or not

 

[KellysHeroes]

with the news of AH, Gronk will be rushed and re-injuried

 

[Anarchy99]

Slow healer, fast healer....doesnt matter. Why rush him back?? Would be dumb.

Yes, but the key word is "rush." If the rehab timeline is 12 weeks, and Gronkowski is neither a "slow" or "fast" healer, he would be ready to go right after game 1, without being "rushed." Missing 1 game is a heck of a lot different than missing 6 (like Abspara predicted, based on his baseless "slow" healer belief).

See, this is where I think the confusion lies. Does a rehab time of 12 weeks mean he can play an NFL football game on 12 weeks and a day? IMO, it means in 12 weeks he can go back to getting ready to practice and get in condition . . . which is something he really hasn't done since November or December. Remember with the arm injury he also hasn't been able to lift, catch passes, or generally stay in shape as an elite athlete. We are getting to the point where I would be really surprised if Gronk didn't miss multiple games.

I'm not sure why there is confusion. I've read in several places that the 12 weeks encompasses a 6 week "no activity/rehab/working out" period, then 6 weeks to rehab & get into game shape.

A quick google search turned up this article:

http://bostonherald.com/sports/patriots_nfl/new_england_patriots/2013/06/rob_gronkowski_back_to_surgery_rehab

This line is the important one:

The common amount of time needed for athletes to be game-ready after this type of procedure is 12 weeks.

12 weeks from his surgery is September 10, which (if he heals/rehabs "normally") would mean he could be back for week 2.

Maybe that's true under normal circumstances, but Gronk hasn't really practiced or worked out much, if at all, since roughly November. I don't think any of us know how game ready he would be after a 9 or 10 month layoff. And like all other injuries, each case and circumstance is different.

Also noteworthy is that the Pats would have to take Gronk off the training camp PUP list for him to practice, and once they did they COULD NOT put him on the regular season PUP list.

So that 6 weeks to rehab and be game ready could be misleading. Basically, for him to activle participate in practice, they would have to take him off the PUP list at the start of training camp (if they wanted him to get the full 6 weeks of rehab to actually be "game ready").

You're not really making sense. 6 weeks of rehab is plenty of time to get into shape (strengthening the muscles in his back and forearm, while re-acclimating his body to exercise). That is a different subject than getting into "football shape." So while Gronkowski may not be in top "football condition" by week 2, he could be phsyically healthy enough to play. If he was on the PUP to start the season, he would't be able to practice or play, so he wouldn't be able to get into "football shape." Therefore, having him on the PUP would be pointless, at that juncture.

I think you missed what I was saying. Players on the PUP list can't practice, whether it be in the preseason or the regular season. So he could rehab while on the PUP list, but he could not practice with the team or take any sort of contact.

The "6 weeks of rehab" would start at the beginning of training camp, plus or minus a few days. If he stays all 12 weeks on the PUP list, then he would be returning to practice once the regular season started. Would they stick him in the lineup with no practice reps and not having taken any contact? Beats me.

As I already noted, if they take him off the PUP list and want him to practice in training camp (which would be in the "6 weeks of rehab window"), then the Pats could not place him back on the PUP list.

It seems like the most likely options are they either play it conservative and place him on the regular season PUP list (and misses 6 games) or they take him off the preseason PUP list with a couple of weeks to go in training camp and hopefully get him in the line up in Week 3 or 4.

 

[cstu]

with the news of AH, Gronk will be rushed and re-injuried

Luckily they open the season with the Bills and Jets. The Bucs home game is winnable without him and they don't really need him back before week 4 against the Falcons.

 

[Bayhawks]

Slow healer, fast healer....doesnt matter. Why rush him back?? Would be dumb.

Yes, but the key word is "rush." If the rehab timeline is 12 weeks, and Gronkowski is neither a "slow" or "fast" healer, he would be ready to go right after game 1, without being "rushed." Missing 1 game is a heck of a lot different than missing 6 (like Abspara predicted, based on his baseless "slow" healer belief).

See, this is where I think the confusion lies. Does a rehab time of 12 weeks mean he can play an NFL football game on 12 weeks and a day? IMO, it means in 12 weeks he can go back to getting ready to practice and get in condition . . . which is something he really hasn't done since November or December. Remember with the arm injury he also hasn't been able to lift, catch passes, or generally stay in shape as an elite athlete. We are getting to the point where I would be really surprised if Gronk didn't miss multiple games.

I'm not sure why there is confusion. I've read in several places that the 12 weeks encompasses a 6 week "no activity/rehab/working out" period, then 6 weeks to rehab & get into game shape.

A quick google search turned up this article:

http://bostonherald.com/sports/patriots_nfl/new_england_patriots/2013/06/rob_gronkowski_back_to_surgery_rehab

This line is the important one:

The common amount of time needed for athletes to be game-ready after this type of procedure is 12 weeks.

12 weeks from his surgery is September 10, which (if he heals/rehabs "normally") would mean he could be back for week 2.

Maybe that's true under normal circumstances, but Gronk hasn't really practiced or worked out much, if at all, since roughly November. I don't think any of us know how game ready he would be after a 9 or 10 month layoff. And like all other injuries, each case and circumstance is different.

Also noteworthy is that the Pats would have to take Gronk off the training camp PUP list for him to practice, and once they did they COULD NOT put him on the regular season PUP list.

So that 6 weeks to rehab and be game ready could be misleading. Basically, for him to activle participate in practice, they would have to take him off the PUP list at the start of training camp (if they wanted him to get the full 6 weeks of rehab to actually be "game ready").

You're not really making sense. 6 weeks of rehab is plenty of time to get into shape (strengthening the muscles in his back and forearm, while re-acclimating his body to exercise). That is a different subject than getting into "football shape." So while Gronkowski may not be in top "football condition" by week 2, he could be phsyically healthy enough to play. If he was on the PUP to start the season, he would't be able to practice or play, so he wouldn't be able to get into "football shape." Therefore, having him on the PUP would be pointless, at that juncture.

No, it would not be pointless.

Getting into "football shape" will happen a lot faster the better "shape" you are in.

He can work out very hard with trainers without practicing, and when he comes off PUP he can get into game shape fairly quick. A couple weeks or so of semi-limited reps in games.

The Patriots are good enough that they dont need to rush him, whether hernandez plays or not

He can't have "a couple weeks or so of semi-limited reps in games" if he is on the PUP.

You are making my point for me. If his rehab goes according to the timeline of 12 weeks, he would be ready to play in week 2. A couple of weeks of "easing" him back into the games would be more helpful than another 4-5 weeks of just rehab, but no football practice/games. Therefore, putting him on the PUP would be pointless.

 

[Bayhawks]

Slow healer, fast healer....doesnt matter. Why rush him back?? Would be dumb.

Yes, but the key word is "rush." If the rehab timeline is 12 weeks, and Gronkowski is neither a "slow" or "fast" healer, he would be ready to go right after game 1, without being "rushed." Missing 1 game is a heck of a lot different than missing 6 (like Abspara predicted, based on his baseless "slow" healer belief).

See, this is where I think the confusion lies. Does a rehab time of 12 weeks mean he can play an NFL football game on 12 weeks and a day? IMO, it means in 12 weeks he can go back to getting ready to practice and get in condition . . . which is something he really hasn't done since November or December. Remember with the arm injury he also hasn't been able to lift, catch passes, or generally stay in shape as an elite athlete. We are getting to the point where I would be really surprised if Gronk didn't miss multiple games.

I'm not sure why there is confusion. I've read in several places that the 12 weeks encompasses a 6 week "no activity/rehab/working out" period, then 6 weeks to rehab & get into game shape.

A quick google search turned up this article:

http://bostonherald.com/sports/patriots_nfl/new_england_patriots/2013/06/rob_gronkowski_back_to_surgery_rehab

This line is the important one:

The common amount of time needed for athletes to be game-ready after this type of procedure is 12 weeks.

12 weeks from his surgery is September 10, which (if he heals/rehabs "normally") would mean he could be back for week 2.

Maybe that's true under normal circumstances, but Gronk hasn't really practiced or worked out much, if at all, since roughly November. I don't think any of us know how game ready he would be after a 9 or 10 month layoff. And like all other injuries, each case and circumstance is different.

Also noteworthy is that the Pats would have to take Gronk off the training camp PUP list for him to practice, and once they did they COULD NOT put him on the regular season PUP list.

So that 6 weeks to rehab and be game ready could be misleading. Basically, for him to activle participate in practice, they would have to take him off the PUP list at the start of training camp (if they wanted him to get the full 6 weeks of rehab to actually be "game ready").

You're not really making sense. 6 weeks of rehab is plenty of time to get into shape (strengthening the muscles in his back and forearm, while re-acclimating his body to exercise). That is a different subject than getting into "football shape." So while Gronkowski may not be in top "football condition" by week 2, he could be phsyically healthy enough to play. If he was on the PUP to start the season, he would't be able to practice or play, so he wouldn't be able to get into "football shape." Therefore, having him on the PUP would be pointless, at that juncture.

I think you missed what I was saying. Players on the PUP list can't practice, whether it be in the preseason or the regular season. So he could rehab while on the PUP list, but he could not practice with the team or take any sort of contact.

The "6 weeks of rehab" would start at the beginning of training camp, plus or minus a few days. If he stays all 12 weeks on the PUP list, then he would be returning to practice once the regular season started. Would they stick him in the lineup with no practice reps and not having taken any contact? Beats me.

As I already noted, if they take him off the PUP list and want him to practice in training camp (which would be in the "6 weeks of rehab window"), then the Pats could not place him back on the PUP list.

It seems like the most likely options are they either play it conservative and place him on the regular season PUP list (and misses 6 games) or they take him off the preseason PUP list with a couple of weeks to go in training camp and hopefully get him in the line up in Week 3 or 4.

I see the second option (taking him off the preseason PUP list during TC) as MUCH more likely than starting the season on the regular season PUP. (assuming no rehab set-backs)

It's not all that uncommon for veterans (I know Gronkowski isn't actually a "seasoned" veteran) to miss/take it easy during TC. They don't need the physical reps as much as your rookies/free agents. If the Pats take Gronkowski off the PUP list during TC, they can still limit his football activities, while he rehabs, and work him into more of the non/lower-contact type practices. Then, when his 12 weeks is up, he gets a week or two of full(er) practices, limited snaps in games, and he's back before the 6th game. If he's on the PUP to start the season, he can't start doing the practice/games until week 6. At that point, you still have to assume a 1-2 week "acclimation" period to get re-used to football activities. By the time he'd be back to "100%," 1/2 the season would be over.

The idea of starting the season on the PUP list makes NO sense, assuming their are no set-backs in his rehab. Even if he does miss the 1st game (or even the 1st 2-3), that's a hell of a lot better than the first 6-8 games.

 

[ghostguy123]

He can't have "a couple weeks or so of semi-limited reps in games" if he is on the PUP.

You are making my point for me. If his rehab goes according to the timeline of 12 weeks, he would be ready to play in week 2. A couple of weeks of "easing" him back into the games would be more helpful than another 4-5 weeks of just rehab, but no football practice/games. Therefore, putting him on the PUP would be pointless.

I said AFTER PUP.

And no I dont think he will be ready to play in week 2. He wont be in shape. He will need extra time to get in shape, making it easier to get into GAME SHAPE when he is back playing.

Why would they run him back out there when he hasn't been doing much of anything football related? He just wont have time to do much once he is cleared for that. Not gonna just throw him out in the game and risk all kinds of other injuries.

Then again, he is the Gronk. It would not surprise me, but I would be money he is on PUP.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Interesting there's been next to zero news since the surgery a week ago. Rare in the age of FF, Twitter and dozens of news/rumor gatherers.

 

[ghostguy123]

Interesting there's been next to zero news since the surgery a week ago. Rare in the age of FF, Twitter and dozens of news/rumor gatherers.

Was thinking this earlier. Hernandez apparently stealing the thunder on this one.