TE Rob Gronkowski (3 Viewers)

[meyerj31]

cutting their TE depth and not putting Gronk on the PUP or IR/return list is pretty big

This is the only thing that matters.

Teams don't cut solid players. Ballard and the other guy clearly weren't cutting the mustard.

 

[Adam Harstad]

Gronk will be listed as questionable every week and we probably won't know before the game when he is going to play knowing Bill.

He'll probably be listed as questionable every week, because Bill Belichick likes playing games with the injury report, but we'll know whether he's playing or not. We won't know weeks in advance, but it's always pretty clear whether New England is planning on playing Gronk at all that week.

 

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That is real similar to what I did in my 12 team PPR (1.5 PPR for TE). I made a trade so I moved up from my 6th to the other teams 3rd, but here is what I did:

Note that I kept Morris (17th) and Sproles (8th) since so many RBs were kept.

1.12 Brees

2.1 Chris Johnson

3.2 (trade) Bowe

3.12 Wayne

4.1 Gronk

5.12 Nelson

I took Cook and Sudfeld later. I actually took Cook thinking Gronk was going to miss 6 due to PUP and 1 or 2 more games worst case. I figured with the extra 3rd, I would take a flier on Gronk in the hopes that he would be 100% in the second half through the fantasy playoffs.

Exactly.

16 Team NON-PPR Picking 14th: Kept Foster

Went SJAX, J Jones, Bowe, Gronk (4.03)... backed him with Thomas (DEN) in the 12th.

10 Team PPR Picking 9th last night : Kept Martin

Went: AJ, Forte, VJax, Cruz, Gronk (5.09) and grabbed Rudolph to back him up much later (10th or 11th)

Gronk was a borderline 1st rounder last year. If he's even close to 100% by week 3 he's going to help some folks win their leagues this year.

Love NE sloughing TE depth and him not hitting the PUP. Gives me some hope he MIGHT actually be ready week 1.

 

[Anarchy99]

I think people are dreaming that Gronk will play Week 1. He hasn't practiced or seen any contact in what, 9 months? And I am not even sure he's been medically cleared to play yet.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

I took him at 4.03 in a 16 team TE league with 2 flex spots that can utilize a TE. Took Myers in the ninth.

I fully expected him to miss the first 6 weeks when I drafted him, and maybe he still will, but the latest news has been encouraging and if he's back in the first few weeks, him and whoever you start if he's out could still get you TE1 overall production. Him and Graham are on another level and really should provide your team a big advantage depending on scoring and roster rules if his career path continues on the same arc.

He's still the ultimate risk this year, but for a guy who could finish in the top 5-10 at the WR/TE position, he'll be a steal in the rounds most have drafted him in.

 

[Bob Magaw]

I think people are dreaming that Gronk will play Week 1. He hasn't practiced or seen any contact in what, 9 months? And I am not even sure he's been medically cleared to play yet.

what is your best guess...

missing first 2-3 weeks?

 

[Anarchy99]

I think people are dreaming that Gronk will play Week 1. He hasn't practiced or seen any contact in what, 9 months? And I am not even sure he's been medically cleared to play yet.

what is your best guess...

missing first 2-3 weeks?

That seems to be the common belief. I have seen reports of him back in Week 3 or Week 4, but truthfully no one really knows. He hasn't had any contact yet. I would guess how he does recovering from contact would be a tough thing to predict. So missing 2-3 weeks seems as good a guess as any barring any setbacks.

 

[bengalbuck]

I think people are dreaming that Gronk will play Week 1. He hasn't practiced or seen any contact in what, 9 months? And I am not even sure he's been medically cleared to play yet.

what is your best guess...missing first 2-3 weeks?

Just looking at the schedule, I don't think they need to rush him back for the Bills or the Jets. I'd be shocked if he plays week 1 or 2.

They have 10 days off between the Jets and Bucs, so possibly week 3. This may be a bit soon and not sure they really need him for TB.

Week 4 is a prime time matchup vs. the Falcons in Atlanta. Just based on timing and the schedule, this might be the most likely return date.

Week 5 is at the Bengals. Have to think he is probably back for this game at the latest.

 

[Ilov80s]

The thing with Gronk is even if he misses 6 games, you can replace him with a TE you take in one of the last rounds of your draft to play those 6 games. That combination will likely outperform even Jimmy Graham and a all but 15 WRs.

 

[Kenny Powers]

The thing with Gronk is even if he misses 6 games, you can replace him with a TE you take in one of the last rounds of your draft to play those 6 games. That combination will likely outperform even Jimmy Graham and a all but 15 WRs.

Yep. If add together what I have projected for Gronk, plus 6/16ths of what I have for Jordan Cameron, that puts my TE's season total only a few points behind Graham and at WR11.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Everything coming out about this has been really consistent for months now -- 12 weeks to a full recovery, originally timed with the arm surgery to get back for Week 1. The timing got thrown off a bit by having to wait for the infection in the arm to clear, but the idea was the same. 12 weeks. Six weeks to heal and six weeks to get back in shape.

There's been nothing to the contrary except some ill-time speculation about lying perfectly still for 12 weeks in a dark room while unable to use the heavy silver to feed himself.

So barring any late setbacks I'm figuring on a something like a limited snap count Week 3, with some high-value targets included. Closer to a full workload Week 4, with his fantasy impact nearly 100%. Week 5 or Week 6 all systems go. Give or take.

 

[LawFitz]

The thing with Gronk is even if he misses 6 games, you can replace him with a TE you take in one of the last rounds of your draft to play those 6 games. That combination will likely outperform even Jimmy Graham and a all but 15 WRs.

Yep. If add together what I have projected for Gronk, plus 6/16ths of what I have for Jordan Cameron, that puts my TE's season total only a few points behind Graham and at WR11.

Too many people don't seem to recognize that head-to-head is a PPG game. And later PPG matters way more than earlier PPG. Oh well, just another misconception to exploit.

 

[humpback]

The thing with Gronk is even if he misses 6 games, you can replace him with a TE you take in one of the last rounds of your draft to play those 6 games. That combination will likely outperform even Jimmy Graham and a all but 15 WRs.

Yep. If add together what I have projected for Gronk, plus 6/16ths of what I have for Jordan Cameron, that puts my TE's season total only a few points behind Graham and at WR11.

Too many people don't seem to recognize that head-to-head is a PPG game. And later PPG matters way more than earlier PPG. Oh well, just another misconception to exploit.

Huh?

 

[cusefan115]

The thing with Gronk is even if he misses 6 games, you can replace him with a TE you take in one of the last rounds of your draft to play those 6 games. That combination will likely outperform even Jimmy Graham and a all but 15 WRs.

Yep. If add together what I have projected for Gronk, plus 6/16ths of what I have for Jordan Cameron, that puts my TE's season total only a few points behind Graham and at WR11.

Too many people don't seem to recognize that head-to-head is a PPG game. And later PPG matters way more than earlier PPG. Oh well, just another misconception to exploit.

Huh?

You are in the playoffs (hopefully) later in the year. Each loss is magnified.

 

[Adam Harstad]

The thing with Gronk is even if he misses 6 games, you can replace him with a TE you take in one of the last rounds of your draft to play those 6 games. That combination will likely outperform even Jimmy Graham and a all but 15 WRs.

Yep. If add together what I have projected for Gronk, plus 6/16ths of what I have for Jordan Cameron, that puts my TE's season total only a few points behind Graham and at WR11.

Too many people don't seem to recognize that head-to-head is a PPG game. And later PPG matters way more than earlier PPG. Oh well, just another misconception to exploit.

Huh?

Put it this way: would you rather have the highest score in the league in weeks 1, 2, and 3, or in weeks 14, 15, and 16?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Put it this way: would you rather have the highest score in the league in weeks 1, 2, and 3, or in weeks 14, 15, and 16?

Oooh, oooh! Pick me! I know this one!

(1-8 in semifinals last year)

 

[Half in the bag]

The thing with Gronk is even if he misses 6 games, you can replace him with a TE you take in one of the last rounds of your draft to play those 6 games. That combination will likely outperform even Jimmy Graham and a all but 15 WRs.

Yep. If add together what I have projected for Gronk, plus 6/16ths of what I have for Jordan Cameron, that puts my TE's season total only a few points behind Graham and at WR11.

Too many people don't seem to recognize that head-to-head is a PPG game. And later PPG matters way more than earlier PPG. Oh well, just another misconception to exploit.

Huh?

Put it this way: would you rather have the highest score in the league in weeks 1, 2, and 3, or in weeks 14, 15, and 16?

you have to get to the playoffs first

 

[ImTheScientist]

The thing with Gronk is even if he misses 6 games, you can replace him with a TE you take in one of the last rounds of your draft to play those 6 games. That combination will likely outperform even Jimmy Graham and a all but 15 WRs.

Yep. If add together what I have projected for Gronk, plus 6/16ths of what I have for Jordan Cameron, that puts my TE's season total only a few points behind Graham and at WR11.

Too many people don't seem to recognize that head-to-head is a PPG game. And later PPG matters way more than earlier PPG. Oh well, just another misconception to exploit.

Huh?

Put it this way: would you rather have the highest score in the league in weeks 1, 2, and 3, or in weeks 14, 15, and 16?

you have to get to the playoffs first

YUP.... and Im not sure why someone would want to start in that sort of hole.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

you have to get to the playoffs first

In many leagues, half the teams make the playoffs. In almost all leagues, a third or more do.I'm perfectly willing to draft guys who start the season injured (or suspended) if they're likely to significantly outperform their ADP down the stretch. If you're worried about starting 1-4 and being out of the playoff hunt while waiting for a rare talent like Gronk to get back, your team probably wasn't strong enough to win the whole thing anyway.

 

[Adam Harstad]

you have to get to the playoffs first

In many leagues, half the teams make the playoffs. In almost all leagues, a third or more do.I'm perfectly willing to draft guys who start the season injured (or suspended) if they're likely to significantly outperform their ADP down the stretch. If you're worried about starting 1-4 and being out of the playoff hunt while waiting for a rare talent like Gronk to get back, your team probably wasn't strong enough to win the whole thing anyway.

This. If a 4th rounder underperforms for a couple of weeks to start the season, it won't substantially hurt your chances of making the playoffs. Most 3rd or 4th rounders underperform, anyway. If you draft Jimmy Graham and he starts the season slowly, performing as a low-end TE1 over the first four weeks, would you say you have no chance of making the playoffs? Because that's basically Rob Gronkowski- he's a better Jimmy Graham who will just have a slow start to the season, performing as a low-end TE1 over the first four weeks.

Quick question for everyone: if you drafted Jason Witten in the 4th round last year, would you say your hopes of making the playoffs were shot? Because through four weeks last year, Jason Witten ranked FIFTEENTH in the league (14th in PPR), before finishing as TE3 over the last 12 games (TE1 in PPR). How many of the guys who missed the playoffs last year were blaming it on Jason Witten? How many of you would spend a 4th round pick for Jason Witten's 2012 production in PPR leagues? That's basically what Gronk is- 4 weeks of TE15, plus 12 weeks of TE1.

 

[Anarchy99]

All this rhetoric is great, and in the main, I would agree that even no or limited production from Gronk early on could be overcome with a strong showing later in the season. We will have to see how this plays out, but it seems like a given to many people that Gronk consistently will put up 100% production from October on. And there has been ZERO talk about Gronk having a setback or missing additional time over the last two thirds of the season. I know, I know. You can't predict injuries. But Gronk is already starting the season in a weakened state, so IMO to be concerned that he may stay or get more banged up does not seem so crazy to me.

Yes, Witten underperformed early last year and came on late to have a solid season. Except he wasn't coming off of 4 surgeries and an entire offseason with no contact, no reps, no practice, and not even working out.

 

[Leonidas]

you have to get to the playoffs first

In many leagues, half the teams make the playoffs. In almost all leagues, a third or more do.I'm perfectly willing to draft guys who start the season injured (or suspended) if they're likely to significantly outperform their ADP down the stretch. If you're worried about starting 1-4 and being out of the playoff hunt while waiting for a rare talent like Gronk to get back, your team probably wasn't strong enough to win the whole thing anyway.

This. If a 4th rounder underperforms for a couple of weeks to start the season, it won't substantially hurt your chances of making the playoffs. Most 3rd or 4th rounders underperform, anyway. If you draft Jimmy Graham and he starts the season slowly, performing as a low-end TE1 over the first four weeks, would you say you have no chance of making the playoffs? Because that's basically Rob Gronkowski- he's a better Jimmy Graham who will just have a slow start to the season, performing as a low-end TE1 over the first four weeks.

Quick question for everyone: if you drafted Jason Witten in the 4th round last year, would you say your hopes of making the playoffs were shot? Because through four weeks last year, Jason Witten ranked FIFTEENTH in the league (14th in PPR), before finishing as TE3 over the last 12 games (TE1 in PPR). How many of the guys who missed the playoffs last year were blaming it on Jason Witten? How many of you would spend a 4th round pick for Jason Witten's 2012 production in PPR leagues? That's basically what Gronk is- 4 weeks of TE15, plus 12 weeks of TE1.

I took Witten in my main league last year. I started the season 1-5, and Witten certainly was a factor. Yes, 1-5. I was irate with myself and my team.

The difference here is that Witten did start, and he did play, and I did start him early in the season in some games I shouldn't have.

I finished really strong, but it was too late. I missed the playoffs (4/12 went) and won the consolation bracket to finish 5/12 overall.

Buuuut I had many other problems with my team...like MJD at 1.11. (it was an early draft), crappy WR's, and reaching too far on San Francisco.

 

[ponchsox]

The point of drafting Gronk after round 4 is to bolster an already strong team. If you can't survive a few games without Gronk, chances are you did a poor job drafting elsewhere.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

It's rare to see Yudkin as such a pats pessimist

 

[Banger]

It's rare to see Yukon as such a pats pessimist

Where is that? An article?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

It's rare to see Yukon as such a pats pessimist

Where is that? An article?

Dang iPad auto correct

 

[Gottabesweet]

Thinking about him at 4.1 in a keep 2 league, would be great value to keep at 4th round price next year.

 

[Half in the bag]

you have to get to the playoffs first

In many leagues, half the teams make the playoffs. In almost all leagues, a third or more do.I'm perfectly willing to draft guys who start the season injured (or suspended) if they're likely to significantly outperform their ADP down the stretch. If you're worried about starting 1-4 and being out of the playoff hunt while waiting for a rare talent like Gronk to get back, your team probably wasn't strong enough to win the whole thing anyway.

This. If a 4th rounder underperforms for a couple of weeks to start the season, it won't substantially hurt your chances of making the playoffs. Most 3rd or 4th rounders underperform, anyway. If you draft Jimmy Graham and he starts the season slowly, performing as a low-end TE1 over the first four weeks, would you say you have no chance of making the playoffs? Because that's basically Rob Gronkowski- he's a better Jimmy Graham who will just have a slow start to the season, performing as a low-end TE1 over the first four weeks.

Quick question for everyone: if you drafted Jason Witten in the 4th round last year, would you say your hopes of making the playoffs were shot? Because through four weeks last year, Jason Witten ranked FIFTEENTH in the league (14th in PPR), before finishing as TE3 over the last 12 games (TE1 in PPR). How many of the guys who missed the playoffs last year were blaming it on Jason Witten? How many of you would spend a 4th round pick for Jason Witten's 2012 production in PPR leagues? That's basically what Gronk is- 4 weeks of TE15, plus 12 weeks of TE1.

Fair enough.

I guess a lot depends on how your draft is going up until that point If your taking him in the 4th round and later, then yeah the value is there. If you grab him in the 3rd, what are you passing up on. Lets say you go RB,RB, Gronk. Whats your WR1 gonna be. Your probably looking at guys like Bowe, Colston or Nicks as your WR1 at that point. Those receivers aren't terrible but they look lot worse if your TE1 is out for the first three games. I would definitely rather RB, RB, AJ (Hou), Cruz, QB, VDavis. Just for example

 

[pollardsvision]

you have to get to the playoffs first

In many leagues, half the teams make the playoffs. In almost all leagues, a third or more do.I'm perfectly willing to draft guys who start the season injured (or suspended) if they're likely to significantly outperform their ADP down the stretch. If you're worried about starting 1-4 and being out of the playoff hunt while waiting for a rare talent like Gronk to get back, your team probably wasn't strong enough to win the whole thing anyway.

This. If a 4th rounder underperforms for a couple of weeks to start the season, it won't substantially hurt your chances of making the playoffs. Most 3rd or 4th rounders underperform, anyway. If you draft Jimmy Graham and he starts the season slowly, performing as a low-end TE1 over the first four weeks, would you say you have no chance of making the playoffs? Because that's basically Rob Gronkowski- he's a better Jimmy Graham who will just have a slow start to the season, performing as a low-end TE1 over the first four weeks.

Quick question for everyone: if you drafted Jason Witten in the 4th round last year, would you say your hopes of making the playoffs were shot? Because through four weeks last year, Jason Witten ranked FIFTEENTH in the league (14th in PPR), before finishing as TE3 over the last 12 games (TE1 in PPR). How many of the guys who missed the playoffs last year were blaming it on Jason Witten? How many of you would spend a 4th round pick for Jason Witten's 2012 production in PPR leagues? That's basically what Gronk is- 4 weeks of TE15, plus 12 weeks of TE1.

Fair enough.

I guess a lot depends on how your draft is going up until that point If your taking him in the 4th round and later, then yeah the value is there. If you grab him in the 3rd, what are you passing up on. Lets say you go RB,RB, Gronk. Whats your WR1 gonna be. Your probably looking at guys like Bowe, Colston or Nicks as your WR1 at that point. Those receivers aren't terrible but they look lot worse if your TE1 is out for the first three games. I would definitely rather RB, RB, AJ (Hou), Cruz, QB, VDavis. Just for example

That would seem to be about the cut-off to me. Are you taking him over a rocksolid WR2 like a Colston or Bowe? Or is he slipping past that point where things start to get dicey at other positions?

He's now going in the 5th round in ESPN leagues, which seems about right. When the draft is passing from fairly reliable difference makers to more risky options.

Having a TE on the shelf a few weeks isn't a huge deal. Weakening the rest of the roster to acquire a TE that'll be on the shelf a few weeks is a problem though.

 

[Leonidas]

you have to get to the playoffs first

In many leagues, half the teams make the playoffs. In almost all leagues, a third or more do.I'm perfectly willing to draft guys who start the season injured (or suspended) if they're likely to significantly outperform their ADP down the stretch. If you're worried about starting 1-4 and being out of the playoff hunt while waiting for a rare talent like Gronk to get back, your team probably wasn't strong enough to win the whole thing anyway.

This. If a 4th rounder underperforms for a couple of weeks to start the season, it won't substantially hurt your chances of making the playoffs. Most 3rd or 4th rounders underperform, anyway. If you draft Jimmy Graham and he starts the season slowly, performing as a low-end TE1 over the first four weeks, would you say you have no chance of making the playoffs? Because that's basically Rob Gronkowski- he's a better Jimmy Graham who will just have a slow start to the season, performing as a low-end TE1 over the first four weeks.

Quick question for everyone: if you drafted Jason Witten in the 4th round last year, would you say your hopes of making the playoffs were shot? Because through four weeks last year, Jason Witten ranked FIFTEENTH in the league (14th in PPR), before finishing as TE3 over the last 12 games (TE1 in PPR). How many of the guys who missed the playoffs last year were blaming it on Jason Witten? How many of you would spend a 4th round pick for Jason Witten's 2012 production in PPR leagues? That's basically what Gronk is- 4 weeks of TE15, plus 12 weeks of TE1.

Fair enough.

I guess a lot depends on how your draft is going up until that point If your taking him in the 4th round and later, then yeah the value is there. If you grab him in the 3rd, what are you passing up on. Lets say you go RB,RB, Gronk. Whats your WR1 gonna be. Your probably looking at guys like Bowe, Colston or Nicks as your WR1 at that point. Those receivers aren't terrible but they look lot worse if your TE1 is out for the first three games. I would definitely rather RB, RB, AJ (Hou), Cruz, QB, VDavis. Just for example

That would seem to be about the cut-off to me. Are you taking him over a rocksolid WR2 like a Colston or Bowe? Or is he slipping past that point where things start to get dicey at other positions?

He's now going in the 5th round in ESPN leagues, which seems about right. When the draft is passing from fairly reliable difference makers to more risky options.

Having a TE on the shelf a few weeks isn't a huge deal. Weakening the rest of the roster to acquire a TE that'll be on the shelf a few weeks is a problem though.

I agree. Round 5, when you have 2 RB's and 2 WR's already, is excellent. That's what I did. I had 5.02 so I probably just beat some guys out

 

[cstu]

The thing with Gronk is even if he misses 6 games, you can replace him with a TE you take in one of the last rounds of your draft to play those 6 games. That combination will likely outperform even Jimmy Graham and a all but 15 WRs.

Yep. If add together what I have projected for Gronk, plus 6/16ths of what I have for Jordan Cameron, that puts my TE's season total only a few points behind Graham and at WR11.

Too many people don't seem to recognize that head-to-head is a PPG game. And later PPG matters way more than earlier PPG. Oh well, just another misconception to exploit.

Huh?

Put it this way: would you rather have the highest score in the league in weeks 1, 2, and 3, or in weeks 14, 15, and 16?

you have to get to the playoffs first

YUP.... and Im not sure why someone would want to start in that sort of hole.

Your goal is win the title, not have the best record in your league. If you slip into the playoffs at 7-6 but have a strong team plus Gronk who you drafted at the end of the 4th or in the 5th then your chances are very good of winning the SB.

 

[cstu]

you have to get to the playoffs first

In many leagues, half the teams make the playoffs. In almost all leagues, a third or more do.I'm perfectly willing to draft guys who start the season injured (or suspended) if they're likely to significantly outperform their ADP down the stretch. If you're worried about starting 1-4 and being out of the playoff hunt while waiting for a rare talent like Gronk to get back, your team probably wasn't strong enough to win the whole thing anyway.

This. If a 4th rounder underperforms for a couple of weeks to start the season, it won't substantially hurt your chances of making the playoffs. Most 3rd or 4th rounders underperform, anyway. If you draft Jimmy Graham and he starts the season slowly, performing as a low-end TE1 over the first four weeks, would you say you have no chance of making the playoffs? Because that's basically Rob Gronkowski- he's a better Jimmy Graham who will just have a slow start to the season, performing as a low-end TE1 over the first four weeks.

Quick question for everyone: if you drafted Jason Witten in the 4th round last year, would you say your hopes of making the playoffs were shot? Because through four weeks last year, Jason Witten ranked FIFTEENTH in the league (14th in PPR), before finishing as TE3 over the last 12 games (TE1 in PPR). How many of the guys who missed the playoffs last year were blaming it on Jason Witten? How many of you would spend a 4th round pick for Jason Witten's 2012 production in PPR leagues? That's basically what Gronk is- 4 weeks of TE15, plus 12 weeks of TE1.

Fair enough.

I guess a lot depends on how your draft is going up until that point If your taking him in the 4th round and later, then yeah the value is there. If you grab him in the 3rd, what are you passing up on. Lets say you go RB,RB, Gronk. Whats your WR1 gonna be. Your probably looking at guys like Bowe, Colston or Nicks as your WR1 at that point. Those receivers aren't terrible but they look lot worse if your TE1 is out for the first three games. I would definitely rather RB, RB, AJ (Hou), Cruz, QB, VDavis. Just for example

That would seem to be about the cut-off to me. Are you taking him over a rocksolid WR2 like a Colston or Bowe? Or is he slipping past that point where things start to get dicey at other positions?

He's now going in the 5th round in ESPN leagues, which seems about right. When the draft is passing from fairly reliable difference makers to more risky options.

Having a TE on the shelf a few weeks isn't a huge deal. Weakening the rest of the roster to acquire a TE that'll be on the shelf a few weeks is a problem though.

I agree. Round 5, when you have 2 RB's and 2 WR's already, is excellent. That's what I did. I had 5.02 so I probably just beat some guys out

Who got picked right before him?

 

[Leonidas]

you have to get to the playoffs first

In many leagues, half the teams make the playoffs. In almost all leagues, a third or more do.I'm perfectly willing to draft guys who start the season injured (or suspended) if they're likely to significantly outperform their ADP down the stretch. If you're worried about starting 1-4 and being out of the playoff hunt while waiting for a rare talent like Gronk to get back, your team probably wasn't strong enough to win the whole thing anyway.

This. If a 4th rounder underperforms for a couple of weeks to start the season, it won't substantially hurt your chances of making the playoffs. Most 3rd or 4th rounders underperform, anyway. If you draft Jimmy Graham and he starts the season slowly, performing as a low-end TE1 over the first four weeks, would you say you have no chance of making the playoffs? Because that's basically Rob Gronkowski- he's a better Jimmy Graham who will just have a slow start to the season, performing as a low-end TE1 over the first four weeks.

Quick question for everyone: if you drafted Jason Witten in the 4th round last year, would you say your hopes of making the playoffs were shot? Because through four weeks last year, Jason Witten ranked FIFTEENTH in the league (14th in PPR), before finishing as TE3 over the last 12 games (TE1 in PPR). How many of the guys who missed the playoffs last year were blaming it on Jason Witten? How many of you would spend a 4th round pick for Jason Witten's 2012 production in PPR leagues? That's basically what Gronk is- 4 weeks of TE15, plus 12 weeks of TE1.

Fair enough.

I guess a lot depends on how your draft is going up until that point If your taking him in the 4th round and later, then yeah the value is there. If you grab him in the 3rd, what are you passing up on. Lets say you go RB,RB, Gronk. Whats your WR1 gonna be. Your probably looking at guys like Bowe, Colston or Nicks as your WR1 at that point. Those receivers aren't terrible but they look lot worse if your TE1 is out for the first three games. I would definitely rather RB, RB, AJ (Hou), Cruz, QB, VDavis. Just for example

That would seem to be about the cut-off to me. Are you taking him over a rocksolid WR2 like a Colston or Bowe? Or is he slipping past that point where things start to get dicey at other positions?

He's now going in the 5th round in ESPN leagues, which seems about right. When the draft is passing from fairly reliable difference makers to more risky options.

Having a TE on the shelf a few weeks isn't a huge deal. Weakening the rest of the roster to acquire a TE that'll be on the shelf a few weeks is a problem though.

I agree. Round 5, when you have 2 RB's and 2 WR's already, is excellent. That's what I did. I had 5.02 so I probably just beat some guys out

Who got picked right before him?

Reggie Wayne went immediately prior to Gronk, in mine.

 

[pollardsvision]

Off topic, but I think too many teams make the playoffs in most leagues. It should be 4 teams in for 12 and 10 team leagues.

Fantasy football has enough BS involved to begin with. Putting half the teams in the playoffs is just silly. Not that I've been able to convince most of my leagues of this though.

 

[T with T]

I got gronk in the 9th in my draft sunday LOL how was that for value. 9.2

 

[Leonidas]

Off topic, but I think too many teams make the playoffs in most leagues. It should be 4 teams in for 12 and 10 team leagues.

Fantasy football has enough BS involved to begin with. Putting half the teams in the playoffs is just silly. Not that I've been able to convince most of my leagues of this though.

I agree. I think it should be 4 to the playoffs in 10 or 12 team leagues.

I got outvoted in my home league this season though, and had to switch it to 6. :(

At least the top two get a bye so if you excel all season you effectively get into a 4-team playoff bracket.

 

[KellysHeroes]

its hard to trust a guy that hasn't been able to do much training all off-season and put him on the field during a football season.

 

[McGarnicle]

Just snagged Gronk at 5.6 and Sudfeld in the 10th in a 12 team league. Pretty happy with that.

 

[Stryker]

Considering Him At 3.03 Depending What'sThereFLateror Rb Or Wr, ProbaBly Pass On Gronk, Take A Wr AndThen WItten later

 

[Adam Harstad]

I got gronk in the 9th in my draft sunday LOL how was that for value. 9.2

I wouldn't brag about that too much, because it means you also PASSED on Gronk in the 8th...

 

[mbuehner]

It occurs to me that im allowed to start another TE if/when Gronk is out... and that even if I blanked at the draft and took some hump off the wire he will only be a nominal amount of points distant from the TE 6-11 ill usually play against. And then Gronk comes back. So I can add their projections together. Huh.

 

[HurryUpSundays]

its hard to trust a guy that hasn't been able to do much training all off-season and put him on the field during a football season.

This, along with the inevitable week-in week-out questionable tag that BB loves to toy with, led me to deal Gronk this afternoon. Hurt me doing so, but I've also got Jordy and McFadden - and short benches - and feel like it was the smart move in the long run, but I know there are going to be weeks in December where I'll regret it.

 

[Ilov80s]

The point of drafting Gronk after round 4 is to bolster an already strong team. If you can't survive a few games without Gronk, chances are you did a poor job drafting elsewhere.

Agreed. He is the HR swing when your bases are already loaded. He is the cherry in your sundae.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Cutting fells and Ballard is all we need to know about his health. All summer its been o e of those 2 taking the gronk role while sudfeld and/or vereen take the Hernandez assignments. Gronk may be back sooner than we think.

 

[Ilov80s]

The other positive about Gronk is that he is the best red zone threat in the NFL. No other player can play less snaps and expect such great fantasy output.

 

[Half in the bag]

I got gronk in the 9th in my draft sunday LOL how was that for value. 9.2

Six team league?

 

[Half in the bag]

Cutting fells and Ballard is all we need to know about his health. All summer its been o e of those 2 taking the gronk role while sudfeld and/or vereen take the Hernandez assignments. Gronk may be back sooner than we think.

Still hearing end of sept. Its sounds like being healthy enough to play and getting into game shape are only hurdles left for him to clear.

 

[Adam Harstad]

It occurs to me that im allowed to start another TE if/when Gronk is out... and that even if I blanked at the draft and took some hump off the wire he will only be a nominal amount of points distant from the TE 6-11 ill usually play against. And then Gronk comes back. So I can add their projections together. Huh.

This is why PPG matters so much more than total points. It's even better to use VBDPG, but that's not nearly as quick or easy to calculate. Take a player's PPG, multiply by 16, subtract the baseline to get his pro-rated VBD total, then divide by 16 to get how much extra value he added to your franchise per game. For double bonus extra credit, multiply VBDPG by games played to get how much total value a player provided. A guy who adds 10 VBDPG and plays 8 games is more valuable as a guy who adds 2 VBDPG and plays 16 games, even if the latter guy scores substantially more points. The first guy is basically a half season of Doug Martin last year (actually, slightly more valuable per game than Martin). The second guy is basically BenJarvus Green-Ellis last year. Which would you rather have, a half season of Martin, or a full season of Law Firm?

This is also the major weakness of projections. I can expect that Lance Moore will score more points than Justin Blackmon and STILL prefer Blackmon because Lance Moore won't score more points than Blackmon and whatever scrub I roll out during his four-week suspension combined.

 

[ldizzle]

Gronk not placed on pup

 

[oswizzle]

This is guy is one good Hit from being placed on I.R once he plays... You guys really think after all the recent medical drama he's had..that he's going to play like he did b4?

4th rd pick for a guy who's iffy sounds like a bad idea