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TE T.J. Hockenson, MIN (1 Viewer)
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Lions’ Pro Bowl TE T.J. Hockenson underwent thumb surgery this morning with the renowned hand-specialist Dr. Thomas Graham, and is expected to make a complete recovery in time for the off-season program, sources tell ESPN. But Hockenson’s 2021 is over.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I know this sucks for those with him in redraft, but as long as he is back next year 100% the extra time off should help.
zamboni
Footballguy
At the beginning of the year, sure seemed like he was going to migrate to that upper tier of TEs. Between injuries and terrible QB play, it obviously didn’t quite happen. I imagine the Lions will upgrade considerably at WR, so have to think he’ll be facing more competition for targets next year in the receiving game.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
First 2 (or was it 3?) weeks were like OK TJ I see you’re the next Kittle. Rest of the year was he’s pretty good. Usually. Unless he’s not.
I imagine they’ll exercise his 5th year option this off-season. Is he worth extending? Honestly don’t know. His blocking regressed this year. Several untimely penalties. I don’t t think I’m being overly critical in saying he was not a good football player a good chunk of the year.
But maybe that’s just who he is, a notch below Andrews/Waller/Kelce . If he stays healthy he’ll be around a long, long time, but is he worth what it will take to extend him?
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We operate in a keeper league where you are allowed keep the guy 2 rounds earlier than when you drafted him and then the next year another two rounds. So say I drafted mahones in th10th 2 years ago, last year he would be my 8th round pick and this year my 6th round pick
Long story short I have had Hock since he was a rookie and I have to keep him as a 7th round pick...I'm not sure what to do here. He flashes but overall he is borderline waiver wire material
Long story short I have had Hock since he was a rookie and I have to keep him as a 7th round pick...I'm not sure what to do here. He flashes but overall he is borderline waiver wire material
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
If every team can do that with as many players as they want, then there's no way I'm taking whatever is available in the 7th round over Hockenson. If it was a full 12-team redraft, I think I would still be inclined to take Hock for my 7th.
Thanks for your two cents on it. I'm still pretty torn.
The rookies are all free of course and all the good tes are free as well (they get drafted too high anyway). Plus some movement and players like Njoku...TEs aren't huge keepers year to year because most flame out
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
I guess the dynamic of the keeper rules isn't even that much of a factor if there's a large number of people just skipping their picks in the first 7 rounds to keep their stars. Fantasypros #68 consensus, so bottom of the 6th round value for a 7th. Hard to know what else might fall to you there, but I think there's enough upside there to keep, even with the WR additions. He would have to take a big step forward to pay a 5th rounder next year.
You'll also have a round or more's worth of players who are more valuable than Hock who are being kept for 8th round picks or later, so there's definitely some extra value vs ADP here.
I think Hock improves next year - the offense will have good deep threats to keep him from getting double-teamed in the middle of the field next year, and the offense will be better in general, which will lead to more TD opportunities for him. I'd expect fewer targets and a small decline in catches from his pace last year, but more yards and TDs overall.
I think Hock improves next year - the offense will have good deep threats to keep him from getting double-teamed in the middle of the field next year, and the offense will be better in general, which will lead to more TD opportunities for him. I'd expect fewer targets and a small decline in catches from his pace last year, but more yards and TDs overall.
Thanks for thoughts
My problem is just that I have been all in on this guy since he started and I think I have fatigue believing that this will be the year
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
Thanks for thoughts
My problem is just that I have been all in on this guy since he started and I think I have fatigue believing that this will be the year
Possible trade bait if he has a TD / big game week 1? I would look at last year's round 7 draft results. Even if Hockenson is middle of the road, I don't know how likely it is that you find someone that's clearly better. I would think a lot of feast and famine WRs or committee RBs at that spot. On the flip side, I think there's a world where Hockenson takes a step and becomes one of the TEs that matter.
If he merely stays healthy, you should still have something decent to show for your 7th, but I know this hasn't been a sure thing with him.
The Frankman
Footballguy
As a hock owner that has waited years for him to reach his potential he rarely has looked good (fantasy wise)
The Frankman
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Wouldn’t be surprised if he is heavily featured this week. WRs banged up, two best playmakers out, will see lots more f 12 formations and jumbo packages. Got in a full practice on Friday (Chark & Josh Reynolds we’re both limited.)
titusbramble
Footballguy
Starting over Ertz, if he does nothing tomorrow then probably moving on
crushedspirit
Footballguy
Hock and Henry carried all my rosters to victory. Hope they keep targeting him.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
Your user name is how I feel today. Losing to Goff and Hockenson like that feels completely laughable and could not believe Goff outscored my Josh Allen and Hockenson outscored my Justin Jefferson. Just beyond a stupid ****ing hobby, let me tell you.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
44+ for me yesterday in 2 leagues.
So happy I didn't panic after weeks 1-2. I had quite a few offers in my redraft for him - rejected all flatly. I know this was a byproduct of several receivers being out, plus a shootout, but with that defense, I expect more shootouts, and IMO they'll continue to use him deep and in RZ here forward.
So happy I didn't panic after weeks 1-2. I had quite a few offers in my redraft for him - rejected all flatly. I know this was a byproduct of several receivers being out, plus a shootout, but with that defense, I expect more shootouts, and IMO they'll continue to use him deep and in RZ here forward.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
In 1.5 years somebody will give him 4/$60M or 5/$75M based on games like yesterday
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
2023 5th year option already used for 9.4 M, no extension or franchise tag I'm guessing?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Doesn’t seem like good resource allocation to me but I’ll trust whatever Holmes decides.
Seems like most Lions fans are ready to move on? Market floor is around $14-15M rn.
Historically Detroit has invested more draft capital on TEs than maybe other franchise.
- 3rd round - 1968 (HoF Charlie Sanders), 1973, 1995
- 2nd round - 1987, 1997
- 1st round - 1984, 2009, 2014, 2019
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Yes, that kind of long term money could buy them a quality defensive player, which right now is the obvious priority. The offense should survive without a high priced TE.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Or they could spend the #4 pick next year on the best TE prospect ever, but then not use him for more than half the game or so and rarely throw him the ball.
ETA: We call that "pulling an Atlanta."
The Frankman
Footballguy
karl.Racki
Footballguy
His value just decreased too.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I don't necessarily agree with that.
Vikings have wanted to get the TE involved all year - Irv hasn't been that good. Hock is a significant upgrade for them. And now Hock isn't competing with Swift & Jamaal for receptions.
Outside of one week where he went absolutely ham without Swift/ARSB, Hock hasn't been all that great on the Lions. And it's not like the Vikes have a stud defense to prevent shootouts.
Maybe a bit limited this week, but I don't see moving to a winning team with less competition for targets as a bad thing. Hock is a weapon - they didn't deal for him to not use him.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It's a little crazy seeing a trade within the division. As a Hock shareholder in my redraft IDP PPR I don't mind this deal. A little unexpected, but feels like a lateral. And Cousins will take more chances than Goff.
Irv
zamboni
Footballguy
I see it as somewhat neutral - he wasn't getting much use with the Lions, but at the same time, has to get used to a new offensive scheme and build chemistry with Cousins. Plus, Jefferson is a target hog so there's not a ton left on the bone after he, Cook and Thielen get theirs.
Cjw_55106
Footballguy
The Vikings and Lions traded during the draft as well. The Packers as well.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
A slight bump in my opinion. He will have room to roam free with JJ and Thielen out there, and is an upgrade from Irv.
The guy has the potential to be a monster. The Lions misused him tremendously. With Cook, JJ and Adam already in the mix, the sky is the limit for Hock.
I don't think his value decreased. It's either the same, or a slight-to-moderate increase. Vikes are a better team with a better offense that knows how to incorporate a pass-catching TE. Thielen is old, and there's no proven pass-catcher after Jefferson. Cousins is a better QB.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
And no more bracket coverage like he saw against NE.
karl.Racki
Footballguy
He went from being one of the top targets to Minnesota where he has to compete with Jefferson, Adam T, Cook for touches and targets.
Don't like this for him at all in terms of FF.
