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TE Taysom Hill, NO (1 Viewer)

Considering if you don't have Kelce or Andrews you're rolling the dice every week, having a "TE" that gets QB snaps and is quite good at running the wild cat, or can throw deep is an intriguing prospect. What's the worst that can happen? He gets a 0? I get those all the time from my other TEs.
I started Likely, Kmet, and Irv in my three leagues last weekend.

Granted Likely was a huge dart throw on a bad hunch.

But still. Yeah. I’d take a guy that’s maybe going to get 3-4 rushing attempts a game in week 2… knowing he’s produced last week and the coaching staff may have seen that on tape and use him more.

Having said that, I still wussed out and didn’t use my waiver on him.
 
I snagged him in a re-draft league...........10 teamer, start 3WRs, the rest is fairly standard.
I kept getting sniped in the draft, and "opted" to get Cole Kmet very late. He posted a zero. :wall: I know the game conditions were that of a monsoon in the second half, but still.....um 1 target? I'm a big believer in Kmet, and that situation but I can't keep getting zeroes either. Winning week 2 is just as important as winning week 13 at the end of the day.

That aside, Taysom Hill was sitting there on the wire. (also Logan Thomas, the rest was B.S. lol)
Do I think I might be chasing points? I don't know, but TEs in our leagues aren't that important, unless you get one of the top 2-3. The others you can kind of piecemeal weeks.

I know the book is out on Hill, but can he still manage to have a decent floor of 3-5 pts? Thats the question I'm asking myself. I see Logan Thomas sitting there, and I'm hovering my mouse over picking him up, not wanting to go the "untraditional route" with Hill.

I'm debating starting Hill one week and then reverting back to Thomas or someone else if it doesn't work out.
0-2 in said league doesn't look good. :banned:
 
There are not many consistent TEs out there that you can count on week in and week out so Hill should be compared to other mid tier TEs not to the top 3. Seems the knock on Hill is that he only gets looks near the RedZone and that he's not a full-time TE. Would you rather have a TE that plays all snaps until they get to the red zone? Noone says this about goal line backs/vultures or WRs like Mike Evans. Ata position that is so scarce, why not take the chance?
 
I think the bottom line is this, would you rather have a 95% chance that you’ve got yourself a mediocre TE (names mentioned: Logan Thomas, Kole Kmet, Gerald Everett, Hayden Hurst, etc) or a 5% chance that you end up with a cheat code hybrid player (or heaven forbid, full time QB) whom you can plug in at TE? I know which route I would gamble on.
 
One thing is for sure.

This thread is going to be full of people saying “I told you so” on Sunday.
That's funny; cuz it's true.
But also, if he does nothing, who cares. My regular TE wouldn't have either.
But my regular TE also won't rush for 2 TD's or throw for 1TD and have 75 rushing yards. Guaranteed.
So why not take the chance?
 
One thing is for sure.

This thread is going to be full of people saying “I told you so” on Sunday.
If I had to pick one side that will be disappointed, I'd say it's among those that are running up that Hill. Stranger things have happened though.
Right. But again, I don’t think anyone is taking Hill with the expectation that he’s going to be a fantasy savior at TE. But it’s the slight possibility that he could be, at a pretty unexciting position, that has owners taking the chance on him.
 
Ultimately what you're hoping for is finding a player who will keep up with the top 5 TEs even if it's in an unconventional way. Problem is most probably didn't start him week 1, and you're probably holding out week 2 (at least I am) to see if the usage is the same. By the time he's in your lineup defenses are keying on him and you're chasing points. I think you're hoping for 4-5 carries, 2-3 targets, and the 50/50 shot at a TD. If he cashes enough of those in he can keep up with the main guys.

I do wonder if fantasy sites would change his positional eligibility mid-season on the off chance he played QB exclusively.
 
Ultimately what you're hoping for is finding a player who will keep up with the top 5 TEs even if it's in an unconventional way. Problem is most probably didn't start him week 1, and you're probably holding out week 2 (at least I am) to see if the usage is the same. By the time he's in your lineup defenses are keying on him and you're chasing points. I think you're hoping for 4-5 carries, 2-3 targets, and the 50/50 shot at a TD. If he cashes enough of those in he can keep up with the main guys.

I do wonder if fantasy sites would change his positional eligibility mid-season on the off chance he played QB exclusively.

Anyone hoping for that is crazy.

I'm hoping for a TE on my bench to fill in during my TE's bye week. I'm dreaming of a couple weeks where Winston misses time and he gets to play QB for portions of games.
 
Ultimately what you're hoping for is finding a player who will keep up with the top 5 TEs even if it's in an unconventional way. Problem is most probably didn't start him week 1, and you're probably holding out week 2 (at least I am) to see if the usage is the same. By the time he's in your lineup defenses are keying on him and you're chasing points. I think you're hoping for 4-5 carries, 2-3 targets, and the 50/50 shot at a TD. If he cashes enough of those in he can keep up with the main guys.

I do wonder if fantasy sites would change his positional eligibility mid-season on the off chance he played QB exclusively.

Anyone hoping for that is crazy.

I'm hoping for a TE on my bench to fill in during my TE's bye week. I'm dreaming of a couple weeks where Winston misses time and he gets to play QB for portions of games.
Not really sure how you can say that. We don't exactly know his specific role yet. If he continues to get consistently weekly looks as a rusher/receiver what are his chances at 700 all-purpose yards and 10+ TDs?
 
Ultimately what you're hoping for is finding a player who will keep up with the top 5 TEs even if it's in an unconventional way. Problem is most probably didn't start him week 1, and you're probably holding out week 2 (at least I am) to see if the usage is the same. By the time he's in your lineup defenses are keying on him and you're chasing points. I think you're hoping for 4-5 carries, 2-3 targets, and the 50/50 shot at a TD. If he cashes enough of those in he can keep up with the main guys.

I do wonder if fantasy sites would change his positional eligibility mid-season on the off chance he played QB exclusively.

Anyone hoping for that is crazy.

I'm hoping for a TE on my bench to fill in during my TE's bye week. I'm dreaming of a couple weeks where Winston misses time and he gets to play QB for portions of games.
Not really sure how you can say that. We don't exactly know his specific role yet. If he continues to get consistently weekly looks as a rusher/receiver what are his chances at 700 all-purpose yards and 10+ TDs?
Pretty good? I mean we have a long history of the saints using him in all kinds of ways. It stands to reason they are going to want to keep him on the field, he’s definitely one of their best playmakers. He had over 500 total yards and 9 touchdowns in 2020 and Payton still had him playing QB then. If he’s focused exclusively on whatever role this is, it could increase.
 
Ultimately what you're hoping for is finding a player who will keep up with the top 5 TEs even if it's in an unconventional way. Problem is most probably didn't start him week 1, and you're probably holding out week 2 (at least I am) to see if the usage is the same. By the time he's in your lineup defenses are keying on him and you're chasing points. I think you're hoping for 4-5 carries, 2-3 targets, and the 50/50 shot at a TD. If he cashes enough of those in he can keep up with the main guys.

I do wonder if fantasy sites would change his positional eligibility mid-season on the off chance he played QB exclusively.

Anyone hoping for that is crazy.

I'm hoping for a TE on my bench to fill in during my TE's bye week. I'm dreaming of a couple weeks where Winston misses time and he gets to play QB for portions of games.
Not really sure how you can say that. We don't exactly know his specific role yet. If he continues to get consistently weekly looks as a rusher/receiver what are his chances at 700 all-purpose yards and 10+ TDs?
You said it yourself. We don't know his role.

I think if you are picking him up with the expectation of a top 5 TE... crazy.

I picked him up. I have no expectations beyond a bye week fill in for TE/flex. If his role increases through a Winston injury? OK, then I think top 5 TE is still crazy - crazy low - he will be TE1+++.
 
Ultimately what you're hoping for is finding a player who will keep up with the top 5 TEs even if it's in an unconventional way. Problem is most probably didn't start him week 1, and you're probably holding out week 2 (at least I am) to see if the usage is the same. By the time he's in your lineup defenses are keying on him and you're chasing points. I think you're hoping for 4-5 carries, 2-3 targets, and the 50/50 shot at a TD. If he cashes enough of those in he can keep up with the main guys.

I do wonder if fantasy sites would change his positional eligibility mid-season on the off chance he played QB exclusively.

Anyone hoping for that is crazy.

I'm hoping for a TE on my bench to fill in during my TE's bye week. I'm dreaming of a couple weeks where Winston misses time and he gets to play QB for portions of games.
Not really sure how you can say that. We don't exactly know his specific role yet. If he continues to get consistently weekly looks as a rusher/receiver what are his chances at 700 all-purpose yards and 10+ TDs?
Pretty good? I mean we have a long history of the saints using him in all kinds of ways. It stands to reason they are going to want to keep him on the field, he’s definitely one of their best playmakers. He had over 500 total yards and 9 touchdowns in 2020 and Payton still had him playing QB then. If he’s focused exclusively on whatever role this is, it could increase.
Exactly my point. If he's around 700 AP yards and 10 TDs he's right at the top 5 TEs in standard if not probably 3rd behind Kelce/Andrews.
 
Ultimately what you're hoping for is finding a player who will keep up with the top 5 TEs even if it's in an unconventional way. Problem is most probably didn't start him week 1, and you're probably holding out week 2 (at least I am) to see if the usage is the same. By the time he's in your lineup defenses are keying on him and you're chasing points. I think you're hoping for 4-5 carries, 2-3 targets, and the 50/50 shot at a TD. If he cashes enough of those in he can keep up with the main guys.

I do wonder if fantasy sites would change his positional eligibility mid-season on the off chance he played QB exclusively.

Anyone hoping for that is crazy.

I'm hoping for a TE on my bench to fill in during my TE's bye week. I'm dreaming of a couple weeks where Winston misses time and he gets to play QB for portions of games.
Not really sure how you can say that. We don't exactly know his specific role yet. If he continues to get consistently weekly looks as a rusher/receiver what are his chances at 700 all-purpose yards and 10+ TDs?
You said it yourself. We don't know his role.

I think if you are picking him up with the expectation of a top 5 TE... crazy.

I picked him up. I have no expectations beyond a bye week fill in for TE/flex. If his role increases through a Winston injury? OK, then I think top 5 TE is still crazy - crazy low - he will be TE1+++.
I didn't say I was expecting it. I said you pick him up hoping that he can keep up with those top guys. If they're deploying him inside the 10 every week he's a goal-line vulture that you can start at TE.
 
I'm running this guy out this weekend...can't be any worse than Likely or Kmet who both combined for ZERO points...might be nothing but I'm in if it ends up something of a habit. Which at this point I can totally see.
 
I'm running this guy out this weekend...can't be any worse than Likely or Kmet who both combined for ZERO points...might be nothing but I'm in if it ends up something of a habit. Which at this point I can totally see.
Nice avatar. Kamara seems to be a little dinged so maybe an even better chance Hill is involved in short yardage and red zone.
 
I dropped Kmet and picked Hill up but the more I thought about it I pivoted and dropped Hill and picked up Freiermuth. If we had a deeper bench I defintely would have kept Hill but we only have 4 reserve spots.
 
His 50/50 TD possibility is enough for me
Has he scored a TD in 50% of his games where he wasn't the starting QB?
I find it fascinating that everyone seems to think Week 1 is the norm.
Isn't it though? When he's healthy, the Saints have always found ways to get him involved haven't they? He makes plays whether he's a WR, RB, QB or TE. I'm seriously considering starting him over Frieiermuth. I haven't gone back and looked at all the stats from years past, but I can't remember many times that he played and wasn't a part of the game plan.
 
Isn't it though? When he's healthy, the Saints have always found ways to get him involved haven't they?

He scored 5 TDs the entire 2021 season (and 4 of them came in 2 games). How does that translate to a 50% chance at a TD each week?

He had a week like he had in Week 1 (scoring over 15 fantasy points), 4 times last season. He scored under 3 fantasy points in 9 different games (and 0 points in 5 of them) and under 10 points in 12 games.

Week 1 is likely the anomaly, not the norm.
 
Isn't it though? When he's healthy, the Saints have always found ways to get him involved haven't they?

He scored 5 TDs the entire 2021 season (and 4 of them came in 2 games). How does that translate to a 50% chance at a TD each week?

He had a week like he had in Week 1 (scoring over 15 fantasy points), 4 times last season. He scored under 3 fantasy points in 9 different games (and 0 points in 5 of them) and under 10 points in 12 games.

Week 1 is likely the anomaly, not the norm.
He was playing QB last year exclusively so maybe that's not the best comp. 2020, when he was more of the hybrid player that he is playing now, he had 8 rushing TD's, 1 receiving TD and 4 passing TDs. Maybe saying "the norm" isn't the best way to put it, but when he plays, he makes a bunch of positive plays.
 
His 50/50 TD possibility is enough for me
Has he scored a TD in 50% of his games where he wasn't the starting QB?
I find it fascinating that everyone seems to think Week 1 is the norm.
I definitely don’t think week 1 is the norm. I drafted Kittle and made little to no provisions for a decent backup TE. I have Hunter Henry level options. Think Hill is generally comparable with the possibility of tossing a TD or running one in
 
I missed on hill in my leagues where I need te help

my fomo is, he’s probably the saints best rb option this weekend

but the flip side is, it’s the bucs

i Foresee 54 yards with a .4 TD
 
Isn't it though? When he's healthy, the Saints have always found ways to get him involved haven't they?

He scored 5 TDs the entire 2021 season (and 4 of them came in 2 games). How does that translate to a 50% chance at a TD each week?

He had a week like he had in Week 1 (scoring over 15 fantasy points), 4 times last season. He scored under 3 fantasy points in 9 different games (and 0 points in 5 of them) and under 10 points in 12 games.

Week 1 is likely the anomaly, not the norm.
So...you're that guy that goes into a Saquon Barkley thread and then tries to crap on everyone's dreams?
Because you obviously don't have any Taysom shares, and hey, you do you. Best of luck to you.

But otherwise, you're kinda sad.
 
Isn't it though? When he's healthy, the Saints have always found ways to get him involved haven't they?

He scored 5 TDs the entire 2021 season (and 4 of them came in 2 games). How does that translate to a 50% chance at a TD each week?

He had a week like he had in Week 1 (scoring over 15 fantasy points), 4 times last season. He scored under 3 fantasy points in 9 different games (and 0 points in 5 of them) and under 10 points in 12 games.

Week 1 is likely the anomaly, not the norm.
So...you're that guy that goes into a Saquon Barkley thread and then tries to crap on everyone's dreams?
Because you obviously don't have any Taysom shares, and hey, you do you. Best of luck to you.

But otherwise, you're kinda sad.
Sorry I thought we were allowed to discuss player’s fantasy value in here. Sorry I hurt your feelings - and won’t post anything negative in here again. Maybe I’ll stop posting at all - so I don’t take up bandwidth from glorious posters like yourself, with all your great insights.
 
Update: the dude in my home league who picked up Hill is starting him at Flex over Ezekiel Elliott.

Usually a pretty sharp manager - I’m less than impressed with this move, though I do believe the Cowboys will struggle. Seems like this is when they’ll lean heaviest on Zeke/Pollard.
 
That’s clearly an insane move.
To be fair, he does smoke a lot of ganja. :shrug:

Also to be fair, he sometimes sets a wonky lineup then changes it just before game-time. I’ve seen owners do this over the years and just don’t get it. Like, it’s not real football where I’m gonna change my lineup because you set yours weird.
 
Also to be fair, he sometimes sets a wonky lineup then changes it just before game-time. I’ve seen owners do this over the years and just don’t get it. Like, it’s not real football where I’m gonna change my lineup because you set yours weird.

This is me, but not because I'm trying to get you to set a lineup a certain way. It's because I'm completely indecisive, and I change my lineup with each new bit of information I can glean from sources.
 
Isn't it though? When he's healthy, the Saints have always found ways to get him involved haven't they?

He scored 5 TDs the entire 2021 season (and 4 of them came in 2 games). How does that translate to a 50% chance at a TD each week?

He had a week like he had in Week 1 (scoring over 15 fantasy points), 4 times last season. He scored under 3 fantasy points in 9 different games (and 0 points in 5 of them) and under 10 points in 12 games.

Week 1 is likely the anomaly, not the norm.
So...you're that guy that goes into a Saquon Barkley thread and then tries to crap on everyone's dreams?
Because you obviously don't have any Taysom shares, and hey, you do you. Best of luck to you.

But otherwise, you're kinda sad.
Sorry I thought we were allowed to discuss player’s fantasy value in here. Sorry I hurt your feelings - and won’t post anything negative in here again. Maybe I’ll stop posting at all - so I don’t take up bandwidth from glorious posters like yourself, with all your great insights.
I appreciate the opposing viewpoint to keep me grounded. Like I said I’m super excited about his prospects-it’s more of a calculated risk with upside
 
Also to be fair, he sometimes sets a wonky lineup then changes it just before game-time. I’ve seen owners do this over the years and just don’t get it. Like, it’s not real football where I’m gonna change my lineup because you set yours weird.

This is me, but not because I'm trying to get you to set a lineup a certain way. It's because I'm completely indecisive, and I change my lineup with each new bit of information I can glean from sources.
Same. I second, third and fourth guess my self all the time. Usually to the detriment of my team.
 
Same. I second, third and fourth guess my self all the time. Usually to the detriment of my team.

Honestly, my teams aren't usually so far and away from the pack where I can set them and forget them. Rarely do I have a team like that. I can remember maybe once. I've been playing over a decade now, yet I haven't really learned the fine line of having bench depth be just that -- depth. I always have blurred lines of starters and depth at some point, and often in important spots, especially WR. That's because I generally hammer running back early and the receivers tend to be a crapshoot once you get to a certain point.

So yeah, lineup changes. Lots of 'em once I figure out all who is actually playing, CB/WR matchups, strength of offense/defensive vs. the run/pass, etc.

It doesn't help that one of my more serious leagues has full IDP and eighteen guys to start. That sort of makes the decisions tougher because of the nature of IDP -- stat crews, positional considerations, scoring, and variances. You sort of have to bring your own research to the IDP table and work for it. No reading Yahoo! the day before the game and the day before waivers to piece together a team.
 
Are we still going to be able to keep him in our TE spot if he had to start as QB if Winston missed time?
No idea what the various FFL services will do.

In real life, Hill will also need an injury to Andy Dalton to take meaningful snaps at QB. And even then, Blake Bortles (yes, really) is a phone call away.
 
Are we still going to be able to keep him in our TE spot if he had to start as QB if Winston missed time?
Not in any league that's worth anything. I think ESPN was the only site to allow it last year, and they're trash.

Even Yahoo stopped it after 1 week. The other sites you couldn't do it.

So to your question, if he's starting at QB he likely will not be able to be played in the TE spot.
 

He scored 5 TDs the entire 2021 season (and 4 of them came in 2 games). How does that translate to a 50% chance at a TD each week?


Week 1 is likely the anomaly, not the norm.


Thats an easy question. Either it happens or it doesn't, a grand total of TWO OUTCOMES, its a 50-50 scenario. :lol:


But I agree, week 1 wasn't something any of us can depend on.
That said, a frustrated owner (with other options) in the one league I picked Taysom Hill up on a whim (Kmet issues) flat out dropped Dallas Goedert, so I went that way instead.

Taysom is a fun player to watch, and he clearly loves the game and wants to play. But I just don't see a path to weekly relevance, barring a Winston injury.
But if that happens, I'll be scrambling for him. (TE/QB eligibility in my leagues)
 
He got a couple carries. The Bucs were ready. Week 1 overreaction dart throw. If he plays any QB I think his TE eligibility gets shut down. Back to waivers.
 

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