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It is ridiculous. DA is going to play all year (barring injury) and probably next year. Then there is a QB controversy in that DA will be going into the final year of his contract. One will be moved and the other will be the starter. And Quinn will be a better QB for holding the clipboard a couple of years
Apologies for any offense. None was intended.My point is if the Browns were shopping DA,It's ok - just trying to keep the SP going in the right direction.Poor attempt at comic relief evidently. Apologies. Just trying to emphasize how ridiculous it is that anyone thinks Quinn has any shot at the starting job.I'm singling this post out, but it's not the only one here.Discussions are welcome, but this is heading in a bad direction.MAC_32 said:Pictus Cat said:My Gawd, I see we're going to be dealing with this for the next six months, I'm not tired of it yet so I'll keep saying it until you all get it. Listen to the soundbites from Romeo and Savage from the last 6 weeks, notably soon after the DA signing. He is the starting QB, there is no competition. You, and many others, obviously have not. The problem is you, and many others, are talking like they know; you don't. It's reminiscent of that commercial on ESPN last year of that guy talking out of his ###. Whether you believe DA is better than Quinn, Quinn is better than DA, they both suck, they're both Gods, Quinn is sleeping with Romeo's wife, DA is gay, your Brady Quinn posters on your wall told you 'I am starting,' or Bernie Kosar is in a never-ending alcoholic haze (sorry Bern, you sound drunk everytime I hear your voice) DA will still be the opening day starter. Now. Speculate all you want that DA will implode and Quinn will be starting by midseason, I disagree but you're entitled to your opinion.
Feel free to talk about the + and - of the CLE QB situation, but there's no need to go down the road of the items in bold.
I understand what you're saying.I don't agree it is the right call for the Browns to make.
*sigh* Again, they were never shopping him, they were trying to sign him for the entire month of February. It took a last minute rumor of Dallas signing DA to an offer sheet and then turn around and deal him to BMore to move into the top 10 to spur late night negotiations to get him signed. Your entire case is irrelevant as the Browns were never shopping him, the media speculated but that was all, the level of media speculation has reached new levels this offseason so this shouldn't be of any surprise. Please prove me wrong that the Browns stated they were shopping him and I'll shut up, until you do I won't.Apologies for any offense. None was intended.My point is if the Browns were shopping DA,It's ok - just trying to keep the SP going in the right direction.Poor attempt at comic relief evidently. Apologies. Just trying to emphasize how ridiculous it is that anyone thinks Quinn has any shot at the starting job.I'm singling this post out, but it's not the only one here.Discussions are welcome, but this is heading in a bad direction.MAC_32 said:Pictus Cat said:My Gawd, I see we're going to be dealing with this for the next six months, I'm not tired of it yet so I'll keep saying it until you all get it. Listen to the soundbites from Romeo and Savage from the last 6 weeks, notably soon after the DA signing. He is the starting QB, there is no competition. You, and many others, obviously have not. The problem is you, and many others, are talking like they know; you don't. It's reminiscent of that commercial on ESPN last year of that guy talking out of his ###. Whether you believe DA is better than Quinn, Quinn is better than DA, they both suck, they're both Gods, Quinn is sleeping with Romeo's wife, DA is gay, your Brady Quinn posters on your wall told you 'I am starting,' or Bernie Kosar is in a never-ending alcoholic haze (sorry Bern, you sound drunk everytime I hear your voice) DA will still be the opening day starter. Now. Speculate all you want that DA will implode and Quinn will be starting by midseason, I disagree but you're entitled to your opinion.
Feel free to talk about the + and - of the CLE QB situation, but there's no need to go down the road of the items in bold.
that should imply they would be ok with Quinn instead of DA.
If they beleive that, and I would think the coach would be the most likely to be on board with it,
why in the world would they start DA?
The hypothetical was to be clear that this was not a real conversation as far as I know.
We think Quinn is better and the future but we're starting DA (the guy we shopped because we thought we could do better without?)
What do they think they can get for DA that would make them a better team overall?
Seems like smoke and mirrors to me so they can keep his value up and still trade him.
Is a situation where you have two good players at the same position and can't find the right trade partner?
Is DA the better QB?This has been fun.*sigh* Again, they were never shopping him, they were trying to sign him for the entire month of February. It took a last minute rumor of Dallas signing DA to an offer sheet and then turn around and deal him to BMore to move into the top 10 to spur late night negotiations to get him signed. Your entire case is irrelevant as the Browns were never shopping him, the media speculated but that was all, the level of media speculation has reached new levels this offseason so this shouldn't be of any surprise. Please prove me wrong that the Browns stated they were shopping him and I'll shut up, until you do I won't.Apologies for any offense. None was intended.My point is if the Browns were shopping DA,It's ok - just trying to keep the SP going in the right direction.Poor attempt at comic relief evidently. Apologies. Just trying to emphasize how ridiculous it is that anyone thinks Quinn has any shot at the starting job.I'm singling this post out, but it's not the only one here.Discussions are welcome, but this is heading in a bad direction.MAC_32 said:Pictus Cat said:My Gawd, I see we're going to be dealing with this for the next six months, I'm not tired of it yet so I'll keep saying it until you all get it. Listen to the soundbites from Romeo and Savage from the last 6 weeks, notably soon after the DA signing. He is the starting QB, there is no competition. You, and many others, obviously have not. The problem is you, and many others, are talking like they know; you don't. It's reminiscent of that commercial on ESPN last year of that guy talking out of his ###. Whether you believe DA is better than Quinn, Quinn is better than DA, they both suck, they're both Gods, Quinn is sleeping with Romeo's wife, DA is gay, your Brady Quinn posters on your wall told you 'I am starting,' or Bernie Kosar is in a never-ending alcoholic haze (sorry Bern, you sound drunk everytime I hear your voice) DA will still be the opening day starter. Now. Speculate all you want that DA will implode and Quinn will be starting by midseason, I disagree but you're entitled to your opinion.
Feel free to talk about the + and - of the CLE QB situation, but there's no need to go down the road of the items in bold.
that should imply they would be ok with Quinn instead of DA.
If they beleive that, and I would think the coach would be the most likely to be on board with it,
why in the world would they start DA?
The hypothetical was to be clear that this was not a real conversation as far as I know.
We think Quinn is better and the future but we're starting DA (the guy we shopped because we thought we could do better without?)
What do they think they can get for DA that would make them a better team overall?
Seems like smoke and mirrors to me so they can keep his value up and still trade him.
Is a situation where you have two good players at the same position and can't find the right trade partner?
Yep, I hadn't taken a close look at his ADP from the WSLs before I made the above statement. I think he's going much too high and expect him to finish in the lower 50% of starting QBs not the top 25%.
Which is why you are on a FFB website and the guys that signed DA to the extension get paid by the NFL...
Yes, and I can't stand it. I have stopped watching ESPN completely and have cancelled NFLN. Sports reporting has become pathetic, they are trying to make news when there isn't any. I guess you could say Professional Sports has gone Hollywood. I am afraid that it won't be long before I stop watching the games too.*sigh* Again, they were never shopping him, they were trying to sign him for the entire month of February. It took a last minute rumor of Dallas signing DA to an offer sheet and then turn around and deal him to BMore to move into the top 10 to spur late night negotiations to get him signed. Your entire case is irrelevant as the Browns were never shopping him, the media speculated but that was all, the level of media speculation has reached new levels this offseason so this shouldn't be of any surprise. Please prove me wrong that the Browns stated they were shopping him and I'll shut up, until you do I won't.Apologies for any offense. None was intended.My point is if the Browns were shopping DA,It's ok - just trying to keep the SP going in the right direction.Poor attempt at comic relief evidently. Apologies. Just trying to emphasize how ridiculous it is that anyone thinks Quinn has any shot at the starting job.I'm singling this post out, but it's not the only one here.Discussions are welcome, but this is heading in a bad direction.MAC_32 said:Pictus Cat said:My Gawd, I see we're going to be dealing with this for the next six months, I'm not tired of it yet so I'll keep saying it until you all get it. Listen to the soundbites from Romeo and Savage from the last 6 weeks, notably soon after the DA signing. He is the starting QB, there is no competition. You, and many others, obviously have not. The problem is you, and many others, are talking like they know; you don't. It's reminiscent of that commercial on ESPN last year of that guy talking out of his ###. Whether you believe DA is better than Quinn, Quinn is better than DA, they both suck, they're both Gods, Quinn is sleeping with Romeo's wife, DA is gay, your Brady Quinn posters on your wall told you 'I am starting,' or Bernie Kosar is in a never-ending alcoholic haze (sorry Bern, you sound drunk everytime I hear your voice) DA will still be the opening day starter. Now. Speculate all you want that DA will implode and Quinn will be starting by midseason, I disagree but you're entitled to your opinion.
Feel free to talk about the + and - of the CLE QB situation, but there's no need to go down the road of the items in bold.
that should imply they would be ok with Quinn instead of DA.
If they beleive that, and I would think the coach would be the most likely to be on board with it,
why in the world would they start DA?
The hypothetical was to be clear that this was not a real conversation as far as I know.
We think Quinn is better and the future but we're starting DA (the guy we shopped because we thought we could do better without?)
What do they think they can get for DA that would make them a better team overall?
Seems like smoke and mirrors to me so they can keep his value up and still trade him.
Is a situation where you have two good players at the same position and can't find the right trade partner?
You and me both, brother.How long does a Quinn need to hold a clipboard before he needs to take the reigns to learn more? (currently 1 year and counting...)How much better is DA going to be?How much better do these NFL paid people think Quinn is going to be?If you're looking at the playoffs, who do you want starting against the best NFL teams in the league, and how prepared do you want your QB to be?Will every practice reveal who is better and what would you expect a coach to do about it?To the topic,Boom or bust, DA should do well in this offense, locking up both Quinn and DA in a draft at QB 12ish and Quinn late would be worth the gamble to me. DA as your QB1 and missing Quinn would be a mistake IMHO.
As to the last questions, here is some of what I wrote in this topic where it was debated quite heavily, http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...4438&st=100
How much better is DA going to be?
How much better do these NFL paid people think Quinn is going to be?
If you're looking at the playoffs, who do you want starting against the best NFL teams in the league,
and how prepared do you want your QB to be?
Will every practice reveal who is better and what would you expect a coach to do about it?
To the topic,
Boom or bust, DA should do well in this offense, locking up both Quinn and DA in a draft at QB 12ish and Quinn late would be worth the gamble to me. DA as your QB1 and missing Quinn would be a mistake IMHO.
Now, to the fantasy question of value, I think his value is probably in about the QB7-QB10 range this year, taking into account both upside and downside. I just don't see what QB's people think are both less risky and/or have more upside when they say they would consider him at QB20.
But the correct answer so far is Carson Palmer
Good call, but you weren't the only one. I grabbed Quinn in SSL IV to back up Romo, he'll be starting by Romo's BYE.Funny to see the adamant stand some posters took:Also funny how things change:
-- This isn't meant to call out any particular poster either... every single person here has been wrong about a player or situation before. Kudos to Team Legacy for making the right call. Maybe we shouldn't jump on people so much for thinking against the norm.
