Ted Ginn, Jr. Has Lisfranc Sprain (1 Viewer)

[Gandalf]

I'm guessing that a sprain is not as severe or career threatening as the Lisfranc fracture, but can't be good news for a rookie WR (see below). For those who want more information on Lisfranc injuries, here's an article from the American Academy of Family Physicians:

http://www.aafp.org/afp/980700ap/burrough.html

From Rotoworld:

Ted Ginn Jr.-WR-Dolphins May. 4 - 1:09 am et

Dolphins first-round pick Ted Ginn Jr.'s foot injury is a Lisfranc sprain and will need to be immobilized next week. However, Ginn wasn't in a protective boot Thursday as ESPN reported, and Miami's medical staff believes he'll be fine by July. But Ginn, who is entering the pros as a raw route runner, will have missed quite a bit of work by then and faces an uphill climb to take Marty Booker's starting job.

 

[Addai's Adidas]

Never drat someone injured in the first 2 rounds.

 

[nygiants56]

thats a serious injury,nonetheless...

David Boston had it, it bothered him the rest of his brief NFL career.

 

[JaxBill]

Here's the original Sun-Sentinel article:

Ginn didn't have a protective boot on his sprained left foot Thursday as ESPN.com has reported. However, a source confirmed that the injury, which will keep him out of this weekend's minicamp, is what is known as a midfoot Lisfranc (ligament) sprain and most likely will have to be immobilized next week.

Plantation orthopedic surgeon Dr. Richard Linn agreed with Mueller's recent assessment that Ginn, barring any reaggravation of the injury, should be fine by July's training camp.

"Depending on the severity of the sprain, it probably needs to be immobilized, and by training camp, which would be about six to seven months since the injury occurred, he should be ready," Linn said. "It's not unusual to take this long to heal."

According to the American Family Physician Web site, Lisfranc joint injuries "are rare, complex and often misdiagnosed" and can range from mild sprains to fracture dislocation.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-spd...story?track=rss

 

[JaxBill]

I guess my question is "What did the Dolphins know about his injury and when did they know it?".

It's one thing to know that his foot is sprained and draft him 9th. It's another to know that it's a Lis Franc and he'd be unavailable for minicamp and still draft him 9th.

Maybe I'm overreacting because of Duce Staley(there are different degrees of Lis Franc strains). But this really puzzles me.

 

[msommer]

I guess my question is "What did the Dolphins know about his injury and when did they know it?".It's one thing to know that his foot is sprained and draft him 9th. It's another to know that it's a Lis Franc and he'd be unavailable for minicamp and still draft him 9th.Maybe I'm overreacting because of Duce Staley(there are different degrees of Lis Franc strains). But this really puzzles me.

I believe Brian Dawkins also lost most of a season with a lisfranc sprain

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I believe the Fins knew this pre-draft and took him regardless.

There are varying degrees of severity to this injury. If he was still running a sub 4.4 40 at his pro-day, I doubt it's career threatening.

How Thomas Jones is coming back from a Lis Franc fracture on the other hand, is something I find hard to believe.

 

[Warpig]

Dolphins are idiots. They are kicking themselves in the a-z-z now for not taking Quinn.

What a bunch of dolts.

No O-line, no QB, and now no 1st round pick.

:11:

 

[playin4beer]

I believe the Fins knew this pre-draft and took him regardless.

There are varying degrees of severity to this injury. If he was still running a sub 4.4 40 at his pro-day, I doubt it's career threatening.

How Thomas Jones is coming back from a Lis Franc fracture on the other hand, is something I find hard to believe.

Did you mean Kevin Jones... or did I miss something with Thomas???

 

[GroveDiesel]

I think the pick was stupid regardless, but if the doctors honestly believe that he'll be back to 100% by July, then I don't see what the big deal is. Yes he'll miss some OTAs but if you believe a guy is legitimate and won't even miss the first game because of it, then why wouldn't you take him?

I don't see too many people saying that the Vikings are idiots for taking a still injured Peterson. Let's not let an injury that should heal get in the way of the outright stupidity of taking even a 100% Ginn at #9 for the Dolphins.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I believe the Fins knew this pre-draft and took him regardless.

There are varying degrees of severity to this injury. If he was still running a sub 4.4 40 at his pro-day, I doubt it's career threatening.

How Thomas Jones is coming back from a Lis Franc fracture on the other hand, is something I find hard to believe.

Did you mean Kevin Jones... or did I miss something with Thomas???

Ooops. Yes, I meant Kevin Jones.

 

[playin4beer]

I believe the Fins knew this pre-draft and took him regardless.

There are varying degrees of severity to this injury. If he was still running a sub 4.4 40 at his pro-day, I doubt it's career threatening.

How Thomas Jones is coming back from a Lis Franc fracture on the other hand, is something I find hard to believe.

Did you mean Kevin Jones... or did I miss something with Thomas???

Ooops. Yes, I meant Kevin Jones.

On a side note...I don't think Kevin Jones IS coming back.

Just my but I don't think Tatum Bell and T.J. Duckett are just "insurance".

 

[Obie Wan]

I think the pick was stupid regardless, but if the doctors honestly believe that he'll be back to 100% by July, then I don't see what the big deal is. Yes he'll miss some OTAs but if you believe a guy is legitimate and won't even miss the first game because of it, then why wouldn't you take him? I don't see too many people saying that the Vikings are idiots for taking a still injured Peterson. Let's not let an injury that should heal get in the way of the outright stupidity of taking even a 100% Ginn at #9 for the Dolphins.

yeah- the Dophins doctors have a great track record.thye sure nailed both the Brees and Culpepper injuries just last year. I can see why the team would have no qualms about trusting their judgment.

 

[Warpig]

I think the pick was stupid regardless, but if the doctors honestly believe that he'll be back to 100% by July, then I don't see what the big deal is. Yes he'll miss some OTAs but if you believe a guy is legitimate and won't even miss the first game because of it, then why wouldn't you take him? I don't see too many people saying that the Vikings are idiots for taking a still injured Peterson. Let's not let an injury that should heal get in the way of the outright stupidity of taking even a 100% Ginn at #9 for the Dolphins.

yeah- the Dophins doctors have a great track record.thye sure nailed both the Brees and Culpepper injuries just last year. I can see why the team would have no qualms about trusting their judgment.

And I'm sure they are making it sound better than it actually is because they know if they come out and say that it's actually worse after they gave the green light to draft him, they'll be looking for a new employer.After the way they blew it last year with Brees and Pepper, I wouldn't trust anything out of their mouths.

 

[perry147]

I believe the Fins knew this pre-draft and took him regardless.

There are varying degrees of severity to this injury. If he was still running a sub 4.4 40 at his pro-day, I doubt it's career threatening.

How Thomas Jones is coming back from a Lis Franc fracture on the other hand, is something I find hard to believe.

Did you mean Kevin Jones... or did I miss something with Thomas???

Ooops. Yes, I meant Kevin Jones.

On a side note...I don't think Kevin Jones IS coming back.

Just my but I don't think Tatum Bell and T.J. Duckett are just "insurance".

Comment on Side note:That is expensive insurance - something smells fishy in Detroit. Why would you go out and spend that kind of money if you think KJ is coming back? I think KJ's injury is worse than Detroit is letting on.

 

[massraider]

I think the pick was stupid regardless, but if the doctors honestly believe that he'll be back to 100% by July, then I don't see what the big deal is. Yes he'll miss some OTAs but if you believe a guy is legitimate and won't even miss the first game because of it, then why wouldn't you take him? I don't see too many people saying that the Vikings are idiots for taking a still injured Peterson. Let's not let an injury that should heal get in the way of the outright stupidity of taking even a 100% Ginn at #9 for the Dolphins.

I agree quietly, but will be very public about what a terrible pick this kid is, and how he has bad wheels.At least till my rookie draft is over.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I believe the Fins knew this pre-draft and took him regardless.

There are varying degrees of severity to this injury. If he was still running a sub 4.4 40 at his pro-day, I doubt it's career threatening.

How Thomas Jones is coming back from a Lis Franc fracture on the other hand, is something I find hard to believe.

Did you mean Kevin Jones... or did I miss something with Thomas???

Ooops. Yes, I meant Kevin Jones.

On a side note...I don't think Kevin Jones IS coming back.

Just my but I don't think Tatum Bell and T.J. Duckett are just "insurance".

Comment on Side note:That is expensive insurance - something smells fishy in Detroit. Why would you go out and spend that kind of money if you think KJ is coming back? I think KJ's injury is worse than Detroit is letting on.

I've maintained this since I heard it was a fracture instead of a sprain.

 

[Foosball God]

Comment on Side note:That is expensive insurance - something smells fishy in Detroit. Why would you go out and spend that kind of money if you think KJ is coming back? I think KJ's injury is worse than Detroit is letting on.

They'd be stupid to not have solid backups even if they think he's coming back. He could have a relapse or anything could possibly effect his future.Jones is a better runner than either of those guys, so I'm sure they are hoping like hell that he comes back alright.

 

[flapgreen]

Never get tired of seeing Cameron trying to explain the pick to the fans. MORON!

 

[Family Matters]

What's interesting to note is that Ginn ran a 4.3 with this injury. What will he run when healed? Sub 4.2? That's some srious speed my firends. Give him the time to heal and he'll be fine. If pressured to get him on the field to justify the pick and he keeps reinjuring his foot then he may be damned for his career. Be patient and the Fins will be rewarded. This kids still growing.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I think the pick was stupid regardless, but if the doctors honestly believe that he'll be back to 100% by July, then I don't see what the big deal is. Yes he'll miss some OTAs but if you believe a guy is legitimate and won't even miss the first game because of it, then why wouldn't you take him? I don't see too many people saying that the Vikings are idiots for taking a still injured Peterson. Let's not let an injury that should heal get in the way of the outright stupidity of taking even a 100% Ginn at #9 for the Dolphins.

yeah- the Dophins doctors have a great track record.thye sure nailed both the Brees and Culpepper injuries just last year. I can see why the team would have no qualms about trusting their judgment.

And I'm sure they are making it sound better than it actually is because they know if they come out and say that it's actually worse after they gave the green light to draft him, they'll be looking for a new employer.After the way they blew it last year with Brees and Pepper, I wouldn't trust anything out of their mouths.

Good point. That's definitely a good reason for Dolphins fans to be even more uneasy about the pick. Their track record there definitely works against them.

 

[Da Guru]

Never drat someone injured in the first 2 rounds.

 

[amnesiac]

I think the pick was stupid regardless, but if the doctors honestly believe that he'll be back to 100% by July, then I don't see what the big deal is. Yes he'll miss some OTAs but if you believe a guy is legitimate and won't even miss the first game because of it, then why wouldn't you take him? I don't see too many people saying that the Vikings are idiots for taking a still injured Peterson. Let's not let an injury that should heal get in the way of the outright stupidity of taking even a 100% Ginn at #9 for the Dolphins.

yeah- the Dophins doctors have a great track record.thye sure nailed both the Brees and Culpepper injuries just last year. I can see why the team would have no qualms about trusting their judgment.

i don't think he was worth the pick at nine soley as a return guy, even 100% healthy.what a mess the Dolphins are.

 

[David Yudkin]

Dolphins are idiots. They are kicking themselves in the a-z-z now for not taking Quinn.What a bunch of dolts.No O-line, no QB, and now no 1st round pick.:11:

IMO, the Dolphins pretty much showed they had no interest in Quinn, so I doubt they are kicking themselves over not ending up with someone they didn't want. It's too soon to tell what happens with Ginn, but for now it looks like an odd pick.IIRC back in the day, there were people wondering why the Bulls drafted Michael Jordan 3rd in the NBA draft as some felt he should have returned to UNC to polish his game rather than come out early. I distinctly remember watching and there was a dialgoue saying they needed to get a power forward and should have taken either Sam Perkins, Charles Barkley, or Otis Thorpe. (BTW, the Bulls actually drafted track and field star Carl Lewis in that draft.)I doubt that Ginn will turn into the next Jerry Rice, but we'll have to wait and see if the he's-a-bust moniker sticks.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

It seems that fans are getting more and more short sighted about rookies. They seem to overvalue the impact a rookie has in the first few games of his career and disregard the impact a player could have on his teammates and organization over the course of his ENTIRE career.

Ginn will be a difference maker in a lot of ways. Just not immediately like most fans hope. But that's no different than most rookies. Even the highly drafted ones.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Ginn will be a difference maker in a lot of ways. Just not immediately like most fans hope. But that's no different than most rookies. Even the highly drafted ones.

After his game matures, what WR's game do you think his will resemble the most?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Ginn will be a difference maker in a lot of ways. Just not immediately like most fans hope. But that's no different than most rookies. Even the highly drafted ones.

After his game matures, what WR's game do you think his will resemble the most?

Chaos Commish has watched him much more than I, so he'd be able to give you a better comparison.But I from what I've seen, he can be every bit as successful as Torry Holt, Santana Moss (the 2003 & 2005 versions), and the easiest comparison - Steve Smith.There seem to be two types of recievers in the game today; A) The big-bodied Terrell Owens/Larry Fitzgerald/Roy Williams type and B) The guys like are mentioned above. The rules of the game have changed to allow the B-type to be every bit as productive as the A-type.

 

[massraider]

It seems that fans are getting more and more short sighted about rookies. They seem to overvalue the impact a rookie has in the first few games of his career and disregard the impact a player could have on his teammates and organization over the course of his ENTIRE career.Ginn will be a difference maker in a lot of ways. Just not immediately like most fans hope. But that's no different than most rookies. Even the highly drafted ones.

Where some of these players get drafted also seems to affect the outlook.Ginn in the 2nd round: "He's a steal! Def help our boys this year, and wait till he matures!!" Ginn at #29: "Eh, he only runs three routes. I woulda preferred Craig Davis..." Ginn at #9: "Haw haw haw! What a bust! Can't believe the Fins drafted a punt returner at #9! Whatta buncha loosers!" I just have a sneaking suspicion that if Ginn had gone to, let's say, Tennessee at #19, there'd be a lot less calls of "bust".

 

[David Yudkin]

It seems that fans are getting more and more short sighted about rookies. They seem to overvalue the impact a rookie has in the first few games of his career and disregard the impact a player could have on his teammates and organization over the course of his ENTIRE career.Ginn will be a difference maker in a lot of ways. Just not immediately like most fans hope. But that's no different than most rookies. Even the highly drafted ones.

Where some of these players get drafted also seems to affect the outlook.Ginn in the 2nd round: "He's a steal! Def help our boys this year, and wait till he matures!!" Ginn at #29: "Eh, he only runs three routes. I woulda preferred Craig Davis..." Ginn at #9: "Haw haw haw! What a bust! Can't believe the Fins drafted a punt returner at #9! Whatta buncha loosers!" I just have a sneaking suspicion that if Ginn had gone to, let's say, Tennessee at #19, there'd be a lot less calls of "bust".

The real issue is that many people felt the Phins needed a QB and Quinn was a Top 3 pick . . . and they said no thank you. Couple that with the potential that Ginn may have slid into the 2nd round (at least he did in some mocks) makes it easy to conclude that he was a reach. Add the injury in and now Miami comes away with egg on their face.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

It seems that fans are getting more and more short sighted about rookies. They seem to overvalue the impact a rookie has in the first few games of his career and disregard the impact a player could have on his teammates and organization over the course of his ENTIRE career.Ginn will be a difference maker in a lot of ways. Just not immediately like most fans hope. But that's no different than most rookies. Even the highly drafted ones.

Where some of these players get drafted also seems to affect the outlook.Ginn in the 2nd round: "He's a steal! Def help our boys this year, and wait till he matures!!" Ginn at #29: "Eh, he only runs three routes. I woulda preferred Craig Davis..." Ginn at #9: "Haw haw haw! What a bust! Can't believe the Fins drafted a punt returner at #9! Whatta buncha loosers!" I just have a sneaking suspicion that if Ginn had gone to, let's say, Tennessee at #19, there'd be a lot less calls of "bust".

The real issue is that many people felt the Phins needed a QB and Quinn was a Top 3 pick . . . and they said no thank you. Couple that with the potential that Ginn may have slid into the 2nd round (at least he did in some mocks) makes it easy to conclude that he was a reach. Add the injury in and now Miami comes away with egg on their face.

I've heard a couple sources say that if he hadn't gone to the Dolphins, he was going to the Texans with the very next pick. Which would have been awesome for the Texans. He'd have been a great #2 to Andre Johnson.

 

[David Yudkin]

It seems that fans are getting more and more short sighted about rookies. They seem to overvalue the impact a rookie has in the first few games of his career and disregard the impact a player could have on his teammates and organization over the course of his ENTIRE career.Ginn will be a difference maker in a lot of ways. Just not immediately like most fans hope. But that's no different than most rookies. Even the highly drafted ones.

Where some of these players get drafted also seems to affect the outlook.Ginn in the 2nd round: "He's a steal! Def help our boys this year, and wait till he matures!!" Ginn at #29: "Eh, he only runs three routes. I woulda preferred Craig Davis..." Ginn at #9: "Haw haw haw! What a bust! Can't believe the Fins drafted a punt returner at #9! Whatta buncha loosers!" I just have a sneaking suspicion that if Ginn had gone to, let's say, Tennessee at #19, there'd be a lot less calls of "bust".

The real issue is that many people felt the Phins needed a QB and Quinn was a Top 3 pick . . . and they said no thank you. Couple that with the potential that Ginn may have slid into the 2nd round (at least he did in some mocks) makes it easy to conclude that he was a reach. Add the injury in and now Miami comes away with egg on their face.

I've heard a couple sources say that if he hadn't gone to the Dolphins, he was going to the Texans with the very next pick. Which would have been awesome for the Texans. He'd have been a great #2 to Andre Johnson.

We'll never know where he could have gone . . . I saw draft gurus rank him as anywhere from the #2 to #6 WR coming out this year, so it's anyone's guess at this point.

 

[delusional]

Eh this is bad injury.

Way to make a splash cam!

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Michael Westbrook finished the 2005 season with a lisfranc sprain.

Anyone know how his 2006 season went?

 

[massraider]

The real issue is that many people felt the Phins needed a QB and Quinn was a Top 3 pick . . . and they said no thank you. Couple that with the potential that Ginn may have slid into the 2nd round (at least he did in some mocks) makes it easy to conclude that he was a reach. Add the injury in and now Miami comes away with egg on their face.

I was addressing the idea that I think people drastically alter their expectations for a player because he was a "reach".I don't see Miami with egg on their face, unless this injury proves serious. Or further, until their QB situation is settled.

Now, in hindsight, it's a fact that Quinn at #9 was a reach.

We don't know where Ginn would have gone, but we know that Quinn wwasn't getting drafted in the first 21 picks.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Now, in hindsight, it's a fact that Quinn at #9 was a reach.

We don't know where Ginn would have gone, but we know that Quinn wwasn't getting drafted in the first 21 picks.

We'll know in a couple seasons if he would have been a reach at #9 or a steal at #22.

 

[Cecil Lammey]

Just talked to Ginn's personal trainer and he said that the injury isn't as serious as being reported. Travelle told me that Ginn would be 100% for training camp. I also know that Adam Schefter is on top of this, and will be reporting on it during Total Access.

 

[massraider]

Now, in hindsight, it's a fact that Quinn at #9 was a reach.

We don't know where Ginn would have gone, but we know that Quinn wwasn't getting drafted in the first 21 picks.

We'll know in a couple seasons if he would have been a reach at #9 or a steal at #22.

Does Ginn not rate the same patience? If we can call Ginn a reach at #9, when we don't know where he would have gone, then why can't we say that Quinn would definitely have been a reach, because we DO know where he went?

Asking in general, Andy, not to you directly.

Does anyone else see the inconsistency here? We are guessing where Ginn would have gone, and calling him a reach. Meantime, the guy they 'should' have taken, Quinn, would have been, in fact, by definition, a reach.

 

[T Man]

Michael Westbrook finished the 2005 season with a lisfranc sprain.Anyone know how his 2006 season went?

Michael or Brian??

 

[GroveDiesel]

Ginn will be a difference maker in a lot of ways. Just not immediately like most fans hope. But that's no different than most rookies. Even the highly drafted ones.

After his game matures, what WR's game do you think his will resemble the most?

Chaos Commish has watched him much more than I, so he'd be able to give you a better comparison.But I from what I've seen, he can be every bit as successful as Torry Holt, Santana Moss (the 2003 & 2005 versions), and the easiest comparison - Steve Smith.

There seem to be two types of recievers in the game today; A) The big-bodied Terrell Owens/Larry Fitzgerald/Roy Williams type and B) The guys like are mentioned above. The rules of the game have changed to allow the B-type to be every bit as productive as the A-type.

Holt and Smith both run great routes and have great hands. If Ginn is going to be every bit as successful as those guys he has to drastically improve both. Right now his game is more Dante Hall than Holt or SS.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Michael Westbrook finished the 2005 season with a lisfranc sprain.Anyone know how his 2006 season went?

Michael or Brian??

I do that every gd time!

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Ginn will be a difference maker in a lot of ways. Just not immediately like most fans hope. But that's no different than most rookies. Even the highly drafted ones.

After his game matures, what WR's game do you think his will resemble the most?

Chaos Commish has watched him much more than I, so he'd be able to give you a better comparison.But I from what I've seen, he can be every bit as successful as Torry Holt, Santana Moss (the 2003 & 2005 versions), and the easiest comparison - Steve Smith.

There seem to be two types of recievers in the game today; A) The big-bodied Terrell Owens/Larry Fitzgerald/Roy Williams type and B) The guys like are mentioned above. The rules of the game have changed to allow the B-type to be every bit as productive as the A-type.

Holt and Smith both run great routes and have great hands. If Ginn is going to be every bit as successful as those guys he has to drastically improve both. Right now his game is more Dante Hall than Holt or SS.

You heard me right.

 

[NYRAGE]

[

I've heard a couple sources say that if he hadn't gone to the Dolphins, he was going to the Texans with the very next pick. Which would have been awesome for the Texans. He'd have been a great #2 to Andre Johnson.

Texans beat writer, John McClain said yesterday that the Texans would have never taken Ginn next and that it was bs by Miami leaked to reporters in order to soothe Miami fans .

 

[Family Matters]

Ginn will be a difference maker in a lot of ways. Just not immediately like most fans hope. But that's no different than most rookies. Even the highly drafted ones.

After his game matures, what WR's game do you think his will resemble the most?

Chaos Commish has watched him much more than I, so he'd be able to give you a better comparison.But I from what I've seen, he can be every bit as successful as Torry Holt, Santana Moss (the 2003 & 2005 versions), and the easiest comparison - Steve Smith.

There seem to be two types of recievers in the game today; A) The big-bodied Terrell Owens/Larry Fitzgerald/Roy Williams type and B) The guys like are mentioned above. The rules of the game have changed to allow the B-type to be every bit as productive as the A-type.

Holt and Smith both run great routes and have great hands. If Ginn is going to be every bit as successful as those guys he has to drastically improve both. Right now his game is more Dante Hall than Holt or SS.

I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. He's not the best route runner but he's still pretty good. You also have to take into account that :1. He's only been a WR 3 years.

2. He's improved greatly each year in his route running and skill set.

3. He came out a year so he's still growing physically and mentally.

4. He ran a 4.3 injured. What's he going ot do when je's healthy? Sub 4.2? You can't teach that kind of speed and there is no one in the NFL that can stay with him. If there is someone then there's just 1 or 2. He sure won't get slower.

 

[FavreCo]

Just talked to Ginn's personal trainer and he said that the injury isn't as serious as being reported. Travelle told me that Ginn would be 100% for training camp. I also know that Adam Schefter is on top of this, and will be reporting on it during Total Access.

It really doesn't matter. He's not worth the #9 pick. He's not a #1 WR and he has marginal hands at best. The Dolphins moved right into the top 10 all time worst 1st round picks with this one.

 

[falconsfan7]

Ginn will be a difference maker in a lot of ways. Just not immediately like most fans hope. But that's no different than most rookies. Even the highly drafted ones.

After his game matures, what WR's game do you think his will resemble the most?

Chaos Commish has watched him much more than I, so he'd be able to give you a better comparison.But I from what I've seen, he can be every bit as successful as Torry Holt, Santana Moss (the 2003 & 2005 versions), and the easiest comparison - Steve Smith.There seem to be two types of recievers in the game today; A) The big-bodied Terrell Owens/Larry Fitzgerald/Roy Williams type and B) The guys like are mentioned above. The rules of the game have changed to allow the B-type to be every bit as productive as the A-type.

I'm not quite on board with the comparisons with Holt, Moss or Smith. When I think about Ted Ginn's NFL prospects, I can't help but think of Peter Warrick.

 

[Family Matters]

Just talked to Ginn's personal trainer and he said that the injury isn't as serious as being reported. Travelle told me that Ginn would be 100% for training camp. I also know that Adam Schefter is on top of this, and will be reporting on it during Total Access.

It really doesn't matter. He's not worth the #9 pick. He's not a #1 WR and he has marginal hands at best. The Dolphins moved right into the top 10 all time worst 1st round picks with this one.

What doesn't matter is that the draft is over. It's time to move on. If your a Dolphins fan have to hope they did the right thing. I'm sure some fans will criticize this no matter how it works out. Ginn could have a HOF career and people will still be critical. That's just the nature of fans.

 

[Family Matters]

Ginn will be a difference maker in a lot of ways. Just not immediately like most fans hope. But that's no different than most rookies. Even the highly drafted ones.

After his game matures, what WR's game do you think his will resemble the most?

Chaos Commish has watched him much more than I, so he'd be able to give you a better comparison.But I from what I've seen, he can be every bit as successful as Torry Holt, Santana Moss (the 2003 & 2005 versions), and the easiest comparison - Steve Smith.There seem to be two types of recievers in the game today; A) The big-bodied Terrell Owens/Larry Fitzgerald/Roy Williams type and B) The guys like are mentioned above. The rules of the game have changed to allow the B-type to be every bit as productive as the A-type.

I'm not quite on board with the comparisons with Holt, Moss or Smith. When I think about Ted Ginn's NFL prospects, I can't help but think of Peter Warrick.

This was discussed before the darft. There nothing similar about these two outisde of the fact they both played WR and return man. But then again there alot of guys that meet that same similarity. Warrick was slow and Ginn is super fast. That's where they are very different.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Wow Family Matters, you are in serious defense mode.

 

[Bob Magaw]

some scouts are very high on ginn... i saw a few that had him #2, ahead of everbody but CJ... meachem, bowe, jarrett, rice, etc...

frank coyle is one of my favorite scouts & he thinks he will be a future pro bowler... he did use torry holt as a comp player... also marvin harrison, but more in terms of athletic ability, not overall positional refinement...

its all too easy to dis the player & pick... lingering foot injury, skinny, might be one dimensional & primarily hester-esque kick returner...

if he reaches his potential & becomes one of the most explosive players in the league, #9 might seem like a bargain in a few years... value has its place, but if you can't find partner to trade down, & you really want a guy but know they won't last until your next pick, what else can you do?

one thing in favor of ginn, if he does make a full recovery, & andy alluded to it, is that the league has evolved in a direction that seems to facilitate smaller, quicker players getting open, as they can no longer be mugged by DBs downfield... steve smith & santana moss are the current poster boys, but there are others (lee evans isn't a hulking physical specimen but is bordering on stardom)...

there is the question of whether he can get off the jam, but marvin harrison is precedent of a frail looking skinny dude that is UNSTOPPABLE because he is so quick & at full speed in two strides that DBs are scared to jam him because if they whiff it is a long gainer or TD... & past 5 yards, you can't jam & he is always running crazy open in the secondary...

IF ginn can be that kind of player, he will be able to do some scary things to the secondary...

i'ver heard questions about his hands, but they look fairly natural to me... he was the national player of the year on defense & had freakish number of INTs & TD returns so he has hands...

i knew he was fast but didn't know he was fastest high hurdler in the nation once or twice...

after chambers, it isn't exactly a murderer's row of great WRs standing in the way of his starting... ginn's game changing speed will almost force defenses to account for (on deep routes & reverses), which could open up the middle of the field for the rest of the offense...

he has similar traits to both santana moss &, more ominously, rocket ismail (perhaps this has been noted elsewhere in SP already, possibly in one of draft threads)... if he is the former, he could be a steal in fantasy drafts later in 1st round... i do have questions about QB situation, but in a dynasty league, there is more than a season to iron that out...

few other things i like about ginn, & i realize it is contrarian view, but to counterbalance where there is no shortage of pessimism... you will have no trouble finding that...

route running can be coached up... he didn't need to run routes... he just caught slants & fly patterns & scored TDs... you can't coach world class speed... he is a coach's son & reportedly a leader & hard worker, so i'm betting he "gets it" in route running department at some point (it takes a lot of good WRs a few years in some cases)...

IF he gets ball in his hands (ROLL it to him if you need to), & you look at his highlights, he has god given run instincts... he is like a RB in open field, in terms of vision, instincts, patience to set up blockers, etc...

& for a guy with a slight build, he flashes great balance & breaks tackles on film, so there might be a "disconnect" on public perception at large & actuality of run skills... & how his skill set might translate to the next level... i'd be interested in hearing CC weigh in, as he was instrumental in getting me to take a closer look at him... also frank coyle... & his highlights speak for themselves...

 

[Routilla]

MIA got boned on the pick. I fear the Fins are about to fade hard and fast. No QB, defense not what it used to be. NE, NYJ getting stronger. BUF may leave MIA in the cellar this year.