[sarcasm]Well, then it must be true. No way a guy who is paid to keep Ted Ginn in top physical shape would be duplicitous about Ted Ginn's physical shape.[/sarcasm]Cecil Lammey said:Just talked to Ginn's personal trainer and he said that the injury isn't as serious as being reported.
:corrected:Quinn would have been a poor fit for Miami. They should have addressed a non-skill position area with that pick.Warpig said:![]()
Dolphins are idiots. They are kicking themselves in the a-z-z now for not taking Quinn Okoye (or Willis).
What a bunch of dolts.
Seems alot are bashing Ginn and making comments that really don't add up. MAking comparisons to Warrick are naive in knowing what kind of player Ginn is.So I'm just trying to help the Fins fans out a bit. I really don't care much about the Dolphins so it's no sweat off my back if they win or lose. But they're going to really happy about Ginn in a few years. But for some reason, without a single snap being played, many are predicting total doom. I just find that amazing.Wow Family Matters, you are in serious defense mode.
But he can't run patterns.cue sick highlight reel...
Me too since I just grabbed at 2.08 in a Dynasty league. Go Ginn!I really hope Ginn goes off.
I hate the pick.I do not predict doom for Ginn as a player, but I still dislike the pick.The absolute best he can do is live up to exactly what the 'phins thought they got, which would be a game breaking WR who is a spark plug in the return game. If they got early career Steve Smith out of this draft, they'll have a great player on their squad - you can't coach speed, which is why you draft it high.That said, he will never be the face of the franchise, he has a tremendous uphill battle for fan support, they had bigger needs in other areas, and he can not single handedly turn the offense around unless you really believe he is a Randy Moss/Terrel Owens type. And I don't think anyone has those kind of illusions.Much greater effect on the W-L column for the phins would have been an impact LB, impact DT, QB, or even a future 10-year stalwart on the OL.With this injury news, he is not as likely to have an impact this year and he could have recurring problems (unless I misunderstand the nature of the Lis Franc injury). A team in the phins' situation spent a #9 on a taller Steve Smith? Steve Smith was a third round pick. Crappy pick for the fins, IMO, even if you feel Ginn is a top-10 talent.On the flip side, he is a great kid, eminently coachable, he has a ton of measurable talent, he will be even better for the 'phins return game than Welker was, he could definitely evolve into a top-10 fantasy WR, and a player with that kind of speed can always get separation and command a safety's attention (something even Chris Chambers has had problems with).In all, draft all the speedy receivers you want (Chambers aint no speed slouch), but if noone is behind center to throw them the ball and if the guy behind the center lacks the time to get the ball downfield, what good is being wide open downfield?Seems alot are bashing Ginn and making comments that really don't add up. MAking comparisons to Warrick are naive in knowing what kind of player Ginn is.So I'm just trying to help the Fins fans out a bit. I really don't care much about the Dolphins so it's no sweat off my back if they win or lose. But they're going to really happy about Ginn in a few years. But for some reason, without a single snap being played, many are predicting total doom. I just find that amazing.Wow Family Matters, you are in serious defense mode.
He can run patterns - the problem is the accuracy of his routes. And he has poor ability at catching the ball in traffic and nothing demonstrated in re: going up and getting the ball.Plus, some question his ability to get off the line against the kind of corners in the NFL - he never faced anything similar to that kind of line press in college. The NFL corners who play man press from the line are so far above college players it is ridiculous.cue sick highlight reel...
He is very fast.Just look at how fast he's at top speed.![]()
Non-sequitor. His speed won't translate into making the phins' O better, but he might impact a few games with big plays. On the highlight reel, I saw a lot of college level tackling and college level return coverage.He's going to make everyone around him so much more productive than they were before.
Were they...uh....college highlight reels?He is very fast.Just look at how fast he's at top speed.
Non-sequitor. His speed won't translate into making the phins' O better, but he might impact a few games with big plays. On the highlight reel, I saw a lot of college level tackling and college level return coverage.He's going to make everyone around him so much more productive than they were before.
So does the foot need to be immobilized or not? The report was that the foot needs to be immobilized and should be ready for training camp.The thing that I don't like is that you have a guy whose biggest assets are his speed and open field cutting ability and he has a foot injury before he even practices against the pro's.Cecil Lammey said:Just talked to Ginn's personal trainer and he said that the injury isn't as serious as being reported. Travelle told me that Ginn would be 100% for training camp. I also know that Adam Schefter is on top of this, and will be reporting on it during Total Access.
On the film I saw a lot of first round CBs getting torched.He is very fast.Just look at how fast he's at top speed.
Non-sequitor. His speed won't translate into making the phins' O better, but he might impact a few games with big plays. On the highlight reel, I saw a lot of college level tackling and college level return coverage.He's going to make everyone around him so much more productive than they were before.
do you really think they expect him to be the face of the Dolphins organization? He's a college rookie pick who they believe offers superior KR speed and potential aid for Chris Chambers. He's not a sexy pick but half of college players bust so let's wait and see what happens at this point. Heck, Beck might be the face of MIA over the next few years after what we've been going through with Fiedler/Frerotte/Feely/Culpepper/Harrington/Lemon debacle. Patience.[That said, he will never be the face of the franchise,
You made apoint that should be noted and has to do with Chambers. Chambers has always drwn the best DB. Now Ginn will probably do that. If so then Chambers should go off. OTOH-if Chambers gets the best DB then watch out for Ginn. In either case, there should always be 1 of them open as long as they are on the field together.I hate the pick.I do not predict doom for Ginn as a player, but I still dislike the pick.Seems alot are bashing Ginn and making comments that really don't add up. MAking comparisons to Warrick are naive in knowing what kind of player Ginn is.So I'm just trying to help the Fins fans out a bit. I really don't care much about the Dolphins so it's no sweat off my back if they win or lose. But they're going to really happy about Ginn in a few years. But for some reason, without a single snap being played, many are predicting total doom. I just find that amazing.Wow Family Matters, you are in serious defense mode.
The absolute best he can do is live up to exactly what the 'phins thought they got, which would be a game breaking WR who is a spark plug in the return game. If they got early career Steve Smith out of this draft, they'll have a great player on their squad - you can't coach speed, which is why you draft it high.
That said, he will never be the face of the franchise, he has a tremendous uphill battle for fan support, they had bigger needs in other areas, and he can not single handedly turn the offense around unless you really believe he is a Randy Moss/Terrel Owens type. And I don't think anyone has those kind of illusions.
Much greater effect on the W-L column for the phins would have been an impact LB, impact DT, QB, or even a future 10-year stalwart on the OL.
With this injury news, he is not as likely to have an impact this year and he could have recurring problems (unless I misunderstand the nature of the Lis Franc injury). A team in the phins' situation spent a #9 on a taller Steve Smith? Steve Smith was a third round pick. Crappy pick for the fins, IMO, even if you feel Ginn is a top-10 talent.
On the flip side, he is a great kid, eminently coachable, he has a ton of measurable talent, he will be even better for the 'phins return game than Welker was, he could definitely evolve into a top-10 fantasy WR, and a player with that kind of speed can always get separation and command a safety's attention (something even Chris Chambers has had problems with).
In all, draft all the speedy receivers you want (Chambers aint no speed slouch), but if noone is behind center to throw them the ball and if the guy behind the center lacks the time to get the ball downfield, what good is being wide open downfield?
Could the reason he doesn't catch the ball in traffic be because he's usually well past the traffic? Just wondering.cue sick highlight reel...
Is that Ginn's fault? Would drafting Brady solve this problem? Does he need to run 40 to get open? Slants are always a great way to defeat an aggressive rush and Ginn can break it open on those. And if they choose to double that down then Chambers is very effective on deep 1 on 1 stuff down the sidelines. At least he used to be. They'll (D's) have to chose their poison.Will he be able to run a route 40 yards down field faster than the other teams DE can run 7 yards to get to the QB?
Is this really a valid argument? If there was a draft right now and you could get a guaranteed Steve Smith, I'm positive the player would go in the first round and likely pretty high in the first. I'm not saying Ginn is a guaranteed Steve Smith and arguments about why he won't be as successful as a Steve Smith are completely valid, but the fact that Steve Smith went in the 3rd round has no bearing on anything. If Miami believes that Ted Ginn is the next Steve Smith and a top-10 talent, they were totally justified in taking him with the 9th pick. There are many good arguments against Ginn, but Steve Smith being a 3rd round pick isn't one of them.A team in the phins' situation spent a #9 on a taller Steve Smith? Steve Smith was a third round pick. Crappy pick for the fins, IMO, even if you feel Ginn is a top-10 talent.
He is what I remember about early career Steve Smith. SS was not projected or expected to evolve into a WR1, same with Ginn. To fill that role on the team, the phins should not have spent a #9 overall pick.Rooster said:Is this really a valid argument? If there was a draft right now and you could get a guaranteed Steve Smith, I'm positive the player would go in the first round and likely pretty high in the first. I'm not saying Ginn is a guaranteed Steve Smith and arguments about why he won't be as successful as a Steve Smith are completely valid, but the fact that Steve Smith went in the 3rd round has no bearing on anything. If Miami believes that Ted Ginn is the next Steve Smith and a top-10 talent, they were totally justified in taking him with the 9th pick. There are many good arguments against Ginn, but Steve Smith being a 3rd round pick isn't one of them.A team in the phins' situation spent a #9 on a taller Steve Smith? Steve Smith was a third round pick. Crappy pick for the fins, IMO, even if you feel Ginn is a top-10 talent.
Ginn won't get the #1 DB for at least a year. Chambers will. But your point is valid. And it was not rejected by me - I made that point above when I mentioned he will command a safety's attention. I htink you should watch out for Ginn on play action - if Ginn releases cleanly, and the safety is frozen, Ginn should be behind the D in a flash.Family Matters said:You made apoint that should be noted and has to do with Chambers. Chambers has always drwn the best DB. Now Ginn will probably do that. If so then Chambers should go off. OTOH-if Chambers gets the best DB then watch out for Ginn. In either case, there should always be 1 of them open as long as they are on the field together.I hate the pick.I do not predict doom for Ginn as a player, but I still dislike the pick.Seems alot are bashing Ginn and making comments that really don't add up. MAking comparisons to Warrick are naive in knowing what kind of player Ginn is.So I'm just trying to help the Fins fans out a bit. I really don't care much about the Dolphins so it's no sweat off my back if they win or lose. But they're going to really happy about Ginn in a few years. But for some reason, without a single snap being played, many are predicting total doom. I just find that amazing.Wow Family Matters, you are in serious defense mode.
The absolute best he can do is live up to exactly what the 'phins thought they got, which would be a game breaking WR who is a spark plug in the return game. If they got early career Steve Smith out of this draft, they'll have a great player on their squad - you can't coach speed, which is why you draft it high.
That said, he will never be the face of the franchise, he has a tremendous uphill battle for fan support, they had bigger needs in other areas, and he can not single handedly turn the offense around unless you really believe he is a Randy Moss/Terrel Owens type. And I don't think anyone has those kind of illusions.
Much greater effect on the W-L column for the phins would have been an impact LB, impact DT, QB, or even a future 10-year stalwart on the OL.
With this injury news, he is not as likely to have an impact this year and he could have recurring problems (unless I misunderstand the nature of the Lis Franc injury). A team in the phins' situation spent a #9 on a taller Steve Smith? Steve Smith was a third round pick. Crappy pick for the fins, IMO, even if you feel Ginn is a top-10 talent.
On the flip side, he is a great kid, eminently coachable, he has a ton of measurable talent, he will be even better for the 'phins return game than Welker was, he could definitely evolve into a top-10 fantasy WR, and a player with that kind of speed can always get separation and command a safety's attention (something even Chris Chambers has had problems with).
In all, draft all the speedy receivers you want (Chambers aint no speed slouch), but if noone is behind center to throw them the ball and if the guy behind the center lacks the time to get the ball downfield, what good is being wide open downfield?
That was one point among many, but getting butts in the seats is something the phins need to work on. An impact defensive player would have had immediate fan support and would have increased ticket sales.Horses Mouth said:do you really think they expect him to be the face of the Dolphins organization? He's a college rookie pick who they believe offers superior KR speed and potential aid for Chris Chambers. He's not a sexy pick but half of college players bust so let's wait and see what happens at this point. Heck, Beck might be the face of MIA over the next few years after what we've been going through with Fiedler/Frerotte/Feely/Culpepper/Harrington/Lemon debacle. Patience.[That said, he will never be the face of the franchise,
* Let's be clear about this: Miami might have made a mistake drafting wide receiver Ted Ginn ahead of Brady Quinn, but it did not reach for him. Had the Dolphins passed on Ginn, the Houston Texans very likely would have taken Ginn one pick later at No. 10. Ginn was the player the Texans wanted. They envisioned lining him up as the home-run threat opposite Pro Bowl wide receiver Andre Johnson and giving them a pair of receivers that almost could equal Indianapolis' Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne.
....or maybe a KR who takes it to the house multiple times this season a la Dante Hall? Just saying...That was one point among many, but getting butts in the seats is something the phins need to work on. An impact defensive player would have had immediate fan support and would have increased ticket sales.Horses Mouth said:do you really think they expect him to be the face of the Dolphins organization? He's a college rookie pick who they believe offers superior KR speed and potential aid for Chris Chambers. He's not a sexy pick but half of college players bust so let's wait and see what happens at this point. Heck, Beck might be the face of MIA over the next few years after what we've been going through with Fiedler/Frerotte/Feely/Culpepper/Harrington/Lemon debacle. Patience.[That said, he will never be the face of the franchise,
HOU may not be the best team to use as an example of drafting aptitude.I don't feel like bumping other, older Ginn threads. So I'll just post this here. Everyone keeps saying that Mia reached for Ginn at 1.09. I and others have contested Ginn was gone in the top 15 picks even if Mia had not taken him at 9. Here's some fuel to the fire that Hou was taking him at 1.10.
http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10162719
* Let's be clear about this: Miami might have made a mistake drafting wide receiver Ted Ginn ahead of Brady Quinn, but it did not reach for him. Had the Dolphins passed on Ginn, the Houston Texans very likely would have taken Ginn one pick later at No. 10. Ginn was the player the Texans wanted. They envisioned lining him up as the home-run threat opposite Pro Bowl wide receiver Andre Johnson and giving them a pair of receivers that almost could equal Indianapolis' Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne.
You're right on the money here. I also like Ginn but he just doesn't make sense for where the Dolphins currently are. They have serious holes at QB and O line and most of their core defensive players are getting a little old. With far more important areas of need than WR a pick like Ginn just doesn't add up. The Dolphins have not been run well for awhile now. They were once one of the most stable franchises in the NFL but right now they are headed in the wrong direction. IMO this franchise is in a position where the other franchises in their division are far better run and I can really see some very rough waters for the Dolphins in the near future.I hate the pick.I do not predict doom for Ginn as a player, but I still dislike the pick.The absolute best he can do is live up to exactly what the 'phins thought they got, which would be a game breaking WR who is a spark plug in the return game. If they got early career Steve Smith out of this draft, they'll have a great player on their squad - you can't coach speed, which is why you draft it high.That said, he will never be the face of the franchise, he has a tremendous uphill battle for fan support, they had bigger needs in other areas, and he can not single handedly turn the offense around unless you really believe he is a Randy Moss/Terrel Owens type. And I don't think anyone has those kind of illusions.Much greater effect on the W-L column for the phins would have been an impact LB, impact DT, QB, or even a future 10-year stalwart on the OL.With this injury news, he is not as likely to have an impact this year and he could have recurring problems (unless I misunderstand the nature of the Lis Franc injury). A team in the phins' situation spent a #9 on a taller Steve Smith? Steve Smith was a third round pick. Crappy pick for the fins, IMO, even if you feel Ginn is a top-10 talent.On the flip side, he is a great kid, eminently coachable, he has a ton of measurable talent, he will be even better for the 'phins return game than Welker was, he could definitely evolve into a top-10 fantasy WR, and a player with that kind of speed can always get separation and command a safety's attention (something even Chris Chambers has had problems with).In all, draft all the speedy receivers you want (Chambers aint no speed slouch), but if noone is behind center to throw them the ball and if the guy behind the center lacks the time to get the ball downfield, what good is being wide open downfield?Seems alot are bashing Ginn and making comments that really don't add up. MAking comparisons to Warrick are naive in knowing what kind of player Ginn is.So I'm just trying to help the Fins fans out a bit. I really don't care much about the Dolphins so it's no sweat off my back if they win or lose. But they're going to really happy about Ginn in a few years. But for some reason, without a single snap being played, many are predicting total doom. I just find that amazing.Wow Family Matters, you are in serious defense mode.
That is irrelevant.HOU may not be the best team to use as an example of drafting aptitude.I don't feel like bumping other, older Ginn threads. So I'll just post this here. Everyone keeps saying that Mia reached for Ginn at 1.09. I and others have contested Ginn was gone in the top 15 picks even if Mia had not taken him at 9. Here's some fuel to the fire that Hou was taking him at 1.10.
http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10162719
* Let's be clear about this: Miami might have made a mistake drafting wide receiver Ted Ginn ahead of Brady Quinn, but it did not reach for him. Had the Dolphins passed on Ginn, the Houston Texans very likely would have taken Ginn one pick later at No. 10. Ginn was the player the Texans wanted. They envisioned lining him up as the home-run threat opposite Pro Bowl wide receiver Andre Johnson and giving them a pair of receivers that almost could equal Indianapolis' Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne.
If he does that, he will start to earn some grudging fan support.As a phin fan, I will re-iterate what I said above, but make it an easy one-liner. I have nothing against Ginn as a player or against his worth as a top-10 draft pick, but I hate the pick for the Dolphins. And I hate it as a fan of the team, even if Ginn performs as expected (which is a reach when talking first round WRs).....or maybe a KR who takes it to the house multiple times this season a la Dante Hall? Just saying...That was one point among many, but getting butts in the seats is something the phins need to work on. An impact defensive player would have had immediate fan support and would have increased ticket sales.Horses Mouth said:do you really think they expect him to be the face of the Dolphins organization? He's a college rookie pick who they believe offers superior KR speed and potential aid for Chris Chambers. He's not a sexy pick but half of college players bust so let's wait and see what happens at this point. Heck, Beck might be the face of MIA over the next few years after what we've been going through with Fiedler/Frerotte/Feely/Culpepper/Harrington/Lemon debacle. Patience.[That said, he will never be the face of the franchise,
Ummm, the reach is not the issue - the player they reached for is. Few folks dispute that Ginn was worth a #9-#15 pick. I would have been much happier with either Quinn, Okoye, or Willis in a Dolphin uniform with the #9, however.That is irrelevant.HOU may not be the best team to use as an example of drafting aptitude.I don't feel like bumping other, older Ginn threads. So I'll just post this here. Everyone keeps saying that Mia reached for Ginn at 1.09. I and others have contested Ginn was gone in the top 15 picks even if Mia had not taken him at 9. Here's some fuel to the fire that Hou was taking him at 1.10.
http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10162719
* Let's be clear about this: Miami might have made a mistake drafting wide receiver Ted Ginn ahead of Brady Quinn, but it did not reach for him. Had the Dolphins passed on Ginn, the Houston Texans very likely would have taken Ginn one pick later at No. 10. Ginn was the player the Texans wanted. They envisioned lining him up as the home-run threat opposite Pro Bowl wide receiver Andre Johnson and giving them a pair of receivers that almost could equal Indianapolis' Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne.
The "reach" is important and is what was widely discussed... in other threads. Many said Ginn was a 2nd round talent, Mia should have waited till the 2nd to take him, traded down 15 spots and still could have gotten him, ect. That is simply absurd IMO. As I said, I don't feel like bumping other Ginn threads. 1 on page one is enough for me.Ummm, the reach is not the issue - the player they reached for is. Few folks dispute that Ginn was worth a #9-#15 pick. I would have been much happier with either Quinn, Okoye, or Willis in a Dolphin uniform with the #9, however.That is irrelevant.HOU may not be the best team to use as an example of drafting aptitude.I don't feel like bumping other, older Ginn threads. So I'll just post this here. Everyone keeps saying that Mia reached for Ginn at 1.09. I and others have contested Ginn was gone in the top 15 picks even if Mia had not taken him at 9. Here's some fuel to the fire that Hou was taking him at 1.10.
http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10162719
* Let's be clear about this: Miami might have made a mistake drafting wide receiver Ted Ginn ahead of Brady Quinn, but it did not reach for him. Had the Dolphins passed on Ginn, the Houston Texans very likely would have taken Ginn one pick later at No. 10. Ginn was the player the Texans wanted. They envisioned lining him up as the home-run threat opposite Pro Bowl wide receiver Andre Johnson and giving them a pair of receivers that almost could equal Indianapolis' Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne.
Well, those folks are wrong. I don't think Ginn would have lasted more than 3-5 picks, if that.The 'phins still should have taken Okoye, Willis or Quinn instead.The "reach" is important and is what was widely discussed... in other threads. Many said Ginn was a 2nd round talent, Mia should have waited till the 2nd to take him, traded down 15 spots and still could have gotten him, ect. That is simply absurd IMO. As I said, I don't feel like bumping other Ginn threads. 1 on page one is enough for me.Ummm, the reach is not the issue - the player they reached for is. Few folks dispute that Ginn was worth a #9-#15 pick. I would have been much happier with either Quinn, Okoye, or Willis in a Dolphin uniform with the #9, however.That is irrelevant.HOU may not be the best team to use as an example of drafting aptitude.I don't feel like bumping other, older Ginn threads. So I'll just post this here. Everyone keeps saying that Mia reached for Ginn at 1.09. I and others have contested Ginn was gone in the top 15 picks even if Mia had not taken him at 9. Here's some fuel to the fire that Hou was taking him at 1.10.
http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10162719
* Let's be clear about this: Miami might have made a mistake drafting wide receiver Ted Ginn ahead of Brady Quinn, but it did not reach for him. Had the Dolphins passed on Ginn, the Houston Texans very likely would have taken Ginn one pick later at No. 10. Ginn was the player the Texans wanted. They envisioned lining him up as the home-run threat opposite Pro Bowl wide receiver Andre Johnson and giving them a pair of receivers that almost could equal Indianapolis' Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne.
Maybe. I think a lot of folks had their minds made up about Quinn and Ginn before the draft, and are stubbornly sticking to their evaluations, even in the face of evidence that maybe their pre-draft suppositions were wrong. I can understand why people thought the Fins made a mistake when they passed on Quinn, but as the draft went on, and Quinn continued to fall, it should have occured to people that maybe Quinn wasn't as highly rated as we all thought.I think it's also a byproduct of a few other things:1. The Fins QB situation has been such a horrible joke for so long, it just seemed like such a natural fit. Draft Quinn, who slipped to you, and solve the problem. No more retreads, no more 2nd round picks, no more gimpy CPepps. To a draftnik, it was a no brainer. If everyone knew about the Joe Thomas/Browns deal three weeks ago, alomst every mock would have had Quinn at #9. Maybe some to Minny.2. Ginn is a polarizing figure. Some people think he has no future as a WR. You don't hear such strong negative comments about any of the other top WR prospects. So the combo of passing on such a 'natural fit' for a guy a lot of people didn't like, and you get the backlash.i think another reason pick was panned almost universally is the concern about foot is priced in, & MIA may have been perceived as taking an unnecessary risk... if ginn had scored 2-3 TDs in national championship games, ran a 4.30 or 4.29 at combine (which he might have been capable of), there may have been a LOT less debate about whether he was a top 10-15 echelon talent in this draft...
I caught R. Lande on the radio last night. It is pretty clear that guy, as they say, knows people. Lande said he fully expected to see Quinn fall to Kansas City, as did several of his NFL contacts, if/when Quinn slipped by Miami. His point was that people in the "know" were not shocked...at all...about Quinn dropping. Also, Lande said the Panthers had informed K. Johnson he was being cut prior to the NFL draft. Somehow Lande had found himself the Tuesday before the draft. That is really odd considering the coverage K. Johnson provided for ESPN on Draft Day.Maybe. I think a lot of folks had their minds made up about Quinn and Ginn before the draft, and are stubbornly sticking to their evaluations, even in the face of evidence that maybe their pre-draft suppositions were wrong. I can understand why people thought the Fins made a mistake when they passed on Quinn, but as the draft went on, and Quinn continued to fall, it should have occured to people that maybe Quinn wasn't as highly rated as we all thought.I think it's also a byproduct of a few other things:i think another reason pick was panned almost universally is the concern about foot is priced in, & MIA may have been perceived as taking an unnecessary risk... if ginn had scored 2-3 TDs in national championship games, ran a 4.30 or 4.29 at combine (which he might have been capable of), there may have been a LOT less debate about whether he was a top 10-15 echelon talent in this draft...
1. The Fins QB situation has been such a horrible joke for so long, it just seemed like such a natural fit. Draft Quinn, who slipped to you, and solve the problem. No more retreads, no more 2nd round picks, no more gimpy CPepps. To a draftnik, it was a no brainer. If everyone knew about the Joe Thomas/Browns deal three weeks ago, alomst every mock would have had Quinn at #9. Maybe some to Minny.
2. Ginn is a polarizing figure. Some people think he has no future as a WR. You don't hear such strong negative comments about any of the other top WR prospects.
So the combo of passing on such a 'natural fit' for a guy a lot of people didn't like, and you get the backlash.
I'm not a Dolphins fan, but I think they were in a difficult spot when Levi Brown came off the board. I could see the logic passing on Quinn, I don't think he was necessarily worthy of a top 3 pick as many had pimped him as and I don't think he was worth it at #9. Ginn looks really impressive in the open field and can get back into top gear quickly after making a move on a defender. If they really wanted Ginn, I don't think Houston was going to pick him at #10, to me that is the Dolphins brass trying to quell the fans' outrage over the pick. They should have taken Okoye at #9. If they wanted Ginn, I feel they could have gotten him a little lower.Once Trent Green comes on board, this pick should sting a little less for Miami fans.You're right on the money here. I also like Ginn but he just doesn't make sense for where the Dolphins currently are. They have serious holes at QB and O line and most of their core defensive players are getting a little old. With far more important areas of need than WR a pick like Ginn just doesn't add up. The Dolphins have not been run well for awhile now. They were once one of the most stable franchises in the NFL but right now they are headed in the wrong direction. IMO this franchise is in a position where the other franchises in their division are far better run and I can really see some very rough waters for the Dolphins in the near future.I hate the pick.I do not predict doom for Ginn as a player, but I still dislike the pick.The absolute best he can do is live up to exactly what the 'phins thought they got, which would be a game breaking WR who is a spark plug in the return game. If they got early career Steve Smith out of this draft, they'll have a great player on their squad - you can't coach speed, which is why you draft it high.That said, he will never be the face of the franchise, he has a tremendous uphill battle for fan support, they had bigger needs in other areas, and he can not single handedly turn the offense around unless you really believe he is a Randy Moss/Terrel Owens type. And I don't think anyone has those kind of illusions.Much greater effect on the W-L column for the phins would have been an impact LB, impact DT, QB, or even a future 10-year stalwart on the OL.With this injury news, he is not as likely to have an impact this year and he could have recurring problems (unless I misunderstand the nature of the Lis Franc injury). A team in the phins' situation spent a #9 on a taller Steve Smith? Steve Smith was a third round pick. Crappy pick for the fins, IMO, even if you feel Ginn is a top-10 talent.On the flip side, he is a great kid, eminently coachable, he has a ton of measurable talent, he will be even better for the 'phins return game than Welker was, he could definitely evolve into a top-10 fantasy WR, and a player with that kind of speed can always get separation and command a safety's attention (something even Chris Chambers has had problems with).In all, draft all the speedy receivers you want (Chambers aint no speed slouch), but if noone is behind center to throw them the ball and if the guy behind the center lacks the time to get the ball downfield, what good is being wide open downfield?Seems alot are bashing Ginn and making comments that really don't add up. MAking comparisons to Warrick are naive in knowing what kind of player Ginn is.So I'm just trying to help the Fins fans out a bit. I really don't care much about the Dolphins so it's no sweat off my back if they win or lose. But they're going to really happy about Ginn in a few years. But for some reason, without a single snap being played, many are predicting total doom. I just find that amazing.Wow Family Matters, you are in serious defense mode.
it doesn't pay to be a FF diehard during May-July, because all we get to read is puff pastry like this . . .more background on ginn...
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/dolphins/cont...phins_0506.html
Ginn determined to succeed
By Edgar Thompson
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Sunday, May 06, 2007
Even Miami Dolphins rookie wide receiver Ted Ginn Jr.'s superhuman speed can't help him escape the tight spot he's in.
Stuck on a frustrating path of doubt and injury since he last played nearly four months ago, Ginn can't seem to put those problems behind him.
For the first time in his athletic life, Ginn is ordinary - a word not befitting a No. 9 draft pick.
Ginn has always been able to turn heads with big plays, but since spraining his foot in the BCS title game in January, critics have been able to match him stride for stride.
They say he's not durable enough, too small and doesn't have enough experience as a receiver.
"You can't appreciate it until you're around it all the time," said Darrell Hazell, Ginn's receivers coach at Ohio State. "You might see a couple of clips here and there, but when you see it over and over and over again, you understand.
"When you study Ted, he's a freak."
Hazell's not alone. Those who have seen Ginn blossom from a two-sport All-America in high school to an NCAA record-setter guarantee he'll make people forget Brady Quinn, the ex-Notre Dame quarterback nearly everyone outside the Dolphins' draft room assumed was bound for South Florida.
Take Terry Robiskie, the Dolphins' receivers coach who has followed Ginn's career for five or six years. The past two seasons, Robiskie has seen every Ohio State game and roughly 90 percent of the team's practice films because his son Brian also has played for the Buckeyes the past two seasons.
At the risk of South Florida sacrilege, Robiskie offers an opinion of Ginn he thinks fans will understand.
"He has Mark Clayton's speed and Nat Moore's quickness," Robiskie said, referencing two Dolphins stars. "You might want to get a Coke or might want to go to the bathroom ... you can't do that with this kid. He might score."
Former Washington Redskins quarterback Joe Theismann doesn't think Ginn's size (5-foot-11, 178 pounds) will hinder him. After all, Theismann threw touchdown passes during Super Bowl XVII to a couple of diminutive receivers, Alvin Garrett and Charlie Brown, known as the "Smurfs."
"To me, the smaller wide receivers are terrific slot guys. They get separation, they get into the holes quicker," Theismann said. "It makes it easier visually for me to throw the football."
But the Dolphins drafted Ginn to do much more than simply line up in the slot or return kicks.
Even though Ginn is sidelined indefinitely with a mid-foot sprain suffered in an end-zone pile-up after returning the opening kickoff of the national title game for a touchdown, the soft-spoken 22-year-old is ready to prove his doubters wrong.
"If I do what the team asks, I think the fans will come around and say, 'Hey, this was a great pick. This is what we needed,''" Ginn said. "You won't hear no more Brady Quinn."
With Ginn, it might not take too long to find out.
Let Butch Reynolds, the world-record holder in the 400-meter dash from 1988 to 1999, give an idea of Ginn's running ability.
A two-time Olympic medalist in 1988 and current Buckeyes speed coach, Reynolds said Ginn would have made one of the U.S. relay teams in 2004.
With training, Reynolds said this week, Ginn, ranked No. 1 in the nation in the 110-meter hurdles his final two years in high school, could run the 400 in the 44-second range.
"He has world-class speed," he said. "And when you're world-class, you can make things happen."
Ginn made enough things happen at Ohio State to generate pre-season Heisman buzz the past two seasons.
Ginn's three-touchdown performance (rushing, punt return and receiving) as a freshman at Michigan State put him on the map. A 68-yard end-around and 56-yard catch against Notre Dame in the 2006 Fiesta Bowl made Ginn a household name.
In college, Ginn caught passes, ran reverses and returned eight kicks for touchdowns, which tied an NCAA career record. He even threw a 44-yard touchdown pass.
First-year coach Cam Cameron once coached a quarterback at Indiana, who's now Washington's No. 2 receiver.
"There is some uniqueness there and a lot of similarities," Cameron said of Randle El and Ginn. "They are almost carbon copies. It's almost scary."
Still, the file on Ginn - like his lean build - wasn't thick enough to entice many NFL teams holding top-10 picks.
Handcuffed by a conservative Ohio State attack and undivided attention from defenses, Ginn touched the ball an average of 41/2 times from scrimmage in 36 games.
He disappeared as often as he dominated.
In a victory last season at Texas, Ginn caught five passes for 97 yards, including a 46-yard play where he burned cornerback Aaron Ross, the No. 20 pick last weekend by the New York Giants. In a home loss to the Longhorns a season earlier, Ginn had a combined 7 yards on two catches and one carry.
Until Ginn proves he's even better than a player like Randle El, the 62nd pick in 2002, he'll have to answer his critics.
Many wonder if Ginn can play the game he did in college, touch the ball more and hold up to a 16-game NFL schedule.
"Football is football," said Dolphins receiver Az-Zahir Hakim, a nine-year veteran who entered the league as a returner and receiver. "It's how much you want to get on the field."
Ginn's mind is ready to go. His body isn't.
He can wait.
Because once he's on the field, Ginn might be one of the few people fast enough to make up for lost time.
"I just love to play the game," he said. "I put a lot of heart behind it. I go in with a lot of competitiveness and try to show it every time I touch the ball."
Really, you didn't know this?Ralso didn't know that buckeyes track coach is butch reynolds, former 400 m record holder, & that he thought ginn would have been on the olympic relay team...