Terrell Owens/Keyshawn Johnson feud (1 Viewer)

[Ghost Rider]

And away we go!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3152144



Terrell Owens, unusually quiet this season, but never at a loss for words when the occasion required it, responded forcefully Wednesday to comments made last weekend by former Dallas Cowboys receiver Keyshawn Johnson, now an analyst on ESPN's "Sunday NFL Countdown."

On the show, Johnson said he believed former Cowboys coach Bill Parcells -- now also an analyst with ESPN -- deserves credit for what the Dallas team looks like now, with a 12-1 record.

In Dallas, Owens sharply criticized Johnson for defending Parcells, saying, "I challenge him to come down here and take my job. ESPN producers, let him go."

Asked in the locker room why Johnson would take the position he did Sunday, Owens said: "I'm probably the reason he's in the booth now. He's going to be a hater and throw me under the bus because he has to defend Bill. He won a Super Bowl and all, but you'd have to check the roster to know he was even on the team.

"We came out in the same year. He was a first-rounder and I was a third. Go compare our stats. He couldn't come down here now and be a third or fourth receiver on this team. Just compare our stats."

Owens swung between addressing the Cowboys-as-built-by-Parcells theory and responding to Johnson's comments.

"It's not a matter of me giving or not giving Bill credit," Owens said, according to The Dallas Morning News. "Everybody wants to make a big deal, that this is the team he built. It doesn't matter. ... My thing is give credit to Wade [Phillips]. The difference between Wade and Parcells is this: Parcells, he didn't use me as a playmaker; Wade, he got the staff, and that's what I'm being used as.

"Plain and simple, without trying to be negative or anything. I'm being used as a playmaker, and as I said, the proof is in the pudding."

And then back to delivering a verbal barrage at Johnson:

"Those guys are probably talking about me, chopping it up, drinking coffee," Owens said. "They can have their little pity party and talk about me all day long. It doesn't bother me. There's a lot of people on the ESPN panel and across the country that has observed what has happened this year versus last year. And there's a lot of people that just don't want to give credit for what Wade has done and what wasn't done last year. That's it. I'm not trying to be negative."

 

[Ghost Rider]

Also, Johnson was just on NFL Live and basically said that Owens is making a big deal out of nothing and suggested that Owens didn't really understand his point. He didn't seem bothered at all by what Owens said about him.

 

[shadyridr]

I actually agree with everything TO says here for the first time ever.

 

[John Mamula]

i would rather have kershawn johnson over TO on my team.

 

[ckalltheway]

your team would not win a lot of games then

 

[benm3218]

hahaha yeah TO is right this time. WP is a better coach this year.

 

[purestrength]

For once in my life, I agree with Keyshawn.

I saw the TO interview on NFL Live and it's obvious he didn't get Keyshawn's point.

 

[The Shizzle]

WP is a better coach for this year, but Parcells does deserve quite a bit of credit for where Dallas is now. Parcell's is a fantastic team builder.

 

[Jous]

Philips is doing a better job this year than Parcells did last year, but I don't think anyone would argue that overall and historically Parcells is far superior though.

 

[Dodge]

I think Jason Garret runs a better offense than the crew of coaches Parcells assembled. I don't think Wade has any significant say in the Offense, which is what is better this year.

Edit: Significant mean he's not designing and calling plays.

 

[RC94]

For once in my life, I agree with Keyshawn.I saw the TO interview on NFL Live and it's obvious he didn't get Keyshawn's point.

WP is a better coach for this year, but Parcells does deserve quite a bit of credit for where Dallas is now. Parcell's is a fantastic team builder.

I agree with both of these posts.

 

[ctdub]

WP is a better coach for this year, but Parcells does deserve quite a bit of credit for where Dallas is now. Parcell's is a fantastic team builder.

I respectfully disagreeRomo=Paytons GuyOwens= Jerry Jones guyJulius Jones=Parcells GuyBobby Carpenter= Parcells GuyTerry Glenn= Parcells GuyDrew Bledsoe= Parcells GuyNot that Wade built this team ( he clearly didn't). But he has done a better job getting the most out of his players. Jason Garrett deserves some credit also...

 

[Tommy Collins]

WP is a better coach for this year, but Parcells does deserve quite a bit of credit for where Dallas is now. Parcell's is a fantastic team builder.

Which makes me wonder if he'll follow the footsteps of Marv Levy, coach to GM.

 

[Kosar]

More classless comments from an extremely classless individual.

 

[zoonation]

Keyshawn is a moron and proves it every week on that horrible show.

At the beginning of the year Johnson said TO would rip the team apart. He has continually taken shots at him throughout the year. There is no doubt the Cowboys are a better team this year and that TO is being used as a weapon most games rather than just another wideout.

Also, comparing TO to Johnson is laughable. TO is a fall of famer today. Johnson has no sniff, but will still find ways to talk about himself on that terrible show.

 

[Kosar]

So what's the bigger difference here? Wade as head coach, or Jason Garrett as O.C.?

I guess you could argue that Parcells wouldn't have Garrett as O.C. this year if he was still coach, but who knows?

 

[redman]

You can't fix stupid.

Shut up and go run a route, TO.

 

[Tyrion]

Keyshawn is a moron and proves it every week on that horrible show.At the beginning of the year Johnson said TO would rip the team apart. He has continually taken shots at him throughout the year. There is no doubt the Cowboys are a better team this year and that TO is being used as a weapon most games rather than just another wideout.Also, comparing TO to Johnson is laughable. TO is a fall of famer today. Johnson has no sniff, but will still find ways to talk about himself on that terrible show.

He was also pretty critical of Wade Phillips and his "relaxed" atmospher. TO has never been eloquent and probably didn't make his point as well as he should but Keyshawn can't act like he hasn't been critical of the Cowboys this season.I also want to say that I appreciate what Bill did for the Cowboys. He made some good moves personel wise and he helped develop some good qualities within the team He took the Cowboys as far as he could and now Wade and Jason have moved them that much further up the ladder.Bill deserves his credit but I think Wade deserves a ton more than he has been getting.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I'm with TO on this. Keyshawn keeps wanting to make a big deal out of TO saying he's loving the coaching staff this year. Well that's a fact. Key seems to have a chip on his shoulder that everytime TO says he loves Wade Phillips that means he hates Parcells.

I think Owens has handled it fine.

And I like Keyshawn fine. He's just wrong on this one. As is the case with many things, when it stops being business and starts getting personal, it goes badly for you.

J

 

[zoonation]

I'm with TO on this. Keyshawn keeps wanting to make a big deal out of TO saying he's loving the coaching staff this year. Well that's a fact. Key seems to have a chip on his shoulder that everytime TO says he loves Wade Phillips that means he hates Parcells.I think Owens has handled it fine. And I like Keyshawn fine. He's just wrong on this one. As is the case with many things, when it stops being business and starts getting personal, it goes badly for you.J

Keyshawn ruins that show with his incoherent ramblings, week in week out.

 

[NYCGangGreen]

WP is a better coach for this year, but Parcells does deserve quite a bit of credit for where Dallas is now. Parcell's is a fantastic team builder.

I respectfully disagreeRomo=Paytons GuyOwens= Jerry Jones guyJulius Jones=Parcells GuyBobby Carpenter= Parcells GuyTerry Glenn= Parcells GuyDrew Bledsoe= Parcells GuyNot that Wade built this team ( he clearly didn't). But he has done a better job getting the most out of his players. Jason Garrett deserves some credit also...

Not to mention the fact Wade has actually used Marion Barber correctly, while Parcells was a Jones, then a little Barber in the mix...and maybe a little Tyson thrown in too.Parcells is no doubt a terrific coach, and has quite the stats to back it up...but Wade has just found a way to use the players he has in place to best fit the offense. I'm with T.O. on this....

 

[bcr8f]

hahaha yeah TO is right this time. WP is a better coach this year.

You miss the whole point. Keyshawn didn't throw TO under any bus but TO is too selfish and stupid to even get it.

 

[tombonneau]

Maybe I missed it, but it doesn't come across in the article that Keyshawn is criticizing the current regime. Merely pointing out that Tuna deserves some credit for building that team; sort of like how Callahan was able to take Gruden's Raiders team to the SB, and, ironically, in the same year, Gruden was able to win a SB with Dungy's team.

Ironically, one of the few players on the roster Parcells was not involved with acquiring -- Nick Folk -- likely would have won Tuna a few more games last year in which case he very well would still be coaching the team.

 

[zoonation]

hahaha yeah TO is right this time. WP is a better coach this year.

You miss the whole point. Keyshawn didn't throw TO under any bus but TO is too selfish and stupid to even get it.

You clearly haven't watched Key diss TO all year. I don't think it is fair to isolate TO's comments to this one point that Key made. To was responding to al of the garbage that has come out of that bafoon's mouth all year re: him personally and the Cowboys as a team.

 

[phthalatemagic]

your team would not win a lot of games then

Only 91 of them, not counting a Super Bowl.

 

[jturner01]

WP is a better coach for this year, but Parcells does deserve quite a bit of credit for where Dallas is now. Parcell's is a fantastic team builder.

I respectfully disagreeRomo=Paytons GuyOwens= Jerry Jones guyJulius Jones=Parcells GuyBobby Carpenter= Parcells GuyTerry Glenn= Parcells GuyDrew Bledsoe= Parcells GuyNot that Wade built this team ( he clearly didn't). But he has done a better job getting the most out of his players. Jason Garrett deserves some credit also...

Parcells put the nucleus together for this team. he is probably a batter GM than a coach at this point in his career though.

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

your team would not win a lot of games then

Only 91 of them, not counting a Super Bowl.

You a Dolphin Fan? Because if you choose players like this the two of you would have allot in common.

 

[DWidmar]

Last year everyone was bashing Bill Parcells saying he wasn't getting enough out of this team. The Cowboys had a big slide and almost missed the playoffs. Romo played poorly for a stretch. Again, Parcells was being blamed for all of this.

One year later, everyone want's to give Parcells credit for building the team. Well OK. Building a team is only half of it, if you can't get the players to play as a team then you will not go far in the playoffs if you even make the playoffs. Wade Phillips is getting the shaft as far as credit goes for the results this year. He has made the playoffs in his first year everywhere he has gone. (IIRC) Truth is that his leadership is about enabling his coaches to perform their jobs and his relaxed style is good for his players.

Why is it that Parcells (the head coach) gets blamed for not moving TO around and utilizing his skills. Yet when TO is being moved around this year, we give the credit to Jason Garrett? (offensive coordinator) Truth is we don't know how much Wade is involved in the game planning. Someone above posted that Garrett does it all. How do you know that? The head coach gets the blame and he certainly deserves the credit.

 

[richn]

TO is a huge playmaker on my team this year. Why didn't he give me any props, giving him the confidence taking him @ 2.10???? C'mon TO where does your loyalty lie????

 

[John Mamula]

your team would not win a lot of games then

Only 91 of them, not counting a Super Bowl.

Super Bowls:Key - 1TO - 0Suck on that Terrell.

 

[Phlash]

I'm with TO on this. Keyshawn keeps wanting to make a big deal out of TO saying he's loving the coaching staff this year. Well that's a fact. Key seems to have a chip on his shoulder that everytime TO says he loves Wade Phillips that means he hates Parcells.I think Owens has handled it fine. And I like Keyshawn fine. He's just wrong on this one. As is the case with many things, when it stops being business and starts getting personal, it goes badly for you.J

Keyshawn ruins that show with his incoherent ramblings, week in week out.

I think he's fine. He actually comes off as someone with a certain amount of intellect, which is a far cry from the incoherent ramblings of Michael Irvin.

 

[trader jake]

No "separated at birth" option?

 

[mr. furley]

Keyshawn just appeared on SportsCenter to whine. fairly large dose of hypocrisy being dished out by Key. no shock. guy is a world class #######.

guy needs to go away. forever.

 

[Brutis]

Keyshawn is a moron and proves it every week on that horrible show.

At the beginning of the year Johnson said TO would rip the team apart. He has continually taken shots at him throughout the year. There is no doubt the Cowboys are a better team this year and that TO is being used as a weapon most games rather than just another wideout.

Also, comparing TO to Johnson is laughable. TO is a fall of famer today. Johnson has no sniff, but will still find ways to talk about himself on that terrible show.

He was also pretty critical of Wade Phillips and his "relaxed" atmospher. TO has never been eloquent and probably didn't make his point as well as he should but Keyshawn can't act like he hasn't been critical of the Cowboys this season.

I also want to say that I appreciate what Bill did for the Cowboys. He made some good moves personel wise and he helped develop some good qualities within the team He took the Cowboys as far as he could and now Wade and Jason have moved them that much further up the ladder.

Bill deserves his credit but I think Wade deserves a ton more than he has been getting.

 

[phthalatemagic]

your team would not win a lot of games then

Only 91 of them, not counting a Super Bowl.

You a Dolphin Fan? Because if you choose players like this the two of you would have allot in common.

No. However considering your Cardinal fandom, I can understand how unimportant Super Bowls are from your perspective.

 

[jturner01]

I'm with TO on this. Keyshawn keeps wanting to make a big deal out of TO saying he's loving the coaching staff this year. Well that's a fact. Key seems to have a chip on his shoulder that everytime TO says he loves Wade Phillips that means he hates Parcells.I think Owens has handled it fine. And I like Keyshawn fine. He's just wrong on this one. As is the case with many things, when it stops being business and starts getting personal, it goes badly for you.J

Keyshawn ruins that show with his incoherent ramblings, week in week out.

I think he's fine. He actually comes off as someone with a certain amount of intellect, which is a far cry from the incoherent ramblings of Michael Irvin.

I disagree. Keyshawn is in the mold of Steven A Smith and Skip Clueles. "Talk louder to make a point and they wiil believe me" . They do not come across as objective, nor do they appear to add value to the conversation, very often. They should learn to make a point and then allow other pepole to express thier point of view, it would be more interesting.

 

[Blue-Kun]

I can't believe TO is correct about something. Damn you Meshawn!

 

[General Tso]

WOW! I just saw ESPN and TO went OFF on KJ. Challenged him to come out of retirement even! I din't realize KJ caught 1 TD with 106 passes. That's quite an amazing stat.

TO is write about Bill Parcells - you have to wonder how goof the Cowboys would have done last year without him. Think about it - BP leaves and the Cowboys only lose one game all year. Tells you something doesn't it.

 

[Beggin4Par]

WOW! I just saw ESPN and TO went OFF on KJ. Challenged him to come out of retirement even! I din't realize KJ caught 1 TD with 106 passes. That's quite an amazing stat.TO is write about Bill Parcells - you have to wonder how goof the Cowboys would have done last year without him. Think about it - BP leaves and the Cowboys only lose one game all year. Tells you something doesn't it.

TO is right. How can Keyshawn give credit to Parcells without taking some credit away from Philllips?Additionally, if Parcells was such a good coach, then why did it takes him so long to trust his instincts and get Romo on the field?

 

[cowboyz]

good for TO, keyshawn has been ripping him every week, and then follows up with his condescending advice, what a joke.

TO should get a recording of what keyshawn has said all season and play it back in his next interview.

 

[Green94]

I really wish people would stop calling him "Key"

 

[Ghost Rider]

I hate to side with Owens, EVER, but I have to this time around. Johnson is acting like he is personally insulted that people are saying that Parcells couldn't get the Cowboys to the next level, when the truth of the matter is, Parcells WASN'T able to get the Cowboys to the next level.

Also, someone should remind Johnson that he was cut by the Panthers last April. On Draft Day, he was talking about what a huge asset Dwayne Jarrett would be to their team (Johnson was still referring to the Panthers as "our" team), but he was cut. So, for him to say, "I am not playing anymore because I had other things to conquer," is the biggest load of crap ever.

Besides, Johnson was never as good on the field as his mouth would lead everyone to believe. He was a good possession receiver; nothing more, nothing less.

 

[BigTex]

WP is a better coach for this year, but Parcells does deserve quite a bit of credit for where Dallas is now. Parcell's is a fantastic team builder.

I respectfully disagreeRomo=Paytons GuyOwens= Jerry Jones guyJulius Jones=Parcells GuyBobby Carpenter= Parcells GuyTerry Glenn= Parcells GuyDrew Bledsoe= Parcells GuyNot that Wade built this team ( he clearly didn't). But he has done a better job getting the most out of his players. Jason Garrett deserves some credit also...

This post doesn't have "ALL" the comments which would paint the picture a little different. Locally we've heard it all. There's a pod link on ESPN which has "ALL" the comments and it seems that Key is a little bitter.

 

[BigTex]

WOW! I just saw ESPN and TO went OFF on KJ. Challenged him to come out of retirement even! I din't realize KJ caught 1 TD with 106 passes. That's quite an amazing stat.TO is write about Bill Parcells - you have to wonder how goof the Cowboys would have done last year without him. Think about it - BP leaves and the Cowboys only lose one game all year. Tells you something doesn't it.

TO is right. How can Keyshawn give credit to Parcells without taking some credit away from Philllips?Additionally, if Parcells was such a good coach, then why did it takes him so long to trust his instincts and get Romo on the field?

Bill never intended for Romo to get on the field. The fans wanted Romo and so did Jerry. This is another falacy by the Bill loving media. Bill had absolutely nothing to do with Romo or his development.

 

[Banger]

Keyshawn is jealous of TO.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Keyshawn is jealous of TO.

 

[BigTex]

Last year everyone was bashing Bill Parcells saying he wasn't getting enough out of this team. The Cowboys had a big slide and almost missed the playoffs. Romo played poorly for a stretch. Again, Parcells was being blamed for all of this. One year later, everyone want's to give Parcells credit for building the team. Well OK. Building a team is only half of it, if you can't get the players to play as a team then you will not go far in the playoffs if you even make the playoffs. Wade Phillips is getting the shaft as far as credit goes for the results this year. He has made the playoffs in his first year everywhere he has gone. (IIRC) Truth is that his leadership is about enabling his coaches to perform their jobs and his relaxed style is good for his players. Why is it that Parcells (the head coach) gets blamed for not moving TO around and utilizing his skills. Yet when TO is being moved around this year, we give the credit to Jason Garrett? (offensive coordinator) Truth is we don't know how much Wade is involved in the game planning. Someone above posted that Garrett does it all. How do you know that? The head coach gets the blame and he certainly deserves the credit.

Garrett controls this offense. Bill controlled the entire team. Bill stunk/stinks and could not get the best of his players because the times has passed him by and he was too "old school" to change (see the NO game). There was a mass celebration amongst the players and coaches when Bill left town.P.S.Bill clearly did not like TO, TO is Jerry's guy and he's going nowhere until Jerry says. During press conferences Bill never called TO by his name only "that player" or when TO had the "over dose" incident Bill never called him to check on him and never address him when he got back to the practice field. This is one reason why TO could care less for Bill. Other players saw how Bill treated TO and privately they didn't like it and lost what respect they had for Bill.

 

[Banger]

It's obvious that the focus of the offense is around TO this year and he's been unstoppable nearly every week. He was obviously not the focus last year and they weren't as good. Who deserves the credit for the change? I'd say Phillips and his staff.

 

[Jeff Haseley]

I side with Keyshawn on this. Wade Phillips may be doing a good coaching job this year, or maybe it's more Jason Garrett's play calling, but all Keyshawn is saying is that the Cowboys are who they are because of Bill Parcells talents at creating a team from the draft, from free agency, etc, but mostly the draft. That's Bill's forte - his bread and butter. Wade essentially inherited this team. Sure he has to make the final decision on play calling, game preparation and keeping the cohesion of a winning team, but how much of the success of a team is play calling and how much is just shear talent? I'm a big fan of Wade Phillips. I want to see him succeed, being a Bills fan and seeing him pass through the Bills organization - he was a class act from what I know about him. I'm not necessarily slighting his efforts, because he was hired to come in and save things, make things right again in Dallas and he has done that 100%. However, he's not the reason for why all of those players are there and I think that's what Keyshawn is saying. Nothing more, nothing less. Keyshawn wasn't attacking T.O. at all from the get go, T.O. got involved, because he didn't like his coach getting slighted, which I think was result of Keyshawn not choosing the best words to explain his thoughts.

One thing is for sure - Parcells could be a great GM or scout when it comes to player evaluation. He definitely needs to have more air time on draft day, because the man knows what he's talking about and what he's looking for. If he's anything, he's a great judge of talent.

 

[Banger]

I side with Keyshawn on this. Wade Phillips may be doing a good coaching job this year, or maybe it's more Jason Garrett's play calling, but all Keyshawn is saying is that the Cowboys are who they are because of Bill Parcels talents at creating a team from the draft, from free agency, etc, but mostly the draft. That's Bill's forte - his bread and butter. Wade essentially inherited this team. Sure he has to make the final decision on play calling, game preparation and keeping the cohesion of a winning team, but how much of the success of a team is play calling and how much is just shear talent? I'm a big fan of Wade Phillips. I want to see him succeed, being a Bills fan and seeing him pass through the Bills organization - he was a class act from what I know about him. I'm not necessarily slighting his efforts, because was hired to come in and save things, make things right again in Dallas and he has done that 100%. However, he's not the reason for why all of those players are there and I think that's what Keyshawn is saying. Nothing more, nothing less. Keyshawn wasn't attacking T.O. at all from the get go, T.O. got involved, because he didn't like his coach getting slighted, which I think was result of Keyshawn not choosing the best words to explain his thoughts.

I don't think many would debate that Bill left the team in good shape and that Wade was walking into a great situation compared to most coach's. I think the issue is the constant Keyshawn drumbeat against TO. In this particular instance he didn't fire directly at TO but I applaud TO standing up for his coach. A big difference in the team this year is the offense and their utilization of TO. Would Parcells have done that? Nope, otherwise he would have/should have done it last year. This team is averaging 30 yards and 6 pts more per game than last year. Really, what's TO supposed to say? "Ya, Wade really didn't have to do much, he inheritted a good team."