Insein
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Texans adopt RBBC tactic (1 Viewer)
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Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
Sweeeeet
signed
Someone who didn't draft Arian Foster
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Someone who didn't draft Arian Foster
Picked up Ward last night thanks to listening to The Audible.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Until I see it on the field, I'm going to chalk this up as coachspeak.
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
As a Foster owner, I fail to see how this is a bad thing. I would rather he see a few less touches during the season and stay fresh, than to be completely worn down and beat up by the time the playoffs start.
njherdfan
Footballguy
Until Foster falters, there's no reason to assume he won't get the lions share of carries. I just take this as confirmation that Slaton's role in the offense is now non-existent.
Mr. Chumley
Footballguy
Great!
I have a deal on the table to get Foster and B. Edwards for Andre Johnson and Cedric Benson. This little tidbit could change everything.
packersfan
Footballguy
Ward has averaged two carries per game the last two weeks. "More carries" is pretty subjective here. It could mean 4-5 per game which makes him no threat to Foster and not viable for fantasy owners. Unless they plan to give Ward 10+ carries and/or he keeps scoring touchdowns every week this all sounds like a lot of speculation.
And no, I'm not a Foster owner. Unfortunately.
And no, I'm not a Foster owner. Unfortunately.
Insein
Footballguy
We've pretty much seen it already. Ever since that "bench Arian for the first half" game, Derek ward has been involved for at least a few carries in which he has broken off a few big gains. Now he will get more carries. I have both but Its definitely going to take away from Foster game to game even though he will probably be fresher later in the season.
zamboni
Footballguy
Except that he wouldn't telegraph it.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
As someone who owns both I hope that there is one dominant ball carrier. Two so so starts isnt going to do me any good in fantasy.
Agreed- he made similar comments before last week's game, and the touch breakdown was 24/4. I wouldn't be surprised if Ward gets a couple more per game, but a full blown RBBC isn't likely at all.
Insein
Footballguy
But... but... its Kubiak!
Mr. Chumley
Footballguy
Normlly I wold discount this but Kubiac learned under Shanny and that guy never saw a RBBC he didn't like.But... but... its Kubiak!
Lobary
Footballguy
Based on what, exactly? All this talk about Kubiak supposedly favoring RBBCs is not grounded in factual reality but rather a byproduct of 1) his ties to Mike Shanahan and the Denver Broncos and 2) the average-to-crappy running backs he's had since taking over as head coach in Houston. When you're looking down your bench at guys like Ron Dayne, Wali Lundy, Ahman Green, and Chris Brown, most coaches are going to adopt a committee approach because none of those backs were particularly productive. Kubiak isn't stupid and he knows what he has in Arian Foster. Look at Steve Slaton's rookie season, for example. Slaton was expected to be a change-of-pace third down back, but he won the job early and stayed on the field most of the time despite the presence of Ahman Green and his large contract. Foster is the best running back the Texans have had since Kubiak took over. If Kubiak would lean heavily on Slaton his rookie season, there's no reason to think he won't do the same thing with Arian Foster. Derrick Ward might get a few more touches now but they aren't enough to negatively impact Foster's value, nor does this coachspeak warrant these Kubiak/RBBC threads.
I was concerned that something like this would happen in Houston - Foster has been an absolute stud in the first 1/3 of the season which made my concerns look overblown, but now this... We'll see how it actually plays out on the field. I have picked up Ward in multiple leagues, though... a developing situation, for sure.
Lobary
Footballguy
Ward had three carries in the last game! Yeah, he broke off a long one for a TD-- which is quite obviously a good thing for Derrick Ward owners and my fellow Texans fans-- but it should also be noted that he's not stealing the goal line touches, either. On the fourth-quarter drive where Foster scored his second TD, Ward spelled him for a play and ripped off a nice 16-yd gain on 2nd and 10 from the KC 22. That put the Texans in first-and-goal on the 6-yd line, whereupon Foster reentered the game and got the next two carries for the TD.
njherdfan
Footballguy
I feel like it's been established in other Foster threads that Kubiak has stated that he wished he didn't need to use a RBBC approach, and he'd prefer to have one lead back, but he never thought he had the right back in the past. I don't think that's the case anymore.Mr. Chumley said:Normlly I wold discount this but Kubiac learned under Shanny and that guy never saw a RBBC he didn't like.Insein said:But... but... its Kubiak!Hoosier16 said:
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
How this myth still persists in the Shark Pool is beyond my comprehension. Seriously, someone should permanently pin one of SSOG's posts debunking this myth in the Shark Pool so we can quit hearing this nonsense.Mr. Chumley said:Normlly I wold discount this but Kubiac learned under Shanny and that guy never saw a RBBC he didn't like.Insein said:But... but... its Kubiak!Hoosier16 said:
OMG Sell! And Sell Chirs Johnson too since he in RBBC since Ringer as avg 7 touchs a game and had some niffty long runs.
Overblown, over the top. I think houston offesnse would be better off giving ward 7-10 touchs and foster 20-25 touchs a game.
And that not whole lot differnt then 24-4 split last week, foster was used in the passing game 6 catchs to wards 1 and all the GL looks. Let's not panic over 3-4 more touchs a game for ward.
Overblown, over the top. I think houston offesnse would be better off giving ward 7-10 touchs and foster 20-25 touchs a game.
And that not whole lot differnt then 24-4 split last week, foster was used in the passing game 6 catchs to wards 1 and all the GL looks. Let's not panic over 3-4 more touchs a game for ward.
Max Maximus
Footballguy
Yeah Ward got 3 carries last game, 1 carry the previous game, and 11 caries the game before (when Foster was benched)
No worries. Ward will refresh Foster here and there
No worries. Ward will refresh Foster here and there
Wolfpacker
Footballguy
Agree. Foster is currently the #1 RB in my league. Even if he produces 10% less per game average than what he has given me already, it's still more than I, or anyone else expected when I drafted him.Dexter Manley said:
Agreed, it's amazing to me how people can even think this, when the reality is it's almost 180 degrees opposite.How this myth still persists in the Shark Pool is beyond my comprehension. Seriously, someone should permanently pin one of SSOG's posts debunking this myth in the Shark Pool so we can quit hearing this nonsense.Mr. Chumley said:Normlly I wold discount this but Kubiac learned under Shanny and that guy never saw a RBBC he didn't like.Insein said:But... but... its Kubiak!Hoosier16 said:
This thread title is a bit sensationalist and should absolutely be changed.
When the backup running back is averaging less than 3 carries per game (in games that the starter was not benched for the 1st quarter), OF COURSE HE SHOULD GET MORE CARRIES! It is a smart idea to keep your most talented running back fresh and healthy. Giving any running back 80%+ of all caries is a good way to run him directly into the ground and either get him injured or leave him so beat down by the end of the season that he is performing well under his capabilities.
Is Ward going to get more than the 2 carries per game he is currently getting when Foster is the starter (taking out the game he was benched for the first quarter)? Most certainly yes. Is this backfield going to approach anything close to a RBBC? I sincerely doubt it.
When the backup running back is averaging less than 3 carries per game (in games that the starter was not benched for the 1st quarter), OF COURSE HE SHOULD GET MORE CARRIES! It is a smart idea to keep your most talented running back fresh and healthy. Giving any running back 80%+ of all caries is a good way to run him directly into the ground and either get him injured or leave him so beat down by the end of the season that he is performing well under his capabilities.
Is Ward going to get more than the 2 carries per game he is currently getting when Foster is the starter (taking out the game he was benched for the first quarter)? Most certainly yes. Is this backfield going to approach anything close to a RBBC? I sincerely doubt it.
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lyon812
Footballguy
Game 1: Foster 33, Slaton 6
Game 2: Foster 19, Slaton 3
Game 3: Foster 17, Slaton 3, Ward 2
Game 4: Foster 17, Ward 11, Slaton 5
Game 5: Foster 11, Ward 1, Slaton 2
Game 6: Foster 18, Ward 3
Foster's at 76% of the carries, despite one game in which he was benched and Ward/Slaton got 9 carries in the first quarter.
Honestly, I'm not surprised at all that they want to involve their backup running backs more. Hell, I'm glad. Why would Houston, or fantasy owners, want Foster run into the ground?
Game 2: Foster 19, Slaton 3
Game 3: Foster 17, Slaton 3, Ward 2
Game 4: Foster 17, Ward 11, Slaton 5
Game 5: Foster 11, Ward 1, Slaton 2
Game 6: Foster 18, Ward 3
Foster's at 76% of the carries, despite one game in which he was benched and Ward/Slaton got 9 carries in the first quarter.
Honestly, I'm not surprised at all that they want to involve their backup running backs more. Hell, I'm glad. Why would Houston, or fantasy owners, want Foster run into the ground?
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Wait... what... He is the number 2 RB in FF (Sorry in my league CJ is slighlty ahead) and he has not had more than 20 carries a game since game one. Not bad, kind like how LT is doing better at that 15-17 carry mark. The title here makes laugh like pep pissed off about Johnson getting to many carries and why Ringer was not used more in 4th qrt.....
ThePittbully
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This might be the time to buy low if u can get a worried Foster owner.Dr. Awesome said:
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
And??? Who cares? This is a prolific offense, and the Oakland game proves that Foster can still be very productive even when Ward gets touches.
WARNING! This is not an AC question
I am interested to see how many Foster owners are rostering Ward as a handcuff. I have Bush, and I am seriously considering dropping Bush and rostering Ward as a backup. If Foster goes down, I think Ward can put up very good numbers in Houston.
WARNING! This is not an AC question
I am interested to see how many Foster owners are rostering Ward as a handcuff. I have Bush, and I am seriously considering dropping Bush and rostering Ward as a backup. If Foster goes down, I think Ward can put up very good numbers in Houston.
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dagwood
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If you are going to do it, you better do it this week. Or you won't have the opportunity.And??? Who cares? This is a prolific offense, and the Oakland game proves that Foster can still be very productive even when Ward gets touches.
WARNING! This is not an AC question
I am interested to see how many Foster owners are rostering Ward as a handcuff. I have Bush, and I am seriously considering dropping Bush and rostering Ward as a backup. If Foster goes down, I think Ward can put up very good numbers in Houston.
Insein
Footballguy
I have him. Dropped Slaton the week after that big game and grabbed Ward.And??? Who cares? This is a prolific offense, and the Oakland game proves that Foster can still be very productive even when Ward gets touches.
WARNING! This is not an AC question
I am interested to see how many Foster owners are rostering Ward as a handcuff. I have Bush, and I am seriously considering dropping Bush and rostering Ward as a backup. If Foster goes down, I think Ward can put up very good numbers in Houston.
dagwood
Footballguy
No I suspect it will be more like the Steve Slaton / A. Foster RBBC.Oops that did not work out so well for the arrogant Slaton owners who said they weren't worrried.
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
I just dropped Cooley today to pick up Ward (12 team redraft, start 2 rb, 3 wr/te league, standard scoring) as extra insurance.Fwiw, I missed out on Woodhead, who I would of preferred over the Ward handcuff. (This info is just to put how I value Ward in perspective.)And??? Who cares? This is a prolific offense, and the Oakland game proves that Foster can still be very productive even when Ward gets touches.
WARNING! This is not an AC question
I am interested to see how many Foster owners are rostering Ward as a handcuff. I have Bush, and I am seriously considering dropping Bush and rostering Ward as a backup. If Foster goes down, I think Ward can put up very good numbers in Houston.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
I concur.If you are going to do it, you better do it this week. Or you won't have the opportunity.And??? Who cares? This is a prolific offense, and the Oakland game proves that Foster can still be very productive even when Ward gets touches.
WARNING! This is not an AC question
I am interested to see how many Foster owners are rostering Ward as a handcuff. I have Bush, and I am seriously considering dropping Bush and rostering Ward as a backup. If Foster goes down, I think Ward can put up very good numbers in Houston.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
As already mentioned I handcuffed Ward.
Ward already has more ff than my other backup RB Fred Jackson, Even after Lynch was shipped off, Ward scores more points.
Ward already has more ff than my other backup RB Fred Jackson, Even after Lynch was shipped off, Ward scores more points.
Nightly Mistake
Footballguy
Do you suppose that this means Foster's dinged up?
CaptainHook
Footballguy
i dont remember kubiak or shanahan being into rbbc's
what they are into though is switching their starter every week
what they are into though is switching their starter every week
LOL, you still made a mistake i think no? I got Arian with my 37th overall pick and I'm happy to have the #1 fantasy asset with my #37 pick. I don't know if advertising that you didn't take the #1 asset with your 3rd or 4th round pick is wise....oh yeah, I have Ward as well. We will see what happens. We start 4 RBs in the league i have Foster, so it is not a big deal to me to start Ward as well if he starts eating into Foster's carries in an important fashion. So far I don't see much of that in practice since Foster got me another 20+ point week last time around.
Gopher State
Footballguy
Ward has scored 3 weeks in a roll. Foster owners have been warned
Chairshot
Footballguy
I got lucky on this one. I traded Foster and Naanee for Larry Fitz and Beanie a couple weeks ago. While those guys haven't been world beaters, at least I won't have to deal with an RBBC for my top back. Beanie is my RB3 now...
At any rate, I bet it won't be that bad. Foster still seems to be the more talented back. As a Giants fan, I watched Derrick Ward play second fiddle to Jacobs for a couple seasons. Jacobs still ended up a solid RB2 for both of the seasons Ward got legit carries. Different situation and all, but Ward won't take the job outright so Foster will still get a lot of touches...
At any rate, I bet it won't be that bad. Foster still seems to be the more talented back. As a Giants fan, I watched Derrick Ward play second fiddle to Jacobs for a couple seasons. Jacobs still ended up a solid RB2 for both of the seasons Ward got legit carries. Different situation and all, but Ward won't take the job outright so Foster will still get a lot of touches...
Picked up Ward yesterday, and as a Foster owner I think it makes very good sense. The thing is, i don't typically believe in handcuffing unless there are no options left. For instance, I picked up Torain a few weeks ago instead of handcuffing one of my studs, and now i have Blount instead of handcuffing another stud. I would rather get the best available back instead of handcuff. But the situation in Houston is so tempting, that one must handcuff foster with Ward. The thing is, Ward has shown that he can put up very nice numbers, in an offense as prolific as Houston, he is worth a whole lot more than any other handcuff. If i had MJD, I wouldn't pick up his handcuff, even though i think Deji Kareem is a better RB than Wward simply due to the difference in their situations.
We Tigers
Footballguy
I'm not so sure about that.
Chairshot
Footballguy
I feel pretty good about it. Traded one RB in a time share for another so that might be a wash from here on out. And I'll take Fitz over Naanee despite the downgrade at QB. I'd do it again.
