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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
It was Phillips.
Banemorth
Footballguy
Was it? Announcers yelled Luke so I figured it was him. Did Luke pressure the QB and force the throw?
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
The play-by-play guy effed up but corrected himself.
Banemorth
Footballguy
I'm too busy trying to type these updates since you went on strike.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
All good.I wanna see you giving these updates in the 4th Q when the future bartenders from Grambling and William & Mary are in there.
Banemorth
Footballguy
Haha yeah it's hard to catch the names of who's doing what. My favorite is in the 4th quarter when they start doing player interviews and ignoring the game.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Foster had the case of fumblitis at the end of last year too. Wonder if there's a point where he starts losing carries because of it?
Chasers Dawg
Footballguy
Lovin this. Watch Keuchly then Wagner tonight.
My 1st 2 draft picks this year @ 1:05 and 1:13
My 1st 2 draft picks this year @ 1:05 and 1:13
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Can you remember a supremely talented RB who got benched simply because he could not hang onto the ball?I'm not being sarcastic... I really can't think of anyone off the top of my head.I know Tiki had a bad fumbling problem early on, but he got it fixed.
Banemorth
Footballguy
This but at the same time the Texans have a VERY talented backup in Tate.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Jesus, Wade is unleashing the hounds. First preseason game. That won't sit well with Rivera.
Banemorth
Footballguy
If he is I haven't heard his name spoken. Him or Olsen.
Abspara
Footballguy
I "think" Lafell caught a pass, Olsen on the other hand didnt catch anything or recieve any targets.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I never in a million years thought Yates could be this effective in the NFL after watching him at UNC. He made soooooo many dumb throws. That's really a credit to Kubiak's teaching.
Kubiak loves to pull RBs for fumbleitis. His pressers after Slaton's run of fumbles were legendary.
But Foster's fumble wasnt the headline for me, it was that he got pulled at the goalline for Tate. It's not an alarm bell yet, but something to keep an eye on the next couple of weeks. 75%+ chance that it was just a rotation thing and no worries for Foster owners; perhaps GK will be asked about it after the game tonight.
But Foster's fumble wasnt the headline for me, it was that he got pulled at the goalline for Tate. It's not an alarm bell yet, but something to keep an eye on the next couple of weeks. 75%+ chance that it was just a rotation thing and no worries for Foster owners; perhaps GK will be asked about it after the game tonight.
duaneok66
Footballguy
was going to post the same - didn't even know he was on the roster until tonight.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I didn't recognize him without the team doctor in tow.
coolnerd
Footballguy
Outside the 3rd game, the substitution patterns are so wacky, that I don't try to see too much into even a move like that.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
That's true, but Tate is pretty darn talented as well. How many guys have had RBs that average over 5 yards a carry behind them and fumbled that much?And the stats seem to indicate that Tate is actually a better runner than Foster. Foster just happens to be far far superior catching and in blitz pickup. But if he puts the ball on the ground at a high rate, Tate could see more carries on first and second down perhaps.Pure speculation of course, but the fumbling should be something on everyone's radar at least I would think.
im curious enough to look the next few times they get down there. but yeah, no need for concern (yet)
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Anyone feel like firing up a Titans-Seahawks Game Thread? It starts at the top of the hour on NFLN.
I don't wanna start two game threads on the same night.
I don't wanna start two game threads on the same night.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
I am sure all Foster owners like me will jump off a bridge if Tate gets a goal line carry in the next few ore season games......the non Foster owners can be so funny.....must be a jealousy thing
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Clausen in midseason form.
jamil
Footballguy
Let's not get crazy now. Tate is good but nowhere near fosters level. Tate left a lot of yards on the field last year.
I gave Foster a precious fantasy roster spot in my only league (dynasty) even before the Texans did...so I am a long-time follower and supporter. Moreover, I traded him away last year which turned out to be a bad move and now I have a chance to get him back. So I probably favor Foster as much as any non-Foster owner can. All this being said, as I consider this deal to get him back, I must admit last night concerned me just a tad. Im with you though that' it's probably nothing at all...but...'Sweetness_34 said:
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Papa Georgio
Footballguy
I hope Foster doesn't play again this off-season. The more hits he can avoid the better.
NCCommish
Footballguy
Well it was a bit of a disappointing outing. Of course they ran vanilla. But that sack was on Cam. That guy is his guy he has to recognize that blitz fast. Saw some stuff I liked though. Kuechly was as advertised everywhere and hitting everything. Adams showed out a little. And had some nice plays by a couple of receivers. But the defense still looks awful. I know we were holding some guys out but we better get it righted soon or there is not going to be much joy in Pantherland this season.
Shutout
Footballguy
Well, if you've really been watching him as long as you say, I don't know why you are concerned. Its always been like this. The substitution patterns for the Texans are typical. Last year, I remember a good number of plays where Foster would rip off a big run after being involved in a couple of plays and they would just pull him and then whoever came in (usually tate might get the TD). Its not ideal for FF but it makes sense because Foster is a legit #! or #2 option on every play. He's out there running for 8, running for 11, and then immediately running a pass pattern. It makes real life sense. Just comes down to the luck of when they score.
Ummm, no, he isn't a better runner. Did you watch both of them play last year? It was 100% clear that once Foster got healthy, he was another level above Tate. If you watched what Foster did against Baltimore's solid run defense in the playoffs, you would realize that that is something Tate could not do. Tate had some nice numbers, but he isn't as good as Foster, period. Same discussion same time last year and even got more furious after Foster missed regular season time, but once Foster got healthy and going the Tate > Foster discussion completely died.
Yeah...I wrote that there's a good chance that it's the same old thing. But it's a new season and it was rather conspicuous...so I'm naturally curious.
solorca
Footballguy
I am more concerned about the special teams than the defense. While the defense did look terrible, they were also in vanilla packages and without a number of starters, Beason being the most important. Like you, Kuechly impressed the hell out of me. I think the defense will still be a weakness as a whole this season, but I also expect the team do show marked improvement in that area overall. If Carolina can improve to just become a middle of the road, or slightly below average defense, the offense should be enough to make the Panhters a much better team (how insane is it to be talking about the offense carrying the Carolina defense'NCCommish said:
)The special teams though...that's what scares me. Last year, the huge returns killed us so many times, either by giving up a punt or kick return touchdown, or setting up the opponent in great field position. Obviously we'll be improved on the other side with Joe Adams, but the kick/punt team has to improve or we'll start every opponent drive at a disadvantage.Sadly, the kickoff touchdown had a lot to do with a terrible kickoff by Justin Medlock. I hope this was just an error and not a sign of what he brings, because we're probably looking at another year of Olindo Mare if Medlock can't handle kickoffs a little better.
NCCommish
Footballguy
Yeah a lot of that return was on the kicker. It was the last thing I wanted to see. It seems like everyone we picked up in free agency was their teams guy on special teams. And then to have that happen. Just really sucked. I really don't have a problem with Mare. Yeah he missed a couple but once you get blocked because of poor line play you start to hurry and you mess up. So if he sticks I am good with it for now. IIRC Kasay missed a couple himself last year. And Mare kills on touchbacks which may be our best special teams play again this year.I am more concerned about the special teams than the defense. While the defense did look terrible, they were also in vanilla packages and without a number of starters, Beason being the most important. Like you, Kuechly impressed the hell out of me. I think the defense will still be a weakness as a whole this season, but I also expect the team do show marked improvement in that area overall. If Carolina can improve to just become a middle of the road, or slightly below average defense, the offense should be enough to make the Panhters a much better team (how insane is it to be talking about the offense carrying the Carolina defense
DesmondBishop
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GregR
Footballguy
Stumbled across a stat this morning and recalled the above, dug deeper.Tate actually fumbles about 45% more than Foster does. Foster fumbled last year once every 66 touches, Tate once every 47.
As far as a player who fumbles as much as Foster did last year, and has a talented backup... MJD fumbled slightly more than Foster did last year. He fumbled once every 63 touches. MJD's backup has had a similar number of touches over his 2 years as Tate had last year, and both backups have a 5.4 yards per carry. And Jennings is better out of the backfield and with a better yards per catch. However, Jennings hasn't fumbled at all.
So if Foster's situation bears watching because of having a backup with a higher YPC, but who actually fumbles even more than Foster... then MJD's situation should have really bore watching.
Now it's fair to say that MJD's backup is getting a shot to replace him, but I think it's also fair to say that wouldn't have happened were it not for a hold out. I think the Foster fumbling thing is overblown, especially in light of Tate has fumbled at a much higher rate.
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