Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
ESPN reporting he has been released.
Very nice move for Carr - Texans should have gotten SOMETHING............
Very nice move for Carr - Texans should have gotten SOMETHING............
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Texans Release David Carr (1 Viewer)
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duaneok66
Footballguy
that's laughable . . .a person has to have value in order for someone to want him . . .which team would give up a draft pick for him??Obviously, no one . . .
FavreCo
Footballguy
Because that is what he deserved. The humiliation of being released.
The Texans actually did him a favor becasue no team was going to make a trade after Schaub signed. They could have held onto him but they know that it's best to let him infect some other team as soon as possible.
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Monty Burns
Footballguy
Its not that easy trading someone of that salary. Everyone knew they wouldn't be able to trade him but hoping someone would bit.
....and maybe Carr told HOUS that he would not renegotiate no matter who they tried to trade him to....thus, either pay me or release me.....just a thought......
....and maybe Carr told HOUS that he would not renegotiate no matter who they tried to trade him to....thus, either pay me or release me.....just a thought......
Yenrub
Footballguy
Shouldn’t they have gone about this another way?Like trade Carr before acquiring Schaub?
then ATL would have asked for even more knowing they only had Sage on the roster
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
IMO that would be a great move for the Raiders. Then trade Randy to the Pack for something and then get some linemen with that something......
Bigdaddy1
Footballguy
How about Green to Miami, Culpepper to Oakland...now Moss is happy and Miami has a solid QB....of course not too sure where Carr ends up.
fsufan
Footballguy
The QB always gets all the blame. How about that ####ty O line
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FavreCo
Footballguy
Is that the same one that fat ron dayne averaged 5.3 ypc behind? 5.8 ypc over the last 5 games where carr had 1 TD and 5 INT's. That ####ty o-line? Just asking.
Perfect spot for Carr:
Green Bay, learn from Favre for a year or two and then come back firing at 30 years old.
But I bet he ends up a Raider, and that is going to turn out bad IMO. I thnk Al Davis will try and ressurect the Jim Plunkett 1st overall pick that was a bomb magic...
Green Bay, learn from Favre for a year or two and then come back firing at 30 years old.
But I bet he ends up a Raider, and that is going to turn out bad IMO. I thnk Al Davis will try and ressurect the Jim Plunkett 1st overall pick that was a bomb magic...
Bigdaddy1
Footballguy
That's the one!
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
Another good spot for him would be Minnesota..............
BusMan
Footballguy
Yeah I just read about that over at FO. They seem to think it would be a good move for Minnesota, although they're understandably less than impressed with the receivers he'd have to work with. Are the Vikings really planning on starting Williamson, Wade, and Vishancoe (sp)?
dparker713
Footballguy
Only people that don't follow the team think their line is bad. Its not great, but its not bad.
at the thought of because the Texans couldn't trade him nobody wants him.prymetyme25
Footballguy
I think he goes to baltimore or Miami w/Dom.
Bigdaddy1
Footballguy
So, 249 sacks in 5 years were all his fault?
prymetyme25
Footballguy
Thanks people said that LT had one of the worst lines too. Peyton too. but a good player changes those thoughts quickly.
Rozelle
Moderator
I follow them and the line is poor. They aren't to bad at run blocking, but the pass blocking need some work to say the least. It was unfortunate losing Spencer.
prymetyme25
Footballguy
The first year the line was bad for Carr.year 2&3 not so bad.year 4&5 carr was snake bit and turned into a pretty boy. (most of those sacks were his fault. Year 4 i think Banks came in and didn't get sacked very much.
Yitbos69
Footballguy
I think he has to clear waivers but with his contract that should not be a problem!
Bigdaddy1
Footballguy
Doesn't Manning and LT both have one of the best lines in the game? I do believe at the time both players were drafted the o-line had key additions. A good player is only as good as the players that surround him.
prymetyme25
Footballguy
nope both had rookie lineman their first year.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
IIRC, Martz loved Carr during the draft. I know Detroit has McCown and Orlovsky, but maybe they sign Carr as a flier?
Warpig
Footballguy
Ya know...I use to blame it all on the O-line too (that O-line still sucks no matter what). But when you look at the QB friendly coaches he's had it appears more of the blame should go on Carr's shoulders.You figure he had Chris Palmer who was supposed to be Mike Martz before Mike Martz was Mike Martz. Then he had Kubiak who made Plummer a pro-bowler. So either those two guys aren't all their cracked up to be, or Carr just isn't that good.I think Houston is pretty much a cluster F%$& being ran by monkeys or something. First, they commit all that money to Carr last year and say he's their man. Then they pass on VY AND BUSH! Then they give a DE with degenerative foot problems #1 pick moolah. And now they cut their supposed QB of the "present and future". Top that off with giving up a higher #1, and two 2nd rounders for an unproven, unimpressive backup Qb in Schaub! Man that 50% completion percentage with that 50% TD/INT ratio is pri-ttee impressive.
They deserve to mire in the muck...morons.This is the best thing that can possibly happen to David Carr. I don't understand why people are down on him. For one thing he has been on his back his entire career. Other then Andre Johnson he has had no one to throw the ball too. Don't get me wrong, Eric Moulds is a great reciever but he is way passed his prime.
Here is a list of recievers other then Johnson he's had to work with.
An aged Eric Moulds
Derick Armstrong
Corey Bradford
Jabar Gaffney
Jerome Matthis
Donovan Morgan
J.J. Moses
Avion Black
JaJuan Dawson
Atnaf Harris
Jermaine Lewis
Those are some real big names there. You have to give the man something to work with if you want him to put up numbers. The man has played 5 seasons and only missed 4 games so its not like he's injury prone. He's probably one of the toughest qbs in the league considering all the abuse he's taken in 5 years and only missing 4 games.
Teams need a running game to open up the passing game and Carr hasn't had that. Domanick Williams is always hurt and he started with James Allen as the starter from Chicago.
Houston has never really had a decent TE also. David Carr should not be labled a bust because he really has never been given a shot to prove himself. Now Carr will go to a team that has a way better O-Line and probably shine.
Here is a list of recievers other then Johnson he's had to work with.
An aged Eric Moulds
Derick Armstrong
Corey Bradford
Jabar Gaffney
Jerome Matthis
Donovan Morgan
J.J. Moses
Avion Black
JaJuan Dawson
Atnaf Harris
Jermaine Lewis
Those are some real big names there. You have to give the man something to work with if you want him to put up numbers. The man has played 5 seasons and only missed 4 games so its not like he's injury prone. He's probably one of the toughest qbs in the league considering all the abuse he's taken in 5 years and only missing 4 games.
Teams need a running game to open up the passing game and Carr hasn't had that. Domanick Williams is always hurt and he started with James Allen as the starter from Chicago.
Houston has never really had a decent TE also. David Carr should not be labled a bust because he really has never been given a shot to prove himself. Now Carr will go to a team that has a way better O-Line and probably shine.
I think so too. I'm just saying if the Raiders really were interested in trading for him, we'll now know as they have first shot at him. (Maybe they try to get him to restructure his contract ahead of time and pick him up for nothing, is what I'd like to see)
Rozelle
Moderator
McCown should have a cap freindly contract, I dont know this for sure, just speculating, and could draw some interest via a trade.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
"I think Carr's in a class by himself," St. Louis coach Mike Martz said.That's the only quote I can find from before the draft, but I think that at least convinces me I wasn't making it up.
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Yitbos69
Footballguy
I don't see why Carr would do that.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
I'm not claiming this to be the be-all, end-all, but...
David Carr completed 1242 of 2067 pass attempts (60%) for 13,374 yards (6.47 Y/A) while throwing 59 TD and 64 INT, for an average of 5.36 adjusted yards per pass.
Sage Rosenfels (19%), Dave Ragone (18%) and Tony Banks (63%) completed 122 of 204 passes (59.8%) for 1,297 yards (6.36 Y/A) while throwing 9 TD and 6 INT for the Texans, an average of 5.48 adjusted yards per pass.
We're dealing with a pretty small sample size, but it's not insignificant, either. And basically one part Rosenfels, one part Ragone and three parts Banks was just as good as David Carr.
David Carr completed 1242 of 2067 pass attempts (60%) for 13,374 yards (6.47 Y/A) while throwing 59 TD and 64 INT, for an average of 5.36 adjusted yards per pass.
Sage Rosenfels (19%), Dave Ragone (18%) and Tony Banks (63%) completed 122 of 204 passes (59.8%) for 1,297 yards (6.36 Y/A) while throwing 9 TD and 6 INT for the Texans, an average of 5.48 adjusted yards per pass.
We're dealing with a pretty small sample size, but it's not insignificant, either. And basically one part Rosenfels, one part Ragone and three parts Banks was just as good as David Carr.
prymetyme25
Footballguy
Ragone was trash almost got all our wrs killed. And believe me when I say that the 60% completion by Carr is highly overrated. He not a bad qb but he just plays very uninspiring football. And I think that line got tired of being blame for all the sacks (most of which was about 50/50) i honestly think they quit on him. There were plenty of times that I saw that line make a perfect pocket for him and he lokked at one guy and if he didn't have it would roll out and get sacked other than stepping up and taking a chance on a deep route.Hey Chase since your good with stats..... I bet if you check to see what team had the least amout of yards for pass interference calls I bet the texans are at the bottom because they never gave the wrs a chance to fight for deep balls.
twistd
Footballguy
I agree that the stumbling block was the contract. If he didn't agree to redo the contract, then any trade was dead in the water. He doesn't feel any loyalty to the Texan organization at this point. If you force them to cut you then he can negotiate with anyone he chooses.
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twistd
Footballguy
I think that until he clears waivers, any team that picks him up has to honor his current contract. Meaning he will clear waivers. Then he is a free agent to negotiate with anyone.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
I think you're in a class by yourself too, Chase, but that's not necessarily a good thing.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
i forgot about this, but was going to say DET anyways...harrington went right after carr, i think... that would be weird with harrington & carr busting if carr ended up succeeding with lions as reclamation project...what about CHI? CAR? JAX?
T Man
Footballguy
I think CAR makes a lot of sense. He can back up Delhomme - who may be on shaky ground if he starts off poor. He can come in without worrying about being the saviour; instead he can just learn the system. And, it may be the quickest road to a starting position on a good team.
stevegamer
Footballguy
Interesting stat on Texans sacks. I pulled this data off NFL.com
Texans history:
Carr: 249 sacks in 2070 attempts for a 0.120 sack/attempt ratio
Other QB: 22 sacks in 208 attempts for a .106 sack/attempt ratio
But:
Carr after year 1: 173 sacks in 1626 attempts for a .106 sack/attempt ratio
It looks to me like the OL is the main problem, because Carr has been no worse than the rest of the QB's at getting sacked after the franchise's 1st year.
Texans history:
Carr: 249 sacks in 2070 attempts for a 0.120 sack/attempt ratio
Other QB: 22 sacks in 208 attempts for a .106 sack/attempt ratio
But:
Carr after year 1: 173 sacks in 1626 attempts for a .106 sack/attempt ratio
It looks to me like the OL is the main problem, because Carr has been no worse than the rest of the QB's at getting sacked after the franchise's 1st year.
brednbuddah
Footballguy
Cleveland should make a run for Carr and get AP in the draft.
dparker713
Footballguy
Well, in 2005 they gave up 68 sacks, in 2006 it was 43 - T23rd. Not good, but again not horrible. If Spencer returns, they'll have 2 second year starters and solid depth for the first time in the franchise history. So yes, the line needs to improve, but on a team that is overall bad, it wasn't a true weak spot.
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