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Ministry of Pain

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-The death toll has risen significantly, I kept looking for this to be in the FFA but I've yet to see anyone post a thread so I will put this up

I have a bad feeling people are going to want to place blame and I would encourage you not to. I watched a video of water rising at a rate that's impossible to overcome.
I feel terrible for the victims and their families, many of these victims were children or young girls, it's very sad

My heart bleeds and I'm sure many of you feel the same way.
So many families of the victims now have to get up every morning for the rest of their lives thinking about the child they lost in these catastrophic floods :cry:

For those who attend churches, synagogues or any house of worship, please keep these families in your thoughts and prayers.
Perhaps most of us can't directly help the victims here but you can do something in your own community this week to help others around you.
It could be something as simple as just handing out some food to those less fortunate. Be there for someone that you know needs a little help, might even be a family member vs a complete stranger
 

-Water at this Camp Mystic, rose 20 feet in 90 minutes...roughly 12 inches of water every 4 to 5 minutes, just think about how quickly you would need to react.
Also the water started rising at approximately 4am on the 4th of July...I'm sleeping at 4am, can't imagine waking up to water rising around me
 
It's been pretty hard to watch. That area is prone to flash flooding. There are a lot of low water crossings. It's also an amazing place to camp. If it hadn't happened at night, it might have been much different.
 
At least HEB and Whataburger are on the job.
I feel like I'm going to get in trouble for saying this but if there was ever a time to dispatch the Marines to help aid in a search and rescue/recovery operation...
Sincerely though, I don't know how anyone could overcome those flood waters at 4am, reports are some of the campers were sleeping less than 75 yds from the river's edge before the water started to rise. The owner of the camp lost his life trying to save some of the victims from early reports, just a tragedy all the way around.
 
Unclear why this can't be covered in the hurricane thread
Really?

I did post in that thread but felt the loss of life and the number of children and families lives destroyed might merit its own thread, wish you felt the same
I was surprised and checked several times hoping someone would have started this already and I don't think I'm alone.

I see you had to shoot down @Cowboysfan8 in the Hurricane thread and want some control over the topic/narrative
That alone would push some folks to want to start a separate thread on this topic, especially since it has nothing to do with actual hurricanes

I know you to be a good poster in general but this comes across as being a bully which I'm sure is not your intention
If the floods are impacting you like they are so many that are watching this unfold I would think you'd welcome this thread and also take a lead role.
Are you close to where this is happening?

Yes. My two daughters were at a camp on the North fork. They were evacuated yesterday. My nephew was on the south fork and took water in his cabin and had to escape his cabin in a raft.

We knew Jane Ragsdale, not well but my oldest daughter loved her deeply. We are very fortunate that no children we know was lost as we have dozens and dozens of people we know on that river that night.

All of that being said, this is a tropical driven event and is better discussed in that context than splitting up the discussions.
 
Unclear why this can't be covered in the hurricane thread
Really?

I did post in that thread but felt the loss of life and the number of children and families lives destroyed might merit its own thread, wish you felt the same
I was surprised and checked several times hoping someone would have started this already and I don't think I'm alone.

I see you had to shoot down @Cowboysfan8 in the Hurricane thread and want some control over the topic/narrative
That alone would push some folks to want to start a separate thread on this topic, especially since it has nothing to do with actual hurricanes

I know you to be a good poster in general but this comes across as being a bully which I'm sure is not your intention
If the floods are impacting you like they are so many that are watching this unfold I would think you'd welcome this thread and also take a lead role.
Are you close to where this is happening?

Yes. My two daughters were at a camp on the North fork. They were evacuated yesterday. My nephew was on the south fork and took water in his cabin and had to escape his cabin in a raft.

We knew Jane Ragsdale, not well but my oldest daughter loved her deeply. We are very fortunate that no children we know was lost as we have dozens and dozens of people we know on that river that night.

All of that being said, this is a tropical driven event and is better discussed in that context than splitting up the discussions.
First of all, thank you for posting and sharing this.

-What made this event in the middle of Texas a tropical event for those of us that don't understand. I did see the way the storm was moving and circling on the radar, it had the appearance of a TS like system but I didn't think storms that originate in the United States were considered part of the named storms/Hurricanes we follow down here.

We had one that was supposed to cause a lot of problems this weekend/4th of July, think it went up to Carolinas but we were told it was gonna be a washout on Wed, obviously things changed.
I was not trying to argue or fight with you, appreciate any contributions you post in this thread since you likely are a lot closer to the situation than we are. I would believe you over any reporter from blankety blank network that just flew in to cover the after math

Appreciate your POV
 
Unclear why this can't be covered in the hurricane thread
Really?

I did post in that thread but felt the loss of life and the number of children and families lives destroyed might merit its own thread, wish you felt the same
I was surprised and checked several times hoping someone would have started this already and I don't think I'm alone.

I see you had to shoot down @Cowboysfan8 in the Hurricane thread and want some control over the topic/narrative
That alone would push some folks to want to start a separate thread on this topic, especially since it has nothing to do with actual hurricanes

I know you to be a good poster in general but this comes across as being a bully which I'm sure is not your intention
If the floods are impacting you like they are so many that are watching this unfold I would think you'd welcome this thread and also take a lead role.
Are you close to where this is happening?

Yes. My two daughters were at a camp on the North fork. They were evacuated yesterday. My nephew was on the south fork and took water in his cabin and had to escape his cabin in a raft.

We knew Jane Ragsdale, not well but my oldest daughter loved her deeply. We are very fortunate that no children we know was lost as we have dozens and dozens of people we know on that river that night.

All of that being said, this is a tropical driven event and is better discussed in that context than splitting up the discussions.
First of all, thank you for posting and sharing this.

-What made this event in the middle of Texas a tropical event for those of us that don't understand. I did see the way the storm was moving and circling on the radar, it had the appearance of a TS like system but I didn't think storms that originate in the United States were considered part of the named storms/Hurricanes we follow down here.

We had one that was supposed to cause a lot of problems this weekend/4th of July, think it went up to Carolinas but we were told it was gonna be a washout on Wed, obviously things changed.
I was not trying to argue or fight with you, appreciate any contributions you post in this thread since you likely are a lot closer to the situation than we are. I would believe you over any reporter from blankety blank network that just flew in to cover the after math

Appreciate your POV

NWSWPC made this part of their discussion prior to and after the event. I've put several meteological links explaining how Barry created this situation and how is is not all that unique for this particular area.
 
CNN is one of the websites offering ongoing updates on the flood and rescue operations: https://www.cnn.com/weather/live-news/texas-flooding-camp-mystic-07-06-25-hnk?t=1751857621494

This is time-lapse video of the rising waters. It's horrifying. In one spot the water rose 26 feet in 45 minutes. There's nothing man can build to prevent that.
https://www.cnn.com/weather/live-ne...mystic-07-06-25-hnk#cmcsfvz4300003b6mz1xrynrk

There are ways man can change how to respond to events like this, mostly through warnings. Since they're already being discussed by local, state, and national governments it's fair to talk about them here so that perhaps the next time fewer people are killed. But the main focus here should be on the people involved in this flood, and on how to help them recover.
 
CNN is one of the websites offering ongoing updates on the flood and rescue operations: https://www.cnn.com/weather/live-news/texas-flooding-camp-mystic-07-06-25-hnk?t=1751857621494

This is time-lapse video of the rising waters. It's horrifying. In one spot the water rose 26 feet in 45 minutes. There's nothing man can build to prevent that.
https://www.cnn.com/weather/live-ne...mystic-07-06-25-hnk#cmcsfvz4300003b6mz1xrynrk

There are ways man can change how to respond to events like this, mostly through warnings. Since they're already being discussed by local, state, and national governments it's fair to talk about them here so that perhaps the next time fewer people are killed. But the main focus here should be on the people involved in this flood, and on how to help them recover.
CNN is the first thing I linked, I'm glad you have that video linked of the water rising, that's incredible how the water completely washes out that road
 
Unclear why this can't be covered in the hurricane thread
Really?

I did post in that thread but felt the loss of life and the number of children and families lives destroyed might merit its own thread, wish you felt the same
I was surprised and checked several times hoping someone would have started this already and I don't think I'm alone.

I see you had to shoot down @Cowboysfan8 in the Hurricane thread and want some control over the topic/narrative
That alone would push some folks to want to start a separate thread on this topic, especially since it has nothing to do with actual hurricanes

I know you to be a good poster in general but this comes across as being a bully which I'm sure is not your intention
If the floods are impacting you like they are so many that are watching this unfold I would think you'd welcome this thread and also take a lead role.
Are you close to where this is happening?

Yes. My two daughters were at a camp on the North fork. They were evacuated yesterday. My nephew was on the south fork and took water in his cabin and had to escape his cabin in a raft.

We knew Jane Ragsdale, not well but my oldest daughter loved her deeply. We are very fortunate that no children we know was lost as we have dozens and dozens of people we know on that river that night.

All of that being said, this is a tropical driven event and is better discussed in that context than splitting up the discussions.
First of all, thank you for posting and sharing this.

-What made this event in the middle of Texas a tropical event for those of us that don't understand. I did see the way the storm was moving and circling on the radar, it had the appearance of a TS like system but I didn't think storms that originate in the United States were considered part of the named storms/Hurricanes we follow down here.

We had one that was supposed to cause a lot of problems this weekend/4th of July, think it went up to Carolinas but we were told it was gonna be a washout on Wed, obviously things changed.
I was not trying to argue or fight with you, appreciate any contributions you post in this thread since you likely are a lot closer to the situation than we are. I would believe you over any reporter from blankety blank network that just flew in to cover the after math

Appreciate your POV

NWSWPC made this part of their discussion prior to and after the event. I've put several meteological links explaining how Barry created this situation and how is is not all that unique for this particular area.
Still not a hurricane.

For those who are curious, this site explains it pretty well.
 

NWSWPC made this part of their discussion prior to and after the event. I've put several meteological links explaining how Barry created this situation and how is is not all that unique for this particular area.
I am going to remove my original post in here towards you, I appreciate you standing tall and sharing what's going on around you.
Please accept my hand shake 🤝
 

I want to try and keep it going the way JB likes with news links, others have linked some opinions voiced by certain officials with news links I might add
I don't think this any spectacular move I'm linking, in fact I would expect anyone in that seat to do likewise if not more so there you have it

It's one thing to sign a document, the process to get the resources into the hands of the people who can actually help these families, that's the part that seems to be missing
I would assume the federal and state officials already have these resources in plentiful stock/supply, but I've been wrong many times
 
Absolutely horrible
My boys are 14 and 10. We just dropped them off at camp this morning. As a parent, you always worry about "what could happen" but it's usually in the back of your mind. Not today. :crying:

Same - Mine are 11 (son) and 8 (daughter) and while their camp isn't an overnight camp, it is right by a river that has flooded in the past. A few years ago, our town got 11 inches of rain in an evening from Tropical Storm Ida. Fortunately it hit early evening after camp was closed, but that storm closed camp for the rest of summer and we had a few fatalities from cars getting submerged. There was water deeper than a car in areas where there was no creek or river nearby. Our cul-de-sac literally washed away simply from run-off. I got home right as it started - and I've never seen water rise faster.
 
If you wanted to know why there aren't emergency sirens in that area, here you go.
And yet another camp on the same river stayed alert enough to save all their campers, despite there being no sirens.


It was about 1 a.m. on the Fourth of July when the facilities manager at a central Texas summer camp saw water from the Guadalupe River steadily rising amid a deluge of rain. Aroldo Barrera notified his boss, who had been monitoring reports of the storms approaching Presbyterian Mo-Ranch Assembly, a recreation destination where an intercultural youth conference had been called off early just hours earlier. Despite an absence of warning by local authorities, camp officials acted quickly on their own, relocating about 70 children and adults staying overnight in a building near the river. With the kids safe, camp leaders including President and CEO Tim Huchton were able to avoid the catastrophe that hit at least one other camp near Hunt, where the 500-acre Mo-Ranch is located. “They helped them pack up,” Lisa Winters, communications director for Mo-Ranch, told The Associated Press on Sunday. “They got them up, they got them out, put them up on higher ground.” Other places fared much worse.
If people are not going to fund government measures to warn of impending floods (the sirens that were voted down due to cost) then people are going to have to do the monitoring themselves like that camp did.
 
The 1987 flood on the Guadalupe River that killed a bunch of campers: https://www.mediaite.com/opinion/un...-a-devastating-guadalupe-river-flood-in-1987/

It was the last day at Pot O’ Gold Ranch for the campers, and the decision had been made early that morning to evacuate the area. The image of the Seagoville Road Baptist Church bus is one that will never leave the many hundreds of people who were affected by what happened next. The group from Balch Springs, which included the pastor, chaperones, and thirty-nine children from ages 8 to 17 were the last to leave. The bus and two other vehicles attempted to leave the area and bring the children home to their families. But the engine flooded and died in the water rushing over the tiny road they were using to cross an area that was once a channel of the river. The pastor made the decision to get the children out of the vehicle and form a human chain to cross the remainder of the way over the rapidly rising water. As the children, arms linked, were spread across the road, a wall of water rushed upon them and, in an instant, they were washed down the river and into the flood. As news of the events unfolding spread, television stations began airing live shots from the area. Many local stations had helicopters in the air already to cover the flooding. This meant that, as we watched from home in Dallas, we saw in the floodwaters children from my sister’s school, from that tiny and familiar church of friends and neighbors in that small suburban community. We saw them clinging to trees, trying to escape. We saw some fail and continue to be swept down the river by the flood. We saw them being plucked from trees and rescued – and horribly, we saw failed rescue attempts, with people plunging from the harness or the hands of rescuers down into the water, some never to be seen alive again.
 
On his very first mission, a young Coast Guard rescue swimmer became a symbol of bravery and compassion during the catastrophic Fourth of July flooding in Central Texas. Scott Ruskan, a rescue swimmer with the U.S. Coast Guard, helped save 165 children and staff from rapidly rising floodwaters that surrounded Camp Mystic, a century-old girls' summer camp on the banks of the Guadalupe River. The mission was part of a massive emergency response effort that has seen more than 850 high-water rescues across the Texas Hill Country.
 
A private drone operating in restricted airspace hit a helicopter helping with emergency operations in Kerr County on Monday, forcing it to make an emergency landing, county officials said. “A critical piece of response equipment is now out of service until further notice,” the county said in a statement. “This was entirely preventable.”

Washington Post
 
Such devastating stories coming out of this. Anderson Cooper who I have never really watched had interview after interview tonight from people in the middle of all this. He did an excellent job.

Crushing accounts from them. A young camp counselor from the camp that got hit hard, an RV park manager whose park was literally swept away right in front of her, a relative of a family that was wiped out while camping. Their candor and matter of fact way of answering these questions was unbelievable to me, very rough to watch. Each person independently talked about how much they wanted to help others. Unlike other interviews I have seen from these types of events.

No words for all this.
 
we had a few fatalities from cars getting submerged.
Our local meteorologist preaches "turn around; don't drown" every chance he gets. I have no idea why people think their car has the James Bond underwater option.
The stream near our house floods every few years, and probably about 5 years ago we were walking nearby and watched some woman in an SUV gun through more than a foot high of rapidly flowing water after going around the road closed sign. She somehow made it through and most likely would have only wrecked her car rather than died if she had been swept off of the road, but it was just so mind boggling to watch. The detour around the closed road was like 5 minutes tops, so why she felt the need to risk her vehicle and well being is beyond me. Not that a longer detour would justify risking life and limb, but if it was 30 minutes or something you could at least understand the temptation more.
 
Firefighters from Mexico respond to Texas Hill Country flooding, marking an international response

More than 20 firefighters from Ciudad Acuña, Mexico and Fundación 911 are lending a hand to their northern neighbor. The crew arrived in the Hill Country on Sunday morning and got right to work. They are working alongside the Mountain Home Fire Department. They are not only bringing extra boots on the ground, but also drones and other technology to help find the several dozen Texans still missing. Leaders of the group tell KPRC 2 that they work hand-in-hand with U.S. fire departments to train to respond to disasters.
 
Hills, rivers and rocky terrain: Why the Hill Country keeps flooding

When floodwaters tore through the Texas Hill Country on July Fourth weekend, killing more than 100 people — including campers and counselors at an all-girls summer camp along the Guadalupe River — Kerr County Judge Rob Kelly was quick to voice shock. “We didn’t know this flood was coming,” Kelly said. Yet in nearly the same breath, he acknowledged that the region is “the most dangerous river valley in the United States” — one that deals with floods “on a regular basis.” That contradiction — an expectation of danger paired with apparent surprise — has become tragically familiar in Central Texas.

Despite being part of a wide swath of Texas nicknamed “Flash Flood Alley,” this part of the Hill Country continues to suffer devastating losses — both in human lives and property — after floods that scientists and emergency planners have warned about for decades. The region includes several Texas river basins: the Colorado, the Guadalupe and the San Antonio. Between 2 and 7 a.m. July 4, the Guadalupe River in Kerrville rose 35 feet, according to a flood gauge in the area. The flooded river swallowed roads, bridges, entire RV parks and structures along the Guadalupe’s banks.
 
This is just heartbreaking. Texas RV park owner banged on doors as water rose, family was swept away

Lorena Guillen, who owns Blue Oak RV Park and Howdy's Bar and Grill in Kerrville, said the rain started to come down around 1 a.m. By 2:30 a.m., she "went to check the water levels of the river." At that point, she said, it looked "fine." She called the sheriff's office, which had no information at that point, so she went to sleep – only to be awoken between 3:30 and 4 a.m. by "lights of the rescuers." "It was so fast," Guillen told Fox News Digital. "It was so crazy, and I was going from RV to RV, banging on doors, getting everybody out. One of my residents had called 911 because they could hear people screaming," she recalled. "But this is the middle of the night, it's pitch black. My husband got down all the way down to his waist in water just trying to rescue the people, and he was asking the guy ‘please throw me your baby’ and few seconds later, they got swept away," she continued.
 
173 people are currently missing according to the governor of Texas, per CNN.
Hard to believe this just keeps rising.
I don't think they can get a firm number. There is a lot of camping in the area that isn't summer camps. The unofficial number floated is 184 now. They have started matching up flooded cars with owners and where they can't find the owner they do wellness checks. Same with abandoned cars. Thing is they are only tying two people to a car now and there could be 3,4,5?
 
173 people are currently missing according to the governor of Texas, per CNN.
Hard to believe this just keeps rising.
I don't think they can get a firm number. There is a lot of camping in the area that isn't summer camps. The unofficial number floated is 184 now. They have started matching up flooded cars with owners and where they can't find the owner they do wellness checks. Same with abandoned cars. Thing is they are only tying two people to a car now and there could be 3,4,5?
Our local reporter pointed out that they have had to re-check areas multiple times after the water has dropped.
 
173 people are currently missing according to the governor of Texas, per CNN.
Hard to believe this just keeps rising.
I don't think they can get a firm number. There is a lot of camping in the area that isn't summer camps. The unofficial number floated is 184 now. They have started matching up flooded cars with owners and where they can't find the owner they do wellness checks. Same with abandoned cars. Thing is they are only tying two people to a car now and there could be 3,4,5?
Great point. Not sure what the homeless population is like in that area but undoubtedly a few people who aren’t necessarily being “missed” were in the danger zone.

Just an awful tragedy.
 
Texas inspectors approved Camp Mystic’s disaster plan 2 days before deadly flood, records show

Texas inspectors signed off on Camp Mystic’s emergency planning just two days before catastrophic flooding killed more than two dozen people at the all-girls Christian summer camp, most of them children. The Department of State Health Services released records Tuesday showing the camp complied with a host of state regulations regarding “procedures to be implemented in case of a disaster.” Among them: instructing campers what to do if they need to evacuate and assigning specific duties to each staff member and counselor. Five years of inspection reports released to The Associated Press do not offer any details of those plans at Mystic, raising new questions about the camp’s preparedness ahead of the torrential July 4 rainfall in flood-prone Texas Hill Country.
 
On his very first mission, a young Coast Guard rescue swimmer became a symbol of bravery and compassion during the catastrophic Fourth of July flooding in Central Texas. Scott Ruskan, a rescue swimmer with the U.S. Coast Guard, helped save 165 children and staff from rapidly rising floodwaters that surrounded Camp Mystic, a century-old girls' summer camp on the banks of the Guadalupe River. The mission was part of a massive emergency response effort that has seen more than 850 high-water rescues across the Texas Hill Country.
We have a friend who had a daughter that was a counselor at Camp Mystic. When she awoke she realized what was happening and had the girls from two cabins (don't know the cabin size) leave the cabin to get to higher ground. They were part of this group rescued by this coast guard.
 
On his very first mission, a young Coast Guard rescue swimmer became a symbol of bravery and compassion during the catastrophic Fourth of July flooding in Central Texas. Scott Ruskan, a rescue swimmer with the U.S. Coast Guard, helped save 165 children and staff from rapidly rising floodwaters that surrounded Camp Mystic, a century-old girls' summer camp on the banks of the Guadalupe River. The mission was part of a massive emergency response effort that has seen more than 850 high-water rescues across the Texas Hill Country.
We have a friend who had a daughter that was a counselor at Camp Mystic. When she awoke she realized what was happening and had the girls from two cabins (don't know the cabin size) leave the cabin to get to higher ground. They were part of this group rescued by this coast guard.
Just read that story and the interview clip with that Coast Guard Scott Ruskan. Such an unassuming and humble guy - he was downplaying his role as part of his job, but I hope people remember his (and others') unbelievable efforts - a true hero indeed.
 
On his very first mission, a young Coast Guard rescue swimmer became a symbol of bravery and compassion during the catastrophic Fourth of July flooding in Central Texas. Scott Ruskan, a rescue swimmer with the U.S. Coast Guard, helped save 165 children and staff from rapidly rising floodwaters that surrounded Camp Mystic, a century-old girls' summer camp on the banks of the Guadalupe River. The mission was part of a massive emergency response effort that has seen more than 850 high-water rescues across the Texas Hill Country.
We have a friend who had a daughter that was a counselor at Camp Mystic. When she awoke she realized what was happening and had the girls from two cabins (don't know the cabin size) leave the cabin to get to higher ground. They were part of this group rescued by this coast guard.
Just read that story and the interview clip with that Coast Guard Scott Ruskan. Such an unassuming and humble guy - he was downplaying his role as part of his job, but I hope people remember his (and others') unbelievable efforts - a true hero indeed.

I mean not to crap on the guy but they flew all those kids out by helicopter while loading the rest up by bus from the same field. The time crunch was they weren't sure the rain was going to rise the low water crossing to the point they could only get one group out. While it was nice it doesn't really meet the definition of heroic.

The video of the girls singing from the bus were some of the remaining girls that didn't get airlifted out.
 
Cabin with people inside swept away by floodwaters in Texas

Scary stuff. Nowhere to escape for what must have seemed like an eternity for the 4 stuck in the cabin. They all ended up safe.

These are the CIT at La Junta. This event is probably what saved all those kids lives.

Ironically this cabin was moved this year to make some room for a rec center addition and moved lower. So it floated and these 4 CIT ran and got up the other cabins which had kids and were taking on water.

These are 17-18 year old high school seniors here.
 

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