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The 12th Overall Slot (1 Viewer)

RalphMouth

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Do you take two stud WRs but then get stuck with average RBs ?

How about a stud QB and best player on the board ?

My league is a re-draft, 12 team no PPR- and we have 3rd round reversal so I will get the 12th & 13th overall picks and then the 25th.

Right now I'm thinking best RB & WR at 12th & 13th picks and then QB at 25th if it's a Romo, Schaub or Brady -

 
Do you take two stud WRs but then get stuck with average RBs ?How about a stud QB and best player on the board ?My league is a re-draft, 12 team no PPR- and we have 3rd round reversal so I will get the 12th & 13th overall picks and then the 25th.Right now I'm thinking best RB & WR at 12th & 13th picks and then QB at 25th if it's a Romo, Schaub or Brady -
Tier your players. That way if all ur top 2 tiers of rbs are gone but 2 of ur top 3 wr are still there, take the wrs, but that way ull see that one of ur top rbs like jackson or maybe deangelo or god willing, gore, and you can pair him with a top tier wr. Qb is kind of like a personal choice. if 3 qbs go before you, thats 3 other non qbs on ur list that didnt get picked so you should have great rb/wr options. But if ur personal top qb fell thru the cracks you can get him. The point to all this is to have 2 positions filled with the highest tier guys you could have possibly had.
 
Do you take two stud WRs but then get stuck with average RBs ?How about a stud QB and best player on the board ?My league is a re-draft, 12 team no PPR- and we have 3rd round reversal so I will get the 12th & 13th overall picks and then the 25th.Right now I'm thinking best RB & WR at 12th & 13th picks and then QB at 25th if it's a Romo, Schaub or Brady -
In non-PPR, you almost cannot come out of the turn without at least one RB. I think a DWill/Moss turn would be strong, especially if you can get Romo, Grant, Benson, or Charles at the 3.01.
 
Jeff Tefertiller said:
RalphMouth said:
Do you take two stud WRs but then get stuck with average RBs ?How about a stud QB and best player on the board ?My league is a re-draft, 12 team no PPR- and we have 3rd round reversal so I will get the 12th & 13th overall picks and then the 25th.Right now I'm thinking best RB & WR at 12th & 13th picks and then QB at 25th if it's a Romo, Schaub or Brady -
In non-PPR, you almost cannot come out of the turn without at least one RB. I think a DWill/Moss turn would be strong, especially if you can get Romo, Grant, Benson, or Charles at the 3.01.
I agree even in a league where you start i RB you have to take one. By the time you pick a rb again your looking at the lower 3rd of the league.
 
I've done some mocks and I think you almost have to take a RB.

I run a straight serpentine. So the next time I pick, the RB's are scarce. Yet there are plenty of WR's (S Smith, Ocho, etc) that I feel are very good #2's.

So I've been going RB-WR-WR and then best player to start the 4th.

 
Mendenhall and Sjax are the only RB's worthy of the #12 spot imo. Dwill will be in a rbbc. I think you have to go wr/wr at #12 this year, then grab two of these guys with your 3rd and 4th, Moreno, Grant, PT or Wells. Two should be there. If your league has 6 pts per td passing, you could also grab either Brees or Rodgers with your 1st or 2nd, then wr.

 
Mendenhall and Sjax are the only RB's worthy of the #12 spot imo. Dwill will be in a rbbc. I think you have to go wr/wr at #12 this year, then grab two of these guys with your 3rd and 4th, Moreno, Grant, PT or Wells. Two should be there. If your league has 6 pts per td passing, you could also grab either Brees or Rodgers with your 1st or 2nd, then wr.
The problem is, a lot of times two of those guys are not there. Then you're looking at McCoy, Addai, etc.Mendenhall is almost always there. And it's hard to pass him up along with a top WR.

 
Jeff Tefertiller said:
RalphMouth said:
Do you take two stud WRs but then get stuck with average RBs ?How about a stud QB and best player on the board ?My league is a re-draft, 12 team no PPR- and we have 3rd round reversal so I will get the 12th & 13th overall picks and then the 25th.Right now I'm thinking best RB & WR at 12th & 13th picks and then QB at 25th if it's a Romo, Schaub or Brady -
In non-PPR, you almost cannot come out of the turn without at least one RB. I think a DWill/Moss turn would be strong, especially if you can get Romo, Grant, Benson, or Charles at the 3.01.
:coffee: Unless there's an un-godly amount of RB taken 1-11, at 12 and 13 you gotta go with RB/WR. In fact, Jeff's example of Williams and Moss was exactly who I can envision dropping to you.
 
In a typical boring fantasy league you are going to be looking at RBs ranked at the very best around #9. If you grab two of them you then have the luxury of getting lower ranked WRs by the time it comes back to you at the 3rd-4th turn. You're going to end up chasing positional runs in this scenario.

Presuming this league drastically undervalues the most important player on every NFL team (the QB) like most do then you should grab two top notch WRs and start mining RBs in subsequent rounds.

If your league actually places some value on the QB position then grab a QB/WR combo.

I just don't think the best available player in the 12 spot of a standard league is going to be a RB.

 
Mendenhall and Sjax are the only RB's worthy of the #12 spot imo. Dwill will be in a rbbc. I think you have to go wr/wr at #12 this year, then grab two of these guys with your 3rd and 4th, Moreno, Grant, PT or Wells. Two should be there. If your league has 6 pts per td passing, you could also grab either Brees or Rodgers with your 1st or 2nd, then wr.
The problem is, a lot of times two of those guys are not there. Then you're looking at McCoy, Addai, etc.Mendenhall is almost always there. And it's hard to pass him up along with a top WR.
If Mendenhall is there, then yes, take him. I doubt he will be there imo. I also doubt sjax and Turner will be there too.

 
RalphMouth said:
Do you take two stud WRs but then get stuck with average RBs ?How about a stud QB and best player on the board ?My league is a re-draft, 12 team no PPR- and we have 3rd round reversal so I will get the 12th & 13th overall picks and then the 25th.Right now I'm thinking best RB & WR at 12th & 13th picks and then QB at 25th if it's a Romo, Schaub or Brady -
I think it really depends on what happens in the draft and what all the rules are in your league (ie. how many starters at each position).once in a while a RB will fall to you that should have been taken at #6, #7 or #8, and if that happens you gotta take him.However, in most cases, the top 2 Tiers of RB are gone and you are taking a flyer on someone who has potential, but may not breakout to become a top Tier player (ie. this years Ray Rice)The thing is... you may be able to grab that same player in the third round.So unless a top 8 RB is avalable when you pick, I would suggest doing one of two things:1) Go WR-WR2) Go QB-WRThe hope would be to start a run at one of those positions.If you are successful and a serious run starts on WR or QB (or both if you are lucky), you may be lucky to find yourself in a position to take a RB of similar quality in round 3.if your league rules are such, that it is to your advantage to grab a QB, and someone like Manning or Brees is available, that's a pretty good option at QB. If neither is available, then 2 WR's may well start the run on WR's you need to happen.Typically, what I would expect is that 9 or 10 of the top 11 picks will be RB's and then you will have manning or Brees thrown in there and possibly a top WR.I would run 2 or 3 mocks each with a different breakdown of selections. I'd do one where all RB's go in the first 11 picks...I'd do one where 9 of the first 11 are RB's and 1 QB and 1 WR go.I'd do one where 8 of the first 11 are RB's and 1 QB and 2 WR go.This should cover most of your scenarios there. Obviously if 2 QB go in round 1 you need to either take a RB with one of your first two picks or you double up at WR. This would seem kind of obvious so there is no need for a mock on that scenario.this exercise will hopefully help you to figure out what your likely options will be.regardless of all this, there will inevitably be one or two picks that will be right off the board and one player you thought would be gone will still be available. (happens in almost every draft) so make sure you have a good cheatsheet with rankings.in your position it is more important to know the spot where it is no longer worth your while to draft a RB ahead of a WR or a QB.As I dont know the scoring for your league, I cannot speak to this any further.Good luck
 
Do you take two stud WRs but then get stuck with average RBs ?How about a stud QB and best player on the board ?My league is a re-draft, 12 team no PPR- and we have 3rd round reversal so I will get the 12th & 13th overall picks and then the 25th.Right now I'm thinking best RB & WR at 12th & 13th picks and then QB at 25th if it's a Romo, Schaub or Brady -
I think it really depends on what happens in the draft and what all the rules are in your league (ie. how many starters at each position).once in a while a RB will fall to you that should have been taken at #6, #7 or #8, and if that happens you gotta take him.However, in most cases, the top 2 Tiers of RB are gone and you are taking a flyer on someone who has potential, but may not breakout to become a top Tier player (ie. this years Ray Rice)The thing is... you may be able to grab that same player in the third round.So unless a top 8 RB is avalable when you pick, I would suggest doing one of two things:1) Go WR-WR2) Go QB-WRThe hope would be to start a run at one of those positions.If you are successful and a serious run starts on WR or QB (or both if you are lucky), you may be lucky to find yourself in a position to take a RB of similar quality in round 3.if your league rules are such, that it is to your advantage to grab a QB, and someone like Manning or Brees is available, that's a pretty good option at QB. If neither is available, then 2 WR's may well start the run on WR's you need to happen.Typically, what I would expect is that 9 or 10 of the top 11 picks will be RB's and then you will have manning or Brees thrown in there and possibly a top WR.I would run 2 or 3 mocks each with a different breakdown of selections. I'd do one where all RB's go in the first 11 picks...I'd do one where 9 of the first 11 are RB's and 1 QB and 1 WR go.I'd do one where 8 of the first 11 are RB's and 1 QB and 2 WR go.This should cover most of your scenarios there. Obviously if 2 QB go in round 1 you need to either take a RB with one of your first two picks or you double up at WR. This would seem kind of obvious so there is no need for a mock on that scenario.this exercise will hopefully help you to figure out what your likely options will be.regardless of all this, there will inevitably be one or two picks that will be right off the board and one player you thought would be gone will still be available. (happens in almost every draft) so make sure you have a good cheatsheet with rankings.in your position it is more important to know the spot where it is no longer worth your while to draft a RB ahead of a WR or a QB.As I dont know the scoring for your league, I cannot speak to this any further.Good luck
The Key here in th OP is the 3rd Roundd reversal. If you go QB/WR or WR/WR you probably have the strongest players on the board and you're set at those roster spots. @ 3.01 you can then grab a low 1st tier RB - possibly Green, McCoy or Wells. In my league our our 3RR give #12 the 4.01 pick (lucky me). The next two rounds you can grab more value at RB and WR or QB (if you skipped earlier) and a decent TE in the 6th to round out your starters.
 
Started a slow draft today and I'm drafting from the 12 hole in a PPR league. DWill, Rodgers, Brees, Manning, and Jackson all went 7th - 11t.......leaving me"

1.12 - Frank Gore (shocked)

2.01 - Randy Moss

3.12 - Michael Crabtree (took him over Ocho, Nicks, Boldin, and Welker.......Nicks still on-board with 5 picks before 5.12)

4.01 - Jahvid Best (chose Best over J. Charles and Greene.....knew there was no chance Best would be around at 5.12)

Thinking I may end up with Nicks and Finley at 5.12 / 6.01 turn...... :fingerscrossed:

E

 
take R. Moss Calvin then J. Best and Benson/ Moreno then next 2 -- take Kold=b round 7-8 an your set
I would go RB/WR at the turn. You will probably end up with Moss/Mendenhall or Moss/Williams or something like that. Then at 3.01, the top tier of WRs should be close to running out and you can grab the best WR available. Roddy White sometimes falls this far, Brandon Marshall, Larry Fitzgerald. At 4.12 you will be looking at a weak RB2 but you compensate with a very strong WR core. Get the QB late.
 
Tons of RB depth out there this year. Don't reach for anyone at 12/13 if it means you're passing on a stud at another position. This is doubly true since you don't have to wait all the way till 3.12 for your next pick. There'll be studs at every position still on the board with that #25 pick you've got.

BPA/BPA, unless it's two quarterbacks. And even then, you could consider it in any league with an active trade culture.

 
Bro-in-law had a draft last night from the 12 spot and ended up going QB-RB: Rodgers and DeWill. Thought it was pretty much a no-brainer despite not liking the idea of taking a QB in the first round.

Roster from memory (I don't remember 3 of them):

QB: Rodgers, Favre

RB: DeWill, Forte, A.Bradshaw, T.Jones

WR: Colston, Sims-Walker, M.Floyd, S.Breaston, D.Avery, J.Cribbs

TE: Winslow, Heap

K: Cosby

Def: Balt, Indy

Start 1/2/2/1 with 2 flex (RB/WR/TE)

I think the 12 spot is a tough place this year, but I think this ended up being a solid core of players.

 
I would try to target a Moss/Calvin or other WR/WR combo at the turn, and then a top QB (Peyton, Romo, Brady) at the top of the 3rd round. I really don't think the RB's at 3.01 are significantly better than what you can get in rounds 4-7. I think you really need to be starting the runs, otherwise you will be way behind from the get go and never catch up. I could see a lineup like this shaking out...

1.12 WR Randy Moss

2.01 WR Calvin Johnson

3.01 QB Tony Romo

4.11 RB Matt Forte

5.01 TE Jermichael Finley

6.12 RB Michael Bush

7.01 WR Santana Moss

Assuming your lineups are 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE

That may be a little light on RB's for some, but I think that lineup right there has some serious firepower. Even better if you can get a guy like Jahvid Best instead of Forte in round 4.

 
Here's what I did at pick 12. PPR League 12 team League. I wanted C.Johnson and M.Austin. Followed by two RB's. Wanted a Top QB and took a shot that V.Jackson plays this year. Waited on a TE and backup him up later. Wanted Knox as I think he is a Great WR sleeper this year. Picked Camarillo I think he could make Farve Great. Picked two NO WR's one will do well this year.

Calvin Johnson DET R1P12

Miles Austin DAL R2P1

Matt Forte CHI R3P12

Ryan Grant GB R4P1

Philip Rivers SD R5P12

Vincent Jackson SD R6P1

Chris Cooley WAS R7P12

Donald Brown IND R8P1

Chester Taylor CHI R9P12

Johnny Knox CHI R10P1

Tashard Choice DAL R11P12

Bernard Scott CIN R12P1

Greg Camarillo MIN R13P12

Devery Henderson NO R14P1

Lance Moore NO R15P12

Fred Davis WAS R16P1

Defense NYG R17P12

Chaz Schilens OAK R18P1

Jason Campbell OAK R19P12

Jay Feely ARI R20P1

So what do you guys think of this team? What picks do you like? Dislike? Thanks.

 
Maroney=Speed said:
Here's what I did at pick 12. PPR League 12 team League. I wanted C.Johnson and M.Austin. Followed by two RB's. Wanted a Top QB and took a shot that V.Jackson plays this year. Waited on a TE and backup him up later. Wanted Knox as I think he is a Great WR sleeper this year. Picked Camarillo I think he could make Farve Great. Picked two NO WR's one will do well this year.Calvin Johnson DET R1P12 Miles Austin DAL R2P1 Matt Forte CHI R3P12 Ryan Grant GB R4P1 Philip Rivers SD R5P12 Vincent Jackson SD R6P1 Chris Cooley WAS R7P12 Donald Brown IND R8P1 Chester Taylor CHI R9P12 Johnny Knox CHI R10P1 Tashard Choice DAL R11P12 Bernard Scott CIN R12P1 Greg Camarillo MIN R13P12 Devery Henderson NO R14P1 Lance Moore NO R15P12 Fred Davis WAS R16P1 Defense NYG R17P12 Chaz Schilens OAK R18P1 Jason Campbell OAK R19P12 Jay Feely ARI R20P1 So what do you guys think of this team? What picks do you like? Dislike? Thanks.
Nice looking team.What did the first 11 picks look like? (In the 1st Rd)
 
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Here's what I did at pick 12. PPR League 12 team League. I wanted C.Johnson and M.Austin. Followed by two RB's. Wanted a Top QB and took a shot that V.Jackson plays this year. Waited on a TE and backup him up later. Wanted Knox as I think he is a Great WR sleeper this year. Picked Camarillo I think he could make Farve Great. Picked two NO WR's one will do well this year.Calvin Johnson DET R1P12 Miles Austin DAL R2P1 Matt Forte CHI R3P12 Ryan Grant GB R4P1 Philip Rivers SD R5P12 Vincent Jackson SD R6P1 Chris Cooley WAS R7P12 Donald Brown IND R8P1 Chester Taylor CHI R9P12 Johnny Knox CHI R10P1 Tashard Choice DAL R11P12 Bernard Scott CIN R12P1 Greg Camarillo MIN R13P12 Devery Henderson NO R14P1 Lance Moore NO R15P12 Fred Davis WAS R16P1 Defense NYG R17P12 Chaz Schilens OAK R18P1 Jason Campbell OAK R19P12 Jay Feely ARI R20P1 So what do you guys think of this team? What picks do you like? Dislike? Thanks.
Nice looking team.What did the first 11 picks look like? (In the 1st Rd)
Yep, very happy. Went as I had hoped.1.01-C.Johnson1.02-A.Peterson1.03-M.Drew1.04-R.Rice1.05-A.Johnson1.06-F.Gore1.07-R.Moss1.08-M.Turner1.09-R.Wayne1.10-R.Mendelhall1.11-J.CharlesIf you have drafted or when your done if you could post that would be great.
 
Maroney=Speed said:
texasheat said:
1.10-R.Mendelhall1.11-J.CharlesI'm sorry but that is just absolute nonsense... IMO
Who would you have taken? When would you take Mendelhall? When would you take Charles in a PPR League? thanks
Not a single QB drafted in the 1st round? Interesting. Mendenhall and Charles in the 1st are both ridiculous. Rodgers, Brees, Austin, C. Johnson, D. Williams, Fitz...
 
Maroney=Speed said:
texasheat said:
1.10-R.Mendelhall1.11-J.CharlesI'm sorry but that is just absolute nonsense... IMO
Who would you have taken? When would you take Mendelhall? When would you take Charles in a PPR League? thanks
Not a single QB drafted in the 1st round? Interesting. Mendenhall and Charles in the 1st are both ridiculous. Rodgers, Brees, Austin, C. Johnson, D. Williams, Fitz...
Not a single QB drafted in the 1st round? 4 points per. This is a loaded League of players. Mendelhall and Charles were they really bad picks there? I say not really.But when should they go? 2nd round? 3rd round? Later? Drafts don't and will never go by ADP and what really is ADP? What about S.Jackson?So what if I just say that pick 1.10 was S.Jackson and 1.11 was D.Williams does that make you guys happy? The point was the 1st round went fine(ADP), I posted who I drafted and my plan for each pick. Wanted to add 'Waited on a TE and backup him up later'. Wanted to say I wanted Cooley and F.Davis.
 
just drafted in my local last night. I feel like I made a few goofs but overall might have gotten away with it if I get lucky:

R.Moss

P.Manning

S.Greene

A.Gates

M.Barber

J.Best

A.Foster

H.Nicks

T.Owens

D.Mason

J.Knox

Mcgahee

Rodgers, Brees and Brady all went before I picked. I did pass on good RB2's like Charles and P.Thomas at the 3/4 turn which may have been a huge mistake. Little did I know that J.Finley would last all the way to the 5/6 turn. ARGGHH. Oh well...overall, not too bad. Opinions would be most welcome.

 
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Maroney=Speed said:
texasheat said:
1.10-R.Mendelhall1.11-J.CharlesI'm sorry but that is just absolute nonsense... IMO
Who would you have taken? When would you take Mendelhall? When would you take Charles in a PPR League? thanks
You don't take split time backs in the 1st rnd
 
Do you take two stud WRs but then get stuck with average RBs ?How about a stud QB and best player on the board ?My league is a re-draft, 12 team no PPR- and we have 3rd round reversal so I will get the 12th & 13th overall picks and then the 25th.Right now I'm thinking best RB & WR at 12th & 13th picks and then QB at 25th if it's a Romo, Schaub or Brady -
I think it really depends on what happens in the draft and what all the rules are in your league (ie. how many starters at each position).once in a while a RB will fall to you that should have been taken at #6, #7 or #8, and if that happens you gotta take him.However, in most cases, the top 2 Tiers of RB are gone and you are taking a flyer on someone who has potential, but may not breakout to become a top Tier player (ie. this years Ray Rice)The thing is... you may be able to grab that same player in the third round.So unless a top 8 RB is avalable when you pick, I would suggest doing one of two things:1) Go WR-WR2) Go QB-WRThe hope would be to start a run at one of those positions.If you are successful and a serious run starts on WR or QB (or both if you are lucky), you may be lucky to find yourself in a position to take a RB of similar quality in round 3.if your league rules are such, that it is to your advantage to grab a QB, and someone like Manning or Brees is available, that's a pretty good option at QB. If neither is available, then 2 WR's may well start the run on WR's you need to happen.Typically, what I would expect is that 9 or 10 of the top 11 picks will be RB's and then you will have manning or Brees thrown in there and possibly a top WR.I would run 2 or 3 mocks each with a different breakdown of selections. I'd do one where all RB's go in the first 11 picks...I'd do one where 9 of the first 11 are RB's and 1 QB and 1 WR go.I'd do one where 8 of the first 11 are RB's and 1 QB and 2 WR go.This should cover most of your scenarios there. Obviously if 2 QB go in round 1 you need to either take a RB with one of your first two picks or you double up at WR. This would seem kind of obvious so there is no need for a mock on that scenario.this exercise will hopefully help you to figure out what your likely options will be.regardless of all this, there will inevitably be one or two picks that will be right off the board and one player you thought would be gone will still be available. (happens in almost every draft) so make sure you have a good cheatsheet with rankings.in your position it is more important to know the spot where it is no longer worth your while to draft a RB ahead of a WR or a QB.As I dont know the scoring for your league, I cannot speak to this any further.Good luck
Very insightful and a great post. I am thinking WR/WR and hoping that I can gamble that a decent RB will be there at 3.12 and 4.1 I am running mocks as I write this. However, I would consider Mendenhall at 12, I am just not sure he will last.
 
Start up PPR dynasty started yesterday, 4pt passing TD, 6pt all other TD, I said what the hell and went.

1.12 Miles Austin

2.1 Reggie Wayne

I'll let you know how it works out later.

 
Start up PPR dynasty started yesterday, 4pt passing TD, 6pt all other TD, I said what the hell and went. 1.12 Miles Austin2.1 Reggie WayneI'll let you know how it works out later.
Any update? Curious to know if targeted RB's in rounds 3/4 are available.
 
I decided to go the QB-WR route and hope that my mid level RB's pan out. i was happy to be able to grab SDC and Rackers at the end of the draft...

01.12 QB Aaron Rodgers

02.01 WR Miles Austin

03.01 WR Roddy White

04.01 RB Pierre Thomas

05.12 RB Knowshon Moreno

06.01 RB Ahmad Bradshaw

07.12 WR Mike Wallace

08.01 TE Owen Daniels

09.12 WR Jabar Gaffney

10.01 RB Darren McFadden

11.12 WR Mike Williams (SEA)

12.01 QB Alex Smith

13.12 DEF San Diego

14.01 PK Rackers

 
Just had my draft tonight and came out with Steven Jackson and Andre Johnson picking in the 12 spot. The others in my league went QB and RB crazy but miffed on Jackson for some reason. This is the third year in a row I have been stuck picking 12th.

 
Start up PPR dynasty started yesterday, 4pt passing TD, 6pt all other TD, I said what the hell and went. 1.12 Miles Austin2.1 Reggie WayneI'll let you know how it works out later.
Any update? Curious to know if targeted RB's in rounds 3/4 are available.
1.12 Miles Austin2.1 Reggie Wayne3.12 Pierre Thomas4.1 Cedric Benson5.12 Joseph Addai6.1 Mike Sims-WalkerI'm pretty happy with those first 6 picks.
 
12 Team, PPR League

1.12-Calvin Johnson

2.1-Brandon Marshall

3.12-Tony Romo

4.1 Jahvid Best

5.12-Ronnie Brown

6.1- Reggie Bush

7.12-Bernard Berrian

8.1-Chris Cooley

9.12-Devin Aromashadu

10.1-Jay Cutler

11.12--Darren Sproles

12.1-Heath Miller

13.12-Lance Moore

14.1- Saints D

15.1-Kareem Huggins

16-K

 
It depends on the scoring but at the 12 spot you need to lock up elite players at their positions. If 6 points for passind td's, I would go qb and wr for those two picks. It's better to have a top 3 qb and wr then the 10th best rb. You need to make up points and getting it at qb and wr seems to be the best way to go.

 

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