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The 2007 Reggie Bush Bandwagon (1 Viewer)

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The Saints have looked horrible this season. Brees has been atrocious. Bush has been a disappointment. He's backed into a corner. His team's season is all but lost. Will he fold under the pressure? No way Jose. Reggie Bush will be a top 10 RB in all formats from here on out. Over the next thirteen weeks he will finally silence his critics and prove that he's a superstar RB capable of handling a heavy workload. My reasoning:

- The Saints can't possibly be THIS bad all season. I think it's clear that they were playing over their heads last season, but I still have to believe that sooner or later this offense will find some semblance of a rhythm. Drew Brees is too good and too experienced to be throwing 4 INTs every week.

- Reggie Bush is a dynamic talent capable of producing when given the opportunity. Now that he should get 15-20 carries every week, he'll find a rhythm and break some big plays. People who say he can't carry the load are underestimating his strength and durability, much like they did with Tiki Barber before he became a star.

- The Saints have a fairly light schedule this season. In their next thirteen games they'll play Carolina, Seattle, Atlanta, San Francisco, Jacksonville, St. Louis, Houston, Carolina, Tampa Bay, Atlanta, Arizona, Philadelphia, and Chicago. Most of these teams fall somewhere between awful and mediocre.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Who's coming with me? :(

 
I'll get on board, for better or worse. He basically has nowhere to go but up at this point.

Many have been waiting for Reggie to have his chance without Deuce. Well, it's time to see what the kid is made of.

 
I'm on board. Own him in 5 dynasty leagues, and even took him at 1.3 in a startup dynasty. The way LT, Jackson, and LJ have performed this year, I don't think the pick could have been any better, save taking Addai.

 
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EBF said:
The Saints have looked horrible this season. Brees has been atrocious. Bush has been a disappointment. He's backed into a corner. His team's season is all but lost. Will he fold under the pressure? No way Jose. Reggie Bush will be a top 10 RB in all formats from here on out. Over the next thirteen weeks he will finally silence his critics and prove that he's a superstar RB capable of handling a heavy workload. My reasoning:

- The Saints can't possibly be THIS bad all season. I think it's clear that they were playing over their heads last season, but I still have to believe that sooner or later this offense will find some semblance of a rhythm. Drew Brees is too good and too experienced to be throwing 4 INTs every week.

- Reggie Bush is a dynamic talent capable of producing when given the opportunity. Now that he should get 15-20 carries every week, he'll find a rhythm and break some big plays. People who say he can't carry the load are underestimating his strength and durability, much like they did with Tiki Barber before he became a star.

- The Saints have a fairly light schedule this season. In their next thirteen games they'll play Carolina, Seattle, Atlanta, San Francisco, Jacksonville, St. Louis, Houston, Carolina, Tampa Bay, Atlanta, Arizona, Philadelphia, and Chicago. Most of these teams fall somewhere between awful and mediocre.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Who's coming with me? :shrug:
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I'm not sure about the bolded part above. I mean, they got killed in week 1 and that's OK because they had 10 days to prepare for the Bucs. Then, they don't show up on offense again. So they get 8 days to fix things for the Tenn Monday night game and they STILL look horrible? What makes you think something is suddenly going to click?
 
Warehouse Nasty said:
EBF said:
The Saints have looked horrible this season. Brees has been atrocious. Bush has been a disappointment. He's backed into a corner. His team's season is all but lost. Will he fold under the pressure? No way Jose. Reggie Bush will be a top 10 RB in all formats from here on out. Over the next thirteen weeks he will finally silence his critics and prove that he's a superstar RB capable of handling a heavy workload. My reasoning:

- The Saints can't possibly be THIS bad all season. I think it's clear that they were playing over their heads last season, but I still have to believe that sooner or later this offense will find some semblance of a rhythm. Drew Brees is too good and too experienced to be throwing 4 INTs every week.

- Reggie Bush is a dynamic talent capable of producing when given the opportunity. Now that he should get 15-20 carries every week, he'll find a rhythm and break some big plays. People who say he can't carry the load are underestimating his strength and durability, much like they did with Tiki Barber before he became a star.

- The Saints have a fairly light schedule this season. In their next thirteen games they'll play Carolina, Seattle, Atlanta, San Francisco, Jacksonville, St. Louis, Houston, Carolina, Tampa Bay, Atlanta, Arizona, Philadelphia, and Chicago. Most of these teams fall somewhere between awful and mediocre.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Who's coming with me? :confused:
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I'm not sure about the bolded part above. I mean, they got killed in week 1 and that's OK because they had 10 days to prepare for the Bucs. Then, they don't show up on offense again. So they get 8 days to fix things for the Tenn Monday night game and they STILL look horrible? What makes you think something is suddenly going to click?
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Unless they're truly one of the worst teams in the NFL, I just don't see how they can continue to perform this poorly over a full season. I'm willing to write off the Colts loss because the Colts are one of the elite teams in the NFL. The Titans aren't considered a powerhouse, but they're playing great ball this season and are clearly a much better team than expected. The Bucs loss is bad, but it might have been a decent game if not for a couple of flukish Galloway TDs. And even the Bucs are a halfway decent team. Look, I'm not saying New Orleans is going to make a playoff run again, but all they need to do is be mediocre in order to give Bush a chance to produce. I think they're capable of that.

 
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I don't think he's been cross trained fully in McAllister's role. I don't see Payton retooling the entire offense, so I think Reggie continues to be used the same way with a slight increase in rushing touches. I'm with you though, EBF. Payton should line him up in the "I" and give him the rock 20+ times to find out what a beast he really has there.

Go Reggie Go!

Reggie has been very disappointing as a runner. He stutter steps and looks around too much. I think that would change with a heavy load of carries. He is still pressing. He needs to slow down a little, be patient for the holes, take what's there when there's little there, and things will start opening up for him.

I really wished I owned him anywhere. I offered LJ for him straight up in Z30 this offseason and couldn't get a deal.

 
On board.

The Reggie Express is taking off and isn't going to stop.

Top 3 RB in PPR leagues going forward without a doubt.

Top 10 in non-PPR leagues.

 
ON. At least until Steven Jackson comes back from his groin injury. (Keeper league, before the "4 team league with your sister, dog, and infant son" cracks.) So, I might be here a while. :(

Maybe the additional touches will give Bush more patience, because he won't try to make something happen on every single touch now. But regardless, I totally agree with the "make or break" comment. Time to see what the kid's capable of. It'll either be a fun ride, or we'll crash headfirst into the wall.

Of course, everybody in my family has a Bush jersey, so I might be biased and optimistic. :bs:

Though why did you have to wake up the haters? :shrug:

 
If Reggie Bush fails the Texans should be praised for passing on him considering they were ripped for over a year when they took Mario Williams...Not only is Reggie Bush not running well Ive seen him drop too many passes in the flats and on dinks and dunks this year...very weird

 
I know it's virtually impossible to change blocking schemes in mid-season, but I'd like to see what Bush could do in a run blocking scheme similar to what the Lions did for Barry Sanders. I think such a scheme might prove more effective for the Saints given the problems they've been having up front so far this season. With Duece out they could totally commit to running a spread offense rather than trying to fit both running styles.

Just a wild hair.

 
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I need him to be but I am a realist.

He isn't a bust but he will never be more than a decent RB2 for any fantasy team. If you can't run north-south and can't wait for holes to open up in the NFL then you are not going to be a special back. He is ppr league friendly but I see Stecker taking over the Deuce role.

 
I am not getting on this bandwagon. I do not think Bush will be a bust from here on out, but no way he is top 3 from here on out. Top 10 possibly in PPR, standard leagues he is Top 20.

New Orleans has some issues and losing Deuce and Jason David will not help these issues. New Orleans has no deep threat this year. I do not know what has happened to Devrey Henderson and Terrence Copper but they are non-existent. Colston is solid but he is a possession WR like Keyshawn was. What this means is that everyone from here on out is going to be keying on Reggie Bush. He will find it much more difficult to get to the corner and break off a long run. In turn, the offense line has regressed from last year and looks poor. He is finding no room up the middle and is still trying to cut it outside and dance around too much.

Reggie's TDs may go slightly up by default from losing Deuce. And his Receptions may actually approach 90-100. But his rushing and receiving yards will still struggle.

The only way Reggie could make top 3 is if he had the same sitaution as last year (with O-line and WRs) and he was the featured back and Deuce would be spelling him just on occasion. Or if he were on a different offense.

Sorry guys.

 
southeastjerome said:
moderated said:
On board.

The Reggie Express is taking off and isn't going to stop.

Top 3 RB in PPR leagues going forward without a doubt.

Top 10 in non-PPR leagues.
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I have no idea where you get your optimism.
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because he's now gonna consistantly get 20+ touches a game and 6 of those touches will be receptions which equals a TD in PPR leagues.With Deuce out the only RB's i'd take over him in PPR leagues would be LT and the only other ones i could see an argument for are Addai/Fast Willie/Westbrook. I wouldn't even consider any others besides those over him.

Deuce took away a lot of touches and all the goaline carries and Reggie was still top 10 in PPR leagues last season.

 
BIGGjohnny said:
I am not getting on this bandwagon. I do not think Bush will be a bust from here on out, but no way he is top 3 from here on out. Top 10 possibly in PPR, standard leagues he is Top 20.

New Orleans has some issues and losing Deuce and Jason David will not help these issues. New Orleans has no deep threat this year. I do not know what has happened to Devrey Henderson and Terrence Copper but they are non-existent. Colston is solid but he is a possession WR like Keyshawn was. What this means is that everyone from here on out is going to be keying on Reggie Bush. He will find it much more difficult to get to the corner and break off a long run. In turn, the offense line has regressed from last year and looks poor. He is finding no room up the middle and is still trying to cut it outside and dance around too much.

Reggie's TDs may go slightly up by default from losing Deuce. And his Receptions may actually approach 90-100. But his rushing and receiving yards will still struggle.

The only way Reggie could make top 3 is if he had the same sitaution as last year (with O-line and WRs) and he was the featured back and Deuce would be spelling him just on occasion. Or if he were on a different offense.

Sorry guys.
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That's fine. This bandwagon is filling up quick anyways. There's only room for 25

 
Texican said:
BIGGjohnny said:
I am not getting on this bandwagon. I do not think Bush will be a bust from here on out, but no way he is top 3 from here on out. Top 10 possibly in PPR, standard leagues he is Top 20.

New Orleans has some issues and losing Deuce and Jason David will not help these issues. New Orleans has no deep threat this year. I do not know what has happened to Devrey Henderson and Terrence Copper but they are non-existent. Colston is solid but he is a possession WR like Keyshawn was. What this means is that everyone from here on out is going to be keying on Reggie Bush. He will find it much more difficult to get to the corner and break off a long run. In turn, the offense line has regressed from last year and looks poor. He is finding no room up the middle and is still trying to cut it outside and dance around too much.

Reggie's TDs may go slightly up by default from losing Deuce. And his Receptions may actually approach 90-100. But his rushing and receiving yards will still struggle.

The only way Reggie could make top 3 is if he had the same sitaution as last year (with O-line and WRs) and he was the featured back and Deuce would be spelling him just on occasion. Or if he were on a different offense.

Sorry guys.
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That's fine. This bandwagon is filling up quick anyways. There's only room for 25
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:confused: Can the non-bandwagon people please stay out of this thread, your not welcome here.

 
I posted in another thread, basically, that the injury to Deuce is going to force the Saints to play honest offense, and that will help Reggie.

When Reggie scored the TD up the middle, the hole was HUGE, because the defense NEVER expected him to run up the gut. On an earlier series, they ran from the same formation back to back. On the first play, Reggie took the end around, while Deuce got a fake hand off up the middle. The defense played the end around. On the second play, Terrence Copper came in motion for the end around, but the ball actually went to Deuce, the defense played the run up the middle. They knew who was getting the ball by who was in the game, even though the play was from the same formation and everything.

Now that the Saints don't have Deuce, hopefully they will use Reggie as an RB, not as a gimmick. It will force Reggie to learn to run better, and it will force the team to call an honest game and not lean on trickery. I believe Bush is good enough that if the plays aren't telegraphed he will be very successful.

 
switz said:
I posted in another thread, basically, that the injury to Deuce is going to force the Saints to play honest offense, and that will help Reggie.When Reggie scored the TD up the middle, the hole was HUGE, because the defense NEVER expected him to run up the gut. On an earlier series, they ran from the same formation back to back. On the first play, Reggie took the end around, while Deuce got a fake hand off up the middle. The defense played the end around. On the second play, Terrence Copper came in motion for the end around, but the ball actually went to Deuce, the defense played the run up the middle. They knew who was getting the ball by who was in the game, even though the play was from the same formation and everything.Now that the Saints don't have Deuce, hopefully they will use Reggie as an RB, not as a gimmick. It will force Reggie to learn to run better, and it will force the team to call an honest game and not lean on trickery. I believe Bush is good enough that if the plays aren't telegraphed he will be very successful.
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:unsure: got my first class tickets and i'm ready to roll :drive:
 
PantherPower said:
I'm on board. Own him in 5 dynasty leagues, and even took him at 1.3 in a startup dynasty. The way LT, Jackson, and LJ have performed this year, I don't think the pick could have been any better, save taking Addai.
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i'm on the same boat. :thumbup:

Lets go President. :football: :football:

 
BIGGjohnny said:
I am not getting on this bandwagon. I do not think Bush will be a bust from here on out, but no way he is top 3 from here on out. Top 10 possibly in PPR, standard leagues he is Top 20. New Orleans has some issues and losing Deuce and Jason David will not help these issues. New Orleans has no deep threat this year. I do not know what has happened to Devrey Henderson and Terrence Copper but they are non-existent. Colston is solid but he is a possession WR like Keyshawn was. What this means is that everyone from here on out is going to be keying on Reggie Bush. He will find it much more difficult to get to the corner and break off a long run. In turn, the offense line has regressed from last year and looks poor. He is finding no room up the middle and is still trying to cut it outside and dance around too much. Reggie's TDs may go slightly up by default from losing Deuce. And his Receptions may actually approach 90-100. But his rushing and receiving yards will still struggle. The only way Reggie could make top 3 is if he had the same sitaution as last year (with O-line and WRs) and he was the featured back and Deuce would be spelling him just on occasion. Or if he were on a different offense.Sorry guys.
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Beat it Debbie Downer! Hops on board.
 
moderated said:
southeastjerome said:
moderated said:
On board.

The Reggie Express is taking off and isn't going to stop.

Top 3 RB in PPR leagues going forward without a doubt.

Top 10 in non-PPR leagues.
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I have no idea where you get your optimism.
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because he's now gonna consistantly get 20+ touches a game and 6 of those touches will be receptions which equals a TD in PPR leagues.With Deuce out the only RB's i'd take over him in PPR leagues would be LT and the only other ones i could see an argument for are Addai/Fast Willie/Westbrook. I wouldn't even consider any others besides those over him.

Deuce took away a lot of touches and all the goaline carries and Reggie was still top 10 in PPR leagues last season.
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Well last year the NO offense was clicking and this year it is not. With Deuce out, it will only mean more attention to Bush.
 
bush has averaged 2.8 yards per carry, and a fantastic 4.4 per catch. i wonder what his YAC is, with that awesome 4.4? i have no doubt those numbers will improve, because they have no place to go but up. c'mon people. this dude has been a total bust, but, everything will be alright because now he will be the featured back? even if his vision, and timing does improve, he still can't break an arm tackle. i'd grab stecker if he's still available.

 
If Bush gets back on track I am a LOCK (mark it down!) to win the subscriber contest (Brady, Addai, Bush, TO, TJHoush, Galloway, etc.).

I'll drive if you need to take a break.

:fishing:

 
If you don't have Bush I'm sorry, but here's a little song I wrote about it. Like to hear it? Here it goes...

World's Smallest =======> :goodposting:

Thank you, Thank you very much....

ETA: I hope Deuce comes back soon next year. Really like to watch him play. Get well soon my man.

 
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Considering he's currently the 26th rated RB, he HAS to get better... :lmao: .. he just has to..... :( ......

Right? I mean, he was drafted to be a RB1 in a lot of leagues.... :( ........ right? I will now light myself on fire.

 
I'm still confident that Bush can finish top 10 RB in PPR scoring. But he's looking even worse than last year in non-PPR scoring. He's averaging 2.8 ypc. He got off to a slow start last year too, but he just doesn't look good right now from a pure RB standpoint.

 
TwinTurbo said:
I'm still confident that Bush can finish top 10 RB in PPR scoring. But he's looking even worse than last year in non-PPR scoring. He's averaging 2.8 ypc. He got off to a slow start last year too, but he just doesn't look good right now from a pure RB standpoint.
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It's only 29 carries.
 
PACKER 7 said:
If you don't have Bush I'm sorry, but here's a little song I wrote about it. Like to hear it? Here it goes...World's Smallest =======> :lmao: Thank you, Thank you very much....ETA: I hope Deuce comes back soon next year. Really like to watch him play. Get well soon my man.
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classic . . .
 
Pocket Joker said:
I don't know about you guys, but his 7 carries for 15 yards definitely sold me....Where's my beer.... :lmao:
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I'll only say this seriously, then back to the party, but is it me or are the Saints bunching their formations this year more?I mean on many, many plays there are 3 WRs bunched just 3-4 steps to the right of the OT.I don't remember then running this kind of formation last year so much. I think that has a lot to do with the running room.By bunching all the guys close to the middle, of course the Defense will be close to the middle having less ground to cover. Then whamo, no running game and only short pass opportunities.IMO, the Saints have to spread out their formations inorder for this offense to be successful again.OK, party on.
 
I wish Reggie luck, but in my league he is behind Sammy Morris for total points, it's big hill for that little Reggie to get over. It would help if he could run between the tackles, but's thats another story for another post.

 
EBF said:
- Reggie Bush is a dynamic talent capable of producing when given the opportunity. Now that he should get 15-20 carries every week, he'll find a rhythm and break some big plays. People who say he can't carry the load are underestimating his strength and durability, much like they did with Tiki Barber before he became a star.
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Reggie is indeed incredibly strong for his size. He truly is a freak. But I was concerned that he just didn't seem very effective up the gut vs. the Titans. Do you just chalk this up to a strong Titans DL?
 
I personally like Reggie Bush but he does not seem to have the patience that it takes to be a great back in the NFL. He tries to get to the line of scrimmage as fast as possible running between the tackles rather than waiting for holes to open up. So 29 rushes for 80 yards is too little too make a judgment, but you can't say that about about the 155 carries in 2006 for a 3.6 yard average and a long run of 18 yards (18 yards?). He's fast and that's great, but everyone in the NFL is fast - did anyone see Rob Morris take him down in the Colts game when he tried to outrun him to the corner? One on one with a 250 pound linebacker and you can't get past him? Until he learns to settle down some and let some holes develop, I don't think he will be an elite back.

 
The Man Who Met Andy Griffith said:
EBF said:
- Reggie Bush is a dynamic talent capable of producing when given the opportunity. Now that he should get 15-20 carries every week, he'll find a rhythm and break some big plays. People who say he can't carry the load are underestimating his strength and durability, much like they did with Tiki Barber before he became a star.
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Reggie is indeed incredibly strong for his size. He truly is a freak. But I was concerned that he just didn't seem very effective up the gut vs. the Titans. Do you just chalk this up to a strong Titans DL?
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He had 7 carries in the game. Two of them were short yardage TDs. That leaves 5 other carries from which to judge his effectiveness. I don't think you can judge a back based on 5 carries.
 
From PFT regarding Reggie Bush:

BUSH WIDELY VIEWED AS OVERRATED

Our pal Mike Freeman of CBSSports.com (who is a much better writer than he is a fantasy football owner) nails it regarding the Legend of Reggie Bush in a new column comparing the No. 2 overall pick in the 2006 draft to Tony Mandarich, the overhyped left tackle who didn't do squat in the NFL.

Writes Freeman: "Defensive coordinators have told me this season that Bush may be seen as a superstar to the general public but he is not someone who keeps them awake at night. They say he's not as fast as he looks, can be covered by a linebacker one-on-one and gets shy around contact."

The fact that Bush is widely regarded as a superstar is actually causing folks in the league to take a dimmer view of him than they would if he was a third-down back taken on the second day of the draft.

As one league source told us on Wednesday, an "amazing number of people" in the league think Bush is overrated. And more and more folks are concluding that the Texans knew what they were doing when passing on Bush with the No. 1 selection. (Not drafting Vince Young, however, is quite another story.)

It's not going to get any better for Bush. Though many assume that he'll get a chance to become an every-down back (and potentially blossom) now that Deuce McAllister is out for the season, don't be surprised if backup Aaron Stecker ends up inheriting most of the touches that would have gone to McAllister.

And Bush's sinking star could have a negative impact on the draft stock of WVU running back Steve Slaton, who has already drawn comparisons to the 2005 Heisman winner. The problem, as we see it, is that guys like Bush and Slaton have the speed to run around, and away from, college defenses that, at most, have one or two guys with the skills to even have a chance at stopping them. But when some 120 major NCAA programs funnel the best of the best into the NFL, most teams have more than enough guys to neutralize the speed and elusiveness that guys like Bush demonstrated before playing with the big boys.

 
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