THE 4TH ROUND (1 Viewer)

[Northbound Train]

Based on current ADP's in a PPR league.... 12 team league

This round just reeks.... over-valued, aging RB's, injured Wr's, a QB & 3 freaken TE's ...

I draft from the 6 hole in one of my big $$$ drafts and this round stinks !!!

Turner ~ I won't be that guy, see LaMont Jordan a couple yrs back, big bust once he became starter
Boldin ~ oft-injured extremely talented WR...Leinhart is big question mark, I'd love him at pick 43
Palmer ~ too early for a QB IMO....great talent but think you can find similar numbers a few rounds later (ie. Cutler)
Edge ~ jiminy crickets...this guys legs ay falled off by week 4, HIghtower in the waiting
Witten ~ I can't draft a TE this high, many will but Witten had a career yr last yr IMO, won't come close to duplicating those numbers
FWP ~ 2 measly TD's last year and now Mendenhall
Greg Jennings ~ loss of Favre leaves this as a big ?
Thomas Jones ~ are you f0cken kidding me, this guy stinks, never hit DD TD's, 8 TD's L30 starts
Roy Williams ~ extreme talent when healthy, would be happy to land Roy and a Martz less offense
KWII ~ awesome talent, if I were ever to grab a TE this early it would be KWII, better than Witten but still high for a TE
Gates ~ we've seen his best, PASSSSSSSSSs
Big BEn ~ Stillers will throw less, back to smash mouth ball...way too high for Big Ben...more like a late 5th, early 6th pick

 

[Christo]

Based on current ADP's in a PPR league.... 12 team league

This round just reeks.... over-valued, aging RB's, injured Wr's, a QB & 3 freaken TE's ...

I draft from the 6 hole in one of my big $$$ drafts and this round stinks !!!

Turner ~ I won't be that guy, see LaMont Jordan a couple yrs back, big bust once he became starter

Yeah, those 1588 yards and 11 TDs his first year in Oakland really were pretty pathetic.

 

[joffer]

Based on current ADP's in a PPR league.... 12 team league

This round just reeks.... over-valued, aging RB's, injured Wr's, a QB & 3 freaken TE's ...

I draft from the 6 hole in one of my big $$$ drafts and this round stinks !!!

Turner ~ I won't be that guy, see LaMont Jordan a couple yrs back, big bust once he became starter like him here, don't love him
Boldin ~ oft-injured extremely talented WR...Leinhart is big question mark, I'd love him at pick 43 if you're lucky enough to get Boldin here...do this
Palmer ~ too early for a QB IMO....great talent but think you can find similar numbers a few rounds later (ie. Cutler) nope
Edge ~ jiminy crickets...this guys legs ay falled off by week 4, HIghtower in the waiting wait one more round
Witten ~ I can't draft a TE this high, many will but Witten had a career yr last yr IMO, won't come close to duplicating those numbers if it's PPR, yes
FWP ~ 2 measly TD's last year and now Mendenhall i haven't made a decision yet on this guy
Greg Jennings ~ loss of Favre leaves this as a big ? nope
Thomas Jones ~ are you f0cken kidding me, this guy stinks, never hit DD TD's, 8 TD's L30 starts oh my yes. run, don't walk to make this pick
Roy Williams ~ extreme talent when healthy, would be happy to land Roy and a Martz less offense nope
KWII ~ awesome talent, if I were ever to grab a TE this early it would be KWII, better than Witten but still high for a TE see Witten
Gates ~ we've seen his best, PASSSSSSSSSs not until you here some good news on the toe
Big BEn ~ Stillers will throw less, back to smash mouth ball...way too high for Big Ben...more like a late 5th, early 6th pick nope

 

[joffer]

i was just thinking how i absolutely love the 4th round value, but hate the 3rd round this year.

 

[Northbound Train]

Based on current ADP's in a PPR league.... 12 team league

This round just reeks.... over-valued, aging RB's, injured Wr's, a QB & 3 freaken TE's ...

I draft from the 6 hole in one of my big $$$ drafts and this round stinks !!!

Turner ~ I won't be that guy, see LaMont Jordan a couple yrs back, big bust once he became starter

Yeah, those 1588 yards and 11 TDs his first year in Oakland really were pretty pathetic.

Listen fatty... maybe try providing some insight into the round rather than looking for the first thing you can find to provide useless drivelOK, my bad, so he had one freaken good year, way back in 05, forgot all about that since he got ran out of Oaktown by future HOF'ers Fargas, Dom Rhodes, Bush, Crockett etc, etc

 

[travdogg]

I got Michael Turner at the 4.06 pick as a RB3 and couldn't be happier about it. What's wrong with a starting back who will see a high workload in most games in the 4th round?

 

[flooredyas]

I got Michael Turner at the 4.06 pick as a RB3 and couldn't be happier about it. What's wrong with a starting back who will see a high workload in most games in the 4th round?

nada-if flex

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Based on current ADP's in a PPR league.... 12 team league

This round just reeks.... over-valued, aging RB's, injured Wr's, a QB & 3 freaken TE's ...

I draft from the 6 hole in one of my big $$$ drafts and this round stinks !!!

Turner ~ I won't be that guy, see LaMont Jordan a couple yrs back, big bust once he became starter
Boldin ~ oft-injured extremely talented WR...Leinhart is big question mark, I'd love him at pick 43
Palmer ~ too early for a QB IMO....great talent but think you can find similar numbers a few rounds later (ie. Cutler)
Edge ~ jiminy crickets...this guys legs ay falled off by week 4, HIghtower in the waiting
Witten ~ I can't draft a TE this high, many will but Witten had a career yr last yr IMO, won't come close to duplicating those numbers
FWP ~ 2 measly TD's last year and now Mendenhall
Greg Jennings ~ loss of Favre leaves this as a big ?
Thomas Jones ~ are you f0cken kidding me, this guy stinks, never hit DD TD's, 8 TD's L30 starts
Roy Williams ~ extreme talent when healthy, would be happy to land Roy and a Martz less offense
KWII ~ awesome talent, if I were ever to grab a TE this early it would be KWII, better than Witten but still high for a TE
Gates ~ we've seen his best, PASSSSSSSSSs
Big BEn ~ Stillers will throw less, back to smash mouth ball...way too high for Big Ben...more like a late 5th, early 6th pick

I think you're right about the drafting of QB's and TE in terms of waiting, although Kw2 is not better than Witten, but whatever.I think you're a little off on your Rb's in this round. I think Turner will do decent and so will T. Jones. Jennings is a little bit of a question mark but could easily outperform Roy Williams and Boldin.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I got Michael Turner at the 4.06 pick as a RB3 and couldn't be happier about it. What's wrong with a starting back who will see a high workload in most games in the 4th round?

My question is do you start 3 Rb's in your league? I mean someone could draft Turner as their RB 4 if they wanted to take all RB's but I think if you're taking Turner, ideally you need him as a RB2, and if he can't perform that highly, then you shouldn't burn a 4th round pick on him.

 

[travdogg]

I got Michael Turner at the 4.06 pick as a RB3 and couldn't be happier about it. What's wrong with a starting back who will see a high workload in most games in the 4th round?

My question is do you start 3 Rb's in your league? I mean someone could draft Turner as their RB 4 if they wanted to take all RB's but I think if you're taking Turner, ideally you need him as a RB2, and if he can't perform that highly, then you shouldn't burn a 4th round pick on him.

At the risk of hijacking the thread...my league starts 2 RB's so Turner is a luxury and not an every week starter.I think Turner can play at the level of a good RB2, I was just lucky enough to get him as a 3rd and saw that as a great value. I'm one of the ones who think Turner was great talent trapped behind a far greater talent. I have him about 15th at RB.

 

[Evilhomer3k]

Based on current ADP's in a PPR league.... 12 team league

This round just reeks.... over-valued, aging RB's, injured Wr's, a QB & 3 freaken TE's ...

I draft from the 6 hole in one of my big $$$ drafts and this round stinks !!!

Turner ~ I won't be that guy, see LaMont Jordan a couple yrs back, big bust once he became starter

Yeah, those 1588 yards and 11 TDs his first year in Oakland really were pretty pathetic.

Listen fatty... maybe try providing some insight into the round rather than looking for the first thing you can find to provide useless drivelOK, my bad, so he had one freaken good year, way back in 05, forgot all about that since he got ran out of Oaktown by future HOF'ers Fargas, Dom Rhodes, Bush, Crockett etc, etc

He finished at #7 in my league. Not knowing that Jordan had an excellent season under Norv Turner and throwing insults at people doesn't do a whole lot for you credibility. Jordan was better in 2006 than Fargas in YPC but had fewer touches. The Shell led Raiders were one of the worst teams ever. They were shut out 3 times and scored 10 or fewer points 8 times. Not one on the Raiders was worth anything that year, including Randy Moss. The Raiders drafted Darren McFadden so they got rid of several people after the 2007 season.

Rhodes and Jordan left the Raiders after 2007. Bush was on IR all of 2007. Crockett went to Tampa after the 2006 season and he's a full back. So Jordan was not run out of town by the people you listed. He became expendable with the drafting of McFadden.

So your first point of not drafting Turner because Jordan was a "big bust" really starts your post off on the wrong foot. Basing the success or failure of a player based on one data point is probably not the most accurate. Then, your single data point is wrong.

Now I do agree with Turner being a bit risky but not because of Jordan's lack of success in Oakland after Norv Turner left. Mike Mularkey is the offensive coordinator of the Falcons. Mularkey was the OC for Pittsburgh from 2001-2003 and Miami in 2006. Mularkey tends to go with a RBBC and has never had a top 20 running back while he was the OC (it could be because Bettis was at the tail end of his career but he shared time with several backs during Mularkey's three years). Ronnie Brown was 25th in my league in 2006 and that is the best any back has done under Mularkey from what I can dig up.

 

[Rushmore]

i was just thinking how i absolutely love the 4th round value, but hate the 3rd round this year.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I got Michael Turner at the 4.06 pick as a RB3 and couldn't be happier about it. What's wrong with a starting back who will see a high workload in most games in the 4th round?

My question is do you start 3 Rb's in your league? I mean someone could draft Turner as their RB 4 if they wanted to take all RB's but I think if you're taking Turner, ideally you need him as a RB2, and if he can't perform that highly, then you shouldn't burn a 4th round pick on him.

At the risk of hijacking the thread...my league starts 2 RB's so Turner is a luxury and not an every week starter.I think Turner can play at the level of a good RB2, I was just lucky enough to get him as a 3rd and saw that as a great value. I'm one of the ones who think Turner was great talent trapped behind a far greater talent. I have him about 15th at RB.

I guess all I'm saying is I think it may be a mistake to draft luxury in the 4th round. Me personally, if I was as high on Turner as you, I would have drafted 2 receivers thru 4 rounds.Even though your RB corps is better with having 3 RB's in the first 4 rounds, I doubt your overall starting lineup is as strong since one of your top 4 picks is gauranteed to be sitting the bench each week

 

[Sweetness_34]

I would love to get Michael Turner or Carson Palmer in my 4th round.....

 

[clinton_c]

Big BEn ~ Stillers will throw less, back to smash mouth ball...way too high for Big Ben...more like a late 5th, early 6th

I think Ben is going to be much the same this year....With the 4th round being full of question marks, I will gladly take him knowing what he will give me.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Based on current ADP's in a PPR league.... 12 team league

This round just reeks.... over-valued, aging RB's, injured Wr's, a QB & 3 freaken TE's ...

I draft from the 6 hole in one of my big $$$ drafts and this round stinks !!!

Turner ~ I won't be that guy, see LaMont Jordan a couple yrs back, big bust once he became starter

Yeah, those 1588 yards and 11 TDs his first year in Oakland really were pretty pathetic.

Listen fatty... maybe try providing some insight into the round rather than looking for the first thing you can find to provide useless drivel

Don't go here again. TIA.J

 

[Evilhomer3k]

I got Michael Turner at the 4.06 pick as a RB3 and couldn't be happier about it. What's wrong with a starting back who will see a high workload in most games in the 4th round?

My question is do you start 3 Rb's in your league? I mean someone could draft Turner as their RB 4 if they wanted to take all RB's but I think if you're taking Turner, ideally you need him as a RB2, and if he can't perform that highly, then you shouldn't burn a 4th round pick on him.

At the risk of hijacking the thread...my league starts 2 RB's so Turner is a luxury and not an every week starter.I think Turner can play at the level of a good RB2, I was just lucky enough to get him as a 3rd and saw that as a great value. I'm one of the ones who think Turner was great talent trapped behind a far greater talent. I have him about 15th at RB.

I guess all I'm saying is I think it may be a mistake to draft luxury in the 4th round. Me personally, if I was as high on Turner as you, I would have drafted 2 receivers thru 4 rounds.Even though your RB corps is better with having 3 RB's in the first 4 rounds, I doubt your overall starting lineup is as strong since one of your top 4 picks is gauranteed to be sitting the bench each week

A lot of people draft for running back depth. I would agree with you, though. If you're high on a running back you can get in the 4th it makes sense to grab a wr or qb in rounds 2-3 instead of a second running back. I understand that backs get hurt and having depth is important but drafting a 3rd back in the 4th is going to hurt your starter depth. I'd rather have my3rd running back be someone I can get after I've got most of my core all set (maybe even my entire starting lineup - not K/D, though).

 

[footballman_696969]

i was just thinking how i absolutely love the 4th round value, but hate the 3rd round this year.

 

[Phurfur]

Based on current ADP's in a PPR league.... 12 team league

This round just reeks.... over-valued, aging RB's, injured Wr's, a QB & 3 freaken TE's ...

I draft from the 6 hole in one of my big $$$ drafts and this round stinks !!!

Turner ~ I won't be that guy, see LaMont Jordan a couple yrs back, big bust once he became starter

Yeah, those 1588 yards and 11 TDs his first year in Oakland really were pretty pathetic.

Listen fatty... maybe try providing some insight into the round rather than looking for the first thing you can find to provide useless drivelOK, my bad, so he had one freaken good year, way back in 05, forgot all about that since he got ran out of Oaktown by future HOF'ers Fargas, Dom Rhodes, Bush, Crockett etc, etc

Yup, this makes me want to respond.

 

[Saint]

I would be perfectly happy taking Thomas Jones at 4.06. The Jets have made some improvements during the offseason. I do have some concerns with brining in Bill Callahan from Nebraska as the O-Line coach as NFL plays much faster pace than college; however, Nebraska has always been a running team, so I imagine that Callahan will be bringing in some new types of looks for improving the run. This is a good thing for Jones.

In addition, the signing of Faneca was huge, along with Woody. I think both of these players will improve a poor O-Line from last year. Finally Richardson is a solid blocking fullback. This is going to help Jones out as well. I'm not saying that Jones is going to be the best rb out there, but what I am saying is that with an improved O-Line, the fact that he is a featured back, the fact that he now has a real fullback, the fact that Favre will improve the passing game and thereby opening the run game a bit, all point to SOLID value in the 4th round.

Needless to say, I imagine I will be having Jones on every one of my teams this year, especially as I am hoping to snag him in the 4th or 5th round. I believe his stats of 1000/6 or so could be potentially on the low side.. I like him closer to 1200/8 or so. Can he crack the top 15? If he stays healthy, I would not be surprised to see him there.

 

[barista]

Edge...

but your reason to avoid Rothlis is that the Steel is moving back to "smashmouth" but Fast Willie is also a downgrade? That mean you're certainly getting Mendenhall?

 

[travdogg]

I got Michael Turner at the 4.06 pick as a RB3 and couldn't be happier about it. What's wrong with a starting back who will see a high workload in most games in the 4th round?

My question is do you start 3 Rb's in your league? I mean someone could draft Turner as their RB 4 if they wanted to take all RB's but I think if you're taking Turner, ideally you need him as a RB2, and if he can't perform that highly, then you shouldn't burn a 4th round pick on him.

At the risk of hijacking the thread...my league starts 2 RB's so Turner is a luxury and not an every week starter.I think Turner can play at the level of a good RB2, I was just lucky enough to get him as a 3rd and saw that as a great value. I'm one of the ones who think Turner was great talent trapped behind a far greater talent. I have him about 15th at RB.

I guess all I'm saying is I think it may be a mistake to draft luxury in the 4th round. Me personally, if I was as high on Turner as you, I would have drafted 2 receivers thru 4 rounds.Even though your RB corps is better with having 3 RB's in the first 4 rounds, I doubt your overall starting lineup is as strong since one of your top 4 picks is gauranteed to be sitting the bench each week

Not to keep bringing up my team...but I ended up with a starting lineup of:QB: McNabb(7th round)RB: Addai(1st round)RB: Maroney(3rd round)WR: Wayne(2nd round)WR: Marshall(5th round)TE: Heap(8th round)with solid backupsQB: Young(9th round)RB: Turner(4th round)RB: P. Thomas(10th round)WR: Bowe(6th round)WR: Mark Clayton(11th round)TE: Watson(12th round)All that was with the 5th pick in a 10 team league. Also while Turner is my 3rd RB, I can see instances where I'll probably start him over Maroney.You may be right about that strategy of taking a non-starter in the 1st 4 rounds being a bad idea and it wasn't something I planned on doing, but Turner fell to where I thought the value was too good to pass up, and there will still quality WR's left on the board after round 4. Maybe in a PPR league that wouldn't be the case but in a standard I think there will be plenty of value in and after round 4.

 

[Christo]

I got Michael Turner at the 4.06 pick as a RB3 and couldn't be happier about it. What's wrong with a starting back who will see a high workload in most games in the 4th round?

My question is do you start 3 Rb's in your league? I mean someone could draft Turner as their RB 4 if they wanted to take all RB's but I think if you're taking Turner, ideally you need him as a RB2, and if he can't perform that highly, then you shouldn't burn a 4th round pick on him.

At the risk of hijacking the thread...my league starts 2 RB's so Turner is a luxury and not an every week starter.I think Turner can play at the level of a good RB2, I was just lucky enough to get him as a 3rd and saw that as a great value. I'm one of the ones who think Turner was great talent trapped behind a far greater talent. I have him about 15th at RB.

I guess all I'm saying is I think it may be a mistake to draft luxury in the 4th round. Me personally, if I was as high on Turner as you, I would have drafted 2 receivers thru 4 rounds.Even though your RB corps is better with having 3 RB's in the first 4 rounds, I doubt your overall starting lineup is as strong since one of your top 4 picks is gauranteed to be sitting the bench each week

I drafted a luxury in the fourth round last year in two redrafts. His name was AD. I won two championships because of it. There's too much depth at WR to pass on starting RBs in the 4-6 rounds.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I got Michael Turner at the 4.06 pick as a RB3 and couldn't be happier about it. What's wrong with a starting back who will see a high workload in most games in the 4th round?

My question is do you start 3 Rb's in your league? I mean someone could draft Turner as their RB 4 if they wanted to take all RB's but I think if you're taking Turner, ideally you need him as a RB2, and if he can't perform that highly, then you shouldn't burn a 4th round pick on him.

At the risk of hijacking the thread...my league starts 2 RB's so Turner is a luxury and not an every week starter.I think Turner can play at the level of a good RB2, I was just lucky enough to get him as a 3rd and saw that as a great value. I'm one of the ones who think Turner was great talent trapped behind a far greater talent. I have him about 15th at RB.

I guess all I'm saying is I think it may be a mistake to draft luxury in the 4th round. Me personally, if I was as high on Turner as you, I would have drafted 2 receivers thru 4 rounds.Even though your RB corps is better with having 3 RB's in the first 4 rounds, I doubt your overall starting lineup is as strong since one of your top 4 picks is gauranteed to be sitting the bench each week

I drafted a luxury in the fourth round last year in two redrafts. His name was AD. I won two championships because of it. There's too much depth at WR to pass on starting RBs in the 4-6 rounds.

I guess you're missing my point.....you didn't have to. You could have just drafted Peterson in the 4th round thinking he was your RB 2 but obviously he was a monster. Whoever was your RB 3 could have been your WR2 etc....Also, there's always the exception of the rule, you drafting the ROY in the 4th round is a good story but that's not the norm......or he wouldn't have gone in the 4th round in the first place. I think he went in the 3rd round BTW in many of the leagues I was in, drafting closer to the end of the season.Gratz on your championships though, sounds like you had a good team.

 

[Gr00vus]

i was just thinking how i absolutely love the 4th round value, but hate the 3rd round this year.

I feel exactly the same.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I got Michael Turner at the 4.06 pick as a RB3 and couldn't be happier about it. What's wrong with a starting back who will see a high workload in most games in the 4th round?

My question is do you start 3 Rb's in your league? I mean someone could draft Turner as their RB 4 if they wanted to take all RB's but I think if you're taking Turner, ideally you need him as a RB2, and if he can't perform that highly, then you shouldn't burn a 4th round pick on him.

At the risk of hijacking the thread...my league starts 2 RB's so Turner is a luxury and not an every week starter.I think Turner can play at the level of a good RB2, I was just lucky enough to get him as a 3rd and saw that as a great value. I'm one of the ones who think Turner was great talent trapped behind a far greater talent. I have him about 15th at RB.

I guess all I'm saying is I think it may be a mistake to draft luxury in the 4th round. Me personally, if I was as high on Turner as you, I would have drafted 2 receivers thru 4 rounds.Even though your RB corps is better with having 3 RB's in the first 4 rounds, I doubt your overall starting lineup is as strong since one of your top 4 picks is gauranteed to be sitting the bench each week

Not to keep bringing up my team...but I ended up with a starting lineup of:QB: McNabb(7th round)RB: Addai(1st round)RB: Maroney(3rd round)WR: Wayne(2nd round)WR: Marshall(5th round)TE: Heap(8th round)with solid backupsQB: Young(9th round)RB: Turner(4th round)RB: P. Thomas(10th round)WR: Bowe(6th round)WR: Mark Clayton(11th round)TE: Watson(12th round)All that was with the 5th pick in a 10 team league. Also while Turner is my 3rd RB, I can see instances where I'll probably start him over Maroney.You may be right about that strategy of taking a non-starter in the 1st 4 rounds being a bad idea and it wasn't something I planned on doing, but Turner fell to where I thought the value was too good to pass up, and there will still quality WR's left on the board after round 4. Maybe in a PPR league that wouldn't be the case but in a standard I think there will be plenty of value in and after round 4.

Good team, you'll be competitive. I guess my question would be what WR's were available with the Maroney pick, that's all and even if there were some guys I like more there, doesn't mean I'm right, it's just the way I would have gone. I think getting Marshall in the 5th was very good so hopefully Bowe steps up for you early on.

 

[FFdork]

I guess I don't understand the OP. Why are you locked into those players? If you don't like the players that are going at that ADP, find who you do like and take them.

I'm not in a PPR league this year, but in general I love Jones in the 4th round if you go RB, WR, WR.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Just pulled Calvin Johnson and Michael Turner at the 4/5 turn in a 12 team, PPR, 2RB/3WR Phenoms, and couldnt be happier. The late 2nd to mid 3rd seems to be the valueless chunck of draft in similar formats.

 

[GDogg]

I would be perfectly happy taking Thomas Jones at 4.06. The Jets have made some improvements during the offseason. I do have some concerns with brining in Bill Callahan from Nebraska as the O-Line coach as NFL plays much faster pace than college; however, Nebraska has always been a running team, so I imagine that Callahan will be bringing in some new types of looks for improving the run. This is a good thing for Jones.In addition, the signing of Faneca was huge, along with Woody. I think both of these players will improve a poor O-Line from last year. Finally Richardson is a solid blocking fullback. This is going to help Jones out as well. I'm not saying that Jones is going to be the best rb out there, but what I am saying is that with an improved O-Line, the fact that he is a featured back, the fact that he now has a real fullback, the fact that Favre will improve the passing game and thereby opening the run game a bit, all point to SOLID value in the 4th round.Needless to say, I imagine I will be having Jones on every one of my teams this year, especially as I am hoping to snag him in the 4th or 5th round. I believe his stats of 1000/6 or so could be potentially on the low side.. I like him closer to 1200/8 or so. Can he crack the top 15? If he stays healthy, I would not be surprised to see him there.

Bill Callahan was the head coach of the Oakland Raiders prior to his stint at Nebraska. Most people blame him for what Nebraska has become. He tried to turn a program whose identity was the run into a Big XII team running the West Coast Offense. It didn't work out too well. That being said, considering his very strong ties to the NFL, I don't think the "transition" from college to the NFL will be too difficult for him.

 

[travdogg]

Good team, you'll be competitive. I guess my question would be what WR's were available with the Maroney pick, that's all and even if there were some guys I like more there, doesn't mean I'm right, it's just the way I would have gone. I think getting Marshall in the 5th was very good so hopefully Bowe steps up for you early on.

The Maroney pick was the 25th pick, at that time the only WR's off the board were: MossOwensWayneColstonEdwardsA.Johnson(who went 2 picks before me and would have been my pick)So Smith, both Cardinals guys and both Bengals guys were still on the board. If I'd have known a guy I like as much as Turner would be there in round 4, I may have taken Fitzgerald there, but I'm pretty thrilled with what I've got. It seemed to me that all the talk was that RB's would fall and WR's would go higher, but when the draft actually started it was pretty much the same as its always been, perhaps old habits die hard?

 

[greggorymac]

Based on current ADP's in a PPR league.... 12 team league

This round just reeks.... over-valued, aging RB's, injured Wr's, a QB & 3 freaken TE's ...

I draft from the 6 hole in one of my big $$$ drafts and this round stinks !!!

Turner ~ I won't be that guy, see LaMont Jordan a couple yrs back, big bust once he became starter
Boldin ~ oft-injured extremely talented WR...Leinhart is big question mark, I'd love him at pick 43
Palmer ~ too early for a QB IMO....great talent but think you can find similar numbers a few rounds later (ie. Cutler)
Edge ~ jiminy crickets...this guys legs ay falled off by week 4, HIghtower in the waiting
Witten ~ I can't draft a TE this high, many will but Witten had a career yr last yr IMO, won't come close to duplicating those numbers
FWP ~ 2 measly TD's last year and now Mendenhall
Greg Jennings ~ loss of Favre leaves this as a big ?
Thomas Jones ~ are you f0cken kidding me, this guy stinks, never hit DD TD's, 8 TD's L30 starts
Roy Williams ~ extreme talent when healthy, would be happy to land Roy and a Martz less offense
KWII ~ awesome talent, if I were ever to grab a TE this early it would be KWII, better than Witten but still high for a TE
Gates ~ we've seen his best, PASSSSSSSSSs
Big BEn ~ Stillers will throw less, back to smash mouth ball...way too high for Big Ben...more like a late 5th, early 6th pick

I think you're right about the drafting of QB's and TE in terms of waiting, although Kw2 is not better than Witten, but whatever.I think you're a little off on your Rb's in this round. I think Turner will do decent and so will T. Jones. Jennings is a little bit of a question mark but could easily outperform Roy Williams and Boldin.

I disagree on your assessment of the QBs. I think there's a sizable dropoff in consistency after Palmer/Big Ben are off the board. I don't think Cutler will come close to their numbers. This year I am making sure I get one of the top 6 QBs (I am not including Anderson in this list). This is also the year I will be waiting for TE. I'd rather have Clark/Cooley in the 6th.

 

[Northbound Train]

Based on current ADP's in a PPR league.... 12 team league

This round just reeks.... over-valued, aging RB's, injured Wr's, a QB & 3 freaken TE's ...

I draft from the 6 hole in one of my big $$$ drafts and this round stinks !!!

Turner ~ I won't be that guy, see LaMont Jordan a couple yrs back, big bust once he became starter

Yeah, those 1588 yards and 11 TDs his first year in Oakland really were pretty pathetic.

Listen fatty... maybe try providing some insight into the round rather than looking for the first thing you can find to provide useless drivelOK, my bad, so he had one freaken good year, way back in 05, forgot all about that since he got ran out of Oaktown by future HOF'ers Fargas, Dom Rhodes, Bush, Crockett etc, etc

He finished at #7 in my league. Not knowing that Jordan had an excellent season under Norv Turner and throwing insults at people doesn't do a whole lot for you credibility. Jordan was better in 2006 than Fargas in YPC but had fewer touches. The Shell led Raiders were one of the worst teams ever. They were shut out 3 times and scored 10 or fewer points 8 times. Not one on the Raiders was worth anything that year, including Randy Moss. The Raiders drafted Darren McFadden so they got rid of several people after the 2007 season.

Rhodes and Jordan left the Raiders after 2007. Bush was on IR all of 2007. Crockett went to Tampa after the 2006 season and he's a full back. So Jordan was not run out of town by the people you listed. He became expendable with the drafting of McFadden.

So your first point of not drafting Turner because Jordan was a "big bust" really starts your post off on the wrong foot. Basing the success or failure of a player based on one data point is probably not the most accurate. Then, your single data point is wrong.

Now I do agree with Turner being a bit risky but not because of Jordan's lack of success in Oakland after Norv Turner left. Mike Mularkey is the offensive coordinator of the Falcons. Mularkey was the OC for Pittsburgh from 2001-2003 and Miami in 2006. Mularkey tends to go with a RBBC and has never had a top 20 running back while he was the OC (it could be because Bettis was at the tail end of his career but he shared time with several backs during Mularkey's three years). Ronnie Brown was 25th in my league in 2006 and that is the best any back has done under Mularkey from what I can dig up.

Back after being suspended for what I guess was calling somebody a fatty... Anyhow...my point was more along the lines of that I personally don't get too excited with career backups that look good when used sparingly and then suddenly land a huge contract to be a starting RB... sure Jordan had one good season but you can honestly argue that the contract he landed and his high ADP after one decent season cost the Raiders and draftees big time the following season when he was and still is a bust....

We haven't seen much of Turner and I can't be the guy that gambles on an unknown with such a high pick....can he handle the rigors of 20+ carries each game and the wear and tear of a starting gig

Hope that clears that up...

For all the sensitive guys here :grouphug:

 

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Based on current ADP's in a PPR league.... 12 team league

This round just reeks.... over-valued, aging RB's, injured Wr's, a QB & 3 freaken TE's ...

I draft from the 6 hole in one of my big $$$ drafts and this round stinks !!!

Turner ~ I won't be that guy, see LaMont Jordan a couple yrs back, big bust once he became starter

Yeah, those 1588 yards and 11 TDs his first year in Oakland really were pretty pathetic.

Listen fatty... maybe try providing some insight into the round rather than looking for the first thing you can find to provide useless drivelOK, my bad, so he had one freaken good year, way back in 05, forgot all about that since he got ran out of Oaktown by future HOF'ers Fargas, Dom Rhodes, Bush, Crockett etc, etc

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He finished at #7 in my league. Not knowing that Jordan had an excellent season under Norv Turner and throwing insults at people doesn't do a whole lot for you credibility. Jordan was better in 2006 than Fargas in YPC but had fewer touches. The Shell led Raiders were one of the worst teams ever. They were shut out 3 times and scored 10 or fewer points 8 times. Not one on the Raiders was worth anything that year, including Randy Moss. The Raiders drafted Darren McFadden so they got rid of several people after the 2007 season.

Rhodes and Jordan left the Raiders after 2007. Bush was on IR all of 2007. Crockett went to Tampa after the 2006 season and he's a full back. So Jordan was not run out of town by the people you listed. He became expendable with the drafting of McFadden.

So your first point of not drafting Turner because Jordan was a "big bust" really starts your post off on the wrong foot. Basing the success or failure of a player based on one data point is probably not the most accurate. Then, your single data point is wrong.

Now I do agree with Turner being a bit risky but not because of Jordan's lack of success in Oakland after Norv Turner left. Mike Mularkey is the offensive coordinator of the Falcons. Mularkey was the OC for Pittsburgh from 2001-2003 and Miami in 2006. Mularkey tends to go with a RBBC and has never had a top 20 running back while he was the OC (it could be because Bettis was at the tail end of his career but he shared time with several backs during Mularkey's three years). Ronnie Brown was 25th in my league in 2006 and that is the best any back has done under Mularkey from what I can dig up.

Back after being suspended for what I guess was calling somebody a fatty... Anyhow...my point was more along the lines of that I personally don't get too excited with career backups that look good when used sparingly and then suddenly land a huge contract to be a starting RB... sure Jordan had one good season but you can honestly argue that the contract he landed and his high ADP after one decent season cost the Raiders and draftees big time the following season when he was and still is a bust....

We haven't seen much of Turner and I can't be the guy that gambles on an unknown with such a high pick....can he handle the rigors of 20+ carries each game and the wear and tear of a starting gig

Hope that clears that up...

For all the sensitive guys here :grouphug:

Which RBs with an ADP after Turner do you like better?

 

[Gr00vus]

I personally don't get too excited with career backups that look good when used sparingly and then suddenly land a huge contract to be a starting RB

Ahman Green was a backup until he got a starting gig in GB. Shaun Alexander was a backup until he got the starting job in Seattle. Jamal Lewis kicked Priest Holmes to the curb in BAL - and then Larry Johnson took over for Priest Holmes in KC.I'd be wary of sticking to blanket statements like you've made above - it can cost you.Michael Turner will be a solid low end RB2 this year, with RB1 potential if that offense can do anything beyond what he offers.

 

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i was just thinking how i absolutely love the 4th round value, but hate the 3rd round this year.

I feel exactly the same.

Yep. I've taken Brees in the 3rd in many mocks, because I just didn't like the value at other positions. Heck, I took Brady in the 3rd last year in one league...

 

[Gr00vus]

i was just thinking how i absolutely love the 4th round value, but hate the 3rd round this year.

I feel exactly the same.

Yep. I've taken Brees in the 3rd in many mocks, because I just didn't like the value at other positions. Heck, I took Brady in the 3rd last year in one league...

Yech - I'm not taking a QB until round 7 at the earliest, probably not until 10 or 11 (unless I run into a ridiculous bargain along the way). But I can't blame you for going the way you did. Take a look at this current round 3 ADP:Jamal LewisDrew BreesChad JohnsonSteve SmithReggie BushBrandon JacobsPlaxico BurressTorry HoltLaurence MaroneyCarson PalmerWes WelkerEarnest GrahamI'd be very, very happy to get Smith or Johnson in that round, but that's it. That's what I don't like about that round, you're holding your nose and drafting. I'll probably end up "promoting" guys I like in the 4th to land somewhere in the 3rd via projections or hopefully trading out if it doesn't look like I can grab someone I like.