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*** The 8-8 San Francisco 49ers - Let's forget 2014 thread *** (1 Viewer)
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mlbnfl
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Hope this kind of post isn't frowned upon or clutters the thread at all but I figured who better to ask than 49ers fans. I'm a Hyde owner in an auction keeper, and while I know it's far too early to say with any certainty I'm curious as to what people think the chances are the Gore isn't a 49er next year? He certainly still looks productive so far and is "only" 31, just wondering if I should feel I have a starting RB on my hands for next year in Hyde. Maybe there are cap numbers or some other nugget I'm not aware of so just thought I'd ask. Good luck the rest of the season.
chinawildman
Footballguy
After week one I would've said not good. Right now I would say they'll give him a short term extension where they can cut ties after a season. But give another 6 weeks and things could be totally different.
The problem with Gore's age isn't that he can't bring it in games, he just can't seem to sustain it for an entire season. Seems like the past several years have followed the same pattern. He starts off really slow, then plays very well by midseason, and eventually tailing off towards the end.
I like Hyde, but seems like every time he gets the ball he just wants to run through everybody. The kid's got moves, needs to learn when to use them.
chinawildman
Footballguy
My thoughts on this week's game....
Another ugly win, but I'm strangely comforted by it. Maybe due to no delay of games or wasted timeouts... or maybe due to the fact that the proposition of losing to Smith would've been utterly demoralizing. But in the end Alex is who we thought he was... a game manager. That is no slight either because there are times I watch Kaepernick and wish he could simply just manage the game, make short accurate throws and not get sacked. McDonald played admirably blocking in VD's place, but he is sorely missed on offense, especially in the redzone and for stretching the field.
It should be obvious to the coaching staff now that the O line is MUCH better at run blocking than pass blocking. In addition all Kaepernick rollout passes need to be scrapped. Play calling needs to bring back the read option fake on passes. Even when it looks terribly fake it seems to freeze the defensive ends/OLBs from flying up the field and it actually looks to put Kaep in more rhythm as a passer as well.
Another ugly win, but I'm strangely comforted by it. Maybe due to no delay of games or wasted timeouts... or maybe due to the fact that the proposition of losing to Smith would've been utterly demoralizing. But in the end Alex is who we thought he was... a game manager. That is no slight either because there are times I watch Kaepernick and wish he could simply just manage the game, make short accurate throws and not get sacked. McDonald played admirably blocking in VD's place, but he is sorely missed on offense, especially in the redzone and for stretching the field.
It should be obvious to the coaching staff now that the O line is MUCH better at run blocking than pass blocking. In addition all Kaepernick rollout passes need to be scrapped. Play calling needs to bring back the read option fake on passes. Even when it looks terribly fake it seems to freeze the defensive ends/OLBs from flying up the field and it actually looks to put Kaep in more rhythm as a passer as well.
I thought it was a good win too. A couple weeks ago I posted that I was dismayed by this year's 1-2 start because the losses were to teams that were worse than the teams that beat them in weeks 2-3 last year. I think that's still true, BUT through week 5 the 3 wins the Niners have this year are better than those of last year (packers Texans rams v. Cowboys Eagles Chiefs). It's not like the team is fattening up on patsies this year.
I think they have a good shot at 12 wins, but as long as they have to go to Seattle in the playoffs again, I'm not getting my hopes up.
By the way it's being under reported how bad Brooks has looked this year after being underrated for so long. Yikes.
I think they have a good shot at 12 wins, but as long as they have to go to Seattle in the playoffs again, I'm not getting my hopes up.
By the way it's being under reported how bad Brooks has looked this year after being underrated for so long. Yikes.
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chinawildman
Footballguy
It's also important to note that the 2 losses this year were very winnable games (especially Bears @ home) whereas the 2 losses last year were just plain ugly. To paraphrase... it is better to have led then lost, than to have never led at all.
Wingnut
Footballguy
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000407203/article/vic-fangio-navorro-bowman-return-later-than-sooner
Vic Fangio: NaVorro Bowman return 'later than sooner'
NaVorro Bowman is eligible to come off San Francisco's reserve/physically unable to perform list after Week 6, but 49ers defensive coordinator Vic Fangio confirmed Tuesday that the All-Pro linebacker's return from reconstructive knee surgery will come "later than sooner."
"NaVorro's doing well in his rehab," Fangio told KNBR-AM, per NinersNation.com. "He still has to be out two more games at least, and he'll be out several after that. But he's doing well. He's had no road blocks in his rehab. Everything's gone smooth, he's ahead of where he should be, and we're looking forward to his return at some point."
Bowman began sprinting last month, but Fangio acknowledged that it's a mistake to assume the Pro Bowl selection will suit up "around the corner."
"Correct. His procedure was done in February," Fangio said. "It's not like he got hurt in the middle of the season last year. His rehab has gone great, but you still need enough time to rehab and recover. And he's going to need a couple weeks of practice, too, to get his legs under him and to feel comfortable playing on his leg."
Bowman needs to be viewed as a candidate for snaps sometime after Week 9. That still leaves the talented linebacker plenty of time to make an impact during a late stretch of games that includes the Saints (Week 10), Seahawks (Week 13 and Week 15), Chargers (Week 16) and Cardinals (Week 17).
With Michael Wilhoite doing a capable job in Bowman's place and the suspended Aldon Smith eligible to return in Week 11, San Francisco's defense is a candidate to reach full power just in time for winter
Vic Fangio: NaVorro Bowman return 'later than sooner'
NaVorro Bowman is eligible to come off San Francisco's reserve/physically unable to perform list after Week 6, but 49ers defensive coordinator Vic Fangio confirmed Tuesday that the All-Pro linebacker's return from reconstructive knee surgery will come "later than sooner."
"NaVorro's doing well in his rehab," Fangio told KNBR-AM, per NinersNation.com. "He still has to be out two more games at least, and he'll be out several after that. But he's doing well. He's had no road blocks in his rehab. Everything's gone smooth, he's ahead of where he should be, and we're looking forward to his return at some point."
Bowman began sprinting last month, but Fangio acknowledged that it's a mistake to assume the Pro Bowl selection will suit up "around the corner."
"Correct. His procedure was done in February," Fangio said. "It's not like he got hurt in the middle of the season last year. His rehab has gone great, but you still need enough time to rehab and recover. And he's going to need a couple weeks of practice, too, to get his legs under him and to feel comfortable playing on his leg."
Bowman needs to be viewed as a candidate for snaps sometime after Week 9. That still leaves the talented linebacker plenty of time to make an impact during a late stretch of games that includes the Saints (Week 10), Seahawks (Week 13 and Week 15), Chargers (Week 16) and Cardinals (Week 17).
With Michael Wilhoite doing a capable job in Bowman's place and the suspended Aldon Smith eligible to return in Week 11, San Francisco's defense is a candidate to reach full power just in time for winter
drummer
Footballguy
Gore will be back simply because he is used to pancake caveman offenses, and this offense isn't any better than Jimmy Raye's.
drummer
Footballguy
drummer
Footballguy
Funny stat: since 2011, Gore has been targeted on pass plays around half of what he had, outside of his rookie year in 2005:
Targets - receptions
2006: 86 for 61
2007: 69 for 53
2008: 66 for 43
2009: 75 for 52
2010: 72 for 46
This under Norv Turner, Jim Hostler, Mike Martz, Jimmy Raye, and whoever replaced Jimmy Raye.
Under Harball:
31 for 17
36 for 28
27 for 16
5 for 4
WCO -
Targets - receptions
2006: 86 for 61
2007: 69 for 53
2008: 66 for 43
2009: 75 for 52
2010: 72 for 46
This under Norv Turner, Jim Hostler, Mike Martz, Jimmy Raye, and whoever replaced Jimmy Raye.
Under Harball:
31 for 17
36 for 28
27 for 16
5 for 4
WCO -
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Tens of millions of reasons to like it more than he would have in SF I imagine.I wonder how Dashon is liking his life as a Buc?
drummer
Footballguy
Yeah, I'm sure there isn't some hot shot techie outbidding Dashon three times over for a house in Los Gatos that's worth way less in Tampa's market.Tens of millions of reasons to like it more than he would have in SF I imagine.I wonder how Dashon is liking his life as a Buc?
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Wingnut
Footballguy
Some guys like money more than the game or winning I guess.Yeah, I'm sure there isn't some hot shot techie outbidding Dashon three times over for a house in Los Gatos that's worth way less in Tampa's market.Tens of millions of reasons to like it more than he would have in SF I imagine.I wonder how Dashon is liking his life as a Buc?
I'm not sure SF was that interested in bringing him back at all. I think they knew they could bring in someone else and not miss much of a beat.Some guys like money more than the game or winning I guess.Yeah, I'm sure there isn't some hot shot techie outbidding Dashon three times over for a house in Los Gatos that's worth way less in Tampa's market.Tens of millions of reasons to like it more than he would have in SF I imagine.I wonder how Dashon is liking his life as a Buc?
drummer
Footballguy
Well.....
SOSARS!
Doctor Detroit pointed out in the game thread that by every metric the Rams are a one win team, and it showed up tonight. They have only one sack recorded in 5 games, and the one chance they had against Big Kaep turned out to be a horse collar.
Notes: Kaep is getting the ball out quicker, at least this game, yet that was the quietest I have ever heard the Ed Jones Dome. Maybe they haven't upgraded the PA since the days of piping in crowd noise during the GSOT era, I dunno. Still, the WR's ran crisper routes, the pre-snap cadence wasn't as slow Droopy's delivery of "Hello all you happy Wingnuts", and hello vertical offense!
They actually threw a ball to Gore! He was OOB, but still!
Fangio was dialing up blitzes more than Gregg Williams!
Sorry that I'm not Vincent Frank:
http://bleacherreport.com/users/622594-vincent-frank
But you can always offer to buy him another beer, and chat over Shaun Hill's passer rating!
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1723349-how-les-snead-built-a-contender-out-of-the-st-louis-rams
SOSARS!
Doctor Detroit pointed out in the game thread that by every metric the Rams are a one win team, and it showed up tonight. They have only one sack recorded in 5 games, and the one chance they had against Big Kaep turned out to be a horse collar.
Notes: Kaep is getting the ball out quicker, at least this game, yet that was the quietest I have ever heard the Ed Jones Dome. Maybe they haven't upgraded the PA since the days of piping in crowd noise during the GSOT era, I dunno. Still, the WR's ran crisper routes, the pre-snap cadence wasn't as slow Droopy's delivery of "Hello all you happy Wingnuts", and hello vertical offense!
They actually threw a ball to Gore! He was OOB, but still!
Fangio was dialing up blitzes more than Gregg Williams!
Sorry that I'm not Vincent Frank:
http://bleacherreport.com/users/622594-vincent-frank
But you can always offer to buy him another beer, and chat over Shaun Hill's passer rating!
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1723349-how-les-snead-built-a-contender-out-of-the-st-louis-rams
drummer
Footballguy
BTW, I dunno how Gruden can say the 49ers have all kinds of RB depth when it's:
Gore, Gore, Gore, Gore, Hyde, Hyde, Gore, Gore, Gore, Gore, Hyde, Gore, etc. Jeebus, it might as well be 2006 all over again. When Nolan ran the organization.
I see eFactor lurking. Must be slow over at 'Holics. I can see why
Gore, Gore, Gore, Gore, Hyde, Hyde, Gore, Gore, Gore, Gore, Hyde, Gore, etc. Jeebus, it might as well be 2006 all over again. When Nolan ran the organization.
I see eFactor lurking. Must be slow over at 'Holics. I can see why
drummer
Footballguy
What is gonna drive this thread? Collective "We are teh bestest team in the NFLzz!!" style hyperbole, after the team beating a hapless one win team (while looking as equally hapless most of the first half), or some real gut checks at the line? What I've been consistent with in all these 49er threads is my opinion, no doubt. But I have the guts and wherewithal to post it. I don't care what any other fans of any other team thinks, and especially do not care what fans of the 49ers think.No shocker you threw my name in there. You thrive on drama, even if its with fellow 49er fans.
At least you're consistent, buddy. Keep on keepin on.
Eta:
If you want to feel good about a win, great, don't read my posts. This wasn't a case of "good teams find a way to win against bad teams". The Rams are a one win team, so it's more "a bad team is going to lose against a better team that isn't as bad, regardless of division or location". It's not like the 49ers are consistent either. They certainly aren't when it comes to offense, and despite they being able to put some offense against a team with only one sack recorded in 5 games, while being behind in the first half, and even then leaving a door open for they to even the score, shows that this team isn't in the best in the NFC.
A division win is a division win, regardless. Kaep hit a multitude of targets in the passing offense. Yet as most would think that the WR's have a lot of skill at the position, they are still a host of career possession WR's, and again, against a team with only one sack in 5 games, the 49ers going forward would still need a dominant WR outside of Davis when they face more formidable defenses. It's not like the passing offense has been on a tear lately.
What they have is Fangio, Kaepernick, and Gore. You have one of those have an off game, and chances are they can lose that game. Carlos Hyde doesn't change anything. Kaepernick can be Jeckyl and Hyde easy behind center. They still are one of the most penalized teams in the league, which leads to more losses than wins, and is an indicator of inconsistency and discipline.
Add the drama of a FO vs. a Head Coach that has brought more wins than they had since 2004 to when he was hired, a CEO who has less experience in the NFL as Eddie D's nephew than Eddie's own daughters (who had jobs in his Organization) already showing Harbaugh the door, a GM who probably will be another Carmen Policy..
Yeah, do you remember Terry Donahue?
Alonzo Mosely
Footballguy
Only took you 3+ years to figure that out?Funny stat: since 2011, Gore has been targeted on pass plays around half of what he had, outside of his rookie year in 2005:
Targets - receptions
2006: 86 for 61
2007: 69 for 53
2008: 66 for 43
2009: 75 for 52
2010: 72 for 46
This under Norv Turner, Jim Hostler, Mike Martz, Jimmy Raye, and whoever replaced Jimmy Raye.
Under Harball:
31 for 17
36 for 28
27 for 16
5 for 4
WCO -
Alonzo Mosely
Footballguy
drummer
Footballguy
Stats work better when there are compiled over timeOnly took you 3+ years to figure that out?Funny stat: since 2011, Gore has been targeted on pass plays around half of what he had, outside of his rookie year in 2005:
Targets - receptions
2006: 86 for 61
2007: 69 for 53
2008: 66 for 43
2009: 75 for 52
2010: 72 for 46
This under Norv Turner, Jim Hostler, Mike Martz, Jimmy Raye, and whoever replaced Jimmy Raye.
Under Harball:
31 for 17
36 for 28
27 for 16
5 for 4
WCO -
drummer
Footballguy
drummer
Footballguy
I mean look, it's the Rams, and any win over them is a good thing. I just think they are taking steps backwards from last season, and the penalties and shoddy play at times just looks too haphazard to think SB contender.
The one thing I do like is Kaep's play. He's getting the rock out faster, and despite the WRs being somewhat of a collection of possession types, it's a great "hands" WR corp. Crabs, Lloyd, Johnson, Boldin can make some spectacular grabs, but still IMO the biggest deep threat is still Kaep, outside of Davis when healthy.
chinawildman
Footballguy
I like Borland from what I've seen so far. Reminds me of a smaller Luke Kuechly with very good instincts, but without the measurables. He'll be severely outmatched trying to cover Julius Thomas though. I wouldn't be surprised to see Fangio move some guys around to matchup against the Broncos receiving corp. Ideally I'd like to see Cox on Sanders, Culliver on D. Thomas, Dontae Johnson on J. Thomas, and Ward (if healthy) on Welker. Brock needs to get well in a hurry...
I think we saw in the preseason Borland likes to lean on those instincts too much. I think Peyton takes advantage of him from the first snap.
drummer
Footballguy
drummer
Footballguy
drummer
Footballguy
This is just RN repellent:
http://www.sfgate.com/raiders/article/Loss-to-Arizona-gives-Raiders-worst-start-in-52-5833583.php
http://www.sfgate.com/raiders/article/Loss-to-Arizona-gives-Raiders-worst-start-in-52-5833583.php
Neofight
Footballguy
Yeah, your 9ers played a decent game week 1.
drummer
Footballguy
Neofight
Footballguy
A tantrum? Is there fernet in that?
drummer
Footballguy
Talk about getting picked on:
I dunno how many plays Bethea had coming his way, but Manning seemed to know going his way and working him would be to his advantage as the game progressed. This is Bethea's 9th season in the league, and the 49ers secondary woes continue. Add the loss of Bam-Bam in the LB corp, the lack of depth due to injury and just plain arrogance in drafts and even FA...
42 points given up with only one TO. Take that TO away, and it could be still 35 points given up.
That's not just a regression to injury. This is an overall breakdown of FO moves.
I dunno how many plays Bethea had coming his way, but Manning seemed to know going his way and working him would be to his advantage as the game progressed. This is Bethea's 9th season in the league, and the 49ers secondary woes continue. Add the loss of Bam-Bam in the LB corp, the lack of depth due to injury and just plain arrogance in drafts and even FA...
42 points given up with only one TO. Take that TO away, and it could be still 35 points given up.
That's not just a regression to injury. This is an overall breakdown of FO moves.
drummer
Footballguy
Neofight
Footballguy
drummer
Footballguy
Yeah, I see you and the Raiderfan going at it all the time :hawkfanforgetstheywereintheafcw:
Neofight
Footballguy
Let's revisit this after the pall.
