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"The Bachelor" on ABC (3 Viewers)

Which is more likely to happen first with the TV show The Bachelor?

  • Show gets canceled

    Votes: 69 63.9%
  • producers cast a black man as The Bachelor

    Votes: 39 36.1%

  • Total voters
    108
My advice to you...is get this thing right

Thanks there Harrison
Has to be in the top 5 of biggest tools in TV history.Ladies. Sean. This is the final rose tonight. I'll be over here in the hall while you stand there for the agreed 90-second dramatic pause.

 
My advice to you...is get this thing right

Thanks there Harrison
Has to be in the top 5 of biggest tools in TV history.Ladies. Sean. This is the final rose tonight. I'll be over here in the hall while you stand there for the agreed 90-second dramatic pause.
Whenever he says this it reminds me of Leslie Nielson in Airplane when he sticks his head in the cockpit when they are about to land and says basically "We're all counting on you". He goes on to say the same thing during and then after they land. Same deadpan voice that Chris Harrison uses.
 
'Da Guru said:
AshLee in a walkover from here in?
Nope.Catherine.
This was revealed long ago.
Catherine's family stopped just short of politely asking him to get the hell off of their property and to never contact Catherine ever again. Remind me why they bother with the family visits? :confused:
So they can pretend to give them a hard time."You're just a playboy."[scenes of Sean doing pushups with various people on top of him]"That's not me at all."
 
'Da Guru said:
AshLee in a walkover from here in?
Nope.Catherine.
This was revealed long ago.
Catherine's family stopped just short of politely asking him to get the hell off of their property and to never contact Catherine ever again. Remind me why they bother with the family visits? :confused:
The brother of Des has been the best part of the whole season. :thumbup:
I despised the dude. I hate guys like that in general, the whole thug image, talking like an idiot, all the tats...I'd like to see him last one night in prison, see how tough he is then. Des should move away and never speak to that jackass again.
 
'Da Guru said:
AshLee in a walkover from here in?
Nope.Catherine.
This was revealed long ago.
Catherine's family stopped just short of politely asking him to get the hell off of their property and to never contact Catherine ever again. Remind me why they bother with the family visits? :confused:
The brother of Des has been the best part of the whole season. :thumbup:
I despised the dude. I hate guys like that in general, the whole thug image, talking like an idiot, all the tats...I'd like to see him last one night in prison, see how tough he is then. Des should move away and never speak to that jackass again.
"Des, I can't let you marry that guy. Every day you will know what a smuck I am compared to him. Therefore, I must sabotage your relationship"I think Des' brother also may have some unnatural attraction issues with his sister. She needs to move as far away from him as possible.
 
'offdee said:
100% chance Dez is next Bachelorette.
That was the strongest promo for The Bachelorette they've ever aired.
Des even said something to the effect of 'What am I going to do now?'Answer: The Bachelorette.
The Bachelorette defies common sense even more than the Bachelor in my opinion. If I'm on that show, I'm looking forward to the travel, having beers and some laughs with a bunch of other guys, and possibly hooking up with a hot girl. The guys who take it really seriously almost always make complete fools of themselves, except for the lucky one who the girl probably picked 10 seconds after he stepped out of the limo. Then there is that one guy who is on the show "for the wrong reasons", who somehow didn't get weeded out in the hours of grueling interviews. We're supposed to really hate that guy. :rolleyes:
 
Dez's brother = Little Hantz from Survivor 1. awful tats - check2. wannabe thug - check3. odd hatred for attractive women - check

 
Catherine looked smoking hot at that rose ceremony last night.That said, if you buy into the hypothesis that chicks end up looking like their moms eventually, you have to roll the dice with AshLee as you haven't got a glimpse of her future, because it looks pretty bleak for these other chicks.

 
My advice to you...is get this thing right

Thanks there Harrison
Has to be in the top 5 of biggest tools in TV history.Ladies. Sean. This is the final rose tonight. I'll be over here in the hall while you stand there for the agreed 90-second dramatic pause.
I routinely annoy my SO, the franchise fan, with commentary each ep on how "hard" Harrison works. My favorite moment from last night was, of course, his "advice." My second favorite was how he actually came in puffing and out of breath when he came to tell Desiree to say her final byes. Hilarious. Don't strain yourself, Chris! :bye:
 
Catherine looked smoking hot at that rose ceremony last night.That said, if you buy into the hypothesis that chicks end up looking like their moms eventually, you have to roll the dice with AshLee as you haven't got a glimpse of her future, because it looks pretty bleak for these other chicks.
:thumbup: I wanted to see Leslie's mom for this reason. But actually Lindsey's mom was cute, just a little plump. She was very sweet. I actually now believe that AshLee has too much drama surrounding her (sadly) and that he should pick Lindsey. I get the wrong vibe from Catherine. However, I think he'll pick Catherine.
 
Catherine looked smoking hot at that rose ceremony last night.

That said, if you buy into the hypothesis that chicks end up looking like their moms eventually, you have to roll the dice with AshLee as you haven't got a glimpse of her future, because it looks pretty bleak for these other chicks.
:thumbup: I wanted to see Leslie's mom for this reason. But actually Lindsey's mom was cute, just a little plump. She was very sweet. I actually now believe that AshLee has too much drama surrounding her (sadly) and that he should pick Lindsey. I get the wrong vibe from Catherine. However, I think he'll pick Catherine.
I don't get the Lindsey attraction at this point. I'd like to think there's tons of off camera stuff that add up to her still being around this late in the game, because nothing from the show we've seen explains it.
 
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Catherine looked smoking hot at that rose ceremony last night.

That said, if you buy into the hypothesis that chicks end up looking like their moms eventually, you have to roll the dice with AshLee as you haven't got a glimpse of her future, because it looks pretty bleak for these other chicks.
:thumbup: I wanted to see Leslie's mom for this reason. But actually Lindsey's mom was cute, just a little plump. She was very sweet. I actually now believe that AshLee has too much drama surrounding her (sadly) and that he should pick Lindsey. I get the wrong vibe from Catherine. However, I think he'll pick Catherine.
I don't get the Lindsey attraction at this point. I'd like to think there's tons of off camera stuff that add up to her still being around this late in the game, because nothing from the show we've seen explains it.
I agree. Did you see the little ice cream vignette while the credits rolled? I think there's a powerful attraction there and they seem to have plenty of fun together. :shrug: Plus, Maj. Gen. Dad gets major general points from me for being a completely normal guy, unlike Desiree's toolbag bro and Catherine's weird sisters.
 
'Da Guru said:
AshLee in a walkover from here in?
Nope.Catherine.
This was revealed long ago.
Catherine's family stopped just short of politely asking him to get the hell off of their property and to never contact Catherine ever again. Remind me why they bother with the family visits? :confused:
The brother of Des has been the best part of the whole season. :thumbup:
I despised the dude. I hate guys like that in general, the whole thug image, talking like an idiot, all the tats...I'd like to see him last one night in prison, see how tough he is then. Des should move away and never speak to that jackass again.
"Des, I can't let you marry that guy. Every day you will know what a smuck I am compared to him. Therefore, I must sabotage your relationship"I think Des' brother also may have some unnatural attraction issues with his sister. She needs to move as far away from him as possible.
Dude did come off as a thuggish tool. Probably has a decent arrest record somewhere.But I got to give him props - the only person on the show who is willing to call out the absurdity of this show and its premise. Kudos.ETA - And I still don't get the Catherine love. Not that attractive to me. Still seems to have some partying in her, as in, not ready to settle down with a nice Christian boy quite yet.
 
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Lindsay's pretty damn hot, and cute. What's wrong with you people. She's a bit of an airhead but Sean's from Texas so he's probably not looking for brains anyway. She definitely has that "good in the sack" crazy vibe going and he's probably keeping her around for the episode where he bones the remaining girls.

 
Catherine looked smoking hot at that rose ceremony last night.

That said, if you buy into the hypothesis that chicks end up looking like their moms eventually, you have to roll the dice with AshLee as you haven't got a glimpse of her future, because it looks pretty bleak for these other chicks.
:thumbup: I wanted to see Leslie's mom for this reason. But actually Lindsey's mom was cute, just a little plump. She was very sweet. I actually now believe that AshLee has too much drama surrounding her (sadly) and that he should pick Lindsey. I get the wrong vibe from Catherine. However, I think he'll pick Catherine.
I don't get the Lindsey attraction at this point. I'd like to think there's tons of off camera stuff that add up to her still being around this late in the game, because nothing from the show we've seen explains it.
I think his decision re: Des vs Catherine was 1a and 1b of the final four.
 
Catherine looked smoking hot at that rose ceremony last night.

That said, if you buy into the hypothesis that chicks end up looking like their moms eventually, you have to roll the dice with AshLee as you haven't got a glimpse of her future, because it looks pretty bleak for these other chicks.
:thumbup: I wanted to see Leslie's mom for this reason. But actually Lindsey's mom was cute, just a little plump. She was very sweet. I actually now believe that AshLee has too much drama surrounding her (sadly) and that he should pick Lindsey. I get the wrong vibe from Catherine. However, I think he'll pick Catherine.
I don't get the Lindsey attraction at this point. I'd like to think there's tons of off camera stuff that add up to her still being around this late in the game, because nothing from the show we've seen explains it.
I agree. Did you see the little ice cream vignette while the credits rolled? I think there's a powerful attraction there and they seem to have plenty of fun together. :shrug: Plus, Maj. Gen. Dad gets major general points from me for being a completely normal guy, unlike Desiree's toolbag bro and Catherine's weird sisters.
Also I somewhat exaggerated when I said nothing from what we've seen on the show explains it. Apart from the "taste of chocolate" chick, she seems like she's been the most legitimately DTF girl on the show. She's been open for groping from the start. I suppose that would be appealing to an alleged virgin, or maybe the opposite. I don't know.
 
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Catherine looked smoking hot at that rose ceremony last night.

That said, if you buy into the hypothesis that chicks end up looking like their moms eventually, you have to roll the dice with AshLee as you haven't got a glimpse of her future, because it looks pretty bleak for these other chicks.
:thumbup: I wanted to see Leslie's mom for this reason. But actually Lindsey's mom was cute, just a little plump. She was very sweet. I actually now believe that AshLee has too much drama surrounding her (sadly) and that he should pick Lindsey. I get the wrong vibe from Catherine. However, I think he'll pick Catherine.
I don't get the Lindsey attraction at this point. I'd like to think there's tons of off camera stuff that add up to her still being around this late in the game, because nothing from the show we've seen explains it.
I think his decision re: Des vs Catherine was 1a and 1b of the final four.
I fell off the Des train and bought extra space on the Catherine train after the surprise 4 am wake up call and photo shoot. Des looked like a guy, Catherine was still smoking hot.
 
Catherine looked smoking hot at that rose ceremony last night.

That said, if you buy into the hypothesis that chicks end up looking like their moms eventually, you have to roll the dice with AshLee as you haven't got a glimpse of her future, because it looks pretty bleak for these other chicks.
:thumbup: I wanted to see Leslie's mom for this reason. But actually Lindsey's mom was cute, just a little plump. She was very sweet. I actually now believe that AshLee has too much drama surrounding her (sadly) and that he should pick Lindsey. I get the wrong vibe from Catherine. However, I think he'll pick Catherine.
I don't get the Lindsey attraction at this point. I'd like to think there's tons of off camera stuff that add up to her still being around this late in the game, because nothing from the show we've seen explains it.
I think his decision re: Des vs Catherine was 1a and 1b of the final four.
I fell off the Des train and bought extra space on the Catherine train after the surprise 4 am wake up call and photo shoot. Des looked like a guy, Catherine was still smoking hot.
I recall that too.Love the natural roll out of bed beauty.

 
'Da Guru said:
Catherine looked smoking hot at that rose ceremony last night.

That said, if you buy into the hypothesis that chicks end up looking like their moms eventually, you have to roll the dice with AshLee as you haven't got a glimpse of her future, because it looks pretty bleak for these other chicks.
:thumbup: I wanted to see Leslie's mom for this reason. But actually Lindsey's mom was cute, just a little plump. She was very sweet. I actually now believe that AshLee has too much drama surrounding her (sadly) and that he should pick Lindsey. I get the wrong vibe from Catherine. However, I think he'll pick Catherine.
He did.
Hey, guy, relax on this. Most of us in here are still trying to be on this amazing journey.
 
'Da Guru said:
Catherine looked smoking hot at that rose ceremony last night.

That said, if you buy into the hypothesis that chicks end up looking like their moms eventually, you have to roll the dice with AshLee as you haven't got a glimpse of her future, because it looks pretty bleak for these other chicks.
:thumbup: I wanted to see Leslie's mom for this reason. But actually Lindsey's mom was cute, just a little plump. She was very sweet. I actually now believe that AshLee has too much drama surrounding her (sadly) and that he should pick Lindsey. I get the wrong vibe from Catherine. However, I think he'll pick Catherine.
He did.
Hey, guy, relax on this. Most of us in here are still trying to be on this amazing journey.
I just ignore it. I'm still thinking he goes with AshLee. The only potential road block is her age. Otherwise it seems like there's too much in common to ignore, she's ready to do the whole subservient marriage thing, and she's also smoking hot, even without makeup.
 
Catherine looked smoking hot at that rose ceremony last night.

That said, if you buy into the hypothesis that chicks end up looking like their moms eventually, you have to roll the dice with AshLee as you haven't got a glimpse of her future, because it looks pretty bleak for these other chicks.
:thumbup: I wanted to see Leslie's mom for this reason. But actually Lindsey's mom was cute, just a little plump. She was very sweet. I actually now believe that AshLee has too much drama surrounding her (sadly) and that he should pick Lindsey. I get the wrong vibe from Catherine. However, I think he'll pick Catherine.
I don't get the Lindsey attraction at this point. I'd like to think there's tons of off camera stuff that add up to her still being around this late in the game, because nothing from the show we've seen explains it.
I agree. Did you see the little ice cream vignette while the credits rolled? I think there's a powerful attraction there and they seem to have plenty of fun together. :shrug: Plus, Maj. Gen. Dad gets major general points from me for being a completely normal guy, unlike Desiree's toolbag bro and Catherine's weird sisters.
Also I somewhat exaggerated when I said nothing from what we've seen on the show explains it. Apart from the "taste of chocolate" chick, she seems like she's been the most legitimately DTF girl on the show. She's been open for groping from the start. I suppose that would be appealing to an alleged virgin, or maybe the opposite. I don't know.
technically, he's a "re-virgin". found the Lord after college, where i assume he got it in, and then disavowed all of that sweet action and is waiting for his one true love to give his flower to...or so i've read. my guess his fantasy suite will be much like Emily's: lots of kissing, talking, and respecting each other.

 
I have an in-law that is about to be on the new Bachelorette season. They start filming in the beginning of March and it ends the beginning of May. Supposedly airs this summer. :wheelhouse: :tfp: :unsure:

 
I have an in-law that is about to be on the new Bachelorette season. They start filming in the beginning of March and it ends the beginning of May. Supposedly airs this summer. :wheelhouse: :tfp: :unsure:
Not a trainwreck if Leslie is willing to be on it. I'm going to be bored if it's Desiree, unless her brother gets to (vocally) prison-rape all of the bachelors.
 
'Da Guru said:
Catherine looked smoking hot at that rose ceremony last night.

That said, if you buy into the hypothesis that chicks end up looking like their moms eventually, you have to roll the dice with AshLee as you haven't got a glimpse of her future, because it looks pretty bleak for these other chicks.
:thumbup: I wanted to see Leslie's mom for this reason. But actually Lindsey's mom was cute, just a little plump. She was very sweet. I actually now believe that AshLee has too much drama surrounding her (sadly) and that he should pick Lindsey. I get the wrong vibe from Catherine. However, I think he'll pick Catherine.
He did.
Hey, guy, relax on this. Most of us in here are still trying to be on this amazing journey.
I just ignore it. I'm still thinking he goes with AshLee. The only potential road block is her age. Otherwise it seems like there's too much in common to ignore, she's ready to do the whole subservient marriage thing, and she's also smoking hot, even without makeup.
I tend to think that the fact that she's got more baggage than a 747 headed to a Mary Kay convention is a bigger problem.
 
'Da Guru said:
Catherine looked smoking hot at that rose ceremony last night.

That said, if you buy into the hypothesis that chicks end up looking like their moms eventually, you have to roll the dice with AshLee as you haven't got a glimpse of her future, because it looks pretty bleak for these other chicks.
:thumbup: I wanted to see Leslie's mom for this reason. But actually Lindsey's mom was cute, just a little plump. She was very sweet. I actually now believe that AshLee has too much drama surrounding her (sadly) and that he should pick Lindsey. I get the wrong vibe from Catherine. However, I think he'll pick Catherine.
He did.
Hey, guy, relax on this. Most of us in here are still trying to be on this amazing journey.
Sorry..thought it was already out here.
 
I have an in-law that is about to be on the new Bachelorette season. They start filming in the beginning of March and it ends the beginning of May. Supposedly airs this summer. :wheelhouse: :tfp: :unsure:
Not a trainwreck if Leslie is willing to be on it. I'm going to be bored if it's Desiree, unless her brother gets to (vocally) prison-rape all of the bachelors.
Ummm... you want to hear a guy rape a bunch of other dudes? Okaaaaaay.... :unsure:
 
I tend to think that the fact that she's got more baggage than a 747 headed to a Mary Kay convention is a bigger problem.
Yeah. I'm sad about that, but I agree. Early on I thought she was the easy pick for him, as in, the one he should pick. However, she has reeeeeeeeally laid on the drama and heavy stuff lately, starting with the love declaration, so much so that it seems like she might now be impossible to have any fun with. Some of this is the editing monkeys but they can't be responsible for all of it.
 
'Da Guru said:
Catherine looked smoking hot at that rose ceremony last night.

That said, if you buy into the hypothesis that chicks end up looking like their moms eventually, you have to roll the dice with AshLee as you haven't got a glimpse of her future, because it looks pretty bleak for these other chicks.
:thumbup: I wanted to see Leslie's mom for this reason. But actually Lindsey's mom was cute, just a little plump. She was very sweet. I actually now believe that AshLee has too much drama surrounding her (sadly) and that he should pick Lindsey. I get the wrong vibe from Catherine. However, I think he'll pick Catherine.
He did.
Hey, guy, relax on this. Most of us in here are still trying to be on this amazing journey.
I just ignore it. I'm still thinking he goes with AshLee. The only potential road block is her age. Otherwise it seems like there's too much in common to ignore, she's ready to do the whole subservient marriage thing, and she's also smoking hot, even without makeup.
I tend to think that the fact that she's got more baggage than a 747 headed to a Mary Kay convention is a bigger problem.
Yeah lets look at his remaining choices:Ashley: Hot, but huge baggage issues. Trips to visit the in-laws will consist of helping them load their lark scooters into the car for Sunday dinner at the local hoffbrau.

Catherine: Hot and fun. Visiting the in-laws = lumpia. If it doesn't work out, maybe it will with one of her hot sisters.

Lindsay: Cute and crazy. Seemingly has the career aspirations of a high school dropout.

The winner here is Catherine.

 
'Da Guru said:
AshLee in a walkover from here in?
Nope.Catherine.
This was revealed long ago.
Catherine's family stopped just short of politely asking him to get the hell off of their property and to never contact Catherine ever again. Remind me why they bother with the family visits? :confused:
The brother of Des has been the best part of the whole season. :thumbup:
I despised the dude. I hate guys like that in general, the whole thug image, talking like an idiot, all the tats...I'd like to see him last one night in prison, see how tough he is then. Des should move away and never speak to that jackass again.
"Des, I can't let you marry that guy. Every day you will know what a smuck I am compared to him. Therefore, I must sabotage your relationship"I think Des' brother also may have some unnatural attraction issues with his sister. She needs to move as far away from him as possible.
Dude did come off as a thuggish tool. Probably has a decent arrest record somewhere.But I got to give him props - the only person on the show who is willing to call out the absurdity of this show and its premise. Kudos.ETA - And I still don't get the Catherine love. Not that attractive to me. Still seems to have some partying in her, as in, not ready to settle down with a nice Christian boy quite yet.
Oh, the show premise is ridiculus. I would have had no problem if he had said to Sean "hey dude, I'd like to give you my approval, but I know nothing about you, and this show has an awful record of generating happy couples. So nothing against you, I just think it was a bad idea for my sister to go on the show". However, he had to call Sean out and look like a tough guy. He went into it hoping to get a "look at me" moment and he made it happen. I hope he can live with his sister's hatred the rest of his life. I am also curious if they try to talk to him when they have the girls tell all episode. Happy now that America hates you?
 
'Da Guru said:
Catherine looked smoking hot at that rose ceremony last night.

That said, if you buy into the hypothesis that chicks end up looking like their moms eventually, you have to roll the dice with AshLee as you haven't got a glimpse of her future, because it looks pretty bleak for these other chicks.
:thumbup: I wanted to see Leslie's mom for this reason. But actually Lindsey's mom was cute, just a little plump. She was very sweet. I actually now believe that AshLee has too much drama surrounding her (sadly) and that he should pick Lindsey. I get the wrong vibe from Catherine. However, I think he'll pick Catherine.
He did.
Hey, guy, relax on this. Most of us in here are still trying to be on this amazing journey.
I just ignore it. I'm still thinking he goes with AshLee. The only potential road block is her age. Otherwise it seems like there's too much in common to ignore, she's ready to do the whole subservient marriage thing, and she's also smoking hot, even without makeup.
I tend to think that the fact that she's got more baggage than a 747 headed to a Mary Kay convention is a bigger problem.
:shrug: Catherine's got the whole absentee dad thing going + the overbearing sisters. And the tree crushing her friend. Lindsey's army dad is probably the lightest baggage at this point if we're going to handicap based on that. Seems like it's really important to Sean to know the chick "is crazy about him," so I don't know that AshLee's baggage is working against her here.
 
Des could have done a better job at mitigating her brother's damage. When she pulled Sean aside, she could have told him (after apologizing), "look, my brother is just protective of me, like you would be with your sister. Once we are together, and the craziness of this show is over, and he sees how happy i am, he'll be just fine, and welcome you with open arms."not saying this is truth, but that it would have been her best defense.

 
'Da Guru said:
Catherine looked smoking hot at that rose ceremony last night.

That said, if you buy into the hypothesis that chicks end up looking like their moms eventually, you have to roll the dice with AshLee as you haven't got a glimpse of her future, because it looks pretty bleak for these other chicks.
:thumbup: I wanted to see Leslie's mom for this reason. But actually Lindsey's mom was cute, just a little plump. She was very sweet. I actually now believe that AshLee has too much drama surrounding her (sadly) and that he should pick Lindsey. I get the wrong vibe from Catherine. However, I think he'll pick Catherine.
He did.
Hey, guy, relax on this. Most of us in here are still trying to be on this amazing journey.
I just ignore it. I'm still thinking he goes with AshLee. The only potential road block is her age. Otherwise it seems like there's too much in common to ignore, she's ready to do the whole subservient marriage thing, and she's also smoking hot, even without makeup.
I tend to think that the fact that she's got more baggage than a 747 headed to a Mary Kay convention is a bigger problem.
:shrug: Catherine's got the whole absentee dad thing going + the overbearing sisters. And the tree crushing her friend. Lindsey's army dad is probably the lightest baggage at this point if we're going to handicap based on that. Seems like it's really important to Sean to know the chick "is crazy about him," so I don't know that AshLee's baggage is working against her here.
It is clear that he has chosen poorly. One chick has a healthy fear of abandonment, one chick seems to attract death (her dad wasn't just absentee - didn't he kill himself?) and the last one would make me wish I had ended up with the death chick. His excuses tonight should be interesting.
 
Ashlee has a very nice body..I would be a bit worried that she could turn into a Glenn Close "Fatal Attraction" type down the road and saying... "I will not be treated like that Sean..you wil live up to your obligations while slicing up his cat. If her baggage issues were gone I would take her without a doubt. The old man has one great home for a pastor..must have his own TV show. Looks like he enjoys sipping whiskey and some action on the side too.Lindsay would let you do anything at anytime to her..all access all the time and happy to please. In bed you could haver your way and satisfy any desire with her. Even if she thought you were a perv she would still grin and bear it.Cartherine...just don`t feel it with her at all. Plus with two bitter sisters trying to sabatoge makes it worse. And before you know it the whole clan will be living with you with grandma cooking Pad Thai in your kitchen.Des..think Des would try to please..but looking into my family room and seeing her brother listening to Eminem while drinking 40s and watching Lock-up would get old fast.

 
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Lindsay's pretty damn hot, and cute. What's wrong with you people. She's a bit of an airhead but Sean's from Texas so he's probably not looking for brains anyway. She definitely has that "good in the sack" crazy vibe going and he's probably keeping her around for the episode where he bones the remaining girls.
:no: He's a born-again re-virgin saving himself for marriage and doesn't sleep with any of them. Whoever he gets engaged to (guess it's Catherine from all the spoilers here) agrees that they will wait until their wedding night to do the deed. :shrug:
 

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