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The Beatles
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saintsfan
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Yeah, I agree with this.
I think both Paul and George, certainly in the early years, looked up to John and kind of fought for his attention. Long term, it caused friction between the two of them. I know John was upset with George for George leaving John out of his book.
By the end, I don't think John was interested in working on anybody's songs but his own. John probably didn't get as much crap from the others because first, he died so young. Nobody's gonna speak ill of the dead. Second, at least you knew where you stood with John. Paul was much more diplomatic, which some people view as being two-faced. Paul was more unlikely to tell you where he stood, so he seemed insincere
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It's really quite a shame that George was gone before Paul because we could have heard all the great things about Paul after he was gone. Everyone always seems to have a higher opinion of people after they die.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Walsh put out an album last year called "Analog Man" that sounded like....well, classic Joe Walsh
zamboni
Footballguy
I was expecting something awful like Neil Young's Trans, but Joe's album wasn't nearly that bad.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
No I don't. I could have sworn he did it when I saw him last in 2012 though. Maybe I am mistaken about that...saintsfan said:
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
Haven't watched that far yet. I think I stopped at Ed Sheeran. What song did Imagine Dragons do?
Nipsey
Footballguy
Officer Pete Malloy
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saintsfan
Footballguy
I know he sang She Loves You at the end of All You Need is Love, but it does that on the record too. I think he even ends with the legendary major 6th. I saw a video for that.
But I haven't seen him perform She Loves You. I've seen him do Please Please Me, which is primarily a John song.
I would love to know his thoughts on that. Maybe it would be too weird for him to do those two especially, so linked with Beatlemania...
saintsfan
Footballguy
I thought it was OK. It was certainly different. Not my favorite performance of the night, but not bad.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Yes that is probably what I am remembering. I am guessing that he just views "She Loves You" and "I Want to Hold Your Hand" differently than some of the other Beatles songs like Please Please Me. Maybe because those two are SO associated with Beatlemania that he feels a little funny playing them as a solo artist. You are right though, it would be an interesting question.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
McCartney often does "I Saw Her Standing There" which he described at the ceremony as being the first song he and John wrote together on a street corner one day.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Yes no doubt John had a hand in it but I think even he would concede that "I Saw Her Standing There" is primarily a Paul song.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
love the way the handclaps mix in with the bass & drums.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsgWfAilIEM
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
That's funny you say that because, presuming what Paul said was true, I bet John was thinking he had quite the golden ticket in Paul as a "partner" back then.
What 15 or 16 or whatever, and boom, music magic. Cha-ching.
jwb
Footballguy
Big ELO / Jeff Lynne fan - One of the most underrated guys in rock history. Dude makes any concert / band better. He could have been the fifth Beatle.
ffldrew
Footballguy
I just finished the Tune In - All These Years - Vol 1 - a book about the Beatles History up through 1962 - from that
It was started by Paul after he and his girlfriend Celia Mortimer had taken off to London - she was 17. They had gone to some clubs - and "danced through the night" - She contributed the "held each other tight" - and Paul held that as an Idea
It had started off as "She was just 17 , she'd never been a beauty queen" - when they got their recording gig with EMI - they needed to come up with another song - so he and John revisited this song in prep for that session - working it out over at Pauls fathers house. John changed the beauty queen line to "you know what I mean". They stole a bit from the Coasters - Youngblood - "I saw her standing on the corner" and Chuck Berry - Little Queenie - she's too cute to be over 17. Paul also admits he stole his bass line from Chuck Berry's I'm Talking About You - they finished it up and added it to their show quickly and had it at the ready for their EMI sessions.
Interesting book - a bit tedious at times.
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saintsfan
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Great stuff, I think these early years are the most interesting aspect of their lives/career.
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
Just saw this performance at the White House by Jack White doing "Mother Nature's Son." Wish he would have been on the show. This performance isn't his best - but I still like a lot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUr3sugBfJA
ETA: Also saw this link - Dave Grohl and Norah Jones doing "Maybe I'm Amazed" at Paul's Kennedy at his Kennedy Center Honors deal. Love this song and they do a great job with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB9RgYcte_A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUr3sugBfJA
ETA: Also saw this link - Dave Grohl and Norah Jones doing "Maybe I'm Amazed" at Paul's Kennedy at his Kennedy Center Honors deal. Love this song and they do a great job with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB9RgYcte_A
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
I am reading it now and it is a great book. My only criticism thus far are all of the references indexed at the back of the book. I would have preferred them on the bottom of the page. I gave up flipping back and forth, I'll just read them when I finish it.
rockaction
Footballguy
Definitely a good read. Sort of Murray/Gladwellian, right? I remember the Hamburg stuff from Backbeat.
We used to have a running joke in college about failure just before the crowning (of anything). It was called pulling a "Pete Best." That changed when we saw the movie.
saintsfan
Footballguy
glock
"Don't grumble, give a whistle!"
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Very good article but it still succumbs to the "Paul had the talent but John was the genius" a little too much.
The one thing I agree with most is this:
Even if he wrote another Yesterday no one would care anymore. It'd be a smallish hit on the Easy Listening stations. Paul didn't change as much as the rest of us did. In the 1960s pop stars were taken seriously as spokesmen for their generation. People searched the grooves of a Beatles song for the coded messages, the secret instructions, the unspeakable insights. Paul had the idea of putting a sound on the final note of A Day in the Life that only a dog could hear. People found out because their dogs howled when it came on. If he did the same thing now, no one would notice.
I am of the opinion that much of the Beatles solo stuff is as good as what they did with the Beatles. Even in his 70s Paul's writing is top-notch as I am sure John's would be if he were still alive. But times have changed and so has the music industry. Look at a Top 40s chart from the 60s and see the diversity of different music and compare it to one from today.
The one thing I agree with most is this:
Even if he wrote another Yesterday no one would care anymore. It'd be a smallish hit on the Easy Listening stations. Paul didn't change as much as the rest of us did. In the 1960s pop stars were taken seriously as spokesmen for their generation. People searched the grooves of a Beatles song for the coded messages, the secret instructions, the unspeakable insights. Paul had the idea of putting a sound on the final note of A Day in the Life that only a dog could hear. People found out because their dogs howled when it came on. If he did the same thing now, no one would notice.
I am of the opinion that much of the Beatles solo stuff is as good as what they did with the Beatles. Even in his 70s Paul's writing is top-notch as I am sure John's would be if he were still alive. But times have changed and so has the music industry. Look at a Top 40s chart from the 60s and see the diversity of different music and compare it to one from today.
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saintsfan
Footballguy
No doubt. John and Paul's reputation kind of went in opposite directions, especially after John died.
IMO, John and Paul's songwriting in the 70s was overall still at a very high level. The main difference between what happened in the 70s and in the 60s was the fact that in the 60s because they were in the Beatles, they didn't have to come up with an entire album full of good songs because the other one wrote the other half of the songs, plus George wrote some. In a short period of time, it is difficult to come up with 10 or more solid songs. They didn't have 2 years to do an album like they do now.
If John was a genius (an overused word IMO), then Paul certainly was one also. As a musician, Paul was absolutely the best musician in that band and he would have been the best musician in almost any band he was in. Paul's true legacy will be seen much more clearly when he is gone. It always works that way. When somebody has to put together a McCartney tribute concert and realizes the absolute wealth of material, both in the Beatles and post Beatles, people will start to get it. My God, the range. The same guy that wrote Yesterday also wrote Helter Skelter. Of course, I'll bet half of the people that know Helter Skelter think John wrote it. Unreal
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
Definitely cool. It shows that not every moment of the "Get Back" sessions were miserable. For anyone interested there are more than 60 hours of the Get Back sessions on bootlegs.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Ha, the changes and whoever goes high vocally in the first measure with the drums sound like they could be the origin of Home Sweet Home.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
Interesting article in the Chicago Tribune this morning pointing out how bands (e.g., the Beatles, Rolling Stones, Dylan, Prince) were putting out a new album every year or so. Nowadays ...not so much.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Good point, actually 2 a year for the early parts of some careers. They were only 35-45 minutes most of the time but still that's a lot of output in a short period of time.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Especially considering LPs in the UK were typically 14 songs and in the case of the Beatles their singles (a & B sides) generally did not appear on their LPs.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
This is driving me bananas. Who is the guitarist in the flat, black hat who plays Clapton's parts at the beginning (before Prince shreds)? I know I should know who he is. He was also in Concert For George.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SFNW5F8K9Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SFNW5F8K9Y
BroncoFreak_2K3
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Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Thank you. He wasn't who whoever I was thinking of
searching my 70s/80s drug-addled brain as best I can, I think I thought it was either Stevie Winwood or the dude from AC/DC
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Wilbur Wood
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Does anyone know how to transfer a song from a Direct TV DVR to an I-pod? Or for that matter from You-tube to an I-pod? I would love to download a couple of songs from the Beatles 50th anniversary special on to my I-pod but I can't find them available for sale on either I-tunes or Amazon. I have the televised show stored on my Direct TV DVR but that is really not helpful for portability. Thanks for any help.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Damn that song is great, it was like a cannon shot on the White Album. When it came out it must have been like, "where has George been?"
Gotta love Prince for that piece of work there too. Look at George's son smiling.
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Bob Magaw
Footballguy
That was a great article linked above by Maurile.
There is a great interview of Mark Lewisohn on the Criterion remastered A Hard Days Night, in a synoptic historical overview recounting many formative events that led up to the movie (though it seems early, he pointed out it was slightly more than half way through their time together, so there was actually a lot of ground to cover - he is definitely an authority, I haven't read the book yet, but I take it close to a 1,000 page vol. 1 ends at "just" about where the first of their string of #1 hits was about to rocket them to global stardom in a matter of months).
I just played the Apple USB hi res flac file for Abbey Road, and it was a revelation, pretty sure I was hearing the music with such increased clarity and detail, I was hearing new sounds I hadn't heard or noticed before.
There is a great interview of Mark Lewisohn on the Criterion remastered A Hard Days Night, in a synoptic historical overview recounting many formative events that led up to the movie (though it seems early, he pointed out it was slightly more than half way through their time together, so there was actually a lot of ground to cover - he is definitely an authority, I haven't read the book yet, but I take it close to a 1,000 page vol. 1 ends at "just" about where the first of their string of #1 hits was about to rocket them to global stardom in a matter of months).
I just played the Apple USB hi res flac file for Abbey Road, and it was a revelation, pretty sure I was hearing the music with such increased clarity and detail, I was hearing new sounds I hadn't heard or noticed before.
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saintsfan
Footballguy
So this weekend I am doing a music recital.
I have been playing bass for 20 years, but never really progressed beyond a few open chords on guitar. So I decided to try and learn guitar. Been doing it for 2 years.
I have progressed to the point where my teacher says that I am "intermediate", therefore eligible to participate. In the meantime, my youngest daughter, also taking guitar at the same place, performed at a little show the school does once a month. My teacher, who also owns the school, was blown away by her voice (she's 10), so he wanted her to also participate in the recital, even though her guitar playing is not yet great, her voice is.
What's the theme for the recital?? You guessed it, Beatles. I have been working on If I Fell for like 3 months. Really difficult song to sing. I have the "Paul" part. Very intricate harmony. I am also singing lead on Ticket To Ride and Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds. My little one is belting out Can't Buy Me Love
I have been playing bass for 20 years, but never really progressed beyond a few open chords on guitar. So I decided to try and learn guitar. Been doing it for 2 years.
I have progressed to the point where my teacher says that I am "intermediate", therefore eligible to participate. In the meantime, my youngest daughter, also taking guitar at the same place, performed at a little show the school does once a month. My teacher, who also owns the school, was blown away by her voice (she's 10), so he wanted her to also participate in the recital, even though her guitar playing is not yet great, her voice is.
What's the theme for the recital?? You guessed it, Beatles. I have been working on If I Fell for like 3 months. Really difficult song to sing. I have the "Paul" part. Very intricate harmony. I am also singing lead on Ticket To Ride and Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds. My little one is belting out Can't Buy Me Love
Godsbrother
Footballguy
saintsfan
Footballguy
Yeah. On the stereo version. I actually tune my guitar down a whole step. I can't sing that part in D, do I do it in C...
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
Shankar Family and Friends, produced by George Harrison, also plays, and somewhat an oddity in his canon (AUDIO 49 minutes)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqraDiFz4Ik
Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shankar_Family_%26_Friends
Excerpt/Synopsis - Shankar Family & Friends (stylised as Shankar Family
Friends on the album cover) is an album by Indian musician Ravi Shankar, recorded primarily in Los Angeles during the spring of 1973, but not released until late 1974. It was produced by Shankar's friend George Harrison and one of the first releases on the ex-Beatle's Dark Horse label. Out of print for many years, and much sought after as a result, the album was remastered in 2010 and reissued as part of the Ravi Shankar–George Harrison box set Collaborations.
The title Shankar Family & Friends refers to the group-participation approach to the music, from Shankar's sister-in-law Lakshmi and son Shubho to a host of "friends" from the Indian subcontinent, Europe and the United States. In a deliberate blend of "East-meets-West" musical styles, other performers include Indian-music pioneers Alla Rakha, Ashish Khan, Shivkumar Sharma and Hariprasad Chaurasia, and Western musicians such as Tom Scott, Emil Richards, Billy Preston, Ringo Starr and Jim Keltner. The album features the Harrison-arranged pop bhajan "I Am Missing You" and a jazz-funk instrumental, "Dispute & Violence", the latter a part of an intended ballet, titled Dream, Nightmare & Dawn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqraDiFz4Ik
Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shankar_Family_%26_Friends
Excerpt/Synopsis - Shankar Family & Friends (stylised as Shankar Family
Friends on the album cover) is an album by Indian musician Ravi Shankar, recorded primarily in Los Angeles during the spring of 1973, but not released until late 1974. It was produced by Shankar's friend George Harrison and one of the first releases on the ex-Beatle's Dark Horse label. Out of print for many years, and much sought after as a result, the album was remastered in 2010 and reissued as part of the Ravi Shankar–George Harrison box set Collaborations.The title Shankar Family & Friends refers to the group-participation approach to the music, from Shankar's sister-in-law Lakshmi and son Shubho to a host of "friends" from the Indian subcontinent, Europe and the United States. In a deliberate blend of "East-meets-West" musical styles, other performers include Indian-music pioneers Alla Rakha, Ashish Khan, Shivkumar Sharma and Hariprasad Chaurasia, and Western musicians such as Tom Scott, Emil Richards, Billy Preston, Ringo Starr and Jim Keltner. The album features the Harrison-arranged pop bhajan "I Am Missing You" and a jazz-funk instrumental, "Dispute & Violence", the latter a part of an intended ballet, titled Dream, Nightmare & Dawn.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
New versions of 1 coming out 11-6-15, not only re-mastered, but deluxe editions with 2 Blu-rays or DVDs with a combined 50 videos, including 96/24 hi-res audio and 5.1 surround sound mixes, and 124 pg. book.
Beatles.com
http://www.thebeatles.com/sites/one/index.html
Amazon.com
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01576X9J0?keywords=beatles&qid=1444220348&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1
Beatles.com
http://www.thebeatles.com/sites/one/index.html
Amazon.com
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01576X9J0?keywords=beatles&qid=1444220348&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1
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