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The Best Backup QB...Who is it? (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter KoolKat
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Voted Tavaris Jackson.
I don't like Schaub or Garrard because I think they're both potential candidates for the Billy Volek lifetime achievement award. Oakland's offense is so bad that even if Andrew Walter gets the job (which I personally don't believe will happen, long-term), he's not going to be worth much. Boller's had his shot and failed, and while a few QBs manage to resurrect their careers, it's the exception rather than the rule.
That leaves Tony Romo, Tavaris Jackson, Brodie Croyle, and Jason Campbell. I saw Croyle and Campbell play a lot in college and I was never that impressed with either of them, so I ruled them out out of personal prejudice. Both Jackson and Romo are in a good place- behind an old QB- but I'd rather have Jackson because he'll be playing behind a better offensive line, because Minny's offensive playmakers are younger, and because Brad Johnson isn't just old... he's disgruntled over his contract. Seems like a surer recipe for Jackson to not only see game action sooner, but for him to be productive for longer.
In the end, it all amounts to little more than throwing darts at a board, though.
I don't like Schaub or Garrard because I think they're both potential candidates for the Billy Volek lifetime achievement award. Oakland's offense is so bad that even if Andrew Walter gets the job (which I personally don't believe will happen, long-term), he's not going to be worth much. Boller's had his shot and failed, and while a few QBs manage to resurrect their careers, it's the exception rather than the rule.
That leaves Tony Romo, Tavaris Jackson, Brodie Croyle, and Jason Campbell. I saw Croyle and Campbell play a lot in college and I was never that impressed with either of them, so I ruled them out out of personal prejudice. Both Jackson and Romo are in a good place- behind an old QB- but I'd rather have Jackson because he'll be playing behind a better offensive line, because Minny's offensive playmakers are younger, and because Brad Johnson isn't just old... he's disgruntled over his contract. Seems like a surer recipe for Jackson to not only see game action sooner, but for him to be productive for longer.
In the end, it all amounts to little more than throwing darts at a board, though.
broncofan13000
Footballguy
Voted Schaub.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
Voted Campbell, despite Schaub being the best talent. I believe Schaub just signed an extension this offseason. So he's stuck behind Vick for 2 more years unless he's traded.
Campbell on the other hand is the only QB listed that is guaranteed to play next year. Brunell is in his last year unless the Skins want to pay him a $12M escalated salary next year (or he restructures). Brunell's wife also asked him to quit this past offseason. The other backup, Todd Collins, has 12 years of crap on his NFL resume. He'll be a cheap backup to Campbell next year.
Then look at his weapons. Portis, Moss, Cooley, El, Lloyd. He will only lose 1 offensive lineman this offseason. He should know the offense very well and be comfortable with the players around him. Certainly he'll make more mistakes, but he also has a better arm than Brunell. So he should have more options deep. All that makes for lots of fantasy points.
Campbell on the other hand is the only QB listed that is guaranteed to play next year. Brunell is in his last year unless the Skins want to pay him a $12M escalated salary next year (or he restructures). Brunell's wife also asked him to quit this past offseason. The other backup, Todd Collins, has 12 years of crap on his NFL resume. He'll be a cheap backup to Campbell next year.
Then look at his weapons. Portis, Moss, Cooley, El, Lloyd. He will only lose 1 offensive lineman this offseason. He should know the offense very well and be comfortable with the players around him. Certainly he'll make more mistakes, but he also has a better arm than Brunell. So he should have more options deep. All that makes for lots of fantasy points.
Restricted
Footballguy
K. Clemens for The Jets and Gradkowski not on the list? From posted I pick Schaub.
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
I'd rank them as follows:
1. Schaub (very good chance of becoming a starter SOON, and he's already shown signs that he could start elsewhere if traded)
2. Romo (will at least get a shot with Dallas within the next year or so)
3. Garrard (was once the QB of the future, now not so much.)
4. Walter (only this high because he's starting now. But he's playing so bad that he's barely worth a future roster spot IMO)
5. Campbell (another guy who deserves a shot, although I haven't seen enough to think that he's got "future starter" written on him)
6. Boller (he's one McNair injury from starting. Not a great QB, but has QB2 potential)
5. Croyle (who?)
6. Jackson (bench fodder)
1. Schaub (very good chance of becoming a starter SOON, and he's already shown signs that he could start elsewhere if traded)
2. Romo (will at least get a shot with Dallas within the next year or so)
3. Garrard (was once the QB of the future, now not so much.)
4. Walter (only this high because he's starting now. But he's playing so bad that he's barely worth a future roster spot IMO)
5. Campbell (another guy who deserves a shot, although I haven't seen enough to think that he's got "future starter" written on him)
6. Boller (he's one McNair injury from starting. Not a great QB, but has QB2 potential)
5. Croyle (who?)
6. Jackson (bench fodder)
KiddLattimer
Footballguy
Schaub is a FA at the end of the year I believe. The only reason he is not a starter is that the Falcons refused to trade him (what does that tell you?) Also the Giants were targeting Schaub if they could not work out an Eli Manning trade, and valued him very closely to Manning.
The first move I made in my dynasty league (on a team I took over) was to trade for Schaub for next season. The guy is money
The first move I made in my dynasty league (on a team I took over) was to trade for Schaub for next season. The guy is money
He also has good mobility. He might get you some rushing stats, especially in those first couple years as a starter when QBs are more likely to take off running.
The Royal Jack
Footballguy
1. Schaub
2. Romo
3. Garrard
4. Jackson
5. Campbell
And if we stick to "franchise" potential I think only of Schaub. Turner is the top dynasty back reserve and Schaub is the top dynasty reserve QB you have any chance of getting on the cheap this year. Their values will sky rocket in the off season as they are both capable of leaving their current teams and will be in high demand.
Turner would rate a top 3 dynasty rookie pick for value right now, while Schaub in the 9-10 range. The rest of these guys on the list you'd be hard pressed to get anything more than a 20-30 range value for.
2. Romo
3. Garrard
4. Jackson
5. Campbell
And if we stick to "franchise" potential I think only of Schaub. Turner is the top dynasty back reserve and Schaub is the top dynasty reserve QB you have any chance of getting on the cheap this year. Their values will sky rocket in the off season as they are both capable of leaving their current teams and will be in high demand.
Turner would rate a top 3 dynasty rookie pick for value right now, while Schaub in the 9-10 range. The rest of these guys on the list you'd be hard pressed to get anything more than a 20-30 range value for.
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Riffraff
Footballguy
Campbell cost 2 first round picks. That makes me think he'll be given more of a shot (best chance) than the other guys.
valhallan
Footballguy
I like several of those guys, but I'll go ahead and say Boller. He already has plenty of experience under his belt and toward the end of last year it finally seemed he was "getting it."
Not stellar numbers, that's a 58% completion rate and the Ravens went 4-4 over that stretch after having gone 2-6 in Boller's absence. I've got him stashed on my dynasty bench (along with Schaub and Cutler) and expect he'll get another shot in Baltimore once McNair goes down.
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| WK OPP | CMP ATT PYD TD INT | RSH YD TD |+----------+--------------------------+----------------+| 10 jax | 19 33 142 0 3 | 2 9 0 || 11 pit | 21 36 163 1 1 | 6 17 0 || 12 cin | 18 32 211 3 2 | 4 10 0 || 13 hou | 17 33 198 0 0 | 3 11 1 || 14 den | 23 39 251 1 2 | 2 3 0 || 15 gnb | 19 27 253 3 0 | 1 9 0 || 16 min | 24 34 289 3 1 | 2 1 0 || 17 cle | 15 36 151 0 2 | 2 4 0 |+----------+--------------------------+----------------+| TOTAL | 156 270 1658 11 11 | 22 64 1 |Look at the end of the season before that, and the end of the season before that.Kyle Boller *always* looked like he was "getting it" at the end of the year, which is why he kept getting so many second chances.
The Royal Jack
Footballguy
As far as Boller is concerned- where and /or when will he ever get another shot at starting? I would rate his value at almost nill and is probably on the wire in dynasty leagues with <25 man rosters with the likes of Patrick Ramsey.
valhallan
Footballguy
I've seen most of his games and he looked more poised and confident last year than ever before. That's a big step for a young quarterback in my opinion. Schaub is the only other guy on this list that has handled real game action, so I definitely think Boller should be near the top.
valhallan
Footballguy
He's the backup to an injury-prone starter on a 4-0 team... why not take a flier?
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
If I had to have a backup start a game right now I'd take Boller. At least hes had some experience, and he still has all of the tools needed.
snarfsnarf
Footballguy
Schaub is a UFA at the end of the year?
I agree, I voted Schaub. I think he should be starting right now IMHO. I do think Vick has unparalleled skills as an athlete, he is just not an NFL quarterback. Schaub is much better suited (QB skills wise) to operate that West Coast offense. The Falcons would actually become very dangerous if he was under center. Right now they do not scare me at all. Since the Falcons are committed to Vick, we probably won't see much of Schaub unless Vick goes down. Schaub should have no trouble finding a team to pay for his services as a starter next season. I think he is great value right now for any dynasty league.
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KoolKat
Footballguy
The question isn't which one you would want for one game, but which one is the best for the long haul.
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MLBrandow
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Matt Schaub is very definitely overrated.
He's your classic "better by comparison" QB.
I'll take David Garrard thanks.
I'd like to see Schaub play more than one full game before annointing him as the best backup in the league.
He's your classic "better by comparison" QB.
I'll take David Garrard thanks.
I'd like to see Schaub play more than one full game before annointing him as the best backup in the league.
