The Birther Conspiracy Thread (4 Viewers)

[Leroy Hoard]

The issue is back in the news because the Supreme Court just declined to hear another case regarding Obama's eligibility.

Of course they did. The Illuminati wouldn't have it any other way.

you're an #######

From you, I wouldn't have it any other way.

 

[Sam Quentin]

It implies unqualified people are accidentally being sworn in as president of the United States.

So if a taxi company asks to see a MVR prior to hire that it implies the person is guilty of having a criminal driving record?If a company asks to see proof of a transcript before hiring an engineer that it implies the person never went to college?This is pretty standard employment criteria in many areas. I'm not sure why we wouldn't expect this when the person is being considered for the position of President. The holes in hte current system are pretty obvious.

Are you aware of any instances of a person obtaining the office of president without meeting the necessary eligibility requirements?

No, but it would really suck if that ever happened...and to think such a potential tragedy for the country could be averted by implementing such a simple vetting process.

 

[pantagrapher]

Are you aware of any instances of a person obtaining the office of president without meeting the necessary eligibility requirements?

You mean beside the current officeholder (whom I again admit to believing he was in fact born in Hawaii)?

 

[bigbottom]

Are you aware of any instances of a person obtaining the office of president without meeting the necessary eligibility requirements?

You mean beside the current officeholder (whom I again admit to believing he was in fact born in Hawaii)?There is no required demonstration of compliance with the Constitutional requirements until the winner of the election is presented to Congress. By that time, it's way too late.It shouldn't be too much to ask that a candidate demonstrate unquestionable compliance with the Constitution requirements upon announcing his candidacy. Not that some other person/group go find his credentials, but that the candidate not be allowed to move further in the election process until Constitutional compliance is demonstrated by the candidate themselves. That has not been the case with either (or any to my knowedge) party in my memory.My gawd, imagine the effect on the country if that weren't the case until after the election were completed.

I'm not sure you answered my question.

 

[bigbottom]

It implies unqualified people are accidentally being sworn in as president of the United States.

So if a taxi company asks to see a MVR prior to hire that it implies the person is guilty of having a criminal driving record?If a company asks to see proof of a transcript before hiring an engineer that it implies the person never went to college?This is pretty standard employment criteria in many areas. I'm not sure why we wouldn't expect this when the person is being considered for the position of President. The holes in hte current system are pretty obvious.

Are you aware of any instances of a person obtaining the office of president without meeting the necessary eligibility requirements?

No, but it would really suck if that ever happened...and to think such a potential tragedy for the country could be averted by implementing such a simple vetting process.

The primary and general election campaigns perform that function.

 

[Sam Quentin]

It implies unqualified people are accidentally being sworn in as president of the United States.

So if a taxi company asks to see a MVR prior to hire that it implies the person is guilty of having a criminal driving record?If a company asks to see proof of a transcript before hiring an engineer that it implies the person never went to college?This is pretty standard employment criteria in many areas. I'm not sure why we wouldn't expect this when the person is being considered for the position of President. The holes in hte current system are pretty obvious.

Are you aware of any instances of a person obtaining the office of president without meeting the necessary eligibility requirements?

No, but it would really suck if that ever happened...and to think such a potential tragedy for the country could be averted by implementing such a simple vetting process.

The primary and general election campaigns perform that function.

apparently notIt wasn't until June 2009 that the state of Hawaii verified natural birth. That is way too late.As far as challenging, the courts have ruled that common citizens don't have standing to challenge candidates on this question.

 

[Bronco Billy]

Are you aware of any instances of a person obtaining the office of president without meeting the necessary eligibility requirements?

You mean beside the current officeholder (whom I again admit to believing he was in fact born in Hawaii)?There is no required demonstration of compliance with the Constitutional requirements until the winner of the election is presented to Congress. By that time, it's way too late.It shouldn't be too much to ask that a candidate demonstrate unquestionable compliance with the Constitution requirements upon announcing his candidacy. Not that some other person/group go find his credentials, but that the candidate not be allowed to move further in the election process until Constitutional compliance is demonstrated by the candidate themselves. That has not been the case with either (or any to my knowedge) party in my memory.My gawd, imagine the effect on the country if that weren't the case until after the election were completed.

I'm not sure you answered my question.

No, I didn't. No, I don't have knowledge of any President elect who did not meet Constitutional requirements.That said, I still believe the process of vetting for Constitutional compliance should occur much earlier on the campaign trail rather than the current system of waiting until after the general election is over.

 

[Bronco Billy]

The primary and general election campaigns perform that function.

They do? Where is that encoded?

 

[bigbottom]

The primary and general election campaigns perform that function.

They do? Where is that encoded?

Of course they do. Through the primary and general election process, we learned that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, was over the age of 35 and had been a U.S. resident for the prior 14 years.

 

[bigbottom]

Are you aware of any instances of a person obtaining the office of president without meeting the necessary eligibility requirements?

You mean beside the current officeholder (whom I again admit to believing he was in fact born in Hawaii)?There is no required demonstration of compliance with the Constitutional requirements until the winner of the election is presented to Congress. By that time, it's way too late.It shouldn't be too much to ask that a candidate demonstrate unquestionable compliance with the Constitution requirements upon announcing his candidacy. Not that some other person/group go find his credentials, but that the candidate not be allowed to move further in the election process until Constitutional compliance is demonstrated by the candidate themselves. That has not been the case with either (or any to my knowedge) party in my memory.My gawd, imagine the effect on the country if that weren't the case until after the election were completed.

I'm not sure you answered my question.

No, I didn't. No, I don't have knowledge of any President elect who did not meet Constitutional requirements.That said, I still believe the process of vetting for Constitutional compliance should occur much earlier on the campaign trail rather than the current system of waiting until after the general election is over.

Like I said above, I don't really have a problem with that. But I think it's wholly unnecessary.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Barackolate Chip Cookie Dough

 

[mcintyre1]

Thanks birthers. I needed a good laugh this afternoon.

 

[videoguy505]

The primary and general election campaigns perform that function.

You don't have to go through those processes to become President, though.There isn't an explicit mechanism to qualify a candidate. While each state's Secretary of State probably has the authority, when certifying an election, to declare votes for a certain candidate to be invalid if the candidate isn't qualified, even that isn't a complete mechanism. The voting & certification process of the Electoral College provides at least an opportunity for a Representative to object, it's not clear who would make the ruling. Even then, the mechanism isn't complete, as Gerald Ford became president without having to go through the Electoral College process.

 

[mad sweeney]

Obama should gladly oblige even bat#### crazy constituents

I disagree.

This really should be a no-brainer, and it's difficult to figure out why people defend the way he is handling this.

No doubt, he has a reason for not caving to the demands. Perhaps it's one of the following:1) There is something on the birth certificate that he'd rather not disclose publicly (perhaps a reference to being muslim, maybe the age of his morther, who knows)

2) Caving to loons with an agenda will only encourage more attacks from the bat#### crazy contingent.

3) Having the bat#### crazy loons continue to spout off has a negative effect on the legitimacy of genuine policy opponents.

These may be good reasons, or horrible reasons. But regardless of what the reason is, it doesn't take anything away from the fact that the birthers are still bat#### crazy.

There will always be bat#### crazy loons making ridiculous requests in this country. But this is a request that should be easy to accomodate - and it's hardly "caving" when the Federal government asks for requires the exact same document from US citizens to simply cross the border. Discard 2) & 3). If the demands were for something completely unreasonable or objectionable, I'd agree with you. That isn't the case here.I lean towards agreeing with 1), but based upon the evidence I feel a stronger case can be made that there actually is no documentation of his actual birth due to the circumstances under which he appears to have been born (and which he's been caught in several lies, some of those lies actually contradicting themselves in trying to detail those circumstances). That he appears to have been born out of wedlock to a mixed raced couple was not disclosed would not be surprising given the date that he was born - nor should that be held in any way against him or prevent him from qualifying for being President.

When you cross the border do you show your documents to any and everyone in line that asks? Or do you show them to the authorities whose job it is to look at them and verify them? Obama showed his to the authorities who verified it. Bush's military service records shouldve been easy to show too but I doubt most of the people cosmogony for O's records made any stink whatsoever about W's past. In fact I'll bet most of them defended W.

 

[Jewell]

Bush's military service records shouldve been easy to show too but I doubt most of the people cosmogony for O's records made any stink whatsoever about W's past. In fact I'll bet most of them defended W.

When did military service become a Constitutional requirement to be President?

 

[Statorama]

Birthers are going about this whole thing wrong. Payoff one of Barack's shack-dwelling relatives to say he wasn't born in Hawaii.

 

[Sam Quentin]

Are you aware of any instances of a person obtaining the office of president without meeting the necessary eligibility requirements?

You mean beside the current officeholder (whom I again admit to believing he was in fact born in Hawaii)?There is no required demonstration of compliance with the Constitutional requirements until the winner of the election is presented to Congress. By that time, it's way too late.It shouldn't be too much to ask that a candidate demonstrate unquestionable compliance with the Constitution requirements upon announcing his candidacy. Not that some other person/group go find his credentials, but that the candidate not be allowed to move further in the election process until Constitutional compliance is demonstrated by the candidate themselves. That has not been the case with either (or any to my knowedge) party in my memory.My gawd, imagine the effect on the country if that weren't the case until after the election were completed.

I'm not sure you answered my question.

No, I didn't. No, I don't have knowledge of any President elect who did not meet Constitutional requirements.That said, I still believe the process of vetting for Constitutional compliance should occur much earlier on the campaign trail rather than the current system of waiting until after the general election is over.

Like I said above, I don't really have a problem with that. But I think it's wholly unnecessary.

With that in mind, I would also be in favor of "liberalizing" the natural born requirement. If somebody came to this country as an infant and lived in this country for most of their life, I should think that would be good enough. I can see where maybe the colonists didn't want somebody from England coming in and taking office, I think that idea's time has passed. An infant coming here and spending their formative years submerged in the fabric of this country is just as good as "natural born."

 

[Orange Crush]

Birthers are going about this whole thing wrong. Payoff one of Barack's shack-dwelling relatives to say he wasn't born in Hawaii.

They already did that. It was quite humorous. Just go back and re-read this thread.

 

[Orange Crush]

The issue is back in the news because the Supreme Court just declined to hear another case regarding Obama's eligibility.

Of course they did. The Illuminati wouldn't have it any other way.

 

[Statorama]

Birthers are going about this whole thing wrong. Payoff one of Barack's shack-dwelling relatives to say he wasn't born in Hawaii.

They already did that. It was quite humorous. Just go back and re-read this thread.

Oh Jesus that's disgraceful if they really did that

 

[Bronco Billy]

With that in mind, I would also be in favor of "liberalizing" the natural born requirement. If somebody came to this country as an infant and lived in this country for most of their life, I should think that would be good enough. I can see where maybe the colonists didn't want somebody from England coming in and taking office, I think that idea's time has passed. An infant coming here and spending their formative years submerged in the fabric of this country is just as good as "natural born."

I think you're on to something there...Juan Valdez. Anchor President.

 

[Todd Andrews]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Our Savior is a FRAUD!!!!???!!!???!!

 

[the moops]

When John Rocker says "I'm not racist, but...", it's all because of the PC crowd that won't even listen to reasonable arguments like "asian women shouldn't be allowed to drive" unless they are declared to be non-racist aforehand.

You are using John Rocker as your retort? Yikes.

Imagine having to take the 7 Train to the ballpark looking like you're riding through Beirut next to some kid with purple hair, next to some queer with AIDS, right next to some dude who just got out of jail for the fourth time, right next to some 20-year-old mom with four kids. It's depressing... The biggest thing I don't like about New York are the foreigners. You can walk an entire block in Times Square and not hear anybody speaking English. Asians and Koreans and Vietnamese and Indians and Russians and Spanish people and everything up there. How the hell did they get in this country?

 

[Orange Crush]

When John Rocker says "I'm not racist, but...", it's all because of the PC crowd that won't even listen to reasonable arguments like "asian women shouldn't be allowed to drive" unless they are declared to be non-racist aforehand.

You are using John Rocker as your retort? Yikes.

Imagine having to take the 7 Train to the ballpark looking like you're riding through Beirut next to some kid with purple hair, next to some queer with AIDS, right next to some dude who just got out of jail for the fourth time, right next to some 20-year-old mom with four kids. It's depressing... The biggest thing I don't like about New York are the foreigners. You can walk an entire block in Times Square and not hear anybody speaking English. Asians and Koreans and Vietnamese and Indians and Russians and Spanish people and everything up there. How the hell did they get in this country?

He was kidding.

 

[Statorama]

Ultra Liberal Chris Matthews asks...why hasn't Obama produced a copy of his long form Birth Certificate?

I don’t understand why the Governor doesn’t just say ’snap it up . . . send me a copy right now.’ And why doesn’t the President just say ’send me a copy right now.’ Why doesn’t Gibbs and Axelrod say ‘let’s just get this crappy story dead.’

 

[toshiba]

Ultra Liberal Chris Matthews asks...why hasn't Obama produced a copy of his long form Birth Certificate?

I don’t understand why the Governor doesn’t just say ’snap it up . . . send me a copy right now.’ And why doesn’t the President just say ’send me a copy right now.’ Why doesn’t Gibbs and Axelrod say ‘let’s just get this crappy story dead.’

Let's pretend that there is something about Obama's past he doesn't want to get out. Let's also pretend that this is not it. I would much rather have people focusing on an insane issue like this that I know I can clear up, instead of getting to other issues.Example: White Water somehow leads to Stained Dress and perjury charges over an affair. If Clinton would just have kept his mouth shut he might have been able to avoid that mess.

Example: Watergate break-in leads to the resignation of a president who didn't know about the break-in until after; his attempt to get involved is really what did him in.

 

[pantagrapher]

Ultra Liberal Chris Matthews asks...why hasn't Obama produced a copy of his long form Birth Certificate?

I don’t understand why the Governor doesn’t just say ’snap it up . . . send me a copy right now.’ And why doesn’t the President just say ’send me a copy right now.’ Why doesn’t Gibbs and Axelrod say ‘let’s just get this crappy story dead.’

Then all this quality entertainment would come to an end.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

CHRIS MATTHEWS IS JOINING THIS SHTICK?!!!

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Ultra Liberal Chris Matthews asks...why hasn't Obama produced a copy of his long form Birth Certificate?

I don’t understand why the Governor doesn’t just say ’snap it up . . . send me a copy right now.’ And why doesn’t the President just say ’send me a copy right now.’ Why doesn’t Gibbs and Axelrod say ‘let’s just get this crappy story dead.’

Then all this quality entertainment would come to an end.

 

[Sam Quentin]

Ultra Liberal Chris Matthews asks...why hasn't Obama produced a copy of his long form Birth Certificate?

I don’t understand why the Governor doesn’t just say ’snap it up . . . send me a copy right now.’ And why doesn’t the President just say ’send me a copy right now.’ Why doesn’t Gibbs and Axelrod say ‘let’s just get this crappy story dead.’

Then all this quality entertainment would come to an end.

you're still entertained by this?

 

[Summer Wheat]

CHRIS MATTHEWS IS JOINING THIS SHTICK?!!!

Matthews seems to be be indifferent about Obama as of late.

 

[FigJam]

All of it would be irrelevant if he (or where he was born) simply produced his birth certificate. Sounds pretty simple to me...

 

[matuski]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Our Savior is a FRAUD!!!!???!!!???!!

nice.

 

[matuski]

All of it would be irrelevant if he (or where he was born) simply produced his birth certificate. Sounds pretty simple to me...

Even acknowledging this would lend the conspiracy more weight than it is worth.

 

[Sarnoff]

CHRIS MATTHEWS IS JOINING THIS SHTICK?!!!

Matthews seems to be be indifferent about Obama as of late.

Hes cooled on Obama so much I wouldn't be surprised to hear him say Sarah Palin gives him the tingly feeling at this point.

 

[hxperson]

I'm sensing a parallel between the people who start sentances with "Now, I believe Obama was born in Hawaii, but..." and those who start them with "Now, I'm not racist, but...". I wonder if it's the same rationalization technique being used

It's sadly become a necessity. People have become so afraid to hear an opposing view that they reflexively call it racist without even listening to the argument (see The Tea Party). As a result, those who simply want to have their arguments heard on the merits now have to show their bona fides as a non-bigot before even getting into their argument. It's sad that it's come to that, but it's become a necessary step if you want to have an adult conversation with some people. I'm aware that last sentence seems nonsensical, but, then again, naturally assuming those with opposing views are bigots or "crazies" also seems nonsensical.

A million to this.When John Rocker says "I'm not racist, but...", it's all because of the PC crowd that won't even listen to reasonable arguments like "asian women shouldn't be allowed to drive" unless they are declared to be non-racist aforehand.

Seriously. I can't give this post enough love.

Wait..what? How is this statement reasonable in any way? Have you ever driven in Hong Kong, Seoul, or Tokyo? There are millions of women drivers there and they are driving every day in traffic conditions that are far more difficult than anywhere in North America. I really hope you are joking here...

 

[pantagrapher]

All of it would be irrelevant if he (or where he was born) simply produced his birth certificate. Sounds pretty simple to me...

This is a page 1-caliber sentiment. You really need to jack up the outrage level and hint at some grand conspiracy if you want to make it on page 14.

 

[bigbottom]

I'm sensing a parallel between the people who start sentances with "Now, I believe Obama was born in Hawaii, but..." and those who start them with "Now, I'm not racist, but...". I wonder if it's the same rationalization technique being used

It's sadly become a necessity. People have become so afraid to hear an opposing view that they reflexively call it racist without even listening to the argument (see The Tea Party). As a result, those who simply want to have their arguments heard on the merits now have to show their bona fides as a non-bigot before even getting into their argument. It's sad that it's come to that, but it's become a necessary step if you want to have an adult conversation with some people. I'm aware that last sentence seems nonsensical, but, then again, naturally assuming those with opposing views are bigots or "crazies" also seems nonsensical.

A million to this.When John Rocker says "I'm not racist, but...", it's all because of the PC crowd that won't even listen to reasonable arguments like "asian women shouldn't be allowed to drive" unless they are declared to be non-racist aforehand.

Seriously. I can't give this post enough love.

Wait..what? How is this statement reasonable in any way? Have you ever driven in Hong Kong, Seoul, or Tokyo? There are millions of women drivers there and they are driving every day in traffic conditions that are far more difficult than anywhere in North America. I really hope you are joking here...

 

[EasyMorningRebel]

All of it would be irrelevant if he (or where he was born) simply produced his birth certificate. Sounds pretty simple to me...

Even acknowledging this would lend the conspiracy more weight than it is worth.

So. I'm in the, "I don't really give a ####" crowd, but I still don't see what's keeping him from producing a legit document. Your point is a bit of a cop out. Just produce the BC and move on.

 

[hxperson]

I'm sensing a parallel between the people who start sentances with "Now, I believe Obama was born in Hawaii, but..." and those who start them with "Now, I'm not racist, but...". I wonder if it's the same rationalization technique being used

It's sadly become a necessity. People have become so afraid to hear an opposing view that they reflexively call it racist without even listening to the argument (see The Tea Party). As a result, those who simply want to have their arguments heard on the merits now have to show their bona fides as a non-bigot before even getting into their argument. It's sad that it's come to that, but it's become a necessary step if you want to have an adult conversation with some people. I'm aware that last sentence seems nonsensical, but, then again, naturally assuming those with opposing views are bigots or "crazies" also seems nonsensical.

A million to this.When John Rocker says "I'm not racist, but...", it's all because of the PC crowd that won't even listen to reasonable arguments like "asian women shouldn't be allowed to drive" unless they are declared to be non-racist aforehand.

Seriously. I can't give this post enough love.

Wait..what? How is this statement reasonable in any way? Have you ever driven in Hong Kong, Seoul, or Tokyo? There are millions of women drivers there and they are driving every day in traffic conditions that are far more difficult than anywhere in North America. I really hope you are joking here...

Exactly my point, BB. We suck at driving in general, so to discriminate exclusively against our women is blatantly sexist.

 

[GeauxTigers]

@ 2:00 mark!

 

[GeauxTigers]

Exactly my point, BB. We suck at driving in general, so to discriminate exclusively against our women is blatantly sexist.

Give it a rest, dude. You sound like the rest of the overly sensitive PC crowd.

 

[hxperson]

Exactly my point, BB. We suck at driving in general, so to discriminate exclusively against our women is blatantly sexist.

Give it a rest, dude. You sound like the rest of the overly sensitive PC crowd.

Was I trying not to be?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

All of it would be irrelevant if he (or where he was born) simply produced his birth certificate. Sounds pretty simple to me...

This is incorrect since he produced his birth certificate in June 2008.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

All of it would be irrelevant if he (or where he was born) simply produced his birth certificate. Sounds pretty simple to me...

This is incorrect since he produced his birth certificate in June 2008.

Facts are meaningless - you could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.

 

[Statorama]

All of it would be irrelevant if he (or where he was born) simply produced his birth certificate. Sounds pretty simple to me...

This is incorrect since he produced his birth certificate in June 2008.

Factcheck.org is not a legitimate site for issues involving Obama. It's run by the Annenbergs and the Annenberg/Obama connection has been well documented on this board.Obama has NOT submitted the long form birth certificate. He has only publicly provided that green copy (the so-called "short form"), leaving many to wonder what he's hiding on the long form.

Personally, I'm more interested in his Columbia transcripts (and the subesquent cover-up of that documentation from the public).

 

[Alex P Keaton]

All of it would be irrelevant if he (or where he was born) simply produced his birth certificate. Sounds pretty simple to me...

This is incorrect since he produced his birth certificate in June 2008.

Factcheck.org is not a legitimate site for issues involving Obama. It's run by the Annenbergs and the Annenberg/Obama connection has been well documented on this board.Obama has NOT submitted the long form birth certificate. He has only publicly provided that green copy (the so-called "short form"), leaving many to wonder what he's hiding on the long form.

Personally, I'm more interested in his Columbia transcripts (and the subesquent cover-up of that documentation from the public).

Please explain why you find the birth announcements, which were in Hawaii newspapers, aren't meaningful proof that Obama was, in fact, born.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

All of it would be irrelevant if he (or where he was born) simply produced his birth certificate. Sounds pretty simple to me...

This is incorrect since he produced his birth certificate in June 2008.

Factcheck.org is not a legitimate site for issues involving Obama. It's run by the Annenbergs and the Annenberg/Obama connection has been well documented on this board.Obama has NOT submitted the long form birth certificate. He has only publicly provided that green copy (the so-called "short form"), leaving many to wonder what he's hiding on the long form.

Personally, I'm more interested in his Columbia transcripts (and the subesquent cover-up of that documentation from the public).

Please explain why you find the birth announcements, which were in Hawaii newspapers, aren't meaningful proof that Obama was, in fact, born.

It don't matter how much proof there is, it's not like they are ever going to admit they were wrong. "Obama faked it, someone was bought out, blah blah blah..."

 

[TommyGilmore]

Please explain why you find the birth announcements, which were in Hawaii newspapers, aren't meaningful proof that Obama was, in fact, born.

Because the birth announcement could have been called-in by an overzealous family member who was desperate for Obama to get his citizenship. You really think the newspaper was going to call the hospital to verify that the baby was onsite? Please. It's the oldest scam in the book.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Please explain why you find the birth announcements, which were in Hawaii newspapers, aren't meaningful proof that Obama was, in fact, born.

Because the birth announcement could have been called-in by an overzealous family member who was desperate for Obama to get his citizenship. You really think the newspaper was going to call the hospital to verify that the baby was onsite? Please. It's the oldest scam in the book.

:( Good point Tommy, clearly this conspiracy was in the making for a long time.