The Birther Conspiracy Thread (1 Viewer)

[medium aristotle]

I'm not a birther. I believe the president was born in Hawaii — or at least I hope he was.

It always cracks me up how few actual self-admitted birthers there are. I don't think there's a single one in this forum. It's always, "Personally, I think he was born here, but I can understand there is a real question...etc."

What's your point Tim? You think there are a bunch of closeted birthers afraid to reveal themselves on an anonymous internet forum?

That's exactly what makes their cowardice so amusing.

that's an interesting theory

 

[roadkill1292]

I'm not a birther. I believe the president was born in Hawaii — or at least I hope he was.

It always cracks me up how few actual self-admitted birthers there are. I don't think there's a single one in this forum. It's always, "Personally, I think he was born here, but I can understand there is a real question...etc."

What's your point Tim? You think there are a bunch of closeted birthers afraid to reveal themselves on an anonymous internet forum?

Birthers just don't seem to be able to come right out and say what they really want to. There's been a run of that lately in the FFA. (wave to the camera, pittstownkiller and Clinton)

 

[medium aristotle]

I'm not a birther. I believe the president was born in Hawaii — or at least I hope he was.

It always cracks me up how few actual self-admitted birthers there are. I don't think there's a single one in this forum. It's always, "Personally, I think he was born here, but I can understand there is a real question...etc."

What's your point Tim? You think there are a bunch of closeted birthers afraid to reveal themselves on an anonymous internet forum?

Birthers just don't seem to be able to come right out and say what they really want to. There's been a run of that lately in the FFA. (wave to the camera, pittstownkiller and Clinton)

What are they afraid of?

 

[roadkill1292]

I'm not a birther. I believe the president was born in Hawaii — or at least I hope he was.

It always cracks me up how few actual self-admitted birthers there are. I don't think there's a single one in this forum. It's always, "Personally, I think he was born here, but I can understand there is a real question...etc."

What's your point Tim? You think there are a bunch of closeted birthers afraid to reveal themselves on an anonymous internet forum?

Birthers just don't seem to be able to come right out and say what they really want to. There's been a run of that lately in the FFA. (wave to the camera, pittstownkiller and Clinton)

What are they afraid of?

You're deflecting, again. But to answer your question, pittstownkiller finally came out and said that he was afraid the government would make churches marry gay people if SSM was legalized, but only after dancing around the issue for a couple of pages. Clinton engaged in all kinds of smirky cuteness to avoid saying that he thinks people of color are inferior. Why bring the issue up at all if you're not gonna engage in an open debate? It's like pulling teeth sometimes.

 

[medium aristotle]

I'm not a birther. I believe the president was born in Hawaii — or at least I hope he was.

It always cracks me up how few actual self-admitted birthers there are. I don't think there's a single one in this forum. It's always, "Personally, I think he was born here, but I can understand there is a real question...etc."

What's your point Tim? You think there are a bunch of closeted birthers afraid to reveal themselves on an anonymous internet forum?

Birthers just don't seem to be able to come right out and say what they really want to. There's been a run of that lately in the FFA. (wave to the camera, pittstownkiller and Clinton)

What are they afraid of?

You're deflecting, again. But to answer your question, pittstownkiller finally came out and said that he was afraid the government would make churches marry gay people if SSM was legalized, but only after dancing around the issue for a couple of pages. Clinton engaged in all kinds of smirky cuteness to avoid saying that he thinks people of color are inferior. Why bring the issue up at all if you're not gonna engage in an open debate? It's like pulling teeth sometimes.

what am I deflecting?

 

[roadkill1292]

I'm not a birther. I believe the president was born in Hawaii — or at least I hope he was.

It always cracks me up how few actual self-admitted birthers there are. I don't think there's a single one in this forum. It's always, "Personally, I think he was born here, but I can understand there is a real question...etc."

What's your point Tim? You think there are a bunch of closeted birthers afraid to reveal themselves on an anonymous internet forum?

Birthers just don't seem to be able to come right out and say what they really want to. There's been a run of that lately in the FFA. (wave to the camera, pittstownkiller and Clinton)

What are they afraid of?

You're deflecting, again. But to answer your question, pittstownkiller finally came out and said that he was afraid the government would make churches marry gay people if SSM was legalized, but only after dancing around the issue for a couple of pages. Clinton engaged in all kinds of smirky cuteness to avoid saying that he thinks people of color are inferior. Why bring the issue up at all if you're not gonna engage in an open debate? It's like pulling teeth sometimes.

what am I deflecting?

Those two guys aren't really what we were discussing. Tim's point was an interesting one that some of us share. The birthers usually seem to preface their comments with conditional statements. That's a waste of time. We're still gonna think they're crazy.

 

[medium aristotle]

I'm not a birther. I believe the president was born in Hawaii — or at least I hope he was.

It always cracks me up how few actual self-admitted birthers there are. I don't think there's a single one in this forum. It's always, "Personally, I think he was born here, but I can understand there is a real question...etc."

What's your point Tim? You think there are a bunch of closeted birthers afraid to reveal themselves on an anonymous internet forum?

Birthers just don't seem to be able to come right out and say what they really want to. There's been a run of that lately in the FFA. (wave to the camera, pittstownkiller and Clinton)

What are they afraid of?

You're deflecting, again. But to answer your question, pittstownkiller finally came out and said that he was afraid the government would make churches marry gay people if SSM was legalized, but only after dancing around the issue for a couple of pages. Clinton engaged in all kinds of smirky cuteness to avoid saying that he thinks people of color are inferior. Why bring the issue up at all if you're not gonna engage in an open debate? It's like pulling teeth sometimes.

what am I deflecting?

Those two guys aren't really what we were discussing. Tim's point was an interesting one that some of us share. The birthers usually seem to preface their comments with conditional statements. That's a waste of time. We're still gonna think they're crazy.

In your opinion, why would birthers be unwilling to admit their birtherism? and there are clearly out-of-the-closet birthers, what explains this phenomenon?

 

[roadkill1292]

I'm not a birther. I believe the president was born in Hawaii — or at least I hope he was.

It always cracks me up how few actual self-admitted birthers there are. I don't think there's a single one in this forum. It's always, "Personally, I think he was born here, but I can understand there is a real question...etc."

What's your point Tim? You think there are a bunch of closeted birthers afraid to reveal themselves on an anonymous internet forum?

Birthers just don't seem to be able to come right out and say what they really want to. There's been a run of that lately in the FFA. (wave to the camera, pittstownkiller and Clinton)

What are they afraid of?

You're deflecting, again. But to answer your question, pittstownkiller finally came out and said that he was afraid the government would make churches marry gay people if SSM was legalized, but only after dancing around the issue for a couple of pages. Clinton engaged in all kinds of smirky cuteness to avoid saying that he thinks people of color are inferior. Why bring the issue up at all if you're not gonna engage in an open debate? It's like pulling teeth sometimes.

what am I deflecting?

Those two guys aren't really what we were discussing. Tim's point was an interesting one that some of us share. The birthers usually seem to preface their comments with conditional statements. That's a waste of time. We're still gonna think they're crazy.

In your opinion, why would birthers be unwilling to admit their birtherism? and there are clearly out-of-the-closet birthers, what explains this phenomenon?

It's inexplicable to me. Maybe it's because this board leans mostly libertarian or liberal and the conservatives who are actual birthers feel a little outnumbered. It's one thing to spout that nonsense on Free Republic where everyone will go along with it, it's quite another to do it here where any number of bored smart guys are ready to eviscerate that weak-### ####.

 

[roadkill1292]

Goodness, Aristotle. I just noticed your thread from yesterday about Obama's literary agent. Color me embarrassed.

 

[medium aristotle]

It's inexplicable to me. Maybe it's because this board leans mostly libertarian or liberal and the conservatives who are actual birthers feel a little outnumbered. It's one thing to spout that nonsense on Free Republic where everyone will go along with it, it's quite another to do it here where any number of bored smart guys are ready to eviscerate that weak-### ####.

So "conservatives" aka "birthers" who come here day after day and debate every other conservative/liberal topic feel outnumbered on this issue alone and decide to remain closeted in their true beliefs? Am I accurately summarizing your argument?

 

[medium aristotle]

Goodness, Aristotle. I just noticed your thread from yesterday about Obama's literary agent. Color me embarrassed.

goodness gracious! What an amazing coincidence... here we are having a back and forth on this topic and you just happen to come across that thread...

 

[roadkill1292]

It's inexplicable to me. Maybe it's because this board leans mostly libertarian or liberal and the conservatives who are actual birthers feel a little outnumbered. It's one thing to spout that nonsense on Free Republic where everyone will go along with it, it's quite another to do it here where any number of bored smart guys are ready to eviscerate that weak-### ####.

So "conservatives" aka "birthers" who come here day after day and debate every other conservative/liberal topic feel outnumbered on this issue alone and decide to remain closeted in their true beliefs? Am I accurately summarizing your argument?

Oh, no. I pointed out some other examples. Some of the conservative positions demand that a little dance be employed when discussing them with those of differing beliefs. You're doing it now.

 

[roadkill1292]

Goodness, Aristotle. I just noticed your thread from yesterday about Obama's literary agent. Color me embarrassed.

goodness gracious! What an amazing coincidence... here we are having a back and forth on this topic and you just happen to come across that thread...

I either missed it or avoided it yesterday and it just got bumped to the top. I'm sorry, we should re-think having this discussion because it's unlikely that we'll understand each other's position and one of us is liable to be discourteous to the other (I think I already was, sorry).

 

[TinHat]

I think Tim is a closet birther

Who posted in: The Birther Conspiracy ThreadMember name Posts timschochet 266

 

[medium aristotle]

Goodness, Aristotle. I just noticed your thread from yesterday about Obama's literary agent. Color me embarrassed.

goodness gracious! What an amazing coincidence... here we are having a back and forth on this topic and you just happen to come across that thread...

I either missed it or avoided it yesterday and it just got bumped to the top. I'm sorry, we should re-think having this discussion because it's unlikely that we'll understand each other's position and one of us is liable to be discourteous to the other (I think I already was, sorry).

no worries roadkill. It can be frustrating when you're constantly trying to define the beliefs of others instead of allowing them to define their own beliefs. take care.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

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[matuski]

I don't know why Romney is getting a pass from the birthers. There is at least as much unfounded insinuating information on him.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I don't know why Romney is getting a pass from the birthers. There is at least as much unfounded insinuating information on him.

His dad (knowing sonny would one day run for prez)gave Mitt the perfect backstory. He's named after the shape of the state he was born in.

 

[matuski]

I don't know why Romney is getting a pass from the birthers. There is at least as much unfounded insinuating information on him.

His dad (knowing sonny would one day run for prez)gave Mitt the perfect backstory. He's named after the shape of the state he was born in.

This would not stop a true birther. Reason be damned, Mitt should show us his birth certificate.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Sam Quentin is going to look really stupid when it's finally proven Obama was born in Kenya.

 

[17seconds]

I'm not a birther. I believe the president was born in Hawaii — or at least I hope he was.

It always cracks me up how few actual self-admitted birthers there are. I don't think there's a single one in this forum. It's always, "Personally, I think he was born here, but I can understand there is a real question...etc."

The people I've met who are actual birthers don't follow politics or even the news, really.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Sheriff Joe Arpaio has sent investigators to Hawaii, at taxpayer expense, to get to the bottom of this.

It was one thing when it was just volunteers funded by donations, but how does a county sheriff justify using department money on this?

 

[pantagrapher]

Sheriff Joe Arpaio has sent investigators to Hawaii, at taxpayer expense, to get to the bottom of this.

It was one thing when it was just volunteers funded by donations, but how does a county sheriff justify using department money on this?

THE PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW THEIR PRESIDENT IS FROM PLANET KEN-YA.

 

[Apple Jack]

Sheriff Joe is just padding his bona-fides for the inevitable unveiling of the Birther Party ticket in 2016.

 

[Guinis72]

Hawaii verifies Obama's birth records to Arizona

Published May 23, 2012

Associated Press

HONOLULU – The state of Hawaii has verified President Barack Obama's birth records to Arizona's elections chief after a nearly three-month back and forth that Arizona officials said could have ended without the incumbent's name on its November ballot.

Joshua Wisch, special assistant to Hawaii Attorney General David Louie, told The Associated Press in an email late Tuesday that the matter is resolved after Hawaii gave Arizona the verification it was looking for.

Hawaii -- which has vouched for Obama's birth in the state several times as early as October 2008 -- didn't bow to the request easily. The Aloha State told Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett he had to prove he needed the records as part of normal business.

Wisch says Hawaii got what it needed, so it gave Bennett's office the verification.

It's not immediately clear whether the information will satisfy Bennett. Bennett spokesman Matthew Roberts said the office received the verification and planned to comment Wednesday.

Roberts did not say whether the information would end the flap with Obama's name on the ballot.

Bennett said during a radio interview earlier Tuesday that he had reworded his request to Hawaii and expected to get a response within two days.

The development came the same day Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio defended sending one of his deputies to Hawaii to accompany an official in his volunteer posse that is investigating Obama's birth certificate, despite earlier saying no taxpayer money was being spent on the probe.

The sheriff said Tuesday that taxpayers won't ultimately foot the bill because the posse, which so far has used $40,000 in donations to pay for the probe, will reimburse his office for the deputy's trip to Hawaii this week.

Arpaio said the deputy who was sent to Hawaii was there for security reasons, which the sheriff declined to discuss.

"Even if it was costing the taxpayers money, we are talking about a criminal investigation into possible fraud and forgery on government documents," the sheriff said.

The sheriff launched the investigation last summer and said in March that there was probable cause to believe Obama's long-form birth certificate, released by the White House more than a year ago, is a computer-generated forgery and that the president's Selective Service card was most likely a forgery.

Speculation about Obama's birthplace has swirled among conservatives for years. So-called "birthers" maintain that Obama is ineligible to hold the country's highest elected office because, they contend, he was born in Kenya, his father's homeland.

Hawaii officials have repeatedly confirmed Obama's citizenship, and Obama released a copy of his long-form birth certificate more than a year ago in an attempt to quell citizenship questions. Courts also have rebuffed lawsuits over the issue.

The Arizona Republic first reported that Arpaio had sent the deputy to Hawaii.

Democratic state Sen. Steve Gallardo, a critic of the sheriff, said Arpaio has misplaced priorities when he focuses on the president's birth certificate, while his own office had failed to adequately investigate hundreds of sex-crimes cases over a three-year period ending in 2007.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/23/hawaii-verifies-obama-birth-records-to-arizona-2129696754/#ixzz1viDek6Th

So......is that it?

 

[NCCommish]

Hawaii verifies Obama's birth records to Arizona

Published May 23, 2012

Associated Press

HONOLULU – The state of Hawaii has verified President Barack Obama's birth records to Arizona's elections chief after a nearly three-month back and forth that Arizona officials said could have ended without the incumbent's name on its November ballot.

Joshua Wisch, special assistant to Hawaii Attorney General David Louie, told The Associated Press in an email late Tuesday that the matter is resolved after Hawaii gave Arizona the verification it was looking for.

Hawaii -- which has vouched for Obama's birth in the state several times as early as October 2008 -- didn't bow to the request easily. The Aloha State told Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett he had to prove he needed the records as part of normal business.

Wisch says Hawaii got what it needed, so it gave Bennett's office the verification.

It's not immediately clear whether the information will satisfy Bennett. Bennett spokesman Matthew Roberts said the office received the verification and planned to comment Wednesday.

Roberts did not say whether the information would end the flap with Obama's name on the ballot.

Bennett said during a radio interview earlier Tuesday that he had reworded his request to Hawaii and expected to get a response within two days.

The development came the same day Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio defended sending one of his deputies to Hawaii to accompany an official in his volunteer posse that is investigating Obama's birth certificate, despite earlier saying no taxpayer money was being spent on the probe.

The sheriff said Tuesday that taxpayers won't ultimately foot the bill because the posse, which so far has used $40,000 in donations to pay for the probe, will reimburse his office for the deputy's trip to Hawaii this week.

Arpaio said the deputy who was sent to Hawaii was there for security reasons, which the sheriff declined to discuss.

"Even if it was costing the taxpayers money, we are talking about a criminal investigation into possible fraud and forgery on government documents," the sheriff said.

The sheriff launched the investigation last summer and said in March that there was probable cause to believe Obama's long-form birth certificate, released by the White House more than a year ago, is a computer-generated forgery and that the president's Selective Service card was most likely a forgery.

Speculation about Obama's birthplace has swirled among conservatives for years. So-called "birthers" maintain that Obama is ineligible to hold the country's highest elected office because, they contend, he was born in Kenya, his father's homeland.

Hawaii officials have repeatedly confirmed Obama's citizenship, and Obama released a copy of his long-form birth certificate more than a year ago in an attempt to quell citizenship questions. Courts also have rebuffed lawsuits over the issue.

The Arizona Republic first reported that Arpaio had sent the deputy to Hawaii.

Democratic state Sen. Steve Gallardo, a critic of the sheriff, said Arpaio has misplaced priorities when he focuses on the president's birth certificate, while his own office had failed to adequately investigate hundreds of sex-crimes cases over a three-year period ending in 2007.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/23/hawaii-verifies-obama-birth-records-to-arizona-2129696754/#ixzz1viDek6Th

So......is that it?

Of course not. They are all in on it. Obama is a time traveling evil genius who at conception traveled forward several decades to get the ball rolling and make sure his bases were covered.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Hawaii verifies Obama's birth records to Arizona

Published May 23, 2012

Associated Press

HONOLULU – The state of Hawaii has verified President Barack Obama's birth records to Arizona's elections chief after a nearly three-month back and forth that Arizona officials said could have ended without the incumbent's name on its November ballot.

Joshua Wisch, special assistant to Hawaii Attorney General David Louie, told The Associated Press in an email late Tuesday that the matter is resolved after Hawaii gave Arizona the verification it was looking for.

Hawaii -- which has vouched for Obama's birth in the state several times as early as October 2008 -- didn't bow to the request easily. The Aloha State told Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett he had to prove he needed the records as part of normal business.

Wisch says Hawaii got what it needed, so it gave Bennett's office the verification.

It's not immediately clear whether the information will satisfy Bennett. Bennett spokesman Matthew Roberts said the office received the verification and planned to comment Wednesday.

Roberts did not say whether the information would end the flap with Obama's name on the ballot.

Bennett said during a radio interview earlier Tuesday that he had reworded his request to Hawaii and expected to get a response within two days.

The development came the same day Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio defended sending one of his deputies to Hawaii to accompany an official in his volunteer posse that is investigating Obama's birth certificate, despite earlier saying no taxpayer money was being spent on the probe.

The sheriff said Tuesday that taxpayers won't ultimately foot the bill because the posse, which so far has used $40,000 in donations to pay for the probe, will reimburse his office for the deputy's trip to Hawaii this week.

Arpaio said the deputy who was sent to Hawaii was there for security reasons, which the sheriff declined to discuss.

"Even if it was costing the taxpayers money, we are talking about a criminal investigation into possible fraud and forgery on government documents," the sheriff said.

The sheriff launched the investigation last summer and said in March that there was probable cause to believe Obama's long-form birth certificate, released by the White House more than a year ago, is a computer-generated forgery and that the president's Selective Service card was most likely a forgery.

Speculation about Obama's birthplace has swirled among conservatives for years. So-called "birthers" maintain that Obama is ineligible to hold the country's highest elected office because, they contend, he was born in Kenya, his father's homeland.

Hawaii officials have repeatedly confirmed Obama's citizenship, and Obama released a copy of his long-form birth certificate more than a year ago in an attempt to quell citizenship questions. Courts also have rebuffed lawsuits over the issue.

The Arizona Republic first reported that Arpaio had sent the deputy to Hawaii.

Democratic state Sen. Steve Gallardo, a critic of the sheriff, said Arpaio has misplaced priorities when he focuses on the president's birth certificate, while his own office had failed to adequately investigate hundreds of sex-crimes cases over a three-year period ending in 2007.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/23/hawaii-verifies-obama-birth-records-to-arizona-2129696754/#ixzz1viDek6Th

So......is that it?

Hawaii is a pretty liberal state and they have been on Obama's side for a while now. Not sure we can really trust what they are reporting. Has anyone spoken to the doctor who supposedly gave birth to Obama?

 

[NCCommish]

Hawaii verifies Obama's birth records to Arizona

Published May 23, 2012

Associated Press

HONOLULU – The state of Hawaii has verified President Barack Obama's birth records to Arizona's elections chief after a nearly three-month back and forth that Arizona officials said could have ended without the incumbent's name on its November ballot.

Joshua Wisch, special assistant to Hawaii Attorney General David Louie, told The Associated Press in an email late Tuesday that the matter is resolved after Hawaii gave Arizona the verification it was looking for.

Hawaii -- which has vouched for Obama's birth in the state several times as early as October 2008 -- didn't bow to the request easily. The Aloha State told Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett he had to prove he needed the records as part of normal business.

Wisch says Hawaii got what it needed, so it gave Bennett's office the verification.

It's not immediately clear whether the information will satisfy Bennett. Bennett spokesman Matthew Roberts said the office received the verification and planned to comment Wednesday.

Roberts did not say whether the information would end the flap with Obama's name on the ballot.

Bennett said during a radio interview earlier Tuesday that he had reworded his request to Hawaii and expected to get a response within two days.

The development came the same day Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio defended sending one of his deputies to Hawaii to accompany an official in his volunteer posse that is investigating Obama's birth certificate, despite earlier saying no taxpayer money was being spent on the probe.

The sheriff said Tuesday that taxpayers won't ultimately foot the bill because the posse, which so far has used $40,000 in donations to pay for the probe, will reimburse his office for the deputy's trip to Hawaii this week.

Arpaio said the deputy who was sent to Hawaii was there for security reasons, which the sheriff declined to discuss.

"Even if it was costing the taxpayers money, we are talking about a criminal investigation into possible fraud and forgery on government documents," the sheriff said.

The sheriff launched the investigation last summer and said in March that there was probable cause to believe Obama's long-form birth certificate, released by the White House more than a year ago, is a computer-generated forgery and that the president's Selective Service card was most likely a forgery.

Speculation about Obama's birthplace has swirled among conservatives for years. So-called "birthers" maintain that Obama is ineligible to hold the country's highest elected office because, they contend, he was born in Kenya, his father's homeland.

Hawaii officials have repeatedly confirmed Obama's citizenship, and Obama released a copy of his long-form birth certificate more than a year ago in an attempt to quell citizenship questions. Courts also have rebuffed lawsuits over the issue.

The Arizona Republic first reported that Arpaio had sent the deputy to Hawaii.

Democratic state Sen. Steve Gallardo, a critic of the sheriff, said Arpaio has misplaced priorities when he focuses on the president's birth certificate, while his own office had failed to adequately investigate hundreds of sex-crimes cases over a three-year period ending in 2007.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/23/hawaii-verifies-obama-birth-records-to-arizona-2129696754/#ixzz1viDek6Th

So......is that it?

Hawaii is a pretty liberal state and they have been on Obama's side for a while now. Not sure we can really trust what they are reporting. Has anyone spoken to the doctor who supposedly gave birth to Obama?

He wasn't birthed by his mom? Just how deep does this conspiracy go?

 

[medium aristotle]

Hawaii verifies Obama's birth records to Arizona

Published May 23, 2012

Associated Press

HONOLULU – The state of Hawaii has verified President Barack Obama's birth records to Arizona's elections chief after a nearly three-month back and forth that Arizona officials said could have ended without the incumbent's name on its November ballot.

Joshua Wisch, special assistant to Hawaii Attorney General David Louie, told The Associated Press in an email late Tuesday that the matter is resolved after Hawaii gave Arizona the verification it was looking for.

Hawaii -- which has vouched for Obama's birth in the state several times as early as October 2008 -- didn't bow to the request easily. The Aloha State told Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett he had to prove he needed the records as part of normal business.

Wisch says Hawaii got what it needed, so it gave Bennett's office the verification.

It's not immediately clear whether the information will satisfy Bennett. Bennett spokesman Matthew Roberts said the office received the verification and planned to comment Wednesday.

Roberts did not say whether the information would end the flap with Obama's name on the ballot.

Bennett said during a radio interview earlier Tuesday that he had reworded his request to Hawaii and expected to get a response within two days.

The development came the same day Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio defended sending one of his deputies to Hawaii to accompany an official in his volunteer posse that is investigating Obama's birth certificate, despite earlier saying no taxpayer money was being spent on the probe.

The sheriff said Tuesday that taxpayers won't ultimately foot the bill because the posse, which so far has used $40,000 in donations to pay for the probe, will reimburse his office for the deputy's trip to Hawaii this week.

Arpaio said the deputy who was sent to Hawaii was there for security reasons, which the sheriff declined to discuss.

"Even if it was costing the taxpayers money, we are talking about a criminal investigation into possible fraud and forgery on government documents," the sheriff said.

The sheriff launched the investigation last summer and said in March that there was probable cause to believe Obama's long-form birth certificate, released by the White House more than a year ago, is a computer-generated forgery and that the president's Selective Service card was most likely a forgery.

Speculation about Obama's birthplace has swirled among conservatives for years. So-called "birthers" maintain that Obama is ineligible to hold the country's highest elected office because, they contend, he was born in Kenya, his father's homeland.

Hawaii officials have repeatedly confirmed Obama's citizenship, and Obama released a copy of his long-form birth certificate more than a year ago in an attempt to quell citizenship questions. Courts also have rebuffed lawsuits over the issue.

The Arizona Republic first reported that Arpaio had sent the deputy to Hawaii.

Democratic state Sen. Steve Gallardo, a critic of the sheriff, said Arpaio has misplaced priorities when he focuses on the president's birth certificate, while his own office had failed to adequately investigate hundreds of sex-crimes cases over a three-year period ending in 2007.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/23/hawaii-verifies-obama-birth-records-to-arizona-2129696754/#ixzz1viDek6Th

So......is that it?

Hawaii is a pretty liberal state and they have been on Obama's side for a while now. Not sure we can really trust what they are reporting. Has anyone spoken to the doctor who supposedly gave birth to Obama?

I believe she was an anthropologist...

 

[pittstownkiller]

I'm not a birther. I believe the president was born in Hawaii — or at least I hope he was.

It always cracks me up how few actual self-admitted birthers there are. I don't think there's a single one in this forum. It's always, "Personally, I think he was born here, but I can understand there is a real question...etc."

What's your point Tim? You think there are a bunch of closeted birthers afraid to reveal themselves on an anonymous internet forum?

Birthers just don't seem to be able to come right out and say what they really want to. There's been a run of that lately in the FFA. (wave to the camera, pittstownkiller and Clinton)

Just because my arguments don't fit your preconceived notions, it doesn't make me duplicitous.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Undead Birtherism: The Zombie Conspiracy Can’t Be Killed

Like the monster at the end of a horror movie, birtherism refuses to stay down, no matter how many times it’s left for dead. It has been over a year since the White House tried to shove a long-form stake through the heart of the conspiracy, and yet some Republican politicians continue to offer fodder for the fringe which refuses to accept that Barack Obama is the legitimate President of the United States.

TPM’s Nick Martin has been closely following Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett’s recent adventures in birther-mongering. Bennett, the man in charge of running Arizona’s elections, threatened last week to keep Obama off the state’s ballots in November. Bennett’s shenanigans followed the lead of Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who earlier this year announced that members of a special posse had determined that a copy of Obama’s birth certificate released last year by the White House was a fraud. (Arpaio saw Bennett’s move this week and raised him an absurdity by dispatching a deputy from his “threats unit” to Hawaii as part of his probe.)

But birtherism is hardly an Arizona-only phenomenon. Signs of life from the birther hive have also recently been reported in Iowa, Colorado, Missouri, North Carolina, and Florida. (It is also worth noting, as TPM reported last week, that some of the most hardcore birthers are now so far gone that they’re saying Obama was born in America after all, only now they think his Kenyan father was a cover for his “real” father, communist Frank Marshall Davis..)

Just this week, TheIowaRepublican.com and other outlets acquired a draft of the proposed platform Iowa Republicans will adopt at their state convention on June 16. The document contained the following line: “We believe candidates for President of the United States must show proof of being a ‘natural born citizen’ as required by Article II, Section I of the Constitution — beginning with the 2012 election.” In an interview with Radio Iowa on Monday, Don Racheter, chairman of the Iowa GOP’s 2012 platform committee, said the section was “a shot” at the president.

“There are many Republicans who feel that Barack Obama is not a ‘natural born citizen’ because his father was not an American when he was born and, therefore, feel that according to the Constitution he’s not qualified to be president, should not have been allowed to be elected by the Electoral College or even nominated by the Democratic Party in 2008, so this is an election year,” Racheter said.

North Carolina, meanwhile, boasts not one but two Republican Congressional candidates who’ve dabbled in birtherism.

Jim Pendergraph, who on July 17 will face fellow Republican Robert Pittenger in a Republican primary runoff for the state’s 9th District House seat, last month had Arpaio join for a campaign event, and said the following, when asked about Obama’s birth certificate.

“I have reason to be suspicious,” Pendergraph said, according to The Huffington Post. “But I don’t know. I haven’t seen the facts. I think there’s a lot of smoke and generally when there’s smoke there’s got to be fire somewhere.”

Earlier in April, Republican Richard Hudson, now facing a primary run off in North Carolina’s 8th District, raised his own questions about Obama’s citizenship at a Tea Party forum.

“There’s no question President Obama is hiding something on his citizenship,” Hudson said, according to Roll Call. “And if you elect me to Congress to represent you, I’ll introduce legislation that requires any candidate for president or vice president to be certified by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court as being a citizen.”

Asked later about the comments by Roll Call, Hudson explained that “there’s a lot of people that think that he’s not a citizen. I don’t know.”

“In the future, let’s just set a standard that if you’re going to run, you have to have your citizenship certified in advance and then you won’t have all this lingering, you know, questions and conspiracy theories and so forth,” he said.

Aspiring lawmakers aren’t the only ones playing this game. Three members of Congress have raised similar kinds of “concerns” over the last few months.

On May 12, at a fundraiser in Elbert County, Colorado, Rep. Mike Coffman (R-CO) told a crowd that he didn’t know if Barack Obama was born in the United States of America.

“I don’t know that,” he said. “But I do know this, that in his heart, he’s not an American. He’s just not an American.”

Coffman later apologized, releasing a statement saying, “I misspoke and I apologize.”

In April, Rep. Vicky Hartzler (R-MO) told constituents at a town hall event that she had doubts about Obama’s birth certificate.

“You know, I have a lot of doubts about all that. But I don’t know, I haven’t seen it,” Hartzler said when asked about the issue, according to The Huffington Post. “I’m just at the same place you are on that. You read this, you read that. But I don’t understand why he didn’t show that right away. I mean, if someone asked for my birth certificate, I’d get my baby book and hand it out and say ‘Here it is,’ so I don’t know.”

After the event, The Sedalia Democrat asked Hartzler to clarify her comments, and the Congresswoman responded: “I have doubts that it is really his real birth certificate, and I think a lot of Americans do, but they claim it is, so we are just going to go with that.”

She declined to say whether she believes the president is a U.S. citizen, calling the issue “irrelevant.”

Back in February, Rep. Cliff Stearns (R-FL) offered perhaps the best example of how this undead issue survives even after it’s been debunked time and again. During a meeting with constituents, Stearns offered the following thoughts (via Think Progress):

All I can tell you is that the general consensus is that he has produced a birth certificate. The question is, is it legitimate? That’s where we stand now. I’ve seen a copy of it on television. But you know the Governor of Hawaii couldn’t get what he felt was an original of the birth certificate. He tried to do it and gave up on it. So I think what Obama’s showing is a facsimile, but I think that debate probably is not enough, shall we say, just to impeach him. We’re going to have an election in five or six months so we can change the course of history by electing someone other than Obama. That’s what elections are all about. If we started impeachment this time of year, very difficult in terms of time and strength.

In March, Stearns doubled down.

“I am, shall we say, looking at all the evidence,” he told reporters in Washington, according to The Hill. “… some of these people seem to have legitimate concerns, so I don’t think it is unreasonable just to see what they have to say.”

 

[Apple Jack]

So I think what Obama’s showing is a facsimile, but I think that debate probably is not enough, shall we say, just to impeach him.

Thanks for the awesome new political landscape, Newt. Somebody line up and curbstomp these toxic db's.Its like what my painter friend donald said to meStick a fork in their ### and turn them over, they're donehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn6G_EWFMds

 

[CBusAlex]

Hawaii is a pretty liberal state and they have been on Obama's side for a while now. Not sure we can really trust what they are reporting. Has anyone spoken to the doctor who supposedly gave birth to Obama?

The doctor is convienently deceased. Just like Breitbart.NOTICING A PATTERN HERE, SHEEPLE?!?

 

[The Commish]

"sheeple"

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Limbaugh thinks Obama pretended to be born in Kenya to help him get into college.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Limbaugh thinks Obama pretended to be born in Kenya to help him get into college.

oof. "Rush's Razor".

 

[Ursa M]

Hawaii is a pretty liberal state and they have been on Obama's side for a while now.

I dunno, I think the HI attitude is more due to being assailed by regular waves of nutjobs asking the same idiot questions over and over. It would try the patience of Job, never mind the government functionaries who have to deal with these buffoons.

 

[JuniorNB]

Limbaugh thinks Obama pretended to be born in Kenya to help him get into college.

I always wait till I hear Rush's unbiased opinion before forming my own.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

Hawaii verifies Obama's birth records to Arizona

Published May 23, 2012

Associated Press

HONOLULU – The state of Hawaii has verified President Barack Obama's birth records to Arizona's elections chief after a nearly three-month back and forth that Arizona officials said could have ended without the incumbent's name on its November ballot.

Joshua Wisch, special assistant to Hawaii Attorney General David Louie, told The Associated Press in an email late Tuesday that the matter is resolved after Hawaii gave Arizona the verification it was looking for.

Hawaii -- which has vouched for Obama's birth in the state several times as early as October 2008 -- didn't bow to the request easily. The Aloha State told Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett he had to prove he needed the records as part of normal business.

Wisch says Hawaii got what it needed, so it gave Bennett's office the verification.

It's not immediately clear whether the information will satisfy Bennett. Bennett spokesman Matthew Roberts said the office received the verification and planned to comment Wednesday.

Roberts did not say whether the information would end the flap with Obama's name on the ballot.

Bennett said during a radio interview earlier Tuesday that he had reworded his request to Hawaii and expected to get a response within two days.

The development came the same day Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio defended sending one of his deputies to Hawaii to accompany an official in his volunteer posse that is investigating Obama's birth certificate, despite earlier saying no taxpayer money was being spent on the probe.

The sheriff said Tuesday that taxpayers won't ultimately foot the bill because the posse, which so far has used $40,000 in donations to pay for the probe, will reimburse his office for the deputy's trip to Hawaii this week.

Arpaio said the deputy who was sent to Hawaii was there for security reasons, which the sheriff declined to discuss.

"Even if it was costing the taxpayers money, we are talking about a criminal investigation into possible fraud and forgery on government documents," the sheriff said.

The sheriff launched the investigation last summer and said in March that there was probable cause to believe Obama's long-form birth certificate, released by the White House more than a year ago, is a computer-generated forgery and that the president's Selective Service card was most likely a forgery.

Speculation about Obama's birthplace has swirled among conservatives for years. So-called "birthers" maintain that Obama is ineligible to hold the country's highest elected office because, they contend, he was born in Kenya, his father's homeland.

Hawaii officials have repeatedly confirmed Obama's citizenship, and Obama released a copy of his long-form birth certificate more than a year ago in an attempt to quell citizenship questions. Courts also have rebuffed lawsuits over the issue.

The Arizona Republic first reported that Arpaio had sent the deputy to Hawaii.

Democratic state Sen. Steve Gallardo, a critic of the sheriff, said Arpaio has misplaced priorities when he focuses on the president's birth certificate, while his own office had failed to adequately investigate hundreds of sex-crimes cases over a three-year period ending in 2007.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/23/hawaii-verifies-obama-birth-records-to-arizona-2129696754/#ixzz1viDek6Th

So......is that it?

[staples]That Was Easy[/staples]

 

[timschochet]

Arpaio said the deputy who was sent to Hawaii was there for security reasons, which the sheriff declined to discuss."Even if it was costing the taxpayers money, we are talking about a criminal investigation into possible fraud and forgery on government documents," the sheriff said.

What a truly ####### idiot this guy is. How does he even have a job? Arizona these days is such an embarrassment.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Arpaio said the deputy who was sent to Hawaii was there for security reasons, which the sheriff declined to discuss."Even if it was costing the taxpayers money, we are talking about a criminal investigation into possible fraud and forgery on government documents," the sheriff said.

What a truly ####### idiot this guy is. How does he even have a job? Arizona these days is such an embarrassment.

Where are Republicans NOT an embarrassment? It's okay to admit that one side currently has a monopoly on the crazies tim.

 

[timschochet]

Arpaio said the deputy who was sent to Hawaii was there for security reasons, which the sheriff declined to discuss."Even if it was costing the taxpayers money, we are talking about a criminal investigation into possible fraud and forgery on government documents," the sheriff said.

What a truly ####### idiot this guy is. How does he even have a job? Arizona these days is such an embarrassment.

Where are Republicans NOT an embarrassment? It's okay to admit that one side currently has a monopoly on the crazies tim.

But I don't buy that. The 9/11 Truthers were mostly Democrat, weren't they?

 

[bigbottom]

Arpaio said the deputy who was sent to Hawaii was there for security reasons, which the sheriff declined to discuss."Even if it was costing the taxpayers money, we are talking about a criminal investigation into possible fraud and forgery on government documents," the sheriff said.

What a truly ####### idiot this guy is. How does he even have a job? Arizona these days is such an embarrassment.

Where are Republicans NOT an embarrassment? It's okay to admit that one side currently has a monopoly on the crazies tim.

But I don't buy that. The 9/11 Truthers were mostly Democrat, weren't they?

Were any 9/11 Truthers elected officials? Sheriff Joe is so influential that his endorsement is being prominently emphasized in campaign ads for Texas political races.

 

[timschochet]

Arpaio said the deputy who was sent to Hawaii was there for security reasons, which the sheriff declined to discuss.

"Even if it was costing the taxpayers money, we are talking about a criminal investigation into possible fraud and forgery on government documents," the sheriff said.

What a truly ####### idiot this guy is. How does he even have a job? Arizona these days is such an embarrassment.

Where are Republicans NOT an embarrassment? It's okay to admit that one side currently has a monopoly on the crazies tim.

But I don't buy that. The 9/11 Truthers were mostly Democrat, weren't they?

Were any 9/11 Truthers elected officials? Sheriff Joe is so influential that his endorsement is being prominently emphasized in campaign ads for Texas political races.

I have no idea. I think that Senator Mike Gravel was involved for a time. But my point was that conspiracy theorists are not all on the Republican side. Historically, what this idiot sheriff is doing is somewhat similar to Jim Garrison.

 

[The Commish]

Arpaio said the deputy who was sent to Hawaii was there for security reasons, which the sheriff declined to discuss."Even if it was costing the taxpayers money, we are talking about a criminal investigation into possible fraud and forgery on government documents," the sheriff said.

What a truly ####### idiot this guy is. How does he even have a job? Arizona these days is such an embarrassment.

Where are Republicans NOT an embarrassment? It's okay to admit that one side currently has a monopoly on the crazies tim.

But I don't buy that. The 9/11 Truthers were mostly Democrat, weren't they?

And you shouldn't buy that. There is plenty of crazy on both sides. To suggest otherwise is simply willful ignorance. I haven't gotten passed this post yet, but I'm guessing the typical answer to your Truther question is/will be "they weren't REAL democrats".

 

[matuski]

I love this guy.

Zullo said investigators previously didn't know the meaning of the codes but they were explained by a 95-year-old former state worker who signed the president's birth certificate. Zullo said a writer who published a book about Obama's birth certificate and was aiding investigators let them listen to an interview he conducted with the former state worker.

Arpaio's proof!

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I love this guy.

Zullo said investigators previously didn't know the meaning of the codes but they were explained by a 95-year-old former state worker who signed the president's birth certificate. Zullo said a writer who published a book about Obama's birth certificate and was aiding investigators let them listen to an interview he conducted with the former state worker.

Arpaio's proof!

Saw a tweet about him earlier that made me laugh:

Matt Oswalt @Puddinstrip

Sheriff Joe Arpaio is hands down my favorite Sacha Baron Cohen character

Retweeted by Patton Oswalt

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

The craziest one yet. A guy in Alaska is suing the state, trying to force it to get a "verified" copy of Obama's birth certificate to prove that he's qualified to be on the ballot. He also alleges that Obama, by taking office, has committed the crime of trying overthrow the U.S. government. Finally, he alleges that Nancy Pelosi has no right to serve in Congress because she's a woman. "There are no provisions in the Constitution of the United States that grants Women 'Political Rights' of Suffrage to hold any Political Office of the United States Government." Awesome.

 

[NCCommish]

Arpaio said the deputy who was sent to Hawaii was there for security reasons, which the sheriff declined to discuss.

"Even if it was costing the taxpayers money, we are talking about a criminal investigation into possible fraud and forgery on government documents," the sheriff said.

What a truly ####### idiot this guy is. How does he even have a job? Arizona these days is such an embarrassment.

Where are Republicans NOT an embarrassment? It's okay to admit that one side currently has a monopoly on the crazies tim.

But I don't buy that. The 9/11 Truthers were mostly Democrat, weren't they?

And you shouldn't buy that. There is plenty of crazy on both sides. To suggest otherwise is simply willful ignorance. I haven't gotten passed this post yet, but I'm guessing the typical answer to your Truther question is/will be "they weren't REAL democrats".

No the answer is Tim is mistaken:

A 2010 study of Facebook users affiliated with a 9/11 Truth group known as "We Are Change" found that most members of this group are males in their late 20s. Most members of this group are involved in right-wing politics

I would like to see any proof Tim has that Democrats were the primary people involved in the truther movement. Right now this sounds like more data pulled out of Tim's butt.

 

[timschochet]

Every truther I have ever heard on TV was a person of the left - Rosie O Donnell and Charlie Sheen come to mind. And I recall a poll taken several years ago in which a scary portion of Democrats questioned how much Bush knew beforehand. So I'm sorry NC but I didn't make this stuff up.