LHUCKS
Footballguy
Not a bad draft...is this H2H?? Not a huge Tatum Bell fan, but the Bell/Bell handcuff is interesting...I wouldn't do it, but it's interesting. For H2H in a start 3 WR format you made yourself too weak at WR.
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The blueprint for slot #4 (1 Viewer)
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barndog
Father of Two
It's your pick (rd 13)!
Frank Black
Footballguy
I also dislike the Foster pick. I would have picked McGahee or Wayne. The Foster/Williams combo is great for a SSL, but not for H2H.
I hear what you're saying about Foster being injury prone, but as a homer, I believe that John Fox knows this as well. I see a RBBC this year here in town. If Foster isn't so hurt that he flat out doesn't play in certain games, you have a potential nightmare in deciding which one to start.
I hear what you're saying about Foster being injury prone, but as a homer, I believe that John Fox knows this as well. I see a RBBC this year here in town. If Foster isn't so hurt that he flat out doesn't play in certain games, you have a potential nightmare in deciding which one to start.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Rover - the above post has ANALYSIS and REASONING at each pick - and NOWHERE does MoP say "how'd I do??"You want to comment -fine.OK, so I thought it might be a good idea to share some real world drafting and not just theory. The league I drafted in this weekend is pretty normal, 1PPR, 6 pts All TD, performance/TD combo the rest of the way. I will show you who I took and what other players were on the board around those picks. This league is not a total shark league. I make no apologies for that however about 4-6 of us contribute either threads here, internet podcasts, and articles as guests on other sites that we need not mention in the forum.
We certainly have a few guys that take rather interesting picks...I'm sure many of you play in leagues like that as well. The emphasis will not be in the exact players themselves but overall team strength at the end, give you a good idea what your facing.
1QB/1RB/2WR/1Flex/1TE/1Def/1PK
1.04 Clinton Portis RB: It can be argued that in a PPR league that barber may have been the pick but I like the situation Portis is in and a
another small factor is the notion that if Portis went down, I have no problem playing Ladell betts....let's hope I lock him up later.
2.09 Torry Holt WR: Somtimes you just get lucky. Guy ahead of me took marvin harrison...Holt was the #6 WR off the board in our league. Smith, Fitz, Johnson, TO, Harrison in that order. I thought about a RB but when you can grab a WR that can possibly end the season as the FF#1WR I think you bite down. Peyton manning was selected earlier in the draft, quite a few back and then there was a WR run...I really didn't want to see Holt paired with LJ, Shaun, or LT as I will be facing all of these teams twice during the season.
3.04 DeShaun Foster RB: I may have jumped the gun a bit here, however I think the combo of he Williams and Foster can provide top10-15 in the stats dept and at thi spoint in the draft that's a good thing. The real key is getting Williams to back him up. I was not optimistic that I could take Williams in the 8th round like his ADP so I will have to plan on reaching for him a bit.
The 3rd round pick is probably the most difficult for the #4 slot. You have to anticipate that a lot of RB will be off the board by the time it circles back around to you. Also guys like Chambers, Wayne, etc...those option are there if you want to go that route but I am hard pressed to find a major difference in them and maybe 20 more WR after them. I only have to field 1 RB in this league but we all know how lethal a RB in the flex can be.
4.09 Warrick Dunn RB: I am only asking him to be a bye week filler att his point...maybe early to grab that but Dunn is proven to be top20-25 and sometimes even higher over the past several seasons on a team that loves to run the football. If he can produce 1200 total yds, and 5-6 TD that's fine. Not many WR are going to give you at this point in the draft.
There were a lot of WR that went in the 3rd/4th and I would have take Donal Driver here but he went off the board 2 picks before me. I also was gambling that a WR I like would be there for me on the way back in the 5th. Because we play 6 pts Pass TD there was also starting to be a momentum for QBs...something that was exciting to me as I would be one of the last to grab one in the draft.
5.04 Derrick Mason WR: The WR were starting to fly off the board a little faster than I had anticipated. because of the flex there was a 3WR set mentality for a couple of the owners...but this lead to some RB falling to later rounds. The dropff from a Mason down to a Eddie kennison may not seem like much to some of you but I see big things from him this season and I am committed to this new passing game of baltimore...pounding it out hasn't worked for a long time there and maybe Billick can inject some life into this offense. Mason was an 80 catch/1200yds/7-9TD a season guy with mcNair and I am anticipating a return to that.
6.09 Ron Dayne RB: This is going to either be a steal or a real waste if these Mike Bell reports start panning out, but I think Dayne will be in the mix. I think there is trade value with Dayne too. It's amazing what 1 report can do to make you rethink your draft a bit.
7.04 DeAngelo Williams RB: I felt I had to take him here...and about 6 owners piped up they would have taken him on the way down in the 7th or up in the 8th...again i probably would not have landed Foster if I wait till the 4th...and I don't get Williams if I try and ring it out another round to take him. You ahve to be ahead of your buddies when you draft and if that means reaching a round or 2 to lock up who you want then so be it. The Koren Robinsons of the world were going in this round so i felt I didn't miss much.
8.09 Jake Plummer QB: He comes off the board as the 12th QB in my league...I was worried about getting him after a couple of owners started grabbing their QB2...I did not want to end up with a Rothy/Bruynell combo or something weird for waiting too long. I do need a WR3 in a hurry but I feel strong about Plummer when teamed up with another QB that I think have a very favorable pass schedule. I always look forward to Chase Stuart's QBBC article but I tweak that article a bit. What I look for is an established QB with a decent passing offense, and a good schedule. Plummer fit that and he needed to be secured at this point.
9.04 Michael Clayton WR: Remember when he was a 3rd round pick last season? Remember when he tore it up as a rookie? He was hurt all of last season. Galloway had a career like year...he will stretch the field and allow Clayton to work underneath and take off after he catches tha ball, something he is very good at. I wanted Matt Jones but he was taken 2 spots ahead...I also like Clayton and at this point in the draft ot get a guy that could very well post 70-80 catches, 1,000+yds and 5-8TD...this is something you are looking for. I was really looking for guys with upside. Clayton meets the requirements for me.
10.09 LJ Smith TE: Last person to take a TE. Some teams even started grabbing their backups...Ben Watson got snatched up by the Alge Crumpler owner...why? I felt Smith has upside and I didn't want to get stuck with Alex Smith later or something close to that.
11.04 Brett Favre QB: WOW! To get him at this point in the draft...I was a little surprised but look at the pass schedule he and Plummer bring to the table. Especially weeks 14-17 too. Only a couple of rough match ups between the 2 and I think Plummer/Favre is a terrific mid round combo that should be able to produce for almost any team.
12.09 Mark Clayton WR: As my WR4 I see upside with this pick. What if mason doesn't quite pan out as I hope and Clayton becomes the focal point of the passing game? i doubt it with Heap on the field too but I see Clayton making big strides this season for Baltimore. He is a bye week filler for the moment and I have some plans for the later round picks and WR. Troy Williamson ios an example of a WR that went off the board in this round.
13.04 Ladell betts RB: Gotta protect the 1st round investment and I like Betts a lot. I hope he gets his touches as Saunders has said. Portis stand a better chance of holding up the whole season if he is limited to about 17-20 carries a game. I have no fear of betts getting the goal line carries but if something happened to Portis I would feel OK is Betts was going to run the show a couple of weeks. When drafting those RB early try and think about their back ups too. If S.Jackson went down on St Louis, who would succeed him and would they produce? How bout Pittman in TB behind "Cadillac"...I like that situation a lot better than some of the others in the 1st round. Injuries are part of the game, and you can't overlook the likelihood of your RB getting shelved for a few weeks during the season.
14.09 Miami Dolphins Def/ST: Lots of defenses long gone...I like Miami and their chances this season.
15.04 Kevin Curtis WR: Just could not believe he was on the board still. A great back up play for my Holt pick...and if Bruce is down again I may have a starter. My 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks all have their back ups...I am completely happy with how that played out.
16.09 Corey Bradford WR: Starting presently
17.04 Dallas Cowboys Def/ST
18.09 Reche Caldwell WR: I like him preseason last season. he is in camp and getting a lot of reps...I like the upside for an 18th round pick.
19.04 Bobby Engram WR: The best WR8 on any roster in my league...Not a sexy pick but if Burleson doesn't play up to snuff or DJax misses time, he will see a lot of targets.
20.09 R.Longwell PK: Had to take 1 PK and he was the best of what was left.
Guys with the #4 pick, fire away and I'll try and help. Questions, comments, concerns, chime in
You want to read it - fine.
You don't want to read or comment, fine. Skip the thread.
THIS forum is where MoP's post belongs. Sorry you do not see it that way, but it is perfectly acceptable to post what he posted in this forum.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
OK, now that one's good.If that's a "blueprint" it's for building the Hindenberg.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Mock draft of experts so no playing it out. Once I took manning at the top of the 3rd, I figured I'd have to go for a handcuff pairing for my RB3, and I like the Bell/Bell combo better than the Foster/Williams combvo (plus I couldn't get that combo)
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Is toomer still there? OK - back in a minute.It's your pick (rd 13)!
the rover
Footballguy
great. I like your rate my draft stuff in this thread, too. by the way, what was MoP's strategy going in? seems like the single most important part of a "strategy" discussion is having a strategy.Rover - the above post has ANALYSIS and REASONING at each pick - and NOWHERE does MoP say "how'd I do??"You want to comment -fine.OK, so I thought it might be a good idea to share some real world drafting and not just theory. The league I drafted in this weekend is pretty normal, 1PPR, 6 pts All TD, performance/TD combo the rest of the way. I will show you who I took and what other players were on the board around those picks. This league is not a total shark league. I make no apologies for that however about 4-6 of us contribute either threads here, internet podcasts, and articles as guests on other sites that we need not mention in the forum.
We certainly have a few guys that take rather interesting picks...I'm sure many of you play in leagues like that as well. The emphasis will not be in the exact players themselves but overall team strength at the end, give you a good idea what your facing.
1QB/1RB/2WR/1Flex/1TE/1Def/1PK
1.04 Clinton Portis RB: It can be argued that in a PPR league that barber may have been the pick but I like the situation Portis is in and a
another small factor is the notion that if Portis went down, I have no problem playing Ladell betts....let's hope I lock him up later.
2.09 Torry Holt WR: Somtimes you just get lucky. Guy ahead of me took marvin harrison...Holt was the #6 WR off the board in our league. Smith, Fitz, Johnson, TO, Harrison in that order. I thought about a RB but when you can grab a WR that can possibly end the season as the FF#1WR I think you bite down. Peyton manning was selected earlier in the draft, quite a few back and then there was a WR run...I really didn't want to see Holt paired with LJ, Shaun, or LT as I will be facing all of these teams twice during the season.
3.04 DeShaun Foster RB: I may have jumped the gun a bit here, however I think the combo of he Williams and Foster can provide top10-15 in the stats dept and at thi spoint in the draft that's a good thing. The real key is getting Williams to back him up. I was not optimistic that I could take Williams in the 8th round like his ADP so I will have to plan on reaching for him a bit.
The 3rd round pick is probably the most difficult for the #4 slot. You have to anticipate that a lot of RB will be off the board by the time it circles back around to you. Also guys like Chambers, Wayne, etc...those option are there if you want to go that route but I am hard pressed to find a major difference in them and maybe 20 more WR after them. I only have to field 1 RB in this league but we all know how lethal a RB in the flex can be.
4.09 Warrick Dunn RB: I am only asking him to be a bye week filler att his point...maybe early to grab that but Dunn is proven to be top20-25 and sometimes even higher over the past several seasons on a team that loves to run the football. If he can produce 1200 total yds, and 5-6 TD that's fine. Not many WR are going to give you at this point in the draft.
There were a lot of WR that went in the 3rd/4th and I would have take Donal Driver here but he went off the board 2 picks before me. I also was gambling that a WR I like would be there for me on the way back in the 5th. Because we play 6 pts Pass TD there was also starting to be a momentum for QBs...something that was exciting to me as I would be one of the last to grab one in the draft.
5.04 Derrick Mason WR: The WR were starting to fly off the board a little faster than I had anticipated. because of the flex there was a 3WR set mentality for a couple of the owners...but this lead to some RB falling to later rounds. The dropff from a Mason down to a Eddie kennison may not seem like much to some of you but I see big things from him this season and I am committed to this new passing game of baltimore...pounding it out hasn't worked for a long time there and maybe Billick can inject some life into this offense. Mason was an 80 catch/1200yds/7-9TD a season guy with mcNair and I am anticipating a return to that.
6.09 Ron Dayne RB: This is going to either be a steal or a real waste if these Mike Bell reports start panning out, but I think Dayne will be in the mix. I think there is trade value with Dayne too. It's amazing what 1 report can do to make you rethink your draft a bit.
7.04 DeAngelo Williams RB: I felt I had to take him here...and about 6 owners piped up they would have taken him on the way down in the 7th or up in the 8th...again i probably would not have landed Foster if I wait till the 4th...and I don't get Williams if I try and ring it out another round to take him. You ahve to be ahead of your buddies when you draft and if that means reaching a round or 2 to lock up who you want then so be it. The Koren Robinsons of the world were going in this round so i felt I didn't miss much.
8.09 Jake Plummer QB: He comes off the board as the 12th QB in my league...I was worried about getting him after a couple of owners started grabbing their QB2...I did not want to end up with a Rothy/Bruynell combo or something weird for waiting too long. I do need a WR3 in a hurry but I feel strong about Plummer when teamed up with another QB that I think have a very favorable pass schedule. I always look forward to Chase Stuart's QBBC article but I tweak that article a bit. What I look for is an established QB with a decent passing offense, and a good schedule. Plummer fit that and he needed to be secured at this point.
9.04 Michael Clayton WR: Remember when he was a 3rd round pick last season? Remember when he tore it up as a rookie? He was hurt all of last season. Galloway had a career like year...he will stretch the field and allow Clayton to work underneath and take off after he catches tha ball, something he is very good at. I wanted Matt Jones but he was taken 2 spots ahead...I also like Clayton and at this point in the draft ot get a guy that could very well post 70-80 catches, 1,000+yds and 5-8TD...this is something you are looking for. I was really looking for guys with upside. Clayton meets the requirements for me.
10.09 LJ Smith TE: Last person to take a TE. Some teams even started grabbing their backups...Ben Watson got snatched up by the Alge Crumpler owner...why? I felt Smith has upside and I didn't want to get stuck with Alex Smith later or something close to that.
11.04 Brett Favre QB: WOW! To get him at this point in the draft...I was a little surprised but look at the pass schedule he and Plummer bring to the table. Especially weeks 14-17 too. Only a couple of rough match ups between the 2 and I think Plummer/Favre is a terrific mid round combo that should be able to produce for almost any team.
12.09 Mark Clayton WR: As my WR4 I see upside with this pick. What if mason doesn't quite pan out as I hope and Clayton becomes the focal point of the passing game? i doubt it with Heap on the field too but I see Clayton making big strides this season for Baltimore. He is a bye week filler for the moment and I have some plans for the later round picks and WR. Troy Williamson ios an example of a WR that went off the board in this round.
13.04 Ladell betts RB: Gotta protect the 1st round investment and I like Betts a lot. I hope he gets his touches as Saunders has said. Portis stand a better chance of holding up the whole season if he is limited to about 17-20 carries a game. I have no fear of betts getting the goal line carries but if something happened to Portis I would feel OK is Betts was going to run the show a couple of weeks. When drafting those RB early try and think about their back ups too. If S.Jackson went down on St Louis, who would succeed him and would they produce? How bout Pittman in TB behind "Cadillac"...I like that situation a lot better than some of the others in the 1st round. Injuries are part of the game, and you can't overlook the likelihood of your RB getting shelved for a few weeks during the season.
14.09 Miami Dolphins Def/ST: Lots of defenses long gone...I like Miami and their chances this season.
15.04 Kevin Curtis WR: Just could not believe he was on the board still. A great back up play for my Holt pick...and if Bruce is down again I may have a starter. My 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks all have their back ups...I am completely happy with how that played out.
16.09 Corey Bradford WR: Starting presently
17.04 Dallas Cowboys Def/ST
18.09 Reche Caldwell WR: I like him preseason last season. he is in camp and getting a lot of reps...I like the upside for an 18th round pick.
19.04 Bobby Engram WR: The best WR8 on any roster in my league...
20.09 R.Longwell PK: Had to take 1 PK and he was the best of what was left.
Guys with the #4 pick, fire away and I'll try and help. Questions, comments, concerns, chime in
You want to read it - fine.
You don't want to read or comment, fine. Skip the thread.
THIS forum is where MoP's post belongs. Sorry you do not see it that way, but it is perfectly acceptable to post what he posted in this forum.
you know it's clutter, but you're allowing it to stay. good for you.
this place continues to go downhill, as it has for the last couple years. can't wait to have the whole place full of ACF threads. I guess I should go check out the free membership to 4for4 that FFTOC spammed me with. Thanks, FBG's.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
He was.So now, in a PPR, start-2 WR league, I am pretty well set up 5-deep with Branch, RSmith, Mason, Porter and Toomer.Is toomer still there? OK - back in a minute.It's your pick (rd 13)!
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
If you do not want to read this thread, then please go ahead and stop reading it.Either way, please stop complaining - or send me a PM. Your complaints in this thread are the yellow liquid floating in the Pool right now - whatever else is being discussed here is not pissing in the pool. Thanks in advance for maintaining your composure and not "raining on our parade" any further.
H-Town Rookie
Footballguy
I disagree. I actually am drafting from the 4th spot and found the post very helpful. I don't agree with every pick but nonetheless found it quite enlightening.
Sometimes people agree to disagree.
ROOK
Sometimes people agree to disagree.
ROOK
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
There is nothing wrong with a discussion of how to draft from a particular draft spot.
In this case, MoP has given us his blueprint from a real draft, not just a mock.
This certainly seems relevant to many FBGs, so it stays.
In this case, MoP has given us his blueprint from a real draft, not just a mock.
This certainly seems relevant to many FBGs, so it stays.
If you see a thread that you think belongs in the AC forum, feel free to use the report function and we'll take a look. This thread belongs in the Shark Pool, however. The difference between this thread and an ACF thread is that the original poster offered his own thoughts rather than (or in addition to) asking for advice from others.If someone asks whom he should draft at 1.01, that's an ACF thread.But if someone asks whom he should draft at 1.01, says that he's currently leaning toward Tomlinson for reasons X,Y, and Z, but has concerns that maybe Larry Johnson would be the better pick because of reasons G, M, and W, that's a shark pool thread.The difference is in the effort that the original poster put into his post, and his willingness to share his own thoughts rather than just asking a question and hanging up.
Gopher State
Footballguy
I think you went to early on Foster, drafts I seen have him going later. I like the Dunn pick, and actually think he will out perform Foster. You will have to wait and see at QB, but it might work out. Overall, not a bad team.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Thanks Gopher, one of the challenges in drafting your team and your slot is where to take certain players. I wanted the Carolina RB spot as I think they are a complete offense this season and should produce a lot of yds and points. If I wait till the 4th round with the 4.09 pick he is likely gone. So sometimes we have to reach a bit in order to secure who we want...otherwise we end up taking what others are dictating to us by their picks.Gopher State said:
Bovine Swami
Footballguy
My draft from the 4 spot is coming up on the 30th and my league is VERY similar, with the only difference being that we can flex any position, including a QB. We have 2 noobs in the league and 4 sharks out of 12 teams so the draft might be a bit unpredictable. I am hoping to go with the following;
RD1 Portis - love him this year with more weapons at WR and OC Saunders. I don't like Tiki for a couple of reasons. He is getting old and eventually he has to stop being a stud RB. I think this is the year, partly due to the Giant's insistence that Jacob's vulture as many TDs as he can.
RD2 Gates - had him last year when we were 2ppr for TE (now 1ppr this year) and I firmly believe he is going to be one big security blanket for a young QB. If he is here at this point he's mine because I know he won't be there in RD3 as the guy with the #1 pick is going to take him after LJ. I will avoid drating Gonzo at all costs this year because I think he is going to be a HUGE bust. When Roaf was out last year Gonzo disappeared. Now Roaf has retired, they lost their blocking FB, and they switched to a very conservative HC and OC. Add that all up and Gonzo will be spending a lot of time with his head down blocking. If Gates isn't availble here I will probably sit on TE for a bit and hope for Watson, LJ Smith, or Winslow later on.
RD3 Top WR - Which ever WR is at the top of the board is mine here. I really, really hope that Driver is the guy still here. With the questions at RB for the Packers this year (meaning a lot of RBBC) I see Favre slining for all he is worth. The departure of Walker leaves Driver and a bunch of nobodys to catch all those balls.
RD4 C Taylor or Droughnes - With the addition of a great blocking fullback, an aging QB, decent O-line, and a conservative HC in Minn I really think Taylor is going to put up good numbers. He seems to have improved greatly in camp so far. I think Droughnes is a bit shakier giving the brand-new center and overall suspect O-line. I don't like McGahee here because everything in Buffalo stinks this year. I would rather have a non-flashy dependable guy at this spot than someone who might have a couple big games.
RD5 Top WR - Last year I didn't grab a WR until RD 5 and ended up with A. Johnson, Branch, Jimmy Smith, Lloyd which were very serviceable. I like Mason this year if he is still here. I think that as the season goes on you will see the "true offensive expert" in Billick that we have been hearing every 5 minutes actually come out and play this year. He has an actual QB this year that can make decision and handle a full playbook instead of a ####### with an arm.
That is about all the draft I can plan out given the diverse makeup of our owners. The real problem I am struggling with is whether I am going to hamstring myself by not having 2 good QBs so I can flex one. I have always been a fan of QBBC (last year had Brunell/Vick/Leftwich) in the past. This year I am considering grabbing what I consider to be a good 2nd Tier QB (Bledsoe/Plummer/McNabb) around RD 5-6 and then QBBC for the flex spot (Warner/Rivers) in RD 8-10.
If I can manage to pull all this off I can already taste the victory milk once again :IBTL:
RD1 Portis - love him this year with more weapons at WR and OC Saunders. I don't like Tiki for a couple of reasons. He is getting old and eventually he has to stop being a stud RB. I think this is the year, partly due to the Giant's insistence that Jacob's vulture as many TDs as he can.
RD2 Gates - had him last year when we were 2ppr for TE (now 1ppr this year) and I firmly believe he is going to be one big security blanket for a young QB. If he is here at this point he's mine because I know he won't be there in RD3 as the guy with the #1 pick is going to take him after LJ. I will avoid drating Gonzo at all costs this year because I think he is going to be a HUGE bust. When Roaf was out last year Gonzo disappeared. Now Roaf has retired, they lost their blocking FB, and they switched to a very conservative HC and OC. Add that all up and Gonzo will be spending a lot of time with his head down blocking. If Gates isn't availble here I will probably sit on TE for a bit and hope for Watson, LJ Smith, or Winslow later on.
RD3 Top WR - Which ever WR is at the top of the board is mine here. I really, really hope that Driver is the guy still here. With the questions at RB for the Packers this year (meaning a lot of RBBC) I see Favre slining for all he is worth. The departure of Walker leaves Driver and a bunch of nobodys to catch all those balls.
RD4 C Taylor or Droughnes - With the addition of a great blocking fullback, an aging QB, decent O-line, and a conservative HC in Minn I really think Taylor is going to put up good numbers. He seems to have improved greatly in camp so far. I think Droughnes is a bit shakier giving the brand-new center and overall suspect O-line. I don't like McGahee here because everything in Buffalo stinks this year. I would rather have a non-flashy dependable guy at this spot than someone who might have a couple big games.
RD5 Top WR - Last year I didn't grab a WR until RD 5 and ended up with A. Johnson, Branch, Jimmy Smith, Lloyd which were very serviceable. I like Mason this year if he is still here. I think that as the season goes on you will see the "true offensive expert" in Billick that we have been hearing every 5 minutes actually come out and play this year. He has an actual QB this year that can make decision and handle a full playbook instead of a ####### with an arm.
That is about all the draft I can plan out given the diverse makeup of our owners. The real problem I am struggling with is whether I am going to hamstring myself by not having 2 good QBs so I can flex one. I have always been a fan of QBBC (last year had Brunell/Vick/Leftwich) in the past. This year I am considering grabbing what I consider to be a good 2nd Tier QB (Bledsoe/Plummer/McNabb) around RD 5-6 and then QBBC for the flex spot (Warner/Rivers) in RD 8-10.
If I can manage to pull all this off I can already taste the victory milk once again :IBTL:
barndog
Father of Two
They have not been lasting in that long in mocks I've done from the 4th spot.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
"Expert" mock almost done, full draft with commentary. Footbalguys.com (me) drafted from the 4-hole:
http://www.draftcandy.com/draft/mock_draft.asp
My team =
QB: Peyton Manning, Rivers
RB: Tiki, KJones, TBell, MBell
WR: DMason, RSmith, DBranch, AToomer, JPorter
TE: BWatson, RMcMichael
K: JFeely
D: Bal. D
I have one pick left and LBetts keeps sliding. I'm def. taking a RB longshot.
http://www.draftcandy.com/draft/mock_draft.asp
My team =
QB: Peyton Manning, Rivers
RB: Tiki, KJones, TBell, MBell
WR: DMason, RSmith, DBranch, AToomer, JPorter
TE: BWatson, RMcMichael
K: JFeely
D: Bal. D
I have one pick left and LBetts keeps sliding. I'm def. taking a RB longshot.
Reaper
Footballguy
Isn't the Portis Owner holding his breath right now for Betts and picking right before you?
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
No way. Really?
Wingnut
Footballguy
Not bad, but Im not particularly fond of your WR corps. Manning gives you an edge at the QB position, Tiki and KJ are a nice RB duo, I like the TEs, etc...Mason and Rod Smith as my WR 1-2 punch wouldnt excite me too much. Mason will get alot of looks from McNair, but with Heap and an up and coming Clayton I just dont see alot of TDs from Derrick. As for Rod Smith, I see him as a good WR2, but only if I had a top 12 WR1 ahead of him.
Being an "expert" draft I guess you have to deal with having one position where you dont have a true STUD, but Ill go check out the draft and see what was available as your picks came up.
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
Good to see you drank the Rivers kool-aid, even if MT has to force feed it down your throat
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
Not sure if anyone's mentioned this, but in a 1RB/1FLX league, taking 3 RBs in the first 4 rounds, and 4 RBs in the first 6 seems like a disastrous strategy.OK, so I thought it might be a good idea to share some real world drafting and not just theory. The league I drafted in this weekend is pretty normal, 1PPR, 6 pts All TD, performance/TD combo the rest of the way. I will show you who I took and what other players were on the board around those picks. This league is not a total shark league. I make no apologies for that however about 4-6 of us contribute either threads here, internet podcasts, and articles as guests on other sites that we need not mention in the forum.
We certainly have a few guys that take rather interesting picks...I'm sure many of you play in leagues like that as well. The emphasis will not be in the exact players themselves but overall team strength at the end, give you a good idea what your facing.
1QB/1RB/2WR/1Flex/1TE/1Def/1PK
1.04 Clinton Portis RB: It can be argued that in a PPR league that barber may have been the pick but I like the situation Portis is in and a
another small factor is the notion that if Portis went down, I have no problem playing Ladell betts....let's hope I lock him up later.
2.09 Torry Holt WR: Somtimes you just get lucky. Guy ahead of me took marvin harrison...Holt was the #6 WR off the board in our league. Smith, Fitz, Johnson, TO, Harrison in that order. I thought about a RB but when you can grab a WR that can possibly end the season as the FF#1WR I think you bite down. Peyton manning was selected earlier in the draft, quite a few back and then there was a WR run...I really didn't want to see Holt paired with LJ, Shaun, or LT as I will be facing all of these teams twice during the season.
3.04 DeShaun Foster RB: I may have jumped the gun a bit here, however I think the combo of he Williams and Foster can provide top10-15 in the stats dept and at thi spoint in the draft that's a good thing. The real key is getting Williams to back him up. I was not optimistic that I could take Williams in the 8th round like his ADP so I will have to plan on reaching for him a bit.
The 3rd round pick is probably the most difficult for the #4 slot. You have to anticipate that a lot of RB will be off the board by the time it circles back around to you. Also guys like Chambers, Wayne, etc...those option are there if you want to go that route but I am hard pressed to find a major difference in them and maybe 20 more WR after them. I only have to field 1 RB in this league but we all know how lethal a RB in the flex can be.
4.09 Warrick Dunn RB: I am only asking him to be a bye week filler att his point...maybe early to grab that but Dunn is proven to be top20-25 and sometimes even higher over the past several seasons on a team that loves to run the football. If he can produce 1200 total yds, and 5-6 TD that's fine. Not many WR are going to give you at this point in the draft.
There were a lot of WR that went in the 3rd/4th and I would have take Donal Driver here but he went off the board 2 picks before me. I also was gambling that a WR I like would be there for me on the way back in the 5th. Because we play 6 pts Pass TD there was also starting to be a momentum for QBs...something that was exciting to me as I would be one of the last to grab one in the draft.
5.04 Derrick Mason WR: The WR were starting to fly off the board a little faster than I had anticipated. because of the flex there was a 3WR set mentality for a couple of the owners...but this lead to some RB falling to later rounds. The dropff from a Mason down to a Eddie kennison may not seem like much to some of you but I see big things from him this season and I am committed to this new passing game of baltimore...pounding it out hasn't worked for a long time there and maybe Billick can inject some life into this offense. Mason was an 80 catch/1200yds/7-9TD a season guy with mcNair and I am anticipating a return to that.
6.09 Ron Dayne RB: This is going to either be a steal or a real waste if these Mike Bell reports start panning out, but I think Dayne will be in the mix. I think there is trade value with Dayne too. It's amazing what 1 report can do to make you rethink your draft a bit.
7.04 DeAngelo Williams RB: I felt I had to take him here...and about 6 owners piped up they would have taken him on the way down in the 7th or up in the 8th...again i probably would not have landed Foster if I wait till the 4th...and I don't get Williams if I try and ring it out another round to take him. You ahve to be ahead of your buddies when you draft and if that means reaching a round or 2 to lock up who you want then so be it. The Koren Robinsons of the world were going in this round so i felt I didn't miss much.
8.09 Jake Plummer QB: He comes off the board as the 12th QB in my league...I was worried about getting him after a couple of owners started grabbing their QB2...I did not want to end up with a Rothy/Bruynell combo or something weird for waiting too long. I do need a WR3 in a hurry but I feel strong about Plummer when teamed up with another QB that I think have a very favorable pass schedule. I always look forward to Chase Stuart's QBBC article but I tweak that article a bit. What I look for is an established QB with a decent passing offense, and a good schedule. Plummer fit that and he needed to be secured at this point.
9.04 Michael Clayton WR: Remember when he was a 3rd round pick last season? Remember when he tore it up as a rookie? He was hurt all of last season. Galloway had a career like year...he will stretch the field and allow Clayton to work underneath and take off after he catches tha ball, something he is very good at. I wanted Matt Jones but he was taken 2 spots ahead...I also like Clayton and at this point in the draft ot get a guy that could very well post 70-80 catches, 1,000+yds and 5-8TD...this is something you are looking for. I was really looking for guys with upside. Clayton meets the requirements for me.
10.09 LJ Smith TE: Last person to take a TE. Some teams even started grabbing their backups...Ben Watson got snatched up by the Alge Crumpler owner...why? I felt Smith has upside and I didn't want to get stuck with Alex Smith later or something close to that.
11.04 Brett Favre QB: WOW! To get him at this point in the draft...I was a little surprised but look at the pass schedule he and Plummer bring to the table. Especially weeks 14-17 too. Only a couple of rough match ups between the 2 and I think Plummer/Favre is a terrific mid round combo that should be able to produce for almost any team.
12.09 Mark Clayton WR: As my WR4 I see upside with this pick. What if mason doesn't quite pan out as I hope and Clayton becomes the focal point of the passing game? i doubt it with Heap on the field too but I see Clayton making big strides this season for Baltimore. He is a bye week filler for the moment and I have some plans for the later round picks and WR. Troy Williamson ios an example of a WR that went off the board in this round.
13.04 Ladell betts RB: Gotta protect the 1st round investment and I like Betts a lot. I hope he gets his touches as Saunders has said. Portis stand a better chance of holding up the whole season if he is limited to about 17-20 carries a game. I have no fear of betts getting the goal line carries but if something happened to Portis I would feel OK is Betts was going to run the show a couple of weeks. When drafting those RB early try and think about their back ups too. If S.Jackson went down on St Louis, who would succeed him and would they produce? How bout Pittman in TB behind "Cadillac"...I like that situation a lot better than some of the others in the 1st round. Injuries are part of the game, and you can't overlook the likelihood of your RB getting shelved for a few weeks during the season.
14.09 Miami Dolphins Def/ST: Lots of defenses long gone...I like Miami and their chances this season.
15.04 Kevin Curtis WR: Just could not believe he was on the board still. A great back up play for my Holt pick...and if Bruce is down again I may have a starter. My 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks all have their back ups...I am completely happy with how that played out.
16.09 Corey Bradford WR: Starting presently
17.04 Dallas Cowboys Def/ST
18.09 Reche Caldwell WR: I like him preseason last season. he is in camp and getting a lot of reps...I like the upside for an 18th round pick.
19.04 Bobby Engram WR: The best WR8 on any roster in my league...
20.09 R.Longwell PK: Had to take 1 PK and he was the best of what was left.
Guys with the #4 pick, fire away and I'll try and help. Questions, comments, concerns, chime in.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Fair point Scotty but with the injury to Portis, I sure feel a lot better with at least some depth and the back up. I view the flex as nothing more than a RB2 spot. If you have a good RB2 for the flex, you are gonna kick butt against a WR from the other team most weeks.
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
I agree that you should get a solid RB2, but I would think in this format RBs would slip more than in leagues where you must start 2 RBs. That would make me even more wary of reaching on RBs (like Foster)
Mmen of Steel
Footballguy
As a fellow #4, I'd LOVE to see a roster like this.
There is no way that Peyton falls to the 2nd rd, let alone the 3rd. Not in my league.
I have to make the choice of Tiki vs Peyton in the 1st.
Kevin Jones should fall in to me in the 2nd
Then I am left to pick a lower level RB (Chester Taylor) or a high gread WR (Ward, Wayne) in the 3rd.
I am thinking about taking Peyton high and hoping that some mid-level RBs step up their play.
This is a great thread, and I think each draft spot should get it's own "pinned" spot on the board.
The 4spot isn't easy this year, and I am glad we have a "support group" here at FBG.
