The Chris Johnson Hype machine (3 Viewers)

[flufhed]

Some bitter Lendale White owners in this thread.

I own both LW and CJ, so personally I don't care who gets a bigger share of the offense. Worst case scenario for me is a 50-50 split, but if it happens, so be it.

Me, too.Just trying to edumacate the folks in here on Fisherball.

 

[flufhed]

White certainly doesn't have elite fantasy RB1 potential (2K yards) but you are underestimating his upside. I believe that Chris Johnson does improve the Titans' offense, and VY can't get any worse. White can get 300/1200 and 20/150 with double digit TDs this year, with Johnson getting 100 - 150 carries and 50 catches. Johnson and White each make the other guy better here. PPR slants things more in CJs favor, of course, but likely just enough to draw even with White. White really wasn't that bad last year. He wasn't great, but he was banged up all year, and still had a pretty solid year despite constantly facing eight in the box. He certainly didn't totally suck.

So you think his rushing yards, receptions, receiving yards and TD's will go up with CJ there?

Everything but receiving yards.See Deuce the year Reggie Bush was drafted.

 

[flufhed]

Jeff Fisher isn't a guy that blows smoke. We don't have any reason to doubt what he's saying here.

 

[baconisgood]

White certainly doesn't have elite fantasy RB1 potential (2K yards) but you are underestimating his upside. I believe that Chris Johnson does improve the Titans' offense, and VY can't get any worse. White can get 300/1200 and 20/150 with double digit TDs this year, with Johnson getting 100 - 150 carries and 50 catches. Johnson and White each make the other guy better here. PPR slants things more in CJs favor, of course, but likely just enough to draw even with White. White really wasn't that bad last year. He wasn't great, but he was banged up all year, and still had a pretty solid year despite constantly facing eight in the box. He certainly didn't totally suck.

So you think his rushing yards, receptions, receiving yards and TD's will go up with CJ there?

One thing i am interested in seeing is how, in light of Fisher stating there will be a 50/50 or at most 60/40 split, they project out as such:

24 LenDale White 250 rush for 958 --and-- 13 rec for 77 yds (263 total touches) (60% of touches)

34 Chris Johnson 135 rush for 555 --and-- 39 rec for 304 yds (174 Total Touches) (40% of touches)

Dodds has them on hte extreme end of what Fisher has implied. Personally, I'd be surprised if CJ didn't see a larger percentage of the rushing attempts than that. Not MUCH larger but I could see more of a 230/160 split. I avoided White in every league and scored CJ in two (so I'm obviously biased) but IMO White is no better than a below average RB2 or decent RB3 this year.

If CJ continues to post much better numbers I just don't see how they're going to keep him off the field in favor of the far less impressive White.

When you consider Dodds projections here, a couple of things jump out at me.1) The trio of White, Brown and Henry combined for 436 carries in 2007. I could see Henry being relagated to the inactive list most if not all Sunday sans any injury to White/Johnson. With that said - the overall point is the amount of carries being predicted for this duo seems low.

I don't think its unreasonable to assume that Henry gets the same number of touches as 2007, he was only active for 7 games and had 31 rushes and 6 receptions. That leaves 400+ carries for CJ and Lendale, Dodds is projecting 385 with an additional 13 receptions for the top two duo over last year. Overall touches is only down a little bit. The Titans also added a good TE who has averaged more yards per season than the two TEs combined for last year and their top two receivers are 27 this year adn a marginal improvement from them and VY as a passer could shift a few % of runs to passes.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

It seems you just haven't followed the Titans, and are not well-versed in the ways of "Fisherball."

Many of us have followed the Titans. You know who else has followed the Titans? Nashville Tennessean beat writers, Nashville City Paper beat writers, the Titans announcers (including former Titan Frank Wychek), the Titans coaches, including Jeff Fisher & Mike Heimerdinger, and the Titans players.

On one side, we have flufhed, who has followed the Titans and believes they're perfectly content to pound LenDale for 3.5 yards per carry while their offensive weapons lack any playmaking ability whatsoever . . . much less a single player who can open the field, draw double teams, or change momentum. The Titans keep wasting early round picks on RBs because they absolutely adore what LenDale is giving this team and seek nothing more.

On the other side, we have everybody else connected closely to the Titans who have stated unanimously that Chris Johnson will be a significant part of the offense and will cut into both LenDale White's carries and his production.

LenDale ain't a patch on Eddie George's ####, and the Titans don't want to go 9-7 every year with a one-and-out in the playoffs. They drafted Chris Johnson to get to the next level because they aren't satisfied with the offense as is. Jeff Fisher may be stubborn, but he certainly is not stupid.

 

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It seems you just haven't followed the Titans, and are not well-versed in the ways of "Fisherball."

Many of us have followed the Titans. You know who else has followed the Titans? Nashville Tennessean beat writers, Nashville City Paper beat writers, the Titans announcers (including former Titan Frank Wychek), the Titans coaches, including Jeff Fisher & Mike Heimerdinger, and the Titans players.

On one side, we have flufhed, who has followed the Titans and believes they're perfectly content to pound LenDale for 3.5 yards per carry while their offensive weapons lack any playmaking ability whatsoever . . . much less a single player who can open the field, draw double teams, or change momentum. The Titans keep wasting early round picks on RBs because they absolutely adore what LenDale is giving this team and seek nothing more.

On the other side, we have everybody else connected closely to the Titans who have stated unanimously that Chris Johnson will be a significant part of the offense and will cut into both LenDale White's carries and his production.

LenDale ain't a patch on Eddie George's ####, and the Titans don't want to go 9-7 every year with a one-and-out in the playoffs. They drafted Chris Johnson to get to the next level because they aren't satisfied with the offense as is. Jeff Fisher may be stubborn, but he certainly is not stupid.

 

[JuniorNB]

Hmmmm, I don't know why, but I have an inkling that the 'Chris Johnson 20+ Page Thread' will be the punchline to many many, many Footballguys.com jokes in the years to come.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

They drafted Chris Johnson to get to the next level because they aren't satisfied with the offense as is. Jeff Fisher may be stubborn, but he certainly is not stupid.

Down goes Frazier! Down goes Frazier!

 

[cmv5]

It seems you just haven't followed the Titans, and are not well-versed in the ways of "Fisherball."

Many of us have followed the Titans. You know who else has followed the Titans? Nashville Tennessean beat writers, Nashville City Paper beat writers, the Titans announcers (including former Titan Frank Wychek), the Titans coaches, including Jeff Fisher & Mike Heimerdinger, and the Titans players.

On one side, we have flufhed, who has followed the Titans and believes they're perfectly content to pound LenDale for 3.5 yards per carry while their offensive weapons lack any playmaking ability whatsoever . . . much less a single player who can open the field, draw double teams, or change momentum. The Titans keep wasting early round picks on RBs because they absolutely adore what LenDale is giving this team and seek nothing more.

On the other side, we have everybody else connected closely to the Titans who have stated unanimously that Chris Johnson will be a significant part of the offense and will cut into both LenDale White's carries and his production.

LenDale ain't a patch on Eddie George's ####, and the Titans don't want to go 9-7 every year with a one-and-out in the playoffs. They drafted Chris Johnson to get to the next level because they aren't satisfied with the offense as is. Jeff Fisher may be stubborn, but he certainly is not stupid.

Reggie Bush had more hyperbole thrown his way (well, I don't know anymore) before his first season and his rushing game so far hasn't panned out. The point I am making is that nobody knows for sure how his game will pan out. Will he be a guy that is effective with 250 carries a game? I don't know. Apparently everyone from the Nashville Tennessean, etc. feel that he is the next great thing and they would not be the first hometown paper or beat writer to hype up one of their own. I am from Detroit and I can't believe some of the things that these guys say year after year.

IMO, I feel we have two extreme sides of the coins taking up most of the argument here. Those that predict 200+ carries @ 4.5 or better and 70 receptions and then those who feel he is a complementary back. Personally after hearing a lot of different information, some very persuasive (great article on CJ3 by the way) and keeping an open mind, I am comfortable thinking he will be in the 150-170 range with 40-50 touches, somewhere in-between. This would make him a pretty good value pick.

I think there is nothing wrong with a healthy dose of skepticism regarding Chris Johnson and I also think there is nothing wrong with drafting him ahead of proven guys with little upside as I too am an upside whore. What I think some of the people calling him a can't miss here are not realizing that yes he can miss. Vince Young could be detrimental to his success, Lendale White having a more successful season than last year (a real possibility if we are to believe his knee was screwed up for most of the season), Chris Johnson not having success rushing a la Reggie Bush, etc. Also, just like myself who started to write off his chances as an only complementary back only worth drafting as a high risk gamble, I would suggest those hating on the guy filter through the hype and see that there are some things being said by the right people to in fact suggest that Chris Johnson will be given the opportunity to be used in a major role way.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

LenDale ain't a patch on Eddie George's ####, and the Titans don't want to go 9-7 every year with a one-and-out in the playoffs. They drafted Chris Johnson to get to the next level because they aren't satisfied with the offense as is. Jeff Fisher may be stubborn, but he certainly is not stupid.

He did draft Chris Henry with the same intent and that didn't quite work out. No one knows how the touches are gonna be split. It's a wait and see approach.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Drafted him as my 4th RB in the 9th round. I'm on board.

 

[Burning Sensation]

White certainly doesn't have elite fantasy RB1 potential (2K yards) but you are underestimating his upside. I believe that Chris Johnson does improve the Titans' offense, and VY can't get any worse. White can get 300/1200 and 20/150 with double digit TDs this year, with Johnson getting 100 - 150 carries and 50 catches. Johnson and White each make the other guy better here. PPR slants things more in CJs favor, of course, but likely just enough to draw even with White. White really wasn't that bad last year. He wasn't great, but he was banged up all year, and still had a pretty solid year despite constantly facing eight in the box. He certainly didn't totally suck.

So you think his rushing yards, receptions, receiving yards and TD's will go up with CJ there?

Everything but receiving yards.See Deuce the year Reggie Bush was drafted.

Yeah, i am sure it was difficult to eclipse the totals Deuce put up the year before, considering he only played five games.

 

[flufhed]

It seems you just haven't followed the Titans, and are not well-versed in the ways of "Fisherball."

Many of us have followed the Titans. You know who else has followed the Titans? Nashville Tennessean beat writers, Nashville City Paper beat writers, the Titans announcers (including former Titan Frank Wychek), the Titans coaches, including Jeff Fisher & Mike Heimerdinger, and the Titans players.

On one side, we have flufhed, who has followed the Titans and believes they're perfectly content to pound LenDale for 3.5 yards per carry while their offensive weapons lack any playmaking ability whatsoever . . . much less a single player who can open the field, draw double teams, or change momentum. The Titans keep wasting early round picks on RBs because they absolutely adore what LenDale is giving this team and seek nothing more.

On the other side, we have everybody else connected closely to the Titans who have stated unanimously that Chris Johnson will be a significant part of the offense and will cut into both LenDale White's carries and his production.

LenDale ain't a patch on Eddie George's ####, and the Titans don't want to go 9-7 every year with a one-and-out in the playoffs. They drafted Chris Johnson to get to the next level because they aren't satisfied with the offense as is. Jeff Fisher may be stubborn, but he certainly is not stupid.

We don't disagree as much as you think we do. And I am not sure why you are turning this into some sort of contest here. I am making observations as a fan of this team that has seen almost every game under the Fisher regime. Isn't that what this board is for?All I am saying is that White is undervalued, and Johnson is overvalued.

Johnson will be used - no mistake about it. And there is no doubt that, not only the beat writers, but the team itself is very very excited about this kid and what he can bring to the team. But I think, barring injuries, some of the expectations are way out of line, given the character of this team and its coach.

By the wame token, Lendale White is not gonna be mistaken for anybody's dream, featured RB, but, fat jokes included, the guy's production in terms of yards per carry is very similar to Eddie's. Facts are facts. And Fisher loves this kind of back, and will feed him the rock. Therefore, I think White will exceed expectations.

Again, I think we disagree in degree.

 

[Captain Spaulding]

Drafted him as my 4th RB in the 9th round. I'm on board.

4th RB...best spot to take a flyer on a highly hyped rookie RB. Nice job!

 

[flufhed]

White certainly doesn't have elite fantasy RB1 potential (2K yards) but you are underestimating his upside. I believe that Chris Johnson does improve the Titans' offense, and VY can't get any worse. White can get 300/1200 and 20/150 with double digit TDs this year, with Johnson getting 100 - 150 carries and 50 catches. Johnson and White each make the other guy better here. PPR slants things more in CJs favor, of course, but likely just enough to draw even with White. White really wasn't that bad last year. He wasn't great, but he was banged up all year, and still had a pretty solid year despite constantly facing eight in the box. He certainly didn't totally suck.

So you think his rushing yards, receptions, receiving yards and TD's will go up with CJ there?

Everything but receiving yards.See Deuce the year Reggie Bush was drafted.

Yeah, i am sure it was difficult to eclipse the totals Deuce put up the year before, considering he only played five games.

Obviously, I meant before Deuce went down with injury. Deuce was looking better than he ever had before until he got injured. Why? Moire running lanes opened due to the resence of Reggie Bush.

 

[Burning Sensation]

White certainly doesn't have elite fantasy RB1 potential (2K yards) but you are underestimating his upside. I believe that Chris Johnson does improve the Titans' offense, and VY can't get any worse. White can get 300/1200 and 20/150 with double digit TDs this year, with Johnson getting 100 - 150 carries and 50 catches. Johnson and White each make the other guy better here. PPR slants things more in CJs favor, of course, but likely just enough to draw even with White. White really wasn't that bad last year. He wasn't great, but he was banged up all year, and still had a pretty solid year despite constantly facing eight in the box. He certainly didn't totally suck.

So you think his rushing yards, receptions, receiving yards and TD's will go up with CJ there?

Everything but receiving yards.See Deuce the year Reggie Bush was drafted.

Yeah, i am sure it was difficult to eclipse the totals Deuce put up the year before, considering he only played five games.

Obviously, I meant before Deuce went down with injury. Deuce was looking better than he ever had before until he got injured. Why? Moire running lanes opened due to the resence of Reggie Bush.

Deuce had more rushing and receiving yards in every season before Bush.ETA, Deuce was also a better RB than White will ever be.

 

[flufhed]

I'm done here. Clearly I know nothing about this topic.

Like I said, I drafted both guys, so here's to hoping one of them becomes a clear starter.

 

[big0mar]

CJ will have 170 for 898...plus 300 yds receiving...

 

[Hemi-Colon]

It seems you just haven't followed the Titans, and are not well-versed in the ways of "Fisherball."

Many of us have followed the Titans. You know who else has followed the Titans? Nashville Tennessean beat writers, Nashville City Paper beat writers, the Titans announcers (including former Titan Frank Wychek), the Titans coaches, including Jeff Fisher & Mike Heimerdinger, and the Titans players.

On one side, we have flufhed, who has followed the Titans and believes they're perfectly content to pound LenDale for 3.5 yards per carry while their offensive weapons lack any playmaking ability whatsoever . . . much less a single player who can open the field, draw double teams, or change momentum. The Titans keep wasting early round picks on RBs because they absolutely adore what LenDale is giving this team and seek nothing more.

On the other side, we have everybody else connected closely to the Titans who have stated unanimously that Chris Johnson will be a significant part of the offense and will cut into both LenDale White's carries and his production.

LenDale ain't a patch on Eddie George's ####, and the Titans don't want to go 9-7 every year with a one-and-out in the playoffs. They drafted Chris Johnson to get to the next level because they aren't satisfied with the offense as is. Jeff Fisher may be stubborn, but he certainly is not stupid.

 

[Dexter Manley]

It seems you just haven't followed the Titans, and are not well-versed in the ways of "Fisherball."

Many of us have followed the Titans. You know who else has followed the Titans? Nashville Tennessean beat writers, Nashville City Paper beat writers, the Titans announcers (including former Titan Frank Wychek), the Titans coaches, including Jeff Fisher & Mike Heimerdinger, and the Titans players.

On one side, we have flufhed, who has followed the Titans and believes they're perfectly content to pound LenDale for 3.5 yards per carry while their offensive weapons lack any playmaking ability whatsoever . . . much less a single player who can open the field, draw double teams, or change momentum. The Titans keep wasting early round picks on RBs because they absolutely adore what LenDale is giving this team and seek nothing more.

On the other side, we have everybody else connected closely to the Titans who have stated unanimously that Chris Johnson will be a significant part of the offense and will cut into both LenDale White's carries and his production.

LenDale ain't a patch on Eddie George's ####, and the Titans don't want to go 9-7 every year with a one-and-out in the playoffs. They drafted Chris Johnson to get to the next level because they aren't satisfied with the offense as is. Jeff Fisher may be stubborn, but he certainly is not stupid.

We don't disagree as much as you think we do. And I am not sure why you are turning this into some sort of contest here. I am making observations as a fan of this team that has seen almost every game under the Fisher regime. Isn't that what this board is for?All I am saying is that White is undervalued, and Johnson is overvalued.

Johnson will be used - no mistake about it. And there is no doubt that, not only the beat writers, but the team itself is very very excited about this kid and what he can bring to the team. But I think, barring injuries, some of the expectations are way out of line, given the character of this team and its coach.

By the wame token, Lendale White is not gonna be mistaken for anybody's dream, featured RB, but, fat jokes included, the guy's production in terms of yards per carry is very similar to Eddie's. Facts are facts. And Fisher loves this kind of back, and will feed him the rock. Therefore, I think White will exceed expectations.

Again, I think we disagree in degree.

Chris Johnson is not overvalued. He's been going in the 8th round on average last I checked, which is prime RB3 territory. I think it's pretty clear that his floor is a RB3 this season, so you can argue he's not a value pick if you want, but to claim he's overvalued is quite wrong.WRT Lendale, I got him late one draft (7th round), and saw him taken way too early (3rd round) in another. Most guppies have no clue about CJ, so they're likely to take Lendale too early. Meanwhile, many CJ enthusiasts are completely discounting Lendale, claiming he has no value, and thus they are avoiding him in drafts even when he falls to a spot where he has good value.

I'll tell you this much, I'll be shocked if Lendale doesn't end up with at least 1000 yards rushing. He's got value. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see White and Johnson both put up RB2 #'s this season.

 

[MDSkinner]

I think it's pretty clear that his floor is a RB3 this season, so you can argue he's not a value pick if you want, but to claim he's overvalued is quite wrong.

It is not clear to me that his floor is RB3. He has not played a single down in a regular season NFL game, I have no clue what his floor is but certainly it could be lower than a decent RB3.

That said, I think he is worth taking a shot at in the 8th round anyway, which as you point out is where he is falling to.

 

[RBM]

I think it's pretty clear that his floor is a RB3 this season

Ha, clear to who?

 

[NajehHejan]

Let's have some preseason fun. This isn't actually much of a stretch, because the Titans played their starters through the 3rd quarter.

1 point per 25 yards rushing

1 point per 25 yards receiving

6 points per TD (rushing or receiving)

1 point per reception

Lendale White

Rush 16-55-0

Rec 0-0-0

16 touches for 55 yards = 3.4 yards/touch

Fantasy points = 2

Chris Johnson

Rush 8-24-1

Rec 4-46-0

12 touches for 68 yards = 5.7 yards/touch

Fantasy points = 11

Touch split = 57% White / 43% CJ

Which way do you see it going?

 

[Frank Black]

Let's have some preseason fun. This isn't actually much of a stretch, because the Titans played their starters through the 3rd quarter.1 point per 25 yards rushing1 point per 25 yards receiving6 points per TD (rushing or receiving)1 point per receptionLendale WhiteRush 16-55-0Rec 0-0-016 touches for 55 yards = 3.4 yards/touchFantasy points = 2Chris JohnsonRush 8-24-1Rec 4-46-012 touches for 68 yards = 5.7 yards/touchFantasy points = 11Touch split = 57% White / 43% CJWhich way do you see it going?

That's not even preseason fun. It is pure speculation about regular season hopes.

 

[Routilla]

CJ is looking like a possible difference maker for those who drafted him. That includes me.

 

[bucsbaby]

Me too, gotta love the goalline carry tonight

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

any info from game?

 

[Wally Cleaver]

Anyone watch the game and see how he looked tonight? The end of game stats werent overly impressive but I realize that does not always tell the whole story...

How did CJ look? Lendale?

 

[ForWhoForWhat]

Anyone watch the game and see how he looked tonight? The end of game stats werent overly impressive but I realize that does not always tell the whole story...How did CJ look? Lendale?

Very interested in this info too.Was White pulled at the GL for Johnson, or was Johnson already in the game? I'm assuming the latter. Did they alternate series, or alternate within drives?

 

[hotlanta]

I'll tell you this much, I'll be shocked if Lendale doesn't end up with at least 1000 yards rushing. He's got value. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see White and Johnson both put up RB2 #'s this season.

I agree. I think they both will carry value this year. There are so many carries/touches to go around in the TENN scheme. I actually own both of them. This is turning into another Jacksonville backfield where both Taylor and MJD are starting RB2s in fantasy.

 

[sho nuff]

I would temper what the titans did last night as they played starters into the 3rd quarter and GB pulled theirs in the 1st quarter.

That and Hawk, Harris, Woodson, Pickett were all out last night from the starting defense at least.

Young made a nice move on Barnett though near the sideline to pick up some extra yards.

 

[J R]

Was White pulled at the GL for Johnson, or was Johnson already in the game? I'm assuming the latter. Did they alternate series, or alternate within drives?

Tennessee Titans at 15:002-M.Crosby kicks 70 yards from GB 30 to end zone, Touchback.1-10-TEN 20 (15:00) 25-L.White left guard to TEN 22 for 2 yards (59-T.White, 52-A.Hodge).2-8-TEN 22 (14:24) 5-K.Collins FUMBLES (Aborted) at TEN 22, and recovers at TEN 20. 5-K.Collins to TEN 20 for no gain (93-C.Bolston).3-10-TEN 20 (13:44) (Shotgun) 5-K.Collins pass short left to 81-B.Jones pushed ob at TEN 31 for 11 yards (41-S.Babers).1-10-TEN 31 (13:15) 25-L.White left end to TEN 32 for 1 yard (93-C.Bolston).2-9-TEN 32 (12:38) 5-K.Collins pass short right to 19-J.McCareins to GB 48 for 20 yards (29-T.Culver).1-10-GB 48 (11:55) 25-L.White left end to GB 36 for 12 yards (59-T.White).1-10-GB 36 (11:19) 25-L.White left end to GB 31 for 5 yards (57-J.Hunter).2-5-GB 31 (10:39) 5-K.Collins left end pushed ob at GB 25 for 6 yards (22-P.Lee).1-10-GB 25 (10:05) 5-K.Collins pass short right to 28-C.Johnson to GB 16 for 9 yards (52-A.Hodge).2-1-GB 16 (9:26) 28-C.Johnson left end to GB 16 for no gain (55-D.Bishop, 59-T.White).3-1-GB 16 (8:51) 25-L.White left end to GB 18 for -2 yards (52-A.Hodge, 40-J.Porter).4-3-GB 18 (8:07) 5-K.Collins pass short left to 28-C.Johnson to GB 5 for 13 yards (24-J.Bush).1-5-GB 5 (7:41) 28-C.Johnson left tackle to GB 1 for 4 yards (59-T.White).2-1-GB 1 (7:03) 28-C.Johnson right tackle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

 

[ForWhoForWhat]

Was White pulled at the GL for Johnson, or was Johnson already in the game? I'm assuming the latter. Did they alternate series, or alternate within drives?

Tennessee Titans at 15:002-M.Crosby kicks 70 yards from GB 30 to end zone, Touchback.1-10-TEN 20 (15:00) 25-L.White left guard to TEN 22 for 2 yards (59-T.White, 52-A.Hodge).2-8-TEN 22 (14:24) 5-K.Collins FUMBLES (Aborted) at TEN 22, and recovers at TEN 20. 5-K.Collins to TEN 20 for no gain (93-C.Bolston).3-10-TEN 20 (13:44) (Shotgun) 5-K.Collins pass short left to 81-B.Jones pushed ob at TEN 31 for 11 yards (41-S.Babers).1-10-TEN 31 (13:15) 25-L.White left end to TEN 32 for 1 yard (93-C.Bolston).2-9-TEN 32 (12:38) 5-K.Collins pass short right to 19-J.McCareins to GB 48 for 20 yards (29-T.Culver).1-10-GB 48 (11:55) 25-L.White left end to GB 36 for 12 yards (59-T.White).1-10-GB 36 (11:19) 25-L.White left end to GB 31 for 5 yards (57-J.Hunter).2-5-GB 31 (10:39) 5-K.Collins left end pushed ob at GB 25 for 6 yards (22-P.Lee).1-10-GB 25 (10:05) 5-K.Collins pass short right to 28-C.Johnson to GB 16 for 9 yards (52-A.Hodge).2-1-GB 16 (9:26) 28-C.Johnson left end to GB 16 for no gain (55-D.Bishop, 59-T.White).3-1-GB 16 (8:51) 25-L.White left end to GB 18 for -2 yards (52-A.Hodge, 40-J.Porter).4-3-GB 18 (8:07) 5-K.Collins pass short left to 28-C.Johnson to GB 5 for 13 yards (24-J.Bush).1-5-GB 5 (7:41) 28-C.Johnson left tackle to GB 1 for 4 yards (59-T.White).2-1-GB 1 (7:03) 28-C.Johnson right tackle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

Very interesting, thanks. Johnson got the call at the GL. Sweet.

 

[Garts]

Was White pulled at the GL for Johnson, or was Johnson already in the game? I'm assuming the latter. Did they alternate series, or alternate within drives?

Tennessee Titans at 15:002-M.Crosby kicks 70 yards from GB 30 to end zone, Touchback.1-10-TEN 20 (15:00) 25-L.White left guard to TEN 22 for 2 yards (59-T.White, 52-A.Hodge).2-8-TEN 22 (14:24) 5-K.Collins FUMBLES (Aborted) at TEN 22, and recovers at TEN 20. 5-K.Collins to TEN 20 for no gain (93-C.Bolston).3-10-TEN 20 (13:44) (Shotgun) 5-K.Collins pass short left to 81-B.Jones pushed ob at TEN 31 for 11 yards (41-S.Babers).1-10-TEN 31 (13:15) 25-L.White left end to TEN 32 for 1 yard (93-C.Bolston).2-9-TEN 32 (12:38) 5-K.Collins pass short right to 19-J.McCareins to GB 48 for 20 yards (29-T.Culver).1-10-GB 48 (11:55) 25-L.White left end to GB 36 for 12 yards (59-T.White).1-10-GB 36 (11:19) 25-L.White left end to GB 31 for 5 yards (57-J.Hunter).2-5-GB 31 (10:39) 5-K.Collins left end pushed ob at GB 25 for 6 yards (22-P.Lee).1-10-GB 25 (10:05) 5-K.Collins pass short right to 28-C.Johnson to GB 16 for 9 yards (52-A.Hodge).2-1-GB 16 (9:26) 28-C.Johnson left end to GB 16 for no gain (55-D.Bishop, 59-T.White).3-1-GB 16 (8:51) 25-L.White left end to GB 18 for -2 yards (52-A.Hodge, 40-J.Porter).4-3-GB 18 (8:07) 5-K.Collins pass short left to 28-C.Johnson to GB 5 for 13 yards (24-J.Bush).1-5-GB 5 (7:41) 28-C.Johnson left tackle to GB 1 for 4 yards (59-T.White).2-1-GB 1 (7:03) 28-C.Johnson right tackle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

Very interesting, thanks. Johnson got the call at the GL. Sweet.

On the one 2nd and 1 CJ couldn't get the 1st, so Lendale came in on an obvious short yardage run on 3rd and 1 and lost 2 yards.So who really knows what is going on, but good to see CJ get the GL carry and score.

 

[big0mar]

The rushing total for Vince Young is what impressed me the most. If they are using CJ effectively, its going to benefit VY's rushing more than anything.

 

[sholditch]

I would temper what the titans did last night as they played starters into the 3rd quarter and GB pulled theirs in the 1st quarter.That and Hawk, Harris, Woodson, Pickett were all out last night from the starting defense at least.Young made a nice move on Barnett though near the sideline to pick up some extra yards.

So CJ averaged 3ypc running behind a starting Oline and against third-string defenders? Ouch.

 

[sho nuff]

I would temper what the titans did last night as they played starters into the 3rd quarter and GB pulled theirs in the 1st quarter.That and Hawk, Harris, Woodson, Pickett were all out last night from the starting defense at least.Young made a nice move on Barnett though near the sideline to pick up some extra yards.

So CJ averaged 3ypc running behind a starting Oline and against third-string defenders? Ouch.

Somewhat...there is not that much depth that it would be 3rd stringers everywhere.Mostly 2nd string LBs, some 2nd and 3rd string DL, and I have no clue on some of the DBs...my favorite current Packer name...until he gets cut was in there...Scorpio Babers.

 

[flufhed]

The rushing total for Vince Young is what impressed me the most. If they are using CJ effectively, its going to benefit VY's rushing more than anything.

 

[billsfan8282]

Chris Johnson should have been McCain's choice for VP

 

[brednbuddah]

Was White pulled at the GL for Johnson, or was Johnson already in the game? I'm assuming the latter. Did they alternate series, or alternate within drives?

Tennessee Titans at 15:002-M.Crosby kicks 70 yards from GB 30 to end zone, Touchback.

1-10-TEN 20 (15:00) 25-L.White left guard to TEN 22 for 2 yards (59-T.White, 52-A.Hodge).

2-8-TEN 22 (14:24) 5-K.Collins FUMBLES (Aborted) at TEN 22, and recovers at TEN 20. 5-K.Collins to TEN 20 for no gain (93-C.Bolston).

3-10-TEN 20 (13:44) (Shotgun) 5-K.Collins pass short left to 81-B.Jones pushed ob at TEN 31 for 11 yards (41-S.Babers).

1-10-TEN 31 (13:15) 25-L.White left end to TEN 32 for 1 yard (93-C.Bolston).

2-9-TEN 32 (12:38) 5-K.Collins pass short right to 19-J.McCareins to GB 48 for 20 yards (29-T.Culver).

1-10-GB 48 (11:55) 25-L.White left end to GB 36 for 12 yards (59-T.White).

1-10-GB 36 (11:19) 25-L.White left end to GB 31 for 5 yards (57-J.Hunter).

2-5-GB 31 (10:39) 5-K.Collins left end pushed ob at GB 25 for 6 yards (22-P.Lee).

1-10-GB 25 (10:05) 5-K.Collins pass short right to 28-C.Johnson to GB 16 for 9 yards (52-A.Hodge).

2-1-GB 16 (9:26) 28-C.Johnson left end to GB 16 for no gain (55-D.Bishop, 59-T.White).

3-1-GB 16 (8:51) 25-L.White left end to GB 18 for -2 yards (52-A.Hodge, 40-J.Porter).

4-3-GB 18 (8:07) 5-K.Collins pass short left to 28-C.Johnson to GB 5 for 13 yards (24-J.Bush).

1-5-GB 5 (7:41) 28-C.Johnson left tackle to GB 1 for 4 yards (59-T.White).

2-1-GB 1 (7:03) 28-C.Johnson right tackle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

Very interesting, thanks. Johnson got the call at the GL. Sweet.

On the one 2nd and 1 CJ couldn't get the 1st, so Lendale came in on an obvious short yardage run on 3rd and 1 and lost 2 yards.So who really knows what is going on, but good to see CJ get the GL carry and score.

Encouraging, but I wouldn´t get my hopes up...Len Dale White 6´2´´ 235lbs

Chris Johnson 5´11´´ 197lbs

 

[Chunky Soup]

Was White pulled at the GL for Johnson, or was Johnson already in the game? I'm assuming the latter. Did they alternate series, or alternate within drives?

Tennessee Titans at 15:002-M.Crosby kicks 70 yards from GB 30 to end zone, Touchback.

1-10-TEN 20 (15:00) 25-L.White left guard to TEN 22 for 2 yards (59-T.White, 52-A.Hodge).

2-8-TEN 22 (14:24) 5-K.Collins FUMBLES (Aborted) at TEN 22, and recovers at TEN 20. 5-K.Collins to TEN 20 for no gain (93-C.Bolston).

3-10-TEN 20 (13:44) (Shotgun) 5-K.Collins pass short left to 81-B.Jones pushed ob at TEN 31 for 11 yards (41-S.Babers).

1-10-TEN 31 (13:15) 25-L.White left end to TEN 32 for 1 yard (93-C.Bolston).

2-9-TEN 32 (12:38) 5-K.Collins pass short right to 19-J.McCareins to GB 48 for 20 yards (29-T.Culver).

1-10-GB 48 (11:55) 25-L.White left end to GB 36 for 12 yards (59-T.White).

1-10-GB 36 (11:19) 25-L.White left end to GB 31 for 5 yards (57-J.Hunter).

2-5-GB 31 (10:39) 5-K.Collins left end pushed ob at GB 25 for 6 yards (22-P.Lee).

1-10-GB 25 (10:05) 5-K.Collins pass short right to 28-C.Johnson to GB 16 for 9 yards (52-A.Hodge).

2-1-GB 16 (9:26) 28-C.Johnson left end to GB 16 for no gain (55-D.Bishop, 59-T.White).

3-1-GB 16 (8:51) 25-L.White left end to GB 18 for -2 yards (52-A.Hodge, 40-J.Porter).

4-3-GB 18 (8:07) 5-K.Collins pass short left to 28-C.Johnson to GB 5 for 13 yards (24-J.Bush).

1-5-GB 5 (7:41) 28-C.Johnson left tackle to GB 1 for 4 yards (59-T.White).

2-1-GB 1 (7:03) 28-C.Johnson right tackle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

Very interesting, thanks. Johnson got the call at the GL. Sweet.

On the one 2nd and 1 CJ couldn't get the 1st, so Lendale came in on an obvious short yardage run on 3rd and 1 and lost 2 yards.So who really knows what is going on, but good to see CJ get the GL carry and score.

Encouraging, but I wouldn´t get my hopes up...Len Dale White 6´2´´ 235lbs

Chris Johnson 5´11´´ 197lbs

Being fat doesn't make you a better goal line runner.

 

[dcgangstas]

Having LenWhale as my #3 RB (Westbrook and Jamal Lewis are my starters), I really see Chris Johnson as a plus for White. CJ can be put in formation with LenDale split out wide (Johnson split out, that is) to stretch defenses, and create more running lanes. Johnson will also make big plays and provide more goal-line opportunities for White.

More importantly, he will keep White motivated (with a young stud breathing down his neck) and fresher. I don't expect less than 1140 yards rushing and 9 TDs for White, and around 850 total yards and 5 TDs for CJ. I can live with that.

 

[the rover]

Was White pulled at the GL for Johnson, or was Johnson already in the game? I'm assuming the latter. Did they alternate series, or alternate within drives?

Tennessee Titans at 15:002-M.Crosby kicks 70 yards from GB 30 to end zone, Touchback.

1-10-TEN 20 (15:00) 25-L.White left guard to TEN 22 for 2 yards (59-T.White, 52-A.Hodge).

2-8-TEN 22 (14:24) 5-K.Collins FUMBLES (Aborted) at TEN 22, and recovers at TEN 20. 5-K.Collins to TEN 20 for no gain (93-C.Bolston).

3-10-TEN 20 (13:44) (Shotgun) 5-K.Collins pass short left to 81-B.Jones pushed ob at TEN 31 for 11 yards (41-S.Babers).

1-10-TEN 31 (13:15) 25-L.White left end to TEN 32 for 1 yard (93-C.Bolston).

2-9-TEN 32 (12:38) 5-K.Collins pass short right to 19-J.McCareins to GB 48 for 20 yards (29-T.Culver).

1-10-GB 48 (11:55) 25-L.White left end to GB 36 for 12 yards (59-T.White).

1-10-GB 36 (11:19) 25-L.White left end to GB 31 for 5 yards (57-J.Hunter).

2-5-GB 31 (10:39) 5-K.Collins left end pushed ob at GB 25 for 6 yards (22-P.Lee).

1-10-GB 25 (10:05) 5-K.Collins pass short right to 28-C.Johnson to GB 16 for 9 yards (52-A.Hodge).

2-1-GB 16 (9:26) 28-C.Johnson left end to GB 16 for no gain (55-D.Bishop, 59-T.White).

3-1-GB 16 (8:51) 25-L.White left end to GB 18 for -2 yards (52-A.Hodge, 40-J.Porter).

4-3-GB 18 (8:07) 5-K.Collins pass short left to 28-C.Johnson to GB 5 for 13 yards (24-J.Bush).

1-5-GB 5 (7:41) 28-C.Johnson left tackle to GB 1 for 4 yards (59-T.White).

2-1-GB 1 (7:03) 28-C.Johnson right tackle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

Very interesting, thanks. Johnson got the call at the GL. Sweet.

On the one 2nd and 1 CJ couldn't get the 1st, so Lendale came in on an obvious short yardage run on 3rd and 1 and lost 2 yards.So who really knows what is going on, but good to see CJ get the GL carry and score.

Encouraging, but I wouldn´t get my hopes up...Len Dale White 6´2´´ 235lbs

Chris Johnson 5´11´´ 197lbs

Being fat doesn't make you a better goal line runner.

Tell that to the Fridge.

 

[sho nuff]

Was White pulled at the GL for Johnson, or was Johnson already in the game? I'm assuming the latter. Did they alternate series, or alternate within drives?

Tennessee Titans at 15:002-M.Crosby kicks 70 yards from GB 30 to end zone, Touchback.

1-10-TEN 20 (15:00) 25-L.White left guard to TEN 22 for 2 yards (59-T.White, 52-A.Hodge).

2-8-TEN 22 (14:24) 5-K.Collins FUMBLES (Aborted) at TEN 22, and recovers at TEN 20. 5-K.Collins to TEN 20 for no gain (93-C.Bolston).

3-10-TEN 20 (13:44) (Shotgun) 5-K.Collins pass short left to 81-B.Jones pushed ob at TEN 31 for 11 yards (41-S.Babers).

1-10-TEN 31 (13:15) 25-L.White left end to TEN 32 for 1 yard (93-C.Bolston).

2-9-TEN 32 (12:38) 5-K.Collins pass short right to 19-J.McCareins to GB 48 for 20 yards (29-T.Culver).

1-10-GB 48 (11:55) 25-L.White left end to GB 36 for 12 yards (59-T.White).

1-10-GB 36 (11:19) 25-L.White left end to GB 31 for 5 yards (57-J.Hunter).

2-5-GB 31 (10:39) 5-K.Collins left end pushed ob at GB 25 for 6 yards (22-P.Lee).

1-10-GB 25 (10:05) 5-K.Collins pass short right to 28-C.Johnson to GB 16 for 9 yards (52-A.Hodge).

2-1-GB 16 (9:26) 28-C.Johnson left end to GB 16 for no gain (55-D.Bishop, 59-T.White).

3-1-GB 16 (8:51) 25-L.White left end to GB 18 for -2 yards (52-A.Hodge, 40-J.Porter).

4-3-GB 18 (8:07) 5-K.Collins pass short left to 28-C.Johnson to GB 5 for 13 yards (24-J.Bush).

1-5-GB 5 (7:41) 28-C.Johnson left tackle to GB 1 for 4 yards (59-T.White).

2-1-GB 1 (7:03) 28-C.Johnson right tackle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

Very interesting, thanks. Johnson got the call at the GL. Sweet.

On the one 2nd and 1 CJ couldn't get the 1st, so Lendale came in on an obvious short yardage run on 3rd and 1 and lost 2 yards.So who really knows what is going on, but good to see CJ get the GL carry and score.

Encouraging, but I wouldn´t get my hopes up...Len Dale White 6´2´´ 235lbs

Chris Johnson 5´11´´ 197lbs

Being fat doesn't make you a better goal line runner.

Neither does one carry agaisnt a bunch of guys who might get cut.

 

[Gr00vus]

I've bought in in 2/3 leagues so far, and I like the guy a ton, but jeez he's small. And right now there's no comparison between him and a guy like Westbrook or even Reggie Bush - I don't care what the reports say in terms of height/weight, using my own eyes I can see he's small/wirey in comparison to most backs. Maybe he could bulk up to Westbrook or Tiki size eventually, but right now he's too small to take a 20+ carry beating. I think he'd literally get pounded into pieces if he did.

I'm sure he'll get plenty of touches, quite possibly double digits per game, but he's not going to make LenDale obsolete this year. Fisher's a smart coach - he'll play to both these guys' strengths and keep them both heavily involved through the year.

Johnson will probably be a borderline RB2 in performance/PPR/distance scoring leagues, maybe more if he returns and you get return production. Otherwise he's RB3 material this year.

Dynasty? He'll need to bulk up to be a franchise back. Can he do it?

 

[EBF]

I've bought in in 2/3 leagues so far, and I like the guy a ton, but jeez he's small. And right now there's no comparison between him and a guy like Westbrook or even Reggie Bush - I don't care what the reports say in terms of height/weight, using my own eyes I can see he's small/wirey in comparison to most backs. Maybe he could bulk up to Westbrook or Tiki size eventually, but right now he's too small to take a 20+ carry beating. I think he'd literally get pounded into pieces if he did.I'm sure he'll get plenty of touches, quite possibly double digits per game, but he's not going to make LenDale obsolete this year. Fisher's a smart coach - he'll play to both these guys' strengths and keep them both heavily involved through the year.Johnson will probably be a borderline RB2 in performance/PPR/distance scoring leagues, maybe more if he returns and you get return production. Otherwise he's RB3 material this year.Dynasty? He'll need to bulk up to be a franchise back. Can he do it?

I agree with your take. This is a reasonable assessment of his positives and negatives.

 

[brednbuddah]

I've bought in in 2/3 leagues so far, and I like the guy a ton, but jeez he's small. And right now there's no comparison between him and a guy like Westbrook or even Reggie Bush - I don't care what the reports say in terms of height/weight, using my own eyes I can see he's small/wirey in comparison to most backs. Maybe he could bulk up to Westbrook or Tiki size eventually, but right now he's too small to take a 20+ carry beating. I think he'd literally get pounded into pieces if he did.I'm sure he'll get plenty of touches, quite possibly double digits per game, but he's not going to make LenDale obsolete this year. Fisher's a smart coach - he'll play to both these guys' strengths and keep them both heavily involved through the year.Johnson will probably be a borderline RB2 in performance/PPR/distance scoring leagues, maybe more if he returns and you get return production. Otherwise he's RB3 material this year.Dynasty? He'll need to bulk up to be a franchise back. Can he do it?

agreed. This is just Tennessee's version of MJD/TaylorMaroney/FaulkWilliams/StewartBush/DeuceBrown/WilliamsGraham/Dunnetc...etc...etc...

 

[Peyton Marino]

just plugged white into my starting lineup week 1. feeling really good right now.

 

[shader]

I wouldn't ever feel comfortable starting Lendale.

You're going to get 50-70 yards and about 7 total TD's.

I seriously doubt you'll see Lendale in the game inside the 20...except on goalline situations. And he's WAY too slow to score on anything but goalline situations.

The Titans were one of the worst red-zone teams in the league last year, and Lendale was a huge reason why.

Johnson will have more TD's than Lendale. He'll get 50% of the carries, and he'll catch 3-5 balls per game.

This isn't like New Orleans where Bush is one of many options.

This is like Philly, where Westbrook is the entire offense.

Johnson is the playmaker on the team. He is the deep threat, he is the receiving threat, he is the only explosion they have.

Pass on him if you want, but I GUARANTEE that if you select Lendale in front of him, you will be kicking yourself every week for the next 17 weeks.

 

[ForWhoForWhat]

I wouldn't ever feel comfortable starting Lendale.You're going to get 50-70 yards and about 7 total TD's.I seriously doubt you'll see Lendale in the game inside the 20...except on goalline situations. And he's WAY too slow to score on anything but goalline situations.The Titans were one of the worst red-zone teams in the league last year, and Lendale was a huge reason why.Johnson will have more TD's than Lendale. He'll get 50% of the carries, and he'll catch 3-5 balls per game.This isn't like New Orleans where Bush is one of many options. This is like Philly, where Westbrook is the entire offense. Johnson is the playmaker on the team. He is the deep threat, he is the receiving threat, he is the only explosion they have.Pass on him if you want, but I GUARANTEE that if you select Lendale in front of him, you will be kicking yourself every week for the next 17 weeks.

This guy knows what's up