SaintsInDome2006
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That's incredible if true.
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The Chris Johnson Hype machine (1 Viewer)
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tone1oc
Footballguy
Man... I'm waffling hard on how to address waivers now.
Arians is a pretty face value coach right?
TZMarkie
Footballguy
To say that Johnson is "rejuvenated" and "flashing his early-career playmaking ability" is nothing short of bull####.
This is just more recency bias at its finest, which I get sick of seeing in the media over and over.
Why do I say this????
Well where were all the CJ fans after his two previous weeks where he went 10 for 37 followed by 20 for 72?
I get he looked decent last week, but lets call a spade a spade here. (22 for 110 and 2 TDs)
This game was a blowout right out of the gate, and all it was from then on was feed CJ, feed CJ and feed CJ.
He looked "decent" but none of this electrifying stuff from his early career was there, barring one particular catch and run in my opinion.
He had massive holes and plenty of space on a number of plays.
While we are at it, lets all stand up and say the complete breakout has begun for Alfred Blue too!!!! After all he went 31 for 139 and a TD too right.
If anything, lets say that CJ was written off last year in bad a scenario, and he "had talent" all along, he just wasn't able to show it since he was either splitting time or behind Chris Ivory.
Arians (or someone) should just man up and say "Well, the truth is we signed CJ for depth, and Ellington our feature back got hurt, and CJ has had a decent game, so we will give him a bigger role moving forward".
This media spew about "Ellington has been a disappointment since 2013" is open for interpretation too in my opinion.
Again, the full story was he was injured and gimpy all season, and Arians decided to try and run him into the ground anyway.
Last I checked he looked good when healthy before last year, and this year he looked pretty good in week 1 too, when he went 12 for 69 and a TD. Did he not look good then? (he even looked good at times last year, all the while being gimpy then)
I like reading all these reports, since it gives us a bit of a clue as to what may happen, but sometimes these pieces are so short term results oriented it makes me want to vomit.
If CJ looks terrible for the next 3 straight weeks then they will crank up the "CJ is done, and was done even before this, all he was , was depth" stories.
The bad part of this is, all of us as fantasy players lose, since it seems to be heading into one of those RBBC committee scenarios.
The only way it will be worth anything to any of us, is if another injury occurs. (and I don't wish that on anyone)
TZM
This is just more recency bias at its finest, which I get sick of seeing in the media over and over.
Why do I say this????
Well where were all the CJ fans after his two previous weeks where he went 10 for 37 followed by 20 for 72?
I get he looked decent last week, but lets call a spade a spade here. (22 for 110 and 2 TDs)
This game was a blowout right out of the gate, and all it was from then on was feed CJ, feed CJ and feed CJ.
He looked "decent" but none of this electrifying stuff from his early career was there, barring one particular catch and run in my opinion.
He had massive holes and plenty of space on a number of plays.
While we are at it, lets all stand up and say the complete breakout has begun for Alfred Blue too!!!! After all he went 31 for 139 and a TD too right.
If anything, lets say that CJ was written off last year in bad a scenario, and he "had talent" all along, he just wasn't able to show it since he was either splitting time or behind Chris Ivory.
Arians (or someone) should just man up and say "Well, the truth is we signed CJ for depth, and Ellington our feature back got hurt, and CJ has had a decent game, so we will give him a bigger role moving forward".
This media spew about "Ellington has been a disappointment since 2013" is open for interpretation too in my opinion.
Again, the full story was he was injured and gimpy all season, and Arians decided to try and run him into the ground anyway.
Last I checked he looked good when healthy before last year, and this year he looked pretty good in week 1 too, when he went 12 for 69 and a TD. Did he not look good then? (he even looked good at times last year, all the while being gimpy then)
I like reading all these reports, since it gives us a bit of a clue as to what may happen, but sometimes these pieces are so short term results oriented it makes me want to vomit.
If CJ looks terrible for the next 3 straight weeks then they will crank up the "CJ is done, and was done even before this, all he was , was depth" stories.
The bad part of this is, all of us as fantasy players lose, since it seems to be heading into one of those RBBC committee scenarios.
The only way it will be worth anything to any of us, is if another injury occurs. (and I don't wish that on anyone)
TZM
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LittlePhatty
Footballguy
It doesn't really matter how good CJ is at this point in his career. Arizona is slaying defenses through the air, which will of course open big holes for the running game. So it's all about opportunity right now. Whoever gets those touches will have a nice fantasy day.
devouredbychaos
Footballguy
Was offered CJ and Larry Fitz for my AJ Green..crazy that I'm even considering it, but what are the chances CJ holds onto the job deep into the season??
not much. I don't really believe he's still going to get that much work. He's a decent flex option, but Green is wayyyyyyy better then Fitz ROS IMO. He'll slow down, I'd stick with Green unless you're really really weak at rb
Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
I've been offered CJ and Dunbar for Lamar Miller in my PPR league. This report has me thinking I need to take it.
zamboni
Footballguy
I don't think it's necessarily coachspeak. Ellington was dynamic in 2013, but he's constantly battled injuries since being anointed as the guy at the beginning of 2014.
CJ may be past his prime, but he's a proven commodity that has stayed reasonably healthy in his career and performed admirably last week.
With the team playing like it has, why would Arians want to deviate from what is working - until he has to?
CJ may be past his prime, but he's a proven commodity that has stayed reasonably healthy in his career and performed admirably last week.
With the team playing like it has, why would Arians want to deviate from what is working - until he has to?
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I think your take is mostly right, except that now Ellington is injured/gimpy again, just like he was last season when his performance was so hindered.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Who's starting CJ with confidence this weekend? I don't think the Cardinals will be able to wax the Rams like they did the 49ers. I haven't started him yet but his volume of touches is tempting.
Todem
Footballguy
The Rams run defense has been one of the worst in the league.
I am starting CJ again with confidence.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
@Cardschatter: Even if Ellington plays, Chris Johnson would start at this point, Arians said.
After being shot, Cardinals' Chris Johnson feared his career was over:
http://espn.go.com/blog/arizona-cardinals/post/_/id/16650/after-being-shot-cards-chris-johnson-feared-career-over
http://espn.go.com/blog/arizona-cardinals/post/_/id/16650/after-being-shot-cards-chris-johnson-feared-career-over
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
Trade value?
What are you FBG's seeing? I've been getting offers flowing in lately - due to injuries, bye weeks, etc. But still this guy obviously has value.
Has anyone traded him lately? Traded for him?
I'm getting consistent offers of 3rd rookie picks for him right now, I think his current value is worth more than that - but not by much. What would you owners let him go for?
What are you FBG's seeing? I've been getting offers flowing in lately - due to injuries, bye weeks, etc. But still this guy obviously has value.
Has anyone traded him lately? Traded for him?
I'm getting consistent offers of 3rd rookie picks for him right now, I think his current value is worth more than that - but not by much. What would you owners let him go for?
Wise Old Owl
Footballguy
I traded him and Charles Clay for TY Hilton. Needed WR help, still on the fence about the move
Madden Curse
Footballguy
That seems like a good move, especially if you also needed TE help. If losing CJ didn't gut your RB slot in a contending year I'd say this is a great trade. Now the people faced with only getting 3rd rounders back in return, I think that would be a horrible undersell for CJ, in most leagues 3rd rounders may as well be 7th rounders, you get past rounds 1-2 and it's people taking shots on low-probability fliers.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Wow! At his age and in a situation where the stud rookie back Johnson is waiting in the wings, I'd be thrilled to get even one 2nd round pick for him.
ex-ghost
Footballguy
Desperation for an owner needing a RB. This league also throws around draft picks like crazy.
Spock
Footballguy
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
A multi-year extension which gives Johnson some security could work for both sides
WHAT? He has already made $43 Million in his career. If he shows he still has it through this season, some team will pay him even more to play for them
WHAT? He has already made $43 Million in his career. If he shows he still has it through this season, some team will pay him even more to play for them
Next Gen Stats: Bengals expose Chancellor in coverage
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000556321/article/next-gen-stats-bengals-expose-chancellor-in-coverage
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000556321/article/next-gen-stats-bengals-expose-chancellor-in-coverage
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Todem
Footballguy
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
I remember that. You were. But I wasn't laughing with them.Todem said:
Chris Johnson isn't catching passes nor getting the goal lines, so he was pretty much correct- it's a RBBC mess for fantasy purposes.
matttyl
Footballguy
He's tied as the #8 RB in my league. I got him off waivers. I don't care what it is, I'll take the points.
zamboni
Footballguy
I think as the season progresses, you're going to see more RBBC. For one, as well as CJ is playing, at this stage of his career, it's hard to imagine Chris Johnson being effective for a full season getting 15-20 carries a game. Second, this is a team that has real Super Bowl aspirations, and the ability to keep the strong RB stable healthy is to limit overworking any one of them. Just speculating, but seems like this is Arians' methodology - defining roles but not overworking.
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I was responding to the posts, which were about a RBBC.
In any event, he's not top 10 in any of mine, and he's been pretty "meh" for fantasy- he's had 1 really good week. Heck, he was behind both David Johnson and Ellington this week in scoring.
Wise Old Owl
Footballguy
This is a really short sighted way to look at things. Ellington had 3 carries, 2 for 0 yards and 1 for a 63 yd td. Is that what you want to count on every week? Dave Johnson also had 3 carries for 6 yds, just 2 of them went for TDs. CJ had 10 carries for 103 yards. Hill outscored Gio week 5, does that mean you would prefer Hill of the two?
Also CJ was the goaline back in weeks 2-4. 27, 9 and 10 in standard scoring is hardly meh for a waiver wire rb. With Lynch, Charles, Mccoy, Hill injured/underperforming, CJ def has value, RBBC or no.
No. Do you want to count on the guy with 11 carries, zero goal line carries, and zero targets every week? That's the point, I don't want to count on any of them (when all are healthy).
You're also ignoring that this was Ellington's first game back from injury- it's likely that he plays more in the future.
Poncho
Footballguy
Yeah he still isn't a guy I really trust due to airians throwing the other Johnson in when they get close to the goal line. I will say I will be playing him over McFadden next week so I have to plug my nose, put him in and hope for the best....
He's at 860 (unsure if yesterday's games added yet) yards for the year, sure to cross 1000.
THIRD in the NFL in rushing.
Assume he finishes top 5, how many years of 1000 does he need for hall of fame?
IIRC his first 4-5 years were better than anyone else or only Jim Brown was better or somesuch. Not in a digging mood. Where's JWB?
THIRD in the NFL in rushing.
Assume he finishes top 5, how many years of 1000 does he need for hall of fame?
IIRC his first 4-5 years were better than anyone else or only Jim Brown was better or somesuch. Not in a digging mood. Where's JWB?
zamboni
Footballguy
Maybe they're hoping he'll be back for the playoffs - team certainly has Super Bowl aspirations.
