The Chris Johnson Hype machine (1 Viewer)

[J R]

Where does the assumption that White is a bruising back who grinds out the tough yards come from, other than his size?

Here's a comparison of White to fellow Titans RB of the last 2 seasons in grind-it-out situations:

Goal-to-go:

White 2007: 24-55 2.3 ypc, 7 td

Brown 2007/T.Henry 2006: 32-78 2.4 ypc, 10 td

3rd/4th <3

White 2007: 18-25

Brown 2007/T.Henry 2006: 10-22

How do White's stats above indicate some kind of superior chain-moving bruising style that Brown and Henry don't have? I assume no one's going to say it comes from his 3.9 ypc on 1stD and 8-10 to go compared to Brown's 5.0 last year or Henry's 4.9 the year before.

 

[benm3218]

Where does the assumption that White is a bruising back who grinds out the tough yards come from, other than his size?Here's a comparison of White to fellow Titans RB of the last 2 seasons in grind-it-out situations:Goal-to-go:White 2007: 24-55 2.3 ypc, 7 tdBrown 2007/T.Henry 2006: 32-78 2.4 ypc, 10 td3rd/4th <3White 2007: 18-25Brown 2007/T.Henry 2006: 10-22How do White's stats above indicate some kind of superior chain-moving bruising style that Brown and Henry don't have? I assume no one's going to say it comes from his 3.9 ypc on 1stD and 8-10 to go compared to Brown's 5.0 last year or Henry's 4.9 the year before.

shhh most don't understand that White sucks. ANY fat guy could run thru the holes our offensive line opens. We have one of the best o-lines in the league and when you have a 6 foot wide hole to run thru life is nice. Most backs other than White would get more yards before getting drug down from behind.......... ENTER CJ. A new era begins for Titan fans. Yahoo.

 

[Homer]

Fear and Loathing, as 50 posts have asked you already, who's Chris Johnson's historical comp as a potential stud fantasy RB?

I'll throw out Jerrious Norwood just to get things started...

 

[corpcow]

Fear and Loathing, as 50 posts have asked you already, who's Chris Johnson's historical comp as a potential stud fantasy RB?I'll throw out Jerrious Norwood just to get things started...

Eh, I don't know.. CJ is not a BIG guy, but he is more solid than most people expect given his speed. Norwood has those super thin legs.

 

[ceo3west]

Fear and Loathing, as 50 posts have asked you already, who's Chris Johnson's historical comp as a potential stud fantasy RB?I'll throw out Jerrious Norwood just to get things started...

Eh, I don't know.. CJ is not a BIG guy, but he is more solid than most people expect given his speed. Norwood has those super thin legs.

Norwood shouldn't even be in the same sentence with this guy.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Fear and Loathing, as 50 posts have asked you already, who's Chris Johnson's historical comp as a potential stud fantasy RB?I'll throw out Jerrious Norwood just to get things started...

I don't think he has a historical comp. The closest I could come up with was James Brooks' skill-set with Deion Sanders' speed. I think he's an original.Jerious Norwood dreams about running between the tackles. Chris Johnson does it. Norwood is fast. Johnson is possibly the fastest RB in history.

 

[elguapo07]

As far as a comp goes - a little bigger and faster Joe Washington.

 

[treat88]

CJ2 = Clinton Portis

Olandis Gary = Lendale White

Not a direct comp, but I expect this situation to evolve in a roughly similar fashion.

 

[Burning Sensation]

CJ2 = Clinton Portis

Olandis Gary = Lendale White

Not a direct comp, but I expect this situation to evolve in a roughly similar fashion.

Is Calvin Johnson converting to RB?

 

[Native]

As far as a comp goes - a little bigger and faster Joe Washington.

How about Gary Anderson - the RB from the Bucs and Chargers (and the USFL).

 

[Routilla]

I'm hoping CJ makes enough plays Sunday to make him a viable FF option week 2 @CIN.

 

[sterjs]

I'm not so sure. Vince Young isn't anywhere close to the caliber of QB that Drew Brees is.

Thats exactly why he CAN catch 88 passes - That might be the one throw that VY Can make with accuracy.

Drew Brees throws to his RBs more than any other QB in the league, both in San Diego and New Orleans.Scrambling Quarterbacks throw a low percentage of passes to their RBs--they run the ball in many situations where pocket passers would dump off to RBs.Unless Chris Johnson splits out wide a lot, I think he's likely to fall short of expectations in the receiving game while Vince Young is QB.

 

[Romofan]

I have a hard time discounting a guy who ran the ball 300+ times last year at 3.7 a clip while putting up 7TDs vs. a hyped up rookie who has looked good in preseason (and I own CJ). This is a run first offense and I´ll be happy with the 50/50, 60/40 splits I´ve been reading about. kid looks like he´s got home run ability every time he touches the ball, but let´s see him in real NFL action before discounting Len Dale.

Many (including me) said the exact same thing last year about Chester Taylor - :temper your expectations on APeterson ...yada yada Chester Taylor yada yada - and CTaylor was hands down better than Lendale the year before the "rookie" showed up....as a CT owner the year before I didn't draft APeterson because of CT's presence. I learned my lesson and mark my words Tenn fans will be up in arms if CJ isn't getting the majority by years end just like Minn fans were calling for AP...

 

[msommer]

I think both sides of this equation needs to step back, sit down, drink a beer (as oppoed to cool aid or hate-aid), listen to some soothing music and then take a look at this again with fresh eyes.

Things in LenDale's favor:

1) Chow is no more - hopefully 'Dinger can make a less predictable offense, that should assist in increasing the YPC.

2) His knee should be better (we do not actually when the meniscus was torn, or whether it just was a convenient excuse)

3) Potentially the threat of Chris Johnson, in the back field or spread out) could open things up for the ball carrier

Things not in LenDale's favor:

1) He showed up out of shape again

2) Vince Young does not seem to be any better than last year

3) Outside of Alge Crumpler (and potentially Chris Johnson) there is very little to cheer for on the receiver side, keeping the defense honest

Things in CJ3's favor:

1) Dude is fast, smooth and seems to have decent hands

2) Coaches and players are talking excitedly about him

3) He has shown some ability to run between the tackles and at the GL, and then there was those runs...

Things not in CJ3s favor:

1) Fisherball? 3 yards and cloud of dust will do nicely

2) There is that BMI/smallish thing - can he hold up over the season (should the coaches want to take the risk of him carrying the load)?

3) Vince Young does not seem any better than last year

Things in favor of a RBBC

1) Wanting to give the RBs 40-50 touches per week (with this load either back can have value and neither can carry the load) - this could be smoke and could change even if it isn't

2) Both backs on the field might open things for the other (mostly if both in the backfield)

3) CJ3 has only had those three runs in preseason - is that for lack of use

Things not in favor of RBBC:

1) Fisher has not really done it before - and he's openly said he will mix it up (thus reducing ppg consistency)

2) If one shows more, why not go with the hot hand

3) Light Blue Jesus vs FatDale - CJ3 is killing White on the nickname front

My honest opinion is that both will be used and prodce intermittently, consequently by the end of the year the fantasy players hatred for Fisher will have reached Shanahanesque heights...

 

[J R]

Where does the assumption that White is a bruising back who grinds out the tough yards come from, other than his size?Here's a comparison of White to fellow Titans RB of the last 2 seasons in grind-it-out situations:Goal-to-go:White 2007: 24-55 2.3 ypc, 7 tdBrown 2007/T.Henry 2006: 32-78 2.4 ypc, 10 td3rd/4th <3White 2007: 18-25Brown 2007/T.Henry 2006: 10-22How do White's stats above indicate some kind of superior chain-moving bruising style that Brown and Henry don't have? I assume no one's going to say it comes from his 3.9 ypc on 1stD and 8-10 to go compared to Brown's 5.0 last year or Henry's 4.9 the year before.

shhh most don't understand that White sucks. ANY fat guy could run thru the holes our offensive line opens. We have one of the best o-lines in the league and when you have a 6 foot wide hole to run thru life is nice. Most backs other than White would get more yards before getting drug down from behind.......... ENTER CJ. A new era begins for Titan fans. Yahoo.

I wouldn't worry too much, it only a took a few posts before someone blamed White's ypc on Chow.

 

[packersfan]

I have a hard time discounting a guy who ran the ball 300+ times last year at 3.7 a clip while putting up 7TDs vs. a hyped up rookie who has looked good in preseason (and I own CJ). This is a run first offense and I´ll be happy with the 50/50, 60/40 splits I´ve been reading about. kid looks like he´s got home run ability every time he touches the ball, but let´s see him in real NFL action before discounting Len Dale.

Many (including me) said the exact same thing last year about Chester Taylor - :temper your expectations on APeterson ...yada yada Chester Taylor yada yada - and CTaylor was hands down better than Lendale the year before the "rookie" showed up....as a CT owner the year before I didn't draft APeterson because of CT's presence. I learned my lesson and mark my words Tenn fans will be up in arms if CJ isn't getting the majority by years end just like Minn fans were calling for AP...

I see what you're saying but I think the difference here is AP is an incredibly talented RB - arguably the most gifted RB in the league. The disparity in talent between him and Taylor (who is a solid RB in my opinion) is immense. As much as I like Johnson, I'm not sure the gap is as considerable between him and White as it is between Peterson and Taylor.

 

[Aaronstory]

I have a hard time discounting a guy who ran the ball 300+ times last year at 3.7 a clip while putting up 7TDs vs. a hyped up rookie who has looked good in preseason (and I own CJ).

This is a run first offense and I´ll be happy with the 50/50, 60/40 splits I´ve been reading about. kid looks like he´s got home run ability every time he touches the ball, but let´s see him in real NFL action before discounting Len Dale.

Many (including me) said the exact same thing last year about Chester Taylor - :temper your expectations on APeterson ...yada yada Chester Taylor yada yada - and CTaylor was hands down better than Lendale the year before the "rookie" showed up....as a CT owner the year before I didn't draft APeterson because of CT's presence. I learned my lesson and mark my words Tenn fans will be up in arms if CJ isn't getting the majority by years end just like Minn fans were calling for AP...

I see what you're saying but I think the difference here is AP is an incredibly talented RB - arguably the most gifted RB in the league. The disparity in talent between him and Taylor (who is a solid RB in my opinion) is immense. As much as I like Johnson, I'm not sure the gap is as considerable between him and White as it is between Peterson and Taylor.

No, but it's close.

 

[packersfan]

I have a hard time discounting a guy who ran the ball 300+ times last year at 3.7 a clip while putting up 7TDs vs. a hyped up rookie who has looked good in preseason (and I own CJ).

This is a run first offense and I´ll be happy with the 50/50, 60/40 splits I´ve been reading about. kid looks like he´s got home run ability every time he touches the ball, but let´s see him in real NFL action before discounting Len Dale.

Many (including me) said the exact same thing last year about Chester Taylor - :temper your expectations on APeterson ...yada yada Chester Taylor yada yada - and CTaylor was hands down better than Lendale the year before the "rookie" showed up....as a CT owner the year before I didn't draft APeterson because of CT's presence. I learned my lesson and mark my words Tenn fans will be up in arms if CJ isn't getting the majority by years end just like Minn fans were calling for AP...

I see what you're saying but I think the difference here is AP is an incredibly talented RB - arguably the most gifted RB in the league. The disparity in talent between him and Taylor (who is a solid RB in my opinion) is immense. As much as I like Johnson, I'm not sure the gap is as considerable between him and White as it is between Peterson and Taylor.

No, but it's close.

Perhaps. Again, I'm no fan of White's and I do like Johnson quite a bit. I just think Peterson is a one of those rare incredibly talented RBs who doesn't come along very often. As much as I like Johnson, he isn't in that class as a RB in my opinion.

 

[switz]

Fantasysharks predicts Chris Johnson puts up 0 points this week

 

[Tackling Dummies]

ESPN: Wojciechowski column on the 08 season

3: AFC Rookie of the Year

Chris Johnson, Tennessee

28: At season's end, your fellow fantasy league owners will marvel at your wisdom if you have these three sleepers (and one star in the making) on your roster

Robert Meachem, WR, Saints -- Meachem was useless after being selected No. 27 overall in the 2007 draft. If the preseason is any indication, Meachem appears to realize that he doesn't want to spend his late 20s -- and all of his 30s, 40s and 50s -- selling whole life insurance. He'll become a nice complement to the great Marques Colston.

Johnson, RB, Titans -- Draft him higher than you think you should. Then thank me later.

Mendenhall, RB, Steelers -- I see lots of goal-line scoring opportunities.

Jerricho Cotchery, WR, Jets -- The budding star. Only four TDs last year, but that will change fast with Favre.

 

[Cookiemonster]

CJ2 = Clinton Portis

Olandis Gary = Lendale White

Not a direct comp, but I expect this situation to evolve in a roughly similar fashion.

Is Calvin Johnson converting to RB?

I'm assuming Calvin bumped up to CJ1 now that Chad is C85.

 

[greyone]

CJ2 = Clinton Portis

Olandis Gary = Lendale White

Not a direct comp, but I expect this situation to evolve in a roughly similar fashion.

Is Calvin Johnson converting to RB?

I'm assuming Calvin bumped up to CJ1 now that Chad is C85.

Chad Johnson = Chad Ocho Cinco = C85 = COCBump up all CJ's

Chris Johnson really needs a catchy nickname.

Black Lightning or some ish.

Burst.

HRH = Home Run Hitter

Jenny Craig Jr watching lendales fat ### get trimmed off the roster. Did you see him at the Virginia game? I did and i was on a plane. Enough about Lendale.

Please dont be some hypebeast Chris Johnson.

 

[Todem]

Ok CJ3 breathen...lets project week one stats for our beloved rookie sensation to be.

Chris has a tough match-up....at least on paper with Jacksonville .

I project:

13 Carries for 60 Yards 1TD

5 receptions for 40 yards

In PPR scoring that would equal 21 points.

Fixed.

 

[Banger]

Ok CJ3 breathen...lets project week one stats for our beloved rookie sensation to be.

Chris has a tough match-up....at least on paper with Baltimore. Although they are not as strong against the run they still are no cupcake.

I project:

13 Carries for 60 Yards 1TD

5 receptions for 40 yards

In PPR scoring that would equal 21 points.

actually they're playing Jax. You'd think it was a tough matchup but I think they opened against them last year and C. Brown looked like a god against them....Brown ran for 175 and White ran for 66 yards. That was quite a day.

 

[bucsbaby]

Jenny Craig Jr watching lendales fat ### get trimmed off the roster.

Chris Johnson = JCJr

 

[Lehigh98]

I took him in an auction yesterday without knowing anything about him other than that he had a 22 page thread in the Shark Pool. That must count for something.

 

[Todem]

Ok CJ3 breathen...lets project week one stats for our beloved rookie sensation to be.

Chris has a tough match-up....at least on paper with Baltimore. Although they are not as strong against the run they still are no cupcake.

I project:

13 Carries for 60 Yards 1TD

5 receptions for 40 yards

In PPR scoring that would equal 21 points.

actually they're playing Jax. You'd think it was a tough matchup but I think they opened against them last year and C. Brown looked like a god against them....Brown ran for 175 and White ran for 66 yards. That was quite a day.

oppps. Brain fart.Fixed.

Still will keep the same projections though.

 

[treat88]

CJ2 = Clinton Portis

Olandis Gary = Lendale White

Not a direct comp, but I expect this situation to evolve in a roughly similar fashion.

Is Calvin Johnson converting to RB?

My mistake. Meant CJ3.

 

[greenline]

BMI?

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Chris Johnson really needs a catchy nickname.

Please dont be some hypebeast Chris Johnson.

 

[bad-golfer]

Chris Johnson really needs a catchy nickname.

Please dont be some hypebeast Chris Johnson.

Wasn't his nickname Flash?got him in the 10th round in 12 team draft

and in the 9th in a 14 team draft .

no ppr redraft bout leauges

 

[Fear & Loathing]

The Chris Johnson Hype Train has officially jumped the shark.First SI's Peter King, now ESPN's Matthew Berry:

Start 'emChris Johnson, RB, Titans: I've loved him all preseason, and now I'm gonna love him to begin the regular season. Start Johnson with confidence this weekend. Yes, the Jags have a great defense, but the Titans run the ball very well (fifth in the NFL in rushing in 2007). Plus, Johnson is coming off a preseason in which he averaged 5.5 yards per carry and scored twice.

 

[ImTheScientist]

The Chris Johnson Hype Train has officially jumped the shark.First SI's Peter King, now ESPN's Matthew Berry:

Start 'emChris Johnson, RB, Titans: I've loved him all preseason, and now I'm gonna love him to begin the regular season. Start Johnson with confidence this weekend. Yes, the Jags have a great defense, but the Titans run the ball very well (fifth in the NFL in rushing in 2007). Plus, Johnson is coming off a preseason in which he averaged 5.5 yards per carry and scored twice.

 

[dcgangstas]

The Chris Johnson Hype Train has officially jumped the shark.First SI's Peter King, now ESPN's Matthew Berry:

Start 'emChris Johnson, RB, Titans: I've loved him all preseason, and now I'm gonna love him to begin the regular season. Start Johnson with confidence this weekend. Yes, the Jags have a great defense, but the Titans run the ball very well (fifth in the NFL in rushing in 2007). Plus, Johnson is coming off a preseason in which he averaged 5.5 yards per carry and scored twice.

The proverbial Kiss of Death. I still remember him saying Danny Wuerrfel would pass for 3700 yards for the Spurrier-led Redskins.

 

[Homer]

The Chris Johnson Hype Train has officially jumped the shark.First SI's Peter King, now ESPN's Matthew Berry:

Start 'emChris Johnson, RB, Titans: I've loved him all preseason, and now I'm gonna love him to begin the regular season. Start Johnson with confidence this weekend. Yes, the Jags have a great defense, but the Titans run the ball very well (fifth in the NFL in rushing in 2007). Plus, Johnson is coming off a preseason in which he averaged 5.5 yards per carry and scored twice.

Lobbying for a (PAYING) job?

 

[Menace]

Would it be worth dropping C Perry for Johnson (my other RB's are ADP, Jacobs, JStew) or one of my receivers (we start 4: TO, AJ, Cotch, Shockey, Crayton, Moose, S.Rice)

 

[Meat]

Jeez, with all the hoopla in here I'm starting to think of starting him over Kevin Smith.... as my PPR flex...

 

[Fear & Loathing]

The Chris Johnson Hype Train has officially jumped the shark.First SI's Peter King, now ESPN's Matthew Berry:

Start 'emChris Johnson, RB, Titans: I've loved him all preseason, and now I'm gonna love him to begin the regular season. Start Johnson with confidence this weekend. Yes, the Jags have a great defense, but the Titans run the ball very well (fifth in the NFL in rushing in 2007). Plus, Johnson is coming off a preseason in which he averaged 5.5 yards per carry and scored twice.

Lobbying for a (PAYING) job?

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Jeez, with all the hoopla in here I'm starting to think of starting him over Kevin Smith.... as my PPR flex...

Starting to . . . ?

 

[FUBAR]

Would it be worth dropping C Perry for Johnson (my other RB's are ADP, Jacobs, JStew) or one of my receivers (we start 4: TO, AJ, Cotch, Shockey, Crayton, Moose, S.Rice)

Moose or Shockey

 

[TheSoup]

I'm starting CJ this week in my flex. PPR, 10 yards a point. Starting him over C. Perry, K. Smith, DeSean Jackson, and Hightower

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Would it be worth dropping C Perry for Johnson (my other RB's are ADP, Jacobs, JStew) or one of my receivers (we start 4: TO, AJ, Cotch, Shockey, Crayton, Moose, S.Rice)

1. this is in the wrong forum2. the worst guy on that list is moose. he is done.

 

[hotlanta]

Would it be worth dropping C Perry for Johnson (my other RB's are ADP, Jacobs, JStew) or one of my receivers (we start 4: TO, AJ, Cotch, Shockey, Crayton, Moose, S.Rice)

He's still available in your league?

 

[Ripleys]

I am ALL on the CJ3 train, BUT, i can't bring myself to start him over Reggie Bush.

 

[Banger]

I am ALL on the CJ3 train, BUT, i can't bring myself to start him over Reggie Bush.

I certainly wouldn't. I'm very hopeful that CJ will be a solid back but I think the expectations are getting out of hand. I'd at least like to see a couple games to see how he'll be utilized and how he performs once he gets the ball. If he goes out and tears up Jax (very doubtful but I'd love to see it) the hype will be through the roof....

 

[corpcow]

I'm starting CJ this week in my flex. PPR, 10 yards a point. Starting him over C. Perry, K. Smith, DeSean Jackson, and Hightower

In my primary dynasty I managed to snag both Smith and Johnson with my two first rounders... each week I will be starting one of them as my flex behind Portis. Long term, I'm most excited about Johnson, but I have to tell you that THIS WEEK I'm starting Smith over CJ. Tatum Bell is gone, and while Rudi may eat up more carries through the rest of the year, I just don't see him being a big factor this week having just signed days ago.It's a tough decision, since I think CJ probably has more upside, but he also has a lower floor early on in the season until we see how that shakes out.Just my

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

I am ALL on the CJ3 train, BUT, i can't bring myself to start him over Reggie Bush.

I certainly wouldn't. I'm very hopeful that CJ will be a solid back but I think the expectations are getting out of hand. I'd at least like to see a couple games to see how he'll be utilized and how he performs once he gets the ball. If he goes out and tears up Jax (very doubtful but I'd love to see it) the hype will be through the roof....

Regardless of whether he goes for 200 yards or 20 yards, this thread is going to be extremely entertaining on Sunday afternoon/Monday morning (here's hoping its the former).God Bless this thread, and God Bless Light Blue Jesus.

 

[Banger]

I am ALL on the CJ3 train, BUT, i can't bring myself to start him over Reggie Bush.

I certainly wouldn't. I'm very hopeful that CJ will be a solid back but I think the expectations are getting out of hand. I'd at least like to see a couple games to see how he'll be utilized and how he performs once he gets the ball. If he goes out and tears up Jax (very doubtful but I'd love to see it) the hype will be through the roof....

Regardless of whether he goes for 200 yards or 20 yards, this thread is going to be extremely entertaining on Sunday afternoon/Monday morning (here's hoping its the former).God Bless this thread, and God Bless Light Blue Jesus.

I was thinking that if he had a day like Chris Brown did last year this thread had the potential to double....then the speculation..should I trade LT for CJ? who's better A. Peterson or CJ?

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

I am ALL on the CJ3 train, BUT, i can't bring myself to start him over Reggie Bush.

I certainly wouldn't. I'm very hopeful that CJ will be a solid back but I think the expectations are getting out of hand. I'd at least like to see a couple games to see how he'll be utilized and how he performs once he gets the ball. If he goes out and tears up Jax (very doubtful but I'd love to see it) the hype will be through the roof....

Regardless of whether he goes for 200 yards or 20 yards, this thread is going to be extremely entertaining on Sunday afternoon/Monday morning (here's hoping its the former).God Bless this thread, and God Bless Light Blue Jesus.

I was thinking that if he had a day like Chris Brown did last year this thread had the potential to double....then the speculation..should I trade LT for CJ? who's better A. Peterson or CJ?

The rest of the uneducated masses have approx 72 hours to buy low on LBJesus. Come Monday he will be worth double a barrel of West Texas crude.

 

[Chunky Soup]

God Bless this thread, and God Bless Light Blue Jesus.