Otis
Footballguy
How many times can we watch the same story? And I can't imagine a reboot measuring up to this series.
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The Dark Knight Rises Villains Announced (1 Viewer)
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Insein
Footballguy
Not a chance. This was the height this series could reach, IMO. It washed away all the bad memories of Schumaker and even Burton's madness bringing Batman to real life. You'll never get a cast like that again to buy into a comic book movie and take it seriously.
Premier
Footballguy
So you think they're going to just trash the series or something? It's a billion-dollar enterprise. There will be another batman movie in 5 years, tops.
Premier
Footballguy
How many of the same stories have you watched?
Insein
Footballguy
I didn't say there wouldn't be another go at it. His comment was that another reboot wouldn't live up to this series and I agree whole heartedly. This Batman trilogy is the best the franchise will ever see. I know thats a broad and bold statement to make but there it is.So you think they're going to just trash the series or something? It's a billion-dollar enterprise. There will be another batman movie in 5 years, tops.
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Premier
Footballguy
I never said anything to the contrary. In fact I am quite certain this is as good as Batman will ever be. All I said is they'll likely reboot it.I didn't say there wouldn't be another go at it. His comment was that another reboot wouldn't live up to this series and I agree whole heartedly. This Batman trilogy is the best the franchise will ever see. I know thats a broad and bold statement to make but there it is.So you think they're going to just trash the series or something? It's a billion-dollar enterprise. There will be another batman movie in 5 years, tops.
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Fensalk
Footballguy
I think Batgirl would be a successful film franchise. Too bad about what they did with Barbara Gordon in the comics though. I think they should just erase the Killing Joke for film purposes and do a Batgirl trilogy, while resting Batman. Or just go with the revamped version from the comics where she recovers.
fsufan
Footballguy
i agree we will see more batman movies, what else does DC have going. never been this excited about a movieSo you think they're going to just trash the series or something? It's a billion-dollar enterprise. There will be another batman movie in 5 years, tops.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Dependent on how this thing ends..... if DC were smart, they'd wait a few years and then give us a Dark Knight Returns couple of movies.
Let's be honest....how are they going to reboot/reimagine this thing any better?
Let's be honest....how are they going to reboot/reimagine this thing any better?
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
A less than flattering review...
Review: Batman series ends as epic letdown
By CHRISTY LEMIRE, AP Movie Critic
Christopher Nolan concludes his Batman trilogy in typically spectacular, ambitious fashion with "The Dark Knight Rises," but the feeling of frustration and disappointment is unshakable.
Maybe that was inevitable. Maybe nothing could have met the expectations established by 2008's "The Dark Knight," which revolutionized and set the standard for films based on comic books by being both high-minded and crowd-pleasing. With Christian Bale as his tortured superhero starting from 2005's "Batman Begins," Nolan has explored the complicated and conflicting motivations of man as well as the possibility of greatness and redemption within society.
Here, as director and co-writer, he's unrelenting in hammering home the dread, the sorrow, the sense of detachment and futility of a city on the brink of collapse with no savior in sight. Gotham is under siege in ways that tonally and visually recall 9/11; what is obviously the island of Manhattan gets cut off from the outside world at one point. Rather than seeming exploitative, it's just one of many examples of the script from Nolan and his usual collaborator, his brother Jonathan, making the franchise feel like a relevant reflection of our times. Identity theft, economic collapse and an uprising of the disgruntled, disenfranchised have-nots against the smug, comfy haves also come into play.
There's so much going on here, though, with so many new characters who are all meant to function in significant ways that "The Dark Knight Rises" feels overloaded, and sadly lacking the spark that gave 2008's "The Dark Knight" such vibrancy. The absence of Heath Ledger, who won a posthumous Oscar for his portrayal of the anarchic and truly frightening Joker, is really obvious here. It retrospect, it makes you realize how crucial Ledger's performance was in making that Batman movie fly.
By comparison, "The Dark Knight Rises" is plot-heavy, obsessed with process, laden with expository dialogue and flashbacks that bog down the momentum and — dare I say it? — just flat-out boring at times. Yes, the Batman world through Nolan's eyes is supposed to be moody and introspective; you've got to admire the fact that he is willing to challenge us this way when summer blockbusters so often feel flashy and hollow. And yet at the same time, it takes some giant leaps with its characters which either make no sense, haven't earned the emotions they're seeking, or both.
"The Dark Knight Rises" does feature the kind of impeccable production values we've come to expect from Nolan's films; many members of his core team are back, including cinematographer Wally Pfister, editor Lee Smith and production designers Nathan Crowley and Kevin Kavanaugh. "The Dark Knight Rises" feels weighty and substantive — and, thankfully, isn't in 3-D — but it takes on an even grittier look than its predecessors as Gotham City devolves into desperation and ruin.
But Nolan's approach is so coldly cerebral that it's a detriment to the film's emotional core. It's all doom and gloom and no heart. There is no reason to care about these characters, who function more as cogs in an elaborate, chaotic machine than as real people whose souls are at stake.
It's been four years since "The Dark Knight" came out but eight years have passed in terms of story. Bale's Bruce Wayne suffers in self-imposed exile, sulking about Wayne Manor, mourning the loss of his darling Rachel and carrying the burden of blame for the death of District Attorney Harvey Dent. His goal of a peaceful Gotham has been achieved, but he's left as a man without a purpose. Michael Caine, as the ever-loyal valet Alfred, brings dignity and eloquence to the film as he begs Bruce to carve out his own form of happiness. Fellow veterans Gary Oldman as Commissioner Gordon and Morgan Freeman as gadget guru Lucius Fox are their usual dignified selves, but they don't register the way they should because the film is so overstuffed.
Several new characters manage to draw Bruce out of his funk in various ways. Anne Hathaway brings some much needed zest to the proceedings as Selina Kyle, otherwise known as Catwoman in the Batman universe, a slinky thief who punctures Bruce's bubble when she lifts his fingerprints from his safe, along with a beloved pearl necklace. She's selfish and cynical, only looking out for herself, but at least she goes about her crimes with some verve and style. They never call her Catwoman by name, and she's never as campy as Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry were in previous film incarnations of the role, but she's always fun to watch.
The other woman in Bruce's life, however, is woefully underdeveloped — which is a real problem because she plays a key role in the film's climactic revelations. Marion Cotillard (one of many alumni from Nolan's "Inception") co-stars as Miranda Tate, a wealthy philanthropist who hopes to work with Wayne Enterprises on developing clean, sustainable energy. The romance that develops between her and Bruce is utterly unbelievable.
Joseph Gordon-Levitt adds a youthful presence as John Blake, an up-and-coming member of the police force who inspires Bruce to revisit his own childhood as an orphan. Gordon-Levitt as solid as always but there's not much to his character aside from earnestness.
Then there's Bane, a muscular mass of pure evil who orchestrates an elaborate takeover of Gotham City. The role is a huge waste of what Tom Hardy can do; his character is so one-dimensional and poorly defined, he's never so much a fearsome figure as a large and hulking one. It doesn't help matters that it's often difficult to make out what he's saying beneath the cage-like muzzle that covers his nose and mouth and alters his voice. Hardy can be sexy and charismatic (as he proved in "Inception") but also a dangerous and unpredictable figure. None of that is on display here. He's all brute force.
But he is the instigator of the film's dazzling opening sequence, worthy of the best of James Bond: a daring aerial maneuver in which Bane kidnaps a scientist by hijacking his plane from the skies above. That's probably the most effective of the many set pieces Nolan stages here, although the collapse of Heinz Field during a packed football game also has an urgent, visceral quality, with thrills that recall the most imaginative moments of "Inception."
This is the problem when you're an exceptional, visionary filmmaker. When you give people something extraordinary, they expect it every time. Anything short of that feels like a letdown.
By CHRISTY LEMIRE, AP Movie Critic
Christopher Nolan concludes his Batman trilogy in typically spectacular, ambitious fashion with "The Dark Knight Rises," but the feeling of frustration and disappointment is unshakable.
Maybe that was inevitable. Maybe nothing could have met the expectations established by 2008's "The Dark Knight," which revolutionized and set the standard for films based on comic books by being both high-minded and crowd-pleasing. With Christian Bale as his tortured superhero starting from 2005's "Batman Begins," Nolan has explored the complicated and conflicting motivations of man as well as the possibility of greatness and redemption within society.
Here, as director and co-writer, he's unrelenting in hammering home the dread, the sorrow, the sense of detachment and futility of a city on the brink of collapse with no savior in sight. Gotham is under siege in ways that tonally and visually recall 9/11; what is obviously the island of Manhattan gets cut off from the outside world at one point. Rather than seeming exploitative, it's just one of many examples of the script from Nolan and his usual collaborator, his brother Jonathan, making the franchise feel like a relevant reflection of our times. Identity theft, economic collapse and an uprising of the disgruntled, disenfranchised have-nots against the smug, comfy haves also come into play.
There's so much going on here, though, with so many new characters who are all meant to function in significant ways that "The Dark Knight Rises" feels overloaded, and sadly lacking the spark that gave 2008's "The Dark Knight" such vibrancy. The absence of Heath Ledger, who won a posthumous Oscar for his portrayal of the anarchic and truly frightening Joker, is really obvious here. It retrospect, it makes you realize how crucial Ledger's performance was in making that Batman movie fly.
By comparison, "The Dark Knight Rises" is plot-heavy, obsessed with process, laden with expository dialogue and flashbacks that bog down the momentum and — dare I say it? — just flat-out boring at times. Yes, the Batman world through Nolan's eyes is supposed to be moody and introspective; you've got to admire the fact that he is willing to challenge us this way when summer blockbusters so often feel flashy and hollow. And yet at the same time, it takes some giant leaps with its characters which either make no sense, haven't earned the emotions they're seeking, or both.
"The Dark Knight Rises" does feature the kind of impeccable production values we've come to expect from Nolan's films; many members of his core team are back, including cinematographer Wally Pfister, editor Lee Smith and production designers Nathan Crowley and Kevin Kavanaugh. "The Dark Knight Rises" feels weighty and substantive — and, thankfully, isn't in 3-D — but it takes on an even grittier look than its predecessors as Gotham City devolves into desperation and ruin.
But Nolan's approach is so coldly cerebral that it's a detriment to the film's emotional core. It's all doom and gloom and no heart. There is no reason to care about these characters, who function more as cogs in an elaborate, chaotic machine than as real people whose souls are at stake.
It's been four years since "The Dark Knight" came out but eight years have passed in terms of story. Bale's Bruce Wayne suffers in self-imposed exile, sulking about Wayne Manor, mourning the loss of his darling Rachel and carrying the burden of blame for the death of District Attorney Harvey Dent. His goal of a peaceful Gotham has been achieved, but he's left as a man without a purpose. Michael Caine, as the ever-loyal valet Alfred, brings dignity and eloquence to the film as he begs Bruce to carve out his own form of happiness. Fellow veterans Gary Oldman as Commissioner Gordon and Morgan Freeman as gadget guru Lucius Fox are their usual dignified selves, but they don't register the way they should because the film is so overstuffed.
Several new characters manage to draw Bruce out of his funk in various ways. Anne Hathaway brings some much needed zest to the proceedings as Selina Kyle, otherwise known as Catwoman in the Batman universe, a slinky thief who punctures Bruce's bubble when she lifts his fingerprints from his safe, along with a beloved pearl necklace. She's selfish and cynical, only looking out for herself, but at least she goes about her crimes with some verve and style. They never call her Catwoman by name, and she's never as campy as Michelle Pfeiffer and Halle Berry were in previous film incarnations of the role, but she's always fun to watch.
The other woman in Bruce's life, however, is woefully underdeveloped — which is a real problem because she plays a key role in the film's climactic revelations. Marion Cotillard (one of many alumni from Nolan's "Inception") co-stars as Miranda Tate, a wealthy philanthropist who hopes to work with Wayne Enterprises on developing clean, sustainable energy. The romance that develops between her and Bruce is utterly unbelievable.
Joseph Gordon-Levitt adds a youthful presence as John Blake, an up-and-coming member of the police force who inspires Bruce to revisit his own childhood as an orphan. Gordon-Levitt as solid as always but there's not much to his character aside from earnestness.
Then there's Bane, a muscular mass of pure evil who orchestrates an elaborate takeover of Gotham City. The role is a huge waste of what Tom Hardy can do; his character is so one-dimensional and poorly defined, he's never so much a fearsome figure as a large and hulking one. It doesn't help matters that it's often difficult to make out what he's saying beneath the cage-like muzzle that covers his nose and mouth and alters his voice. Hardy can be sexy and charismatic (as he proved in "Inception") but also a dangerous and unpredictable figure. None of that is on display here. He's all brute force.
But he is the instigator of the film's dazzling opening sequence, worthy of the best of James Bond: a daring aerial maneuver in which Bane kidnaps a scientist by hijacking his plane from the skies above. That's probably the most effective of the many set pieces Nolan stages here, although the collapse of Heinz Field during a packed football game also has an urgent, visceral quality, with thrills that recall the most imaginative moments of "Inception."
This is the problem when you're an exceptional, visionary filmmaker. When you give people something extraordinary, they expect it every time. Anything short of that feels like a letdown.
HellToupee
Footballguy
I'd say Hardy nailed the character
Lol...so true...because we all think Bane is "sexy and charismatic"...he is an effin' wrecking machine...no more, no less. His angle is that he does not have one.
Premier
Footballguy
Based off what I've read so far, this review is going to be an outlier.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Someone at work said David Letterman gave away the ending when interviewing Anne Hathaway last night.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Based off what I've read so far, this review is going to be an outlier.Well, it is a woman.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Im going dark on this thread until i get to see it. Hopefully sunday.
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
What do you guys think about taking someone to see the Dark Knight Rises who has not watched a single Nolan film? The individual is into science fiction and loves movies. I'm not sure how familiar they are with the Batman story. It's either this or Ted, which would be good for me as well as I'm a huge MacFarlane fan.
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geoff8695
Footballguy
This review is on the
Still an entertaining flick I would recommend as a matinee or wait for DVD.However, Dark Knight Rises is to Batman Begins and The Dark Knight as Spiderman 3 was to the first two Tobey MaGuire Spiderman films. The bar has been set way too high in the first two films, and the third film is way too busy, ambitious, tries to cram too much into too little space, and just never quite reaches the same heights and emotional depths as the first two films in the trilogy.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Yes, and I left the theater pretty disappointed (I was hesitant going in as well, so my expectations were probably lower than some). While the first two were great movies, period - this one was a 'pretty good' action movie. Had a few good action sequences, but nothing nearly as good as the chase in Dark Knight, or the opening of that movie. Bane was 'meh', didn't care for Catwoman, there were too many rehashed motivations and threadlines from Batman Begins to provide much new to sink your teeth into, and the ending was groan-inducing. Thought I read awhile back (in Rolling Stone maybe), that Nolan got whatever he wanted for Inception as long as he agreed to do a 3rd Batman movie. The movie felt like that - rushed and half-hearted. Nowhere near as thought out or well crafted as his other efforts. The poster above brings up Spidey 3. It's not on that level of crap, but after the first two it was quite a letdown for me, and I would suggest people temper their expectations a bit.
Bogart
Footballguy
I did. And maybe I got sucked into the spectacle of the midnight show, or maybe my bar is set just right, but I really, really enjoyed the movie. There are a few things I would have changed, and my biggest complaint technically is understanding some of Bane's dialogue, but overall I think it was a satisfying way to wrap up the trilogy.Based on pure entertainment value and quality of each movie, I would put this trilogy up against any other, including the sacred cows LOTR and IV-VI.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
A solid B- for the film. The beginning is slow but the end makes up for it. I was not expecting the ending the way it turned out.
anakin
Footballguy
This review is on the
Still an entertaining flick I would recommend as a matinee or wait for DVD.However, Dark Knight Rises is to Batman Begins and The Dark Knight as Spiderman 3 was to the first two Tobey MaGuire Spiderman films. The bar has been set way too high in the first two films, and the third film is way too busy, ambitious, tries to cram too much into too little space, and just never quite reaches the same heights and emotional depths as the first two films in the trilogy.
Exactly
steelcitysledgehammers
Footballguy
This review is on the
Still an entertaining flick I would recommend as a matinee or wait for DVD.However, Dark Knight Rises is to Batman Begins and The Dark Knight as Spiderman 3 was to the first two Tobey MaGuire Spiderman films. The bar has been set way too high in the first two films, and the third film is way too busy, ambitious, tries to cram too much into too little space, and just never quite reaches the same heights and emotional depths as the first two films in the trilogy.
Spot on, my man. Spot on.J
Fensalk
Footballguy
I thought it was ok but did not live up to the first two films. The plot did not engage me. The best actors seemed to have small roles. Felt like a bit too much of a rehash of elements of the first two films.
I think one key missing element is the lack of detective work. In the Joker film, there was a lot of sleuthing. We had scenes of the Batman trying to solve crimes and figure things out This felt more like an action film.
I think one key missing element is the lack of detective work. In the Joker film, there was a lot of sleuthing. We had scenes of the Batman trying to solve crimes and figure things out This felt more like an action film.
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Just saw this.
Michael Bay must have taken the reigns from Nolan because this was more like watching a Transformers movie than either of the previous two Batmans.
Schlocky premise, terrible dialogue, far far too long. Let's not even talk plot. It hasn't earned it. Maybe 5/10 if I'm feeling generous.
Michael Bay must have taken the reigns from Nolan because this was more like watching a Transformers movie than either of the previous two Batmans.
Schlocky premise, terrible dialogue, far far too long. Let's not even talk plot. It hasn't earned it. Maybe 5/10 if I'm feeling generous.
Wu-banger
Footballguy
Does Batman even have a utility belt filled with gadgets?? Used it maybe once.....
Bane was illegible too often and wasn't the hulking manic the comics envision .
I enjoyed Catwoman
Parts were drawn out and at times unnecessary.
It met my expectations , which were set much lower, because of Dark Knights brilliance is hard to match.
The ending was good as well
Bane was illegible too often and wasn't the hulking manic the comics envision .
I enjoyed Catwoman
Parts were drawn out and at times unnecessary.
It met my expectations , which were set much lower, because of Dark Knights brilliance is hard to match.
The ending was good as well
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Catwoman was good. Hathaway played it well and is, debatable, the best Catwoman.
Bane was good. The dialogue was tough at times but I think that was due to the music rather than his voice box. The music was too loud throughout the whole thing.
The ending was good but drawn out a bit. I was pleasantly surprised by the twist with it as well.
The bad includes too many gadgets. Batman was never in his Batmobile in the whole movie. Instead he was on his bike and in the air. I get the connection but Batman and each Rachel Dawes had a better connection than he did was Catwoman. The main bad though is that the film takes place over a ~six month timeframe. That is difficult to do and I'm not sure it was done well enough here.
Bruce Wayne should sue the architects that rebuilt his mansion. They made a crappy Batcave that was just a garage. The Batcave was not done well at all.
I liked the lack of "special effects" during the fighting though. It was nice to see two people fight without some mythical hammer throwing them across the screen or people flying around. Fights could have been longer between Bane and Bat. Overall the plot was shaky. I followed it but seemed ou of place at times.
B-
Bane was good. The dialogue was tough at times but I think that was due to the music rather than his voice box. The music was too loud throughout the whole thing.
The ending was good but drawn out a bit. I was pleasantly surprised by the twist with it as well.
The bad includes too many gadgets. Batman was never in his Batmobile in the whole movie. Instead he was on his bike and in the air. I get the connection but Batman and each Rachel Dawes had a better connection than he did was Catwoman. The main bad though is that the film takes place over a ~six month timeframe. That is difficult to do and I'm not sure it was done well enough here.
Bruce Wayne should sue the architects that rebuilt his mansion. They made a crappy Batcave that was just a garage. The Batcave was not done well at all.
I liked the lack of "special effects" during the fighting though. It was nice to see two people fight without some mythical hammer throwing them across the screen or people flying around. Fights could have been longer between Bane and Bat. Overall the plot was shaky. I followed it but seemed ou of place at times.
B-
flapgreen
Footballguy
This is probably how I will feel.
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
I liked it. I am not a fanboy of the series, but it was loooonnnngggg. Arrived at the theater at 11:30 expecting a line for our 12:00 show. Walked out at 3:05. WoW!! Long movie. Could have added some filler and almost made 2 out of it easily.
Parent caution!! I saw alot of little kids there. My 8 year old is mature and can handle movies, but this one pushed her to the limits--think two bathtroom breaks. Don't take your little ones to this one expecting alot of Batman. It wears thin quickly. There's alot of dialogue and plot because they really tried to tie things together.
Not giving anything away, but I hated Michael Cain in this movie. Every time he was on the screen, I was :X
We need to start a Batman spoiler thread where we can talk about the movie, because I have observations I want to make and not give anything away
Parent caution!! I saw alot of little kids there. My 8 year old is mature and can handle movies, but this one pushed her to the limits--think two bathtroom breaks. Don't take your little ones to this one expecting alot of Batman. It wears thin quickly. There's alot of dialogue and plot because they really tried to tie things together.
Not giving anything away, but I hated Michael Cain in this movie. Every time he was on the screen, I was :X
We need to start a Batman spoiler thread where we can talk about the movie, because I have observations I want to make and not give anything away
Eviloutsider
Footballguy
If they are in the thread they should expect spoilers, the movie is out.
Overall, a 7/10 for me and right in the middle in terms of quality between the first two films. I liked Catwoman, Bane for the most part (except his voice), and the new cop. The plot was weak for me and I thought there was too much fighting.
Overall, a 7/10 for me and right in the middle in terms of quality between the first two films. I liked Catwoman, Bane for the most part (except his voice), and the new cop. The plot was weak for me and I thought there was too much fighting.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Here... we... go...I would like to know where Batman escaped to at the end. Did Catwoman do her Cat burgler tricks and sneak him out of the Bat? I get it the it was on autopilot just a trick of the camera.So, does Robin take up the Batman gig? He needs an Alfred type person to help out. Surely one of those bratty kids is going to stumble upon the Robincave sooner or later.Who was the girl with Selina Kyle? Is Bruce Wayne done? Where is his money. Is he living off of what Selina was able to steal?I liked that we saw Raz al Gul's daughter. That twist was nice to see. Overall, I think this plot would have been a great fourth movie. Give me the Riddler in the third movie cause having eight years is too much. Have The Riddler in year 2 or something which would also help explain why Bruce gave it up. There really was no reason why Bruce gave up the Bat thing IMO.
Premier
Footballguy
I thought it was pretty good. I tried to watch TDK this week and shut it off midway through. Ledger is amazing but the rest of that movie sucks. Especially the Two-Face stuff. I think I like this one better.
The ending was a cop-out. I don't know why people are saying this is the end of the line? Clearly they laid the groundwork for #4 right there at the end.
Anybody else catch the Killer Croc reference in the first 20 minutes or so?
The ending was a cop-out. I don't know why people are saying this is the end of the line? Clearly they laid the groundwork for #4 right there at the end.
Anybody else catch the Killer Croc reference in the first 20 minutes or so?
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I thought that's what it was at first as well, until I realized that they were just using that phrase as a way to ridicule Gordon's story about the army underground. Referencing the old urban myths about families releasing their pet crocodiles, bought as babies at the zoo or whatever, into the sewers when they got too big to keep. They were making fun of him and his recollection of events.Nolan would never reference a character that doesn't fit into his vision of the Batman universe, and Killer Croc doesn't.
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Premier
Footballguy
Oh I see. Good point. I definitely didn't think Killer Croc fit in here. Riddler seems like a perfect character for Nolan's batman world. Odd he didn't attempt him.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Probably thought he'd be too similar to the Joker, directly following TDK. It would be tough for anyone to upstage Ledger's Joker in anything approaching a similar role. Bane was different enough to work well.He's still an available, realistic enemy to tackle if another director decides to take Joseph Gordon-Levitt's Batman 2.0 for a spin. That would fit well with Blake's background as a cop/detective and his sleuthing skills. Riddler could be a cryptic serial killer genius who eludes the police and takes an interest in Batman for the challenge of not getting caught. Could be a different tone than the Nolan films. More vigilante detective with gadgets than symbol of terror for hardened criminals. Would be a more realistic way to get a "new" Batman out on the job early, tackling things he can handle, without the experience or particular training of Bruce Wayne.
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Twist? As soon as Michael Cane told that story about him going to France every year Batman was away, you had to know you were being told the ending. I thought the ending was too predictable with that setup along with all the talk with him and the cop about how they have very feelings inside, etc..
Just got the feeling throughout the movie that Nolan was done this this franchise and probably didn't want a whole lot to do with this one. I'd bet if he had his way the ending wouldn't be so open for more movies.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Yeah, and half the time Bale is on the screen he is limping around or stuck in a damn hole in the ground. I think the film really suffered from the lack of great scenes with Cane and Freeman. Both felt flat in this one.
cstu
Footballguy
Surprised to see you coming down on this side of things.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Why is that?
