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Thank the TkikGods it did not happen
I love the part where Tito was jumping up and down in his underwear when he heard ARod was a Red Sox. Can you imagine if the Sox had given up Lester, Manny, and Nomar for ARod? The best thing that ever happened to the Red Sox was Theo's failure to pull off that trade.

 
Thank the TkikGods it did not happen
I love the part where Tito was jumping up and down in his underwear when he heard ARod was a Red Sox. Can you imagine if the Sox had given up Lester, Manny, and Nomar for ARod? The best thing that ever happened to the Red Sox was Theo's failure to pull off that trade.
Eh, it looks true in retrospect, though not as much as we think. ARod and Magglio would have been a nice tandem in the mid-aughts. Lester doesn't really factor in until this year. In 2007, he was a fourth or fifth starter. Not sure this was such a slam dunk. Do the Sox win three if they make the trade? Probably not. I'll take the '13 title over what would likely have been two titles in that time span.

eta* Plus, building that team around Manny and having to trade him for Bay in '08 really hurt the chances for another title. Way I look at it, if Manny doesn't play his way out of Boston, and Grady isn't our manager, the Sox would have won in '03, '04, '07, and '08, which would have been quite impressive.

 
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Thank the TkikGods it did not happen
I love the part where Tito was jumping up and down in his underwear when he heard ARod was a Red Sox. Can you imagine if the Sox had given up Lester, Manny, and Nomar for ARod? The best thing that ever happened to the Red Sox was Theo's failure to pull off that trade.
Eh, it looks true in retrospect, though not as much as we think. ARod and Magglio would have been a nice tandem in the mid-aughts. Lester doesn't really factor in until this year. In 2007, he was a fourth or fifth starter. Not sure this was such a slam dunk. Do the Sox win three if they make the trade? Probably not. I'll take the '13 title over what would likely have been two titles in that time span.

eta* Plus, building that team around Manny and having to trade him for Bay in '08 really hurt the chances for another title. Way I look at it, if Manny doesn't play his way out of Boston, and Grady isn't our manager, the Sox would have won in '03, '04, '07, and '08, which would have been quite impressive.
Good post.

 
"Theo's failure" had nothing to do with it. The players' union wouldn't allow him to take a pay cut.
Strange because Brian Cashman was able to trade for ARod.
And what did they pay him?
Obviously what he was contractually obligated to be paid. If Theo and the Red Sox ownership had wanted him, they would have paid him or worked out a deal like Cashman did with John Hart.

Theo's failed. Thank God for Boston.

 
"Theo's failure" had nothing to do with it. The players' union wouldn't allow him to take a pay cut.
Strange because Brian Cashman was able to trade for ARod.
And what did they pay him?
Obviously what he was contractually obligated to be paid. If Theo and the Red Sox ownership had wanted him, they would have paid him or worked out a deal like Cashman did with John Hart.

Theo's failed. Thank God for Boston.
Think perhaps they wanted him only at a certain price? I'm almost certain Theo didn't pay players out of his own pocket.

 
The first in a list of times the Yankees saved the red sox from themselves (due to the yanks being richer and stupider). Things woulda been a lot different if boston had landed javy vazquez and we had to "settle" for schilling, and let's not forget the contreras debacle

Ugh...don't wanna think about this stuff anymore!

 
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The first in a list of times the Yankees saved the red sox from themselves (due to the yanks being richer and stupider). Things woulda been a lot different if boston had landed javy vazquez and we had to "settle" for schilling, and let's not forget the contreras debacle

Ugh...don't wanna think about this stuff anymore!
Theo broke a chair in a hotel room when he lost the bid for Contreras. :lmao:

 
"Theo's failure" had nothing to do with it. The players' union wouldn't allow him to take a pay cut.
Strange because Brian Cashman was able to trade for ARod.
And what did they pay him?
Obviously what he was contractually obligated to be paid. If Theo and the Red Sox ownership had wanted him, they would have paid him or worked out a deal like Cashman did with John Hart.

Theo's failed. Thank God for Boston.
Think perhaps they wanted him only at a certain price? I'm almost certain Theo didn't pay players out of his own pocket.
His contract was already signed. It was only a matter of making the Rangers pay part of his contract as part of the deal.

I'm not sure what exactly you're trying to defend, my comment that Theo failed to land ARod or the Yankees are just better at pulling these kinds of deals off. :dunno:

 
The first in a list of times the Yankees saved the red sox from themselves (due to the yanks being richer and stupider). Things woulda been a lot different if boston had landed javy vazquez and we had to "settle" for schilling, and let's not forget the contreras debacle

Ugh...don't wanna think about this stuff anymore!
Theo broke a chair in a hotel room when he lost the bid for Contreras. :lmao:
I wonder what he did when he signed Carl Crawford, JD Drew or Dice-K?

 
The first in a list of times the Yankees saved the red sox from themselves (due to the yanks being richer and stupider). Things woulda been a lot different if boston had landed javy vazquez and we had to "settle" for schilling, and let's not forget the contreras debacle

Ugh...don't wanna think about this stuff anymore!
Theo broke a chair in a hotel room when he lost the bid for Contreras. :lmao:
I wonder what he did when he signed Carl Crawford, JD Drew or Dice-K?
Love the JD Drew signing. Crawford was ownership, and Dice-K was heavily bid on.

I don't defend Theo too much. He inherited a pretty darn good club. Damon, Ramirez, Martinez, Nixon, Varitek, etc. He lucked into Ortiz. Lots of stuff there to make me think that it's sort of a lot of luck, despite the quantification and numbers. Mueller was a stroke of genius. So were Walker and Bellhorn.

 
Did he break anything when they missed out on Irabu?
No, but Duquette probably raised the roof again. (I can't find video of that, but if you'd seen him doing that...oh man)
Theo wasn't even there then. I just can't resist an opportunity to shoehorn The Fat Toad into any conversation.
No, I know. He was probably still at Yale and not even interning for Lucchino in SD. Just keeping it light.

 
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The first in a list of times the Yankees saved the red sox from themselves (due to the yanks being richer and stupider). Things woulda been a lot different if boston had landed javy vazquez and we had to "settle" for schilling, and let's not forget the contreras debacle

Ugh...don't wanna think about this stuff anymore!
Theo broke a chair in a hotel room when he lost the bid for Contreras. :lmao:
I wonder what he did when he signed Carl Crawford, JD Drew or Dice-K?
Love the JD Drew signing. Crawford was ownership, and Dice-K was heavily bid on.

I don't defend Theo too much. He inherited a pretty darn good club. Damon, Ramirez, Martinez, Nixon, Varitek, etc. He lucked into Ortiz. Lots of stuff there to make me think that it's sort of a lot of luck, despite the quantification and numbers. Mueller was a stroke of genius. So were Walker and Bellhorn.
I tend to agree with you. Maybe the greatest trade ever was Slocumb for Lowe and Varitek.

 
The first in a list of times the Yankees saved the red sox from themselves (due to the yanks being richer and stupider). Things woulda been a lot different if boston had landed javy vazquez and we had to "settle" for schilling, and let's not forget the contreras debacle

Ugh...don't wanna think about this stuff anymore!
Theo broke a chair in a hotel room when he lost the bid for Contreras. :lmao:
I wonder what he did when he signed Carl Crawford, JD Drew or Dice-K?
Love the JD Drew signing. Crawford was ownership, and Dice-K was heavily bid on.

I don't defend Theo too much. He inherited a pretty darn good club. Damon, Ramirez, Martinez, Nixon, Varitek, etc. He lucked into Ortiz. Lots of stuff there to make me think that it's sort of a lot of luck, despite the quantification and numbers. Mueller was a stroke of genius. So were Walker and Bellhorn.
I tend to agree with you. Maybe the greatest trade ever was Slocumb for Lowe and Varitek.
That the '03 team was submarined by an utter idiot at the helm still hurts. I've never seen an offensive team like that in my life. They dominated almost everyone that year. I'm still stunned they lost, but it was the Yankees, and they're swimming uphill against an entire region of diehard pressure, so it took something Herculean and magical, which eventually happened.

Like Theo said in that 30 for 30, it was Greek Mythology. Down 3-0? And you win. Stunning.

 
The first in a list of times the Yankees saved the red sox from themselves (due to the yanks being richer and stupider). Things woulda been a lot different if boston had landed javy vazquez and we had to "settle" for schilling, and let's not forget the contreras debacle

Ugh...don't wanna think about this stuff anymore!
Theo broke a chair in a hotel room when he lost the bid for Contreras. :lmao:
I wonder what he did when he signed Carl Crawford, JD Drew or Dice-K?
Love the JD Drew signing. Crawford was ownership, and Dice-K was heavily bid on.

I don't defend Theo too much. He inherited a pretty darn good club. Damon, Ramirez, Martinez, Nixon, Varitek, etc. He lucked into Ortiz. Lots of stuff there to make me think that it's sort of a lot of luck, despite the quantification and numbers. Mueller was a stroke of genius. So were Walker and Bellhorn.
I tend to agree with you. Maybe the greatest trade ever was Slocumb for Lowe and Varitek.
And Lowe. Two days rest and one hit, one run, and one walk through six? That was probably the most unheralded outing in playoff history.

 
Thank the TkikGods it did not happen
I love the part where Tito was jumping up and down in his underwear when he heard ARod was a Red Sox. Can you imagine if the Sox had given up Lester, Manny, and Nomar for ARod? The best thing that ever happened to the Red Sox was Theo's failure to pull off that trade.
Eh, it looks true in retrospect, though not as much as we think. ARod and Magglio would have been a nice tandem in the mid-aughts. Lester doesn't really factor in until this year. In 2007, he was a fourth or fifth starter. Not sure this was such a slam dunk. Do the Sox win three if they make the trade? Probably not. I'll take the '13 title over what would likely have been two titles in that time span.

eta* Plus, building that team around Manny and having to trade him for Bay in '08 really hurt the chances for another title. Way I look at it, if Manny doesn't play his way out of Boston, and Grady isn't our manager, the Sox would have won in '03, '04, '07, and '08, which would have been quite impressive.
Its kinda funny how the sports world goes from euphoria over the Red Sox finally winning their first world series in forever to nitpicking the Red Sox for not winning more than 2 with that group.

 
Thank the TkikGods it did not happen
I love the part where Tito was jumping up and down in his underwear when he heard ARod was a Red Sox. Can you imagine if the Sox had given up Lester, Manny, and Nomar for ARod? The best thing that ever happened to the Red Sox was Theo's failure to pull off that trade.
Eh, it looks true in retrospect, though not as much as we think. ARod and Magglio would have been a nice tandem in the mid-aughts. Lester doesn't really factor in until this year. In 2007, he was a fourth or fifth starter. Not sure this was such a slam dunk. Do the Sox win three if they make the trade? Probably not. I'll take the '13 title over what would likely have been two titles in that time span.

eta* Plus, building that team around Manny and having to trade him for Bay in '08 really hurt the chances for another title. Way I look at it, if Manny doesn't play his way out of Boston, and Grady isn't our manager, the Sox would have won in '03, '04, '07, and '08, which would have been quite impressive.
Its kinda funny how the sports world goes from euphoria over the Red Sox finally winning their first world series in forever to nitpicking the Red Sox for not winning more than 2 with that group.
Oh, no nitpick. '03 hurt. Badly. I've never not said that we shouldn't have won in '03. I think that's why the Sox were going for broke in '04. Everything was falling into place in '03, and Little was completely in over his head. The bullpen killed in August and September, and he was still shell-shocked from blown saves in June and July. He just...blew it.

 

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