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The Epidemic of Athletes (1 Viewer)

LawFitz

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I'm sure many on this board will brand this as misinfo. Read and decide for yourselves...

https://www.rtnews.co.il/?view=article&id=49&catid=22

(You will need to utilize Google Translate as the article is from Israel. Some excerpts below.)

Since December, 183 professional athletes, coaches and college and youth athletes have collapsed abruptly, and 108 have died. Some of the athletes, such as football stars Sergio Aguero and Christian Eriksen, collapsed in the middle of a game, in front of the spectators. The main cause: Cardiac problems - myo / pericarditis, cardiac arrest and heart attacks. What causes the sudden epidemic?
The Real-Time News investigation found 183 such cases among professional athletes, coaches, athletes at universities and colleges and youth athletes, all of which have occurred since December 2020, the month in which the global immunization campaign began. This large amount speaks for itself and tells a very different story from the mantra that the media repeats, according to which, the athletes who refuse to get vaccinated are just a handful of "vaccine opponents".

For many of the injured athletes, the injury means serious consequences for their health, their ability to continue playing, and even the continuation of their sporting careers. In 108 cases it was a death.

Common to most athletes - the young age and suddenness with which it happened, and the fact that most of them are men (only 15 of them women). The vast majority are aged 17-40, except for 21 older people (five aged 42-45, six aged 46-49, seven aged 51-54, and three others aged 60-64), and in at least over 80 cases the athletes were reported to feel unwell and suddenly collapse During a game, race or training, or immediately after. In most cases, it has been reported that the cause of the breakdown is heart-related, including myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle), pericarditis (inflammation of the pericardium) or a combination of both - premycarditis, heart attacks or cardiac arrest. The second cause reported in six cases is coagulation events, including pulmonary embolism, pulmonary blood clots in the brain and brain. We emphasize that the list we have is even longer, but for the sake of caution, cases were removed from it in which we did not have full details, so that only the cases that were reported in detail remained. In addition, cases were removed from the list in which evidence of previous risk factors was mentioned, such as a heart defect
Athletes teenagers and children were also injured and died -
The list also includes 23 teenagers, aged 12-17, of whom 16 died. 17-year-old Dylan Rich died in early September after suffering a heart attack during his team's youth cup game against Boston United; Elisha Gorham, also 17, a Baltimore football player who also collapsed during a game in October, and died of a heart attack and systemic failure; Bruno Stein, 15, a young goalkeeper from FC An der Fahner Höhe in Germany died suddenly in October; And Chloe Gianni Giavatzi, a young 12-year-old Italian tennis player who was found dead in her bed by her mother in June; Jason Kidd, also 12, is a basketball player from Bridgeville, Pennsylvania. Died unexpectedly in early November while warming up for school basketball practice. In August, three young cyclists from the same group were hospitalized in Belgium for three weeks apart with heart problems: Zander Verhagen, 17, Joppa Arfels, 15, and Yarko van Herc, also 15. Van Herc suffered chest pains during Versailles Race, 
5 times more FIFA athletes have died this year compared to previous years

To know how many deaths have occurred in reality during the past two decades among players FIFA (2001-2020), used the Wikipedia entry " list of registered players union who died while playing " (List of association footballers who died while playing). But we treated for calculation purposes And only to those players on the list who were active players, not past players.Also, it is important to emphasize that we only referred to SUD and SCD and not to all the sudden deaths

The data on Wikipedia shows that between 2001-2020 there were an average of 4.2 deaths per year attributed to sudden cardiac death (SCD) or unexplained sudden death (SUD), with the vast majority being SCD. This figure is confirmed by previous data and longitudinal studies, which also indicate that the risk of sudden cardiac mortality (SCD) and unexplained death (SUD) among FIFA players is about 4-6 cases per year. For example, a study published in 2014 in writing The Physician and Sportsmedicine magazine, 54 deaths of football players registered with FIFA were found as a result of SCD events from 2000 to 2013. In addition, data from FIFA published over the years also strengthen this estimated range. For example, in 2012 it was reported In Haaretz that FIFA has decided to set up a large database to analyze the phenomenon of heart events and player collapses on the pitch. This, in light of the fact that 36 footballers have died on the field over the course of a decade. In the report Of the BBC from 2017 which dealt with the issue of heart attacks among football players on the pitch and addressed FIFA's intention to train players to deal with these situations using defibrillators, cited data provided to the BBC by Global Sports Statistics, according to which 64 players died in the last decade during a game .

To know how many cases occurred this year - in 2021 (until mid-November 2021), we used the list of players who died during 2021, collected in the "Real Time News" research. This list includes the players listed in Wikipedia this year (in Wikipedia the list is more partial). From these data, 21 cases of SCD / SUD were found among FIFA players.

Dr. Josh Getzko, a senior lecturer in the Department of Sociology and Anthropology and the Institute of Criminology at the Hebrew University, analyzed the data. That is - about 5 times more than the annual average!

"This figure is statistically significant. In fact, there is no other year since 2001 where the difference between the number of cases observed of SCD / SUD and the expected number is statistically significant. 2021 is the only one where the difference is very statistically significant, which is unlikely to occur - 2 out of 1,000 "Moreover, even if we take into account the margin of error, and we will only cover 14 cases in 2021 - the difference is still statistically significant."

 
December 2020 seems way early to assume that young healthy professional and college aged athletes were vaccinated.  And that they include youth athletes, that makes December even a worse cutoff date

 
December 2020 seems way early to assume that young healthy professional and college aged athletes were vaccinated.  And that they include youth athletes, that makes December even a worse cutoff date


Not enough info in the article to definitively tie this trend to the vaxxes or Long-Covid. That said, the increase in these athletes' health problems is statistically significant and seems almost certainly tied to one or both. This topic needs to be talked about in the mainstream and more thorough investigations should be demanded so that we can make sure it's not the vaxxes.

 
Fact Check-No evidence COVID-19 vaccines are linked to athletes collapsing or dying from myocarditis

Reuters also presented the videos to FIFA, world soccer’s governing body, which said: “FIFA is not aware of a rise in episodes of cardiac arrests as indicated in your email and no cases have been flagged in relation to individuals receiving a COVID vaccine.


Appreciate this link, but in reading the Reuters article very closely, it doesn't resolve anything definitively. We need to demand a thorough investigation of why way more athletes than normal are experiencing major health issues.

 
Were 12-15 year olds vaccinated outside the US. I know they weren't here   

I honestly don't know

ETA: Does the article state the kids had covid and/or were vaccinated?

 
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how many collapsed similarly ion 2016, 2017, 2018 etc?   does anyone know ?


Don't know collapse figures, but the OP Israeli article states an avg of 4.2 FIFA sudden cardiac deaths per year over the last two decades vs. ~21 this year.

 
In this case I believe "RT" is "real time" and not "Russia Today".
You're right.  I missed the .IL domain.

I don't quite know what it is, but the website is owned by an IT company that advertises that it connects Israel to Abu Dhabi.  

It doesn't appear to be associated with RTnews, which would be Russia Today.  

 
I agree this warrants investigation.  I would be surprised if universities across the world have not already started looking into this.

 
Trying to follow up on this, but it seems like this is really just being reported by unreliable sources and conspiracy theorists.

The report in the OP says 183 instances since last December...the wiki page they cite says this:

To further understand the scale of the problem, a study, commissioned by FIFA and carried out by Saarland University, named the FIFA Sudden Death Report (FIFA-SDR) was published in 2020.[7] The report recorded worldwide deaths attributed to Sudden cardiac arrest or other unexplained sudden death while playing (or shortly after playing) football between 2014 and 2018. There were 614 cases during the four-year period. In the majority of cases where an autopsy was carried out, the cause of death was Coronary Heart Disease.
That's 154/year for the period between 2014-2018.   So their "massive increase" is one year with 183 instances...but if you look at the story, they're also including coaches...and they may also be including fans.

 
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What in the world is going on here?  A story from a Russian site with Wiki links and using a December 2020 date when no one was vaccinated?

Holy mother of fake news.

 
What in the world is going on here?  A story from a Russian site with Wiki links and using a December 2020 date when no one was vaccinated?

Holy mother of fake news.
It's an Israeli site, but otherwise, yeah.

If you look at the people pushing this story, you find some really interesting conspiracies, including one where the Israeli government murdered two German doctors for exposing this "conspiracy" and this guy, who says the vaccines are worldwide plot to kill billions of people.

 
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That said, the increase in these athletes' health problems is statistically significant and seems almost certainly tied to one or both.
While I agree that this is worth investigating, this is extremely dangerous thinking. Correlation does not equal causation. This is how people fall down conspiracy rabbit holes.

 
Not enough info in the article to definitively tie this trend to the vaxxes or Long-Covid. That said, the increase in these athletes' health problems is statistically significant and seems almost certainly tied to one or both. This topic needs to be talked about in the mainstream and more thorough investigations should be demanded so that we can make sure it's not the vaxxes.


Dude if I link to the National Enquirer and claim aliens have invaded Pottstown PA, no one should take me seriously.

This is the same thing.  If massive amounts of athletes were dying it'd be all over some form of reputable news.

Crazy.

 
There is literally no statistically significant increase in athlete's health problems shown by this article or the numbers they cite.   They added coaches, which gave them a bigger number than the 2014-2018 study, which only included players.   At least one attempt to prop up this conspiracy also added fans.   

 
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Dude if I link to the National Enquirer and claim aliens have invaded Pottstown PA, no one should take me seriously.

This is the same thing.  If massive amounts of athletes were dying it'd be all over some form of reputable news.

Crazy.
Weird that it doesn't affect basketball players or Americans.

 
Athletic article

I can’t read behind the paywall, but it started out as a player was collapsing every 4 days. If anyone who has a subscription wants to recap, I’d be interested. 


Thank you, this was a very good read. Here are some excerpts from the article - including the quotes of the two experts that were featured...

When the German newspaper Berliner Zeitung put together a list of recent cases in Europe it found 23 incidents of footballers, coaches or match officials collapsing with suspected heart issues from July 11 to October 15.

That works out, on average, around one incident every four days. Four had resulted in deaths, including the tragedy of 17-year-old Dylan Rich, who collapsed in an FA Youth Cup tie for the Nottinghamshire side West Bridgford Colts in September.

The obvious question here is whether the numbers are abnormal. If so, what are the reasons for this spike?
Sharma is the head of research and professor of sports cardiology for St George’s University in London and has an international reputation for his award-winning work.

He is also the chairman of the Football Association’s expert cardiac committee and in charge of the heart screening programme that has been set up to minimise the risks for footballers in England and Wales. Nobody is better qualified to discuss whether the number of recent cases should be a cause for concern.

“My belief is that it is a statistical cluster,” he says. “I look after the London Marathon (as medical director) and we can go three or four years with nothing. Then, in year five, there are three cardiac arrests. You think, ‘Was there something about this race? Was it the weather? Was it the pollution?’. And yet, it could just be a statistical thing.” ...

“There are lots of reasons it looks like it’s going up,” says Sharma. “First, footballers are much more in tune with their cardiac health than they ever were. They have watched the Muamba episode, the Foe episode and the Eriksen episode and many of these players are concerned something like this could happen to them. Many of them have witnessed these cardiac arrests.
“Players are much more likely now to complain of a cardiac problem than ever before. Aguero, for example. He didn’t have a cardiac arrest but he clearly had a cardiac symptom that caused him to stop playing instead of thinking, ‘Gosh, I don’t know what that is, I will just carry on and see if it goes’.” ...

“The game has changed. It’s much faster, much more dynamic, and the players are playing far more games than ever before. There are more competitions, more international football, and you wonder for someone vulnerable with a mild predisposition whether all this football takes its toll sometimes.” ...

“We are still in new territory, but it’s true to say that some males have had inflammation of the heart muscle after the second dose,” says Sharma. “It’s still very early days. If you look at the statistics from America, they reckon one in about 20 million young men who have been vaccinated have run into trouble. The sporting community is much smaller — it would take quite a few of these cardiac arrests before we link them to the vaccine.” ...

For me to say the vaccine could be implicated would be the most irresponsible thing in the world,“ he says. “All that happens then is the biggest stars would say, ‘I don’t want this vaccine’. These are role models for thousands and thousands and thousands of young people who would then be saying, ‘If he’s not having it, why should we?’ Then, of course, these guys spread it to the 80-year-olds and we are not containing the pandemic anymore.”
Dr Scott Murray is the founder and consultant preventative cardiologist at Venturi Cardiology, a heart clinic in Cheshire that was opened by Muamba earlier this year.

“We’re more aware than we ever have been, with everyone linked up on social media and internet sites, and that’s why we know these days if a lower-division Belgian player has collapsed and died,” says Murray.

“I’ve made the point that this is happening, week in week out, in grassroots and professional football throughout the world and that, unfortunately, there is a certain attrition rate from cardiac abnormalities in young and middle-aged players. I don’t think that has increased dramatically, I just think we are more aware of it.” ...

 “The weird thing about the internet is you can’t shut it up,” says Dr Murray. “If you want to look hard enough, you will find enough evidence for one thing. And you could also find enough evidence for the exact opposite.

“That breeds this bewildering theatre where no one can make sense of anything and it leads to apathy. It leads to people switching off — ‘Well, I don’t know what to believe anymore’ — and that allows nonsensical information to be in traction and experts to be belittled. It’s a very strange time.”


It sure would be nice to see a higher level of desire from these experts to have some actual statistical studies and modeling done to explore this topic, rather than just offhand dismissal justified by their personal thoughts and theories about statistical clustering, speed of play, whiny athletes, etc. I like reading the personal thoughts and theories of experts when it comes to topics like this, but this article reads as if these two individuals thoughts/theories are a definitive explanation for what may (or may not) be a higher incidence of athletes collapsing in sports.

One interesting aspect to this for me is why we aren't seeing it in the NFL or NBA. Makes me wonder if there's a tie to the specific cardio demands of Soccer vs. the other two sports - they do have some very fundamental differences in cardio demand. Or this all could just be statistical anomaly and/or greater spotlight on a long-standing issue due to the Covid/Vax landscape - hopefully we see some sort of study/review officially done by a reputable source that more definitively portrays these occurrences in proper context.

 
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December 2020 seems way early to assume that young healthy professional and college aged athletes were vaccinated.  And that they include youth athletes, that makes December even a worse cutoff date
Exactly. It’s probably mostly Covid (either acute infection or sequelae), with a smattering of cardiac deaths related increased alcohol/drug consumption during the pandemic.

ETA Or maybe the article is BS. 

 
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Dinsy Ejotuz said:
Stop posting misinformation and the problem will go away.


Weaponization of that term to stifle ideation and dialogue has become a bigger scourge on our society than Covid, by far. But you keep doing you, Dinsy.

 
Weaponization of that term to stifle ideation and dialogue has become a bigger scourge on our society than Covid, by far. But you keep doing you, Dinsy.


How many people have had their vaccine hesitation created or reinforced by anti-vax misinformation? 

How many of these people have been severely harmed as a result of this vaccine hesitation?

It's shameful that misinformation continues to be posted and Joe doesn't recognize this as a problem.

 
How many people have had their vaccine hesitation created or reinforced by anti-vax misinformation? 

How many of these people have been severely harmed as a result of this vaccine hesitation?

It's shameful that misinformation continues to be posted and Joe doesn't recognize this as a problem.


Unlike you, Joe actually respects people's ability to think about and discern ideas for themselves. 

 
How many people have had their vaccine hesitation created or reinforced by anti-vax misinformation? 

How many of these people have been severely harmed as a result of this vaccine hesitation?

It's shameful that misinformation continues to be posted and Joe doesn't recognize this as a problem.


This thread is a perfect example of how it settles in.  Post all these things that are mostly garbage, innuendo, from weird sites and then just start hammering it home.  5.23 million people have died from covid.  Almost a million alone in this country.  Up to 10% of cases are long haulers, people that can't work, that are drains on the health care system.  Finding these gotcha articles is just ridiculous

 
Performing enhancing drugs, hypertrophic cardiomyopathy

 
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I noticed you didn't answer my questions?  Why not?


#SeaLioning is not dialogue.

How many people have been harmed by vax 'misinformation?' 

How many people have been harmed by weaponization of the term 'misinformation?'

See, I can do it too. I'm just transparent when I do it b/c it's a sad tactic.

 
#SeaLioning is not dialogue.

How many people have been harmed by vax 'misinformation?' 

How many people have been harmed by weaponization of the term 'misinformation?'

See, I can do it too. I'm just transparent when I do it b/c it's a sad tactic.
Because of this sealioning you changed the way you present the VAERS data, no? 

 
#SeaLioning is not dialogue.

How many people have been harmed by vax 'misinformation?' 

How many people have been harmed by weaponization of the term 'misinformation?'

See, I can do it too. I'm just transparent when I do it b/c it's a sad tactic.


In a roundabout way I feel you've answered the questions well enough for me to draw the conclusion you don't care if you are contributing to vaccine hesitancy, and in turn, potentially harming someone.

 
In a roundabout way I feel you've answered the questions well enough for me to draw the conclusion you don't care if you are contributing to vaccine hesitancy, and in turn, potentially harming someone.


Oh BS. Attack and try to cancel me all you want. I am here to have dialogue and am not beholden to your one-sided dogma. If people don't want to hear from me, the ignore feature works great. I highly suggest you use it yourself, if what I say bothers you so much.

 
You've been shown, repeatedly, that what you're posting is wrong in just about every way possible and you keep doing it.
This is the worst of it. People claim one thing, it is proven false, and rather than go back and make a correction or apologize they just go onto the next false claim. And on and on we go. 

 
Oh BS. Attack and try to cancel me all you want. I am here to have dialogue and am not beholden to your one-sided dogma. If people don't want to hear from me, the ignore feature works great. I highly suggest you use it yourself, if what I say bothers you so much.
When we question your information you can't then hide behind "sealioning" or what ever.

 

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