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The Equal Rights Amendment (1 Viewer)

The Virginia legislature has just adopted a measure ratifying the Equal Rights Amendment, the 38th state to ratify.

The battle will now move to the courts, because several states have challenged the amendment as having expired prior to ratification.

 
It has a pretty high hurdle:

The ratification time limit set by Congress ended in ‘79

It was extended to ‘82, but there’s a question about whether they could even retroactively remove a deadline.  Regardless, it still wasn’t ratified.

Five states rescinded their original votes.

 
I have no idea how they get around the time limits that were set.  I have yet to hear any real counter-argument.

 
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It has a pretty high hurdle:

The ratification time limit set by Congress ended in ‘79

It was extended to ‘82, but there’s a question about whether they could even retroactively remove a deadline.  Regardless, it still wasn’t ratified.

Due to the long timeline some states have rescinded their original votes.

 
I have no idea how they get around the time limits that were set.  I have yet to hear any real counter-argument.
I believe the main argument is that the time limit was placed solely into the joint resolution raising the Amendment and not into the body of the amendment, thereby raising the question of whether Congress can set a deadline for ratifying the text of an Amendment to the Constitution that is not a part of the Amendment itself.

 
I believe the main argument is that the time limit was placed solely into the joint resolution raising the Amendment and not into the body of the amendment, thereby raising the question of whether Congress can set a deadline for ratifying the text of an Amendment to the Constitution that is not a part of the Amendment itself.
If states can’t rescind and ratification deadlines are irrelevant any dormant amendment could be brought back at any time with the original votes intact.  I can’t see that happening.

 
If states can’t rescind and ratification deadlines are irrelevant any dormant amendment could be brought back at any time with the original votes intact.  I can’t see that happening.
The 27th Amendment was adopted over 200 years after it was introduced. 

 
Yes, but no states rescinded their vote and there were no time limits put on ratification. If that was the same case here there wouldn’t be any legal battles.
Again, the question is whether there actually was a time limit placed for ratification. There’s no question there was a time limit on the 20-22nd Amendments. The question is whether putting it in the proposal language (but not the Amendment) is effective, or whether that’s akin to a signing statement by a President since the bill merely proposes language to be sent to the legislatures of the states for ratification.  And there is no constitutionally delineated process for rescinding ratification, which is why people wonder if that’s possible. And when that rescission is allowed. 

 
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The time limit, in my estimation, is the hurdle. The rescission issue is a much easier one to defeat in my opinion.  

 
If states can’t rescind and ratification deadlines are irrelevant any dormant amendment could be brought back at any time with the original votes intact.  I can’t see that happening.
Apparently there is a dormant amendment floating around out there that would re-legalize slavery.  If there is no deadline and states can't rescind their votes, there is a mechanism in place by which we could get this ratified.  The KKK and other groups need to mobilize their members to pick up and move into a single state where they have enough voters to take over its government, like a racist version of the Free State Project.  They vote to ratify the Slavery Is Awesome Amendment.  Then they move to another state and repeat the process, state by state.  It would take a long time, but eventually they ram this through 38 legislatures.  Obviously once the the pro-slavery people leave, each state would reelect sane legislators who would instantly try to rescind their state's ratification, but there are no takebacks so that won't work.

Like I mentioned earlier in the thread, I have no issue with the text of the ERA, and it seems to me that the 14th amendment already handles this.  But it does seem to me that a rulebook where there is no ratification deadline and states can't change their minds undermines what the constitution is trying to do, which is ensure a broad nationwide consensus for any proposed amendment.    

 
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Apparently there is a dormant amendment floating around out there that would re-legalize slavery.  If there is no deadline and states can't rescind their votes, there is a mechanism in place by which we could get this ratified.  The KKK and other groups need to mobilize their members to pick up and move into a single state where they have enough voters to take over its government, like a racist version of the Free State Project.  They vote to ratify the Slavery Is Awesome Amendment.  Then they move to another state and repeat the process, state by state.  It would take a long time, but eventually they ram this through 38 legislatures.  Obviously once the the pro-slavery people leave, each state would reelect sane legislators who would instantly try to rescind their state's ratification, but there are no takebacks so that won't work.

Like I mentioned earlier in the thread, I have no issue with the text of the ERA, and it seems to me that the 14th amendment already handles this.  But it does seem to me that a rulebook where there is no ratification deadline and states can't change their minds undermines what the constitution is trying to do, which is ensure a broad nationwide consensus for any proposed amendment.    
A deadline can be set. It just has to be put into the amendment (or maybe not, we’ll see what the courts say.)

And yes. All the racists have to do is move from state to state 38 times in a coordinated effort to take over the legislatures with a supermajority in each state in turn.  It does sound easy when you put it like that. 

 
Out of curiosity, I googled "constitutional amendment to legalize slavery," which will be a fun one to explain if anybody checks my browsing history.  I think the amendment referenced in the article I linked to earlier is the Corwin Amendment.  According to Wikipedia, that amendment has been ratified by Kentucky, Ohio, Rhode Island, Maryland, and Illinois.  It seems obvious to me that if any of these states wanted to withdraw their ratification of a pro-slavery amendment, they should be able to do so. 

 
WASHINGTON (AP) — Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said Monday that those like her who support an Equal Rights Amendment to the Constitution should start over in trying to get it passed rather than counting on breathing life into the failed attempt from the 1970s.

“I would like to see a new beginning,” Ginsburg said during an event at Georgetown’s law school in Washington. “I’d like it to start over.”

Congress sent the amendment, which guarantees men and women equal rights under the law, to the states in 1972. It gave states seven years to ratify it, later extending the deadline to 1982. But the amendment wasn’t ratified by the required three-quarters of states before the deadline.

Last month, however, Virginia lawmakers voted to ratify the amendment, becoming the 38th and final state needed. The Justice Department has said it’s too late, and a lawsuit is now ongoing.

In addition to Virginia, Nevada and Illinois also voted to ratify the amendment after the deadline, in 2017 and 2018 respectively. Five states have moved to rescind their earlier approvals.

“There’s too much controversy about late comers,” Ginsburg said. “Plus, a number of states have withdrawn their ratification. So if you count a latecomer on the plus side, how can you disregard states that said we’ve changed our minds?”
https://apnews.com/3510fbca261198d9ea63c30db2aa2033

 
Phyllis Schlafly.
No way! She was actually effective in her campaigns?  I thought she was ultimately about as influential as Anita Bryant in hers. 

From Wiki:

The Equal Rights Amendment was narrowly defeated, having only achieved ratification in 35 states, five of which had subsequently rescinded their ratification.[9] Experts agree Schlafly was a key player. Political scientist Jane J. Mansbridge concluded in her history of the ERA:

Many people who followed the struggle over the ERA believed—rightly in my view—that the Amendment would have been ratified by 1975 or 1976 had it not been for Phyllis Schlafly's early and effective effort to organize potential opponents.[27]

Joan Williams argues, "ERA was defeated when Schlafly turned it into a war among women over gender roles."[28] Historian Judith Glazer-Raymo argues:

As moderates, we thought we represented the forces of reason and goodwill but failed to take seriously the power of the family values argument and the single-mindedness of Schlafly and her followers. The ERA's defeat seriously damaged the women's movement, destroying its momentum and its potential to foment social change ... Eventually, this resulted in feminist dissatisfaction with the Republican Party, giving the Democrats a new source of strength that when combined with overwhelming minority support, helped elect Bill Clinton to the presidency in 1992 and again in 1996.[29]

Critics of Schlafly viewed her advocacy against equal rights and her role as a working professional as a contradiction. Gloria Steinem and author Pia de Solenni, among others, considered it ironic that in Schlafly's role as an advocate for the full-time mother and wife, she herself was a lawyer, newsletter editor, touring speaker, and political activist.[20][30]

 
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No way! She was actually effective in her campaigns?  I thought she was ultimately about as influential as Anita Bryant in hers. 
She was very effective.  She founded the STOP (Stop Taking Our Privileges) campaign.  It's the genesis of most of the arguments people still use against the ERA - "we'll have to make women sign up for selective service!" "women's bathrooms won't be just for women anymore!" "women won't get their husbands' social security anymore if they die!"

It also caused a huge portion of the "Republican white suburban housewife" contingent to form that still exists in the Republican Party and is the voice a lot of anti-feminists use to claim feminism is a sham - "they want equality but they want to keep their privileges!"

 
She was very effective.  She founded the STOP (Stop Taking Our Privileges) campaign.  It's the genesis of most of the arguments people still use against the ERA - "we'll have to make women sign up for selective service!" "women's bathrooms won't be just for women anymore!" "women won't get their husbands' social security anymore if they die!"

It also caused a huge portion of the "Republican white suburban housewife" contingent to form that still exists in the Republican Party and is the voice a lot of anti-feminists use to claim feminism is a sham - "they want equality but they want to keep their privileges!"
I guess that just because I found her absurd that I should not have assumed that others did as well.  memory is like that.  I had forgotten how committed she was to this. 

 
I guess that just because I found her absurd that I should not have assumed that others did as well.  memory is like that.  I had forgotten how committed she was to this. 
She started her campaign in late '72.  30 states had ratified by '73 and it was enjoying massive support.  And then the bottom completely fell out.

 
She started her campaign in late '72.  30 states had ratified by '73 and it was enjoying massive support.  And then the bottom completely fell out.
Weird to me that my memory of her was as a more clownish, ineffective sidelight since I lived through those times.  As I said, my memories are likely colored by my leanings.  Something to guard against, no doubt.

 
I am fascinated by 5 states withdrawing their approval.  I will have to find out why this evening when I have more time.  Seems very strange to me.
I thought it had to do with the extension. 

Eta: looked it up, looks only South Dakota withdrew based on time expiring and opposing extensions. 

 
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