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The FBG Top 300 Books of All Time (fiction edition) | #13 Moby Dìck by Herman Melville | Running list in posts #3 and #4 (17 Viewers)

187t - The Public Burning by Robert Coover (1977) #8 on my list

The Public Burning is a post-modern Cold War satire that's influenced more by Groucho Marx than Karl Marx. The story takes place over a three day period leading up to the executions of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg in 1953 but rather than taking place in Sing Sing, the book transfers the electrocution to a public spectacle in Times Square. Coover juggles a large cast of mid-century pop culture figures including Betty Crocker, Walter Winchell, Jack Benny, Joe McCarthy and a creepily debauched Uncle Sam. The primary narrator is Richard Nixon who comes off as horny and ambitious but somehow also oddly sympathetic. It's a scandalous depiction of the recent ex-president that somehow got published without litigation. I haven't read it in a long time and maybe time has dulled some of its edginess but I've never forgotten it.

This sounds outstanding, and I'd never heard of it.
Sure does, I need to find that
 
The Heart is a Lonely Hunter by Carson McCullers

I would recommend this to fans of To Kill a Mockingbird. It’s my #4 book. Carson wrote this when she was only 23. Like all her work, it’s set in the south and shines a light on the forgotten members of society. It centers around a deaf mute and five people who find comfort in his quiet companionship: a fellow mute with mental health issues, a poor young girl who dreams of being a musician, a kind but unhappy cafe owner, a proud Black doctor who feels alienated from his family and Black community because of his education and a town drunk socialist revolutionary.

It ultimately explores loneliness, our human need for connection and belonging in the world. It’s just a beautiful humanistic work.

I want - I want - I want - was all that she could think about - but just what this real want was she did not know.
 
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A Wrinkle In Time - Madeleine L'Engle (1962)

I'm in a giving mood today. Psychopav is quite knowledgeable in a learned Catholic way about Christianity, so I'm going to let him explore the themes in the book. It's a young adult book, but the themes discussed in the book are very religious. L'Engle was an Episcopalian and was the writer-in-residence at the Cathedral of St. John the Divine in New York City, so she's on sure but slightly controversial Christian footing (she believed in universal salvation, i.e., that we will all be saved when we die) with her discussions of good and evil in the book, which was a rarity for a children's book at the time. And that's all I'll say and I'll turn it over to Psychopav.

Tenth of December - George Saunders (2013)

I'm going to defer to k4 and OH and Don with the Saunders pick, too. I will say briefly that the first story of the collection with the teenage ballerina and her parent-pecked neighbor is a masterclass in how to tell a compelling short story. The scene where Saunders has the ballerina practicing her ballet down the stairs while interspersing her movements with her thoughts is just brilliant. It's a brilliance that isn't strained but is apparent and noticeable. I don't know why, but I put the book down for a second to sort of compose myself a bit before I read further. If that sounds melodramatic, well, I can get that way when somebody is at the height their powers and it's apparent that they are.
 
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I'm not sure if you've noticed, but a lot of top 5 books are showing up now. Speaking of which ...

The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay by Michael Chabon was my #4 pick. I'm not surprised no one else had it this high or that it wasn't even picked (there are, after all, a lot of good books), but no Chabon at all? He's pretty good.

The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay won the Pulitzer (2001), but that doesn't necessarily make it a must read. There are plenty of Pulitzers worth passing over; trust me, I know this. Rather, it is an incredible story with compelling characters. Here's the Pulitzer description:
With this brilliant novel, the bestselling author of The Mysteries of Pittsburgh and Wonder Boys gives us an exhilarating triumph of language and invention, a stunning novel in which the tragicomic adventures of a couple of boy geniuses reveal much about what happened to America in the middle of the twentieth century. Like Phillip Roth's American Pastoral or Don DeLillo's Underworld,Michael Chabon's The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay is a superb novel with epic sweep, spanning continents and eras, a masterwork by one of America's finest writers.

I won't spoil the book for you (in hopes that you'll read it), but here's a bit of what it's about:
It is New York City in 1939. Joe Kavalier, a young artist who has also been trained in the art of Houdiniesque escape, has just pulled off his greatest feat to date: smuggling himself out of Nazi-occupied Prague. He is looking to make big money, fast, so that he can bring his family to freedom. His cousin, Brooklyn's own Sammy Clay, is looking for a collaborator to create the heroes, stories, and art for the latest novelty to hit the American dreamscape: the comic book. Out of their fantasies, fears, and dreams, Joe and Sammy weave the legend of that unforgettable champion the Escapist. And inspired by the beautiful and elusive Rosa Saks, a woman who will be linked to both men by powerful ties of desire, love, and shame, they create the otherworldly mistress of the night, Luna Moth. As the shadow of Hitler falls across Europe and the world, the Golden Age of comic books has begun.

As far as comparisons go, in addition to Roth and DeLilo referenced above, see also: Cheever, Nabokov.
Recommendation: Read it; I think you'll enjoy it.
 
Night Shift by Stephen King

Since I will be breaking down collections into their individual parts in the dedicated King countdown and this won't have an individual entry, I guess I can say something about it here. This was the third book by King I ever read, and the one that hooked me to be a dedicated fan (or as he would put it, Constant Reader). It contains many of his biggest name short stories like "Children of the Corn," as well as a prequel and sequel to 'Salem's Lot. The stories are shorter and simpler than some of his later short story collections, but I also think they are a lot scarier and better from a pure horror standpoint. At least a couple will end up in my top 10 overall when I do the big countdown, and possibly a third.
 
I'm not sure if you've noticed, but a lot of top 5 books are showing up now. Speaking of which ...

The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay by Michael Chabon was my #4 pick. I'm not surprised no one else had it this high or that it wasn't even picked (there are, after all, a lot of good books), but no Chabon at all? He's pretty good.

The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay won the Pulitzer (2001), but that doesn't necessarily make it a must read. There are plenty of Pulitzers worth passing over; trust me, I know this. Rather, it is an incredible story with compelling characters. Here's the Pulitzer description:
With this brilliant novel, the bestselling author of The Mysteries of Pittsburgh and Wonder Boys gives us an exhilarating triumph of language and invention, a stunning novel in which the tragicomic adventures of a couple of boy geniuses reveal much about what happened to America in the middle of the twentieth century. Like Phillip Roth's American Pastoral or Don DeLillo's Underworld,Michael Chabon's The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay is a superb novel with epic sweep, spanning continents and eras, a masterwork by one of America's finest writers.

I won't spoil the book for you (in hopes that you'll read it), but here's a bit of what it's about:
It is New York City in 1939. Joe Kavalier, a young artist who has also been trained in the art of Houdiniesque escape, has just pulled off his greatest feat to date: smuggling himself out of Nazi-occupied Prague. He is looking to make big money, fast, so that he can bring his family to freedom. His cousin, Brooklyn's own Sammy Clay, is looking for a collaborator to create the heroes, stories, and art for the latest novelty to hit the American dreamscape: the comic book. Out of their fantasies, fears, and dreams, Joe and Sammy weave the legend of that unforgettable champion the Escapist. And inspired by the beautiful and elusive Rosa Saks, a woman who will be linked to both men by powerful ties of desire, love, and shame, they create the otherworldly mistress of the night, Luna Moth. As the shadow of Hitler falls across Europe and the world, the Golden Age of comic books has begun.

As far as comparisons go, in addition to Roth and DeLilo referenced above, see also: Cheever, Nabokov.
Recommendation: Read it; I think you'll enjoy it.
I may need to try it again, as still have my copy somewhere. It was a DNF for me when I tried it 15-20 years ago. It wasn’t really grabbing me then, but have liked some other Chabon stuff that have read.
 
The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay by Michael Chabon was my #4 pick. I'm not surprised no one else had it this high or that it wasn't even picked (there are, after all, a lot of good books), but no Chabon at all? He's pretty good.

I think he's great. I considered Telegraph Avenue for my list, but it didn't make it in part because I've never read Kavalier and Clay and felt like if I were to have a Chabon, that would probably be the one I should choose. Which is a dumb reason not to select him. Kavalier and Clay sits on our bookshelves, so I think OH has read it. I should pick it up, because his writing style is outstanding.
 
How's the pace working for everyone for the middle 100?
What would you prefer to see, ~20 or ~10 per day?
 
How's the pace working for everyone for the middle 100?
What would you prefer to see, ~20 or ~10 per day?

I found things a little too fast yesterday but that's probably more because I was busy and had a number of books to write up.

I doubt I'll owe many write-ups in the top 100 :bag:
 
A Wrinkle In Time - Madeleine L'Engle (1962)

I'm in a giving mood today. Psychopav is quite knowledgeable in a learned Catholic way about Christianity, so I'm going to let him explore the themes in the book. It's a young adult book, but the themes discussed in the book are very religious. L'Engle was an Episcopalian and was the writer-in-residence at the Cathedral of St. John the Divine in New York City, so she's on sure but slightly controversial Christian footing (she believed in universal salvation, i.e., that we will all be saved when we die) with her discussions of good and evil in the book, which was a rarity for a children's book at the time. And that's all I'll say and I'll turn it over to Psychopav.
Oof you've thrown quite a gauntlet on a book (series) that I read 30-40 years ago! I'll do my best but I should caveat that I didn't even see the movie that came out a few years back.

As I recall, I read this in my middle school years and then revisited these in my late teens after my real religious "reversion". At that time, I was devouring everything I could to shape my personal theological vision. That involved a lot of apologetics, catechism, and C.S. Lewis. I consider the Madeleine L'Engle and other fictional Christian (/pseudo-Christian?) works to be very important in that endeavor, because they exposed me to alternative perspectives in a way that really honed my abilities to empathize with those whose circumstances and backgrounds are different than mine. In my opinion, real life is the most important teacher in that regard, but for me personally fiction and reading in general comes a close second. This notion of empathy extends beyond religious differences, naturally, and the decidedly female perspective of L'Engle's Wrinkle in Time series is a good example of that.

Regarding A Wrinkle in Time in particular, I remember it being a great story. I was always into fantasy and when it combined with spirituality it touched a chord with me. It is interesting how few fantasy stories actually intersect with Christian theology. You would think it would be a central pillar of the genre, especially considering the indelible spirituality (dare I say, Catholicity) of the Lord of the Rings, but I have found that while fantasy touches on the same universal themes, rarely does it borrow directly from actual Western Christian mythos (Piers Anthony's Incarnations of Immortality is another notable exception). So on a purely superficial level, that familiarity alone drew me in to the L'Engle series I found it thought provoking and enlightening - I still remember the cover of A Wind in the Door which, if I'm honest, still pretty directly informs my conception of angels to this day. I tend to think of them much more akin to the winged and eyed illustration adorning that book (something right out of Ezekiel if memory serves) than the trumpet-toting, blond androgynes* of traditional stained-glass iconography.

Getting to the actual theology of the books, because of the time of life in which I read them, I can only really comment that I tended to grab onto the things that enhanced my understanding of traditional theology (like the nature of angels for example), and that I used the concepts which were outside of traditional teaching but were fertile ground for thought provoking speculation to broaden my horizons. These books are especially good for the latter - and playing with concepts which are not addressed dogmatically by the Church (like time and dimension), are probably what they are best known for. This can turn off some believers but they are certainly in bounds for faithful Catholics. This is comparable in a way to C.S. Lewis' Space Trilogy (Out of the Silent Planet, Perelandra, and That Hideous Strength), in which he perceives of extraterrestrial life, and how that would fit into the Christian mythos or J.R.R. Tolkien's Lord of the Rings theology.

Also it's just a good, fun story that's a quick read!

*eta: I had to look this word up. I had no idea what the noun-version of "androgynous" is, but I wanted it for this sentence. So if this exercise does nothing else, it has expanded my vocabulary! Kudos for that, @kupcho1 ;)
 
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How's the pace working for everyone for the middle 100?
What would you prefer to see, ~20 or ~10 per day?
Maybe just a little quick but when discussion slows down I like the next batch showing up. So I guess I would say keep on your schedule but by all means feel free to slow down or speed up if you see discussion waxing or waning.
 
How's the pace working for everyone for the middle 100?
What would you prefer to see, ~20 or ~10 per day?

I found things a little too fast yesterday but that's probably more because I was busy and had a number of books to write up.

I doubt I'll owe many write-ups in the top 100 :bag:
Yeah I’m curious how many of my books keep making it. At the start I had one on every post and thought it was cool but now it may have been a sign that there wasn’t much up top. We shall see. The Heart is a Lonely Hunter was my number 4 so that could be a bad sign for my other top picks, I don’t know.
 
I have tried to read Kavalier and Clay at least 3-4 times now. It SHOULD be right up my alley: comic books! Jews in New York and the Holocaust! American 40s and 50s historical novel! Superheroes! Sounds perfect for me. But for whatever reason I just can’t get past the first 100 pages. I should try it again…
 
I don't have any issues with the pacing, however, most of my "typing time" is done earlier in the day, and well, by the time I have my thoughts rattled off, my submissions are a few pages behind.
Not sure I'll have many more books detailed as my numbers 4 & 5 have just been listed and we're not even in the top 125 yet.

I'll make a post probably tomorrow in regard to the two most recent books as I think both are really, really good (duh).
 
139t. Birdsong by Sebastian Faulks (1993)

A big schmaltzy WWI novel that successfully combines romance and trench warfare. It begins with a pre-war prologue that sets up the romantic subplot before flashing forward to the Battle of the Somme in 1916 and continuing through the armistice. The battle scenes are gripping especially the ones where the British tunnel under the the German trench lines. Faulks adds a framing device set in the late 70s involving a descendant of one of the main characters which reveals some additional information about the WWI characters and makes some points about recovering history and its relevance to the modern day.
 
139t. Birdsong by Sebastian Faulks (1993)
I'll have to look into this one. I find it a shame that WWI has largely passed out of our shared culture other than being "the war before WWII".

We visited Verdun a few years back and it was really something to take the whole area in.
 
Hunter S Thompson - Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

My high school banned this book so we passed it around like contraband. Buy the ticket, take the ride. nufced

Unless Don Quixote wants to say more. Surprised it's just us two.

I filed this under non-fiction :oldunsure:
Is Amityville Horror in a similar category? Not that it is your selection, just piggybacking on this post and thought.
 
He's cooking! I see sweet potatoes.

The New York Trilogy by Paul Auster

Since OH dives in sometimes without giving background, I'll post this little synopsis first: "The New York Trilogy is a postmodern interpretation of detective and mystery fiction, exploring various philosophical themes."

OH: "I read this as a young man, and again a few years ago. It was my first encounter with meta-fiction, and I loved it then and surprisingly still love it. Paul Auster writing a couple of fictionalized Paul Austers could have blown up badly and ruined him so quickly. In the hands of lesser writer, it’s extraordinarily hacky and could be utterly embarrassing. But when you’re writing a mystery story about identity and its relationship to reality, that conceit starts to seem inevitable and actually enhanced the stories rather than betraying them. Despite the fact you can see everything working and the gears moving, there’s still a sense of mystery, and you feel ill at ease, because there’s no clear distinction between the world of this story and the world you inhabit.

These all are thematically connected, and could have taken place anywhere. He tried “selling out” by writing a straight mystery novel under the name Paul Benjamin and couldn’t get it published. That’s why he decided to write a metaphysical mystery work instead."
 
These all are thematically connected, and could have taken place anywhere. He tried “selling out” by writing a straight mystery novel under the name Paul Benjamin and couldn’t get it published. That’s why he decided to write a metaphysical mystery work instead."

To be fair though, it's not a very good pen name
 
Mmmm, collard greens are coming.

Tenth of December by George Saunders

"This was the first George Saunders collection I read, and I really wasn’t prepared for how great it was. I’d read his non-fiction, which is very warm and funny, and he has strong opinions and is clearly brilliant, so I thought I’d be reading really well-crafted Iowa writers’ workshop stuff, but it’s so much better than that. Less Raymond Carver and more Vladimir Nabokov. There’s an impenetrable sci-fi sheen to all of these stories, like the vibe of Severance, where a lot of them take place in no place, but like Severance and unlike sci-fi, there’s so much empathy for the humans involved that every story in one way or another is utterly heartbreaking, profoundly, deeply humanist in a way that…there just aren’t other stories like this. His voice changes from story to story but is still unique. The story about the very class-conscious dad, or the story from the POV of a veteran who goes back to see his ex-wife and wants to burn down his mother’s house in a PTSD rage…it’s people doing despicable things but who still seem human, so much more than serving a plot device or puppets explicating an idea.

Also the stories are extremely dense, so loaded the way that poetry is loaded, though not particularly lyrical. Maybe they’re more like the way jokes are loaded, where if you take out a word, it doesn’t make sense or it’s not funny anymore. Every word in the stories seems vital and impossible to ignore.

I’ve since read all of his fiction, but this is his best collection by far.”
 
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Dostoevsky's Demons (or The Possessed):

Dostoevsky's Demons (also known as The Possessed) is a dark and politically charged novel set in a provincial Russian town. It centers around the arrival of the enigmatic Nikolai Stavrogin, whose magnetic personality and complex past influence a web of interconnected characters, including the idealistic liberal Stepan Verkhovensky and his revolutionary son Pyotr. As Pyotr orchestrates a nihilistic and destructive political cell, the town descends into chaos, marked by manipulation, violence, and ultimately, tragic deaths that expose the dangerous consequences of radical ideologies and the seductive power of nihilism.

Demons stands as one of Dostoevsky's greatest works due to its profound psychological exploration of individuals consumed by destructive ideologies and its chillingly prophetic depiction of the potential for societal collapse fueled by nihilistic fervor. Its complex characters, intense drama, and sharp critique of the intellectual and political currents of 19th-century Russia make it a timeless and disturbingly relevant masterpiece.

It's a shame that I'm the only one who ranked this novel. I would be curious to know the rationale if there's anyone participating in this thread who read this book but didn't consider it for ranking. In the same way that Chernobyl helped me understand how Soviets felt national pride and "got things done" in a socialist system, Demons - written 30 years prior to the 1905 revolution - showed how socialism took root in Russian society, and how it was able to grow with the help of true believers.

Joseph Frank wrote an excellent 5 volume biography of Dostoevsky. I didn't read it, but about 10-12 years ago I read a single volume abridged version of this work (link). In that biography, Frank included a Pushkin poem entitled "The Prophet" which really hit home when I read Demons. It was translated by D.M. Thomas:

The Prophet
By A.S. Pushkin
(Translated by D.M. Thomas)

Parched with the spirit's thirst, I crossed
An endless desert sunk in gloom,
And a six-winged seraph came
Where the tracks met and I stood lost.
Fingers light as dream he laid
Upon my lids; I opened wide
My eagle eyes, and gazed around.
He laid his fingers on my ears
And they were filled with roaring sound:
I heard the music of the spheres,
The flight of angels through the skies,
The beasts that crept beneath the sea,
The heady uprush of the vine;
And, like a lover kissing me,
He rooted out this tongue of mine
Fluent in lies and vanity;
He tore my fainting lips apart
And, with his right hand steeped in blood,
He armed me with a serpent's dart;
With his bright sword he split my breast;
My heart leapt to him with a bound;
A glowing livid coal he pressed
Into the hollow of the wound.
There in the desert I lay dead.
And God called out to me and said:
'Rise, prophet, rise, and hear, and see,
And let my words be seen and heard
By all who turn aside from me.
And burn them with my fiery word.'"


ps: when I read the biography, I paused when I got to the publishing of each work, in order to read it in context, as it were. It was glorious and my family thought I was nuts.
Kind of glad you were the one to do the write-ul though. Might be the next thing I read.
 
The Heart is a Lonely Hunter by Carson McCullers

I would recommend this to fans of To Kill a Mockingbird. It’s my #4 book. Carson wrote this when she was only 23. Like all her work, it’s set in the south and shines a light on the forgotten members of society. It centers around a deaf mute and five people who find comfort in his quiet companionship: a fellow mute with mental health issues, a poor young girl who dreams of being a musician, a kind but unhappy cafe owner, a proud Black doctor who feels alienated from his family and Black community because of his education and a town drunk socialist revolutionary.

It ultimately explores loneliness, our human need for connection and belonging in the world. It’s just a beautiful humanistic work.

I want - I want - I want - was all that she could think about - but just what this real want was she did not know.
Sold. Local library has this one as well, so I will probably grab that tomorrow when Pynchon comes in. I've read 2 books in the last 5 days and finished the 1100 pg wonder that was The Way of Kings before because of this thread starting up. I was joking, but I have been ordering books that are under 300 pgs so I have a pile of those. First, I will decide on 1 of the 3 I have from the KristOH household. If I grab this one, I will have 3 of your suggestions at home and will decide on one of those after.
 
Tenth of December - George Saunders (2013)

I'm going to defer to k4 and OH and Don with the Saunders pick, too. I will say briefly that the first story of the collection with the teenage ballerina and her parent-pecked neighbor is a masterclass in how to tell a compelling short story. The scene where Saunders has the ballerina practicing her ballet down the stairs while interspersing her movements with her thoughts is just brilliant. It's a brilliance that isn't strained but is apparent and noticeable. I don't know why, but I put the book down for a second to sort of compose myself a bit before I read further. If that sounds melodramatic, well, I can get that way when somebody is at the height their powers and it's apparent that they are.

Looked at the description for some of the stories. Added to my queue.
 
Carrie by Stephen King

King's first novel, so it's a little raw. I love coming-of-age stories, and there aren't many I've read with a female lead. Great stuff. Scary too.

King has occasionally been criticized for not doing compelling female characters well, which is wild to me given this was his first novel. I know his wife with this one, but still. I'll get into other reasons that criticism is crazy when discussing his 1990's output.
 
Carrie by Stephen King

King's first novel, so it's a little raw. I love coming-of-age stories, and there aren't many I've read with a female lead. Great stuff. Scary too.

King has occasionally been criticized for not doing compelling female characters well, which is wild to me given this was his first novel. I know his wife with this one, but still. I'll get into other reasons that criticism is crazy when discussing his 1990's output.
Yeah, I've never gotten that criticism either. You could make a case that he writes females better than he does males.

He's much more problematic with writing non-caucasian characters.
 
The Heart is a Lonely Hunter by Carson McCullers

I would recommend this to fans of To Kill a Mockingbird. It’s my #4 book. Carson wrote this when she was only 23. Like all her work, it’s set in the south and shines a light on the forgotten members of society. It centers around a deaf mute and five people who find comfort in his quiet companionship: a fellow mute with mental health issues, a poor young girl who dreams of being a musician, a kind but unhappy cafe owner, a proud Black doctor who feels alienated from his family and Black community because of his education and a town drunk socialist revolutionary.

It ultimately explores loneliness, our human need for connection and belonging in the world. It’s just a beautiful humanistic work.

I want - I want - I want - was all that she could think about - but just what this real want was she did not know.
Sold. Local library has this one as well, so I will probably grab that tomorrow when Pynchon comes in. I've read 2 books in the last 5 days and finished the 1100 pg wonder that was The Way of Kings before because of this thread starting up. I was joking, but I have been ordering books that are under 300 pgs so I have a pile of those. First, I will decide on 1 of the 3 I have from the KristOH household. If I grab this one, I will have 3 of your suggestions at home and will decide on one of those after.
Nice you are stocked up and ready. Which 3 of mine are you looking at besides The Heart is…
 
The Heart is a Lonely Hunter by Carson McCullers

I would recommend this to fans of To Kill a Mockingbird. It’s my #4 book. Carson wrote this when she was only 23. Like all her work, it’s set in the south and shines a light on the forgotten members of society. It centers around a deaf mute and five people who find comfort in his quiet companionship: a fellow mute with mental health issues, a poor young girl who dreams of being a musician, a kind but unhappy cafe owner, a proud Black doctor who feels alienated from his family and Black community because of his education and a town drunk socialist revolutionary.

It ultimately explores loneliness, our human need for connection and belonging in the world. It’s just a beautiful humanistic work.

I want - I want - I want - was all that she could think about - but just what this real want was she did not know.
Sold. Local library has this one as well, so I will probably grab that tomorrow when Pynchon comes in. I've read 2 books in the last 5 days and finished the 1100 pg wonder that was The Way of Kings before because of this thread starting up. I was joking, but I have been ordering books that are under 300 pgs so I have a pile of those. First, I will decide on 1 of the 3 I have from the KristOH household. If I grab this one, I will have 3 of your suggestions at home and will decide on one of those after.
Nice you are stocked up and ready. Which 3 of mine are you looking at besides The Heart is…
I might not want to say in case the Thumper rule needs to be activated. ;)

Being Dead is what I started last night from the Krista household. I haven't decided which Chandler to read, so I think yours is between the above and Appointment in Samarra.
 
Carrie by Stephen King

King's first novel, so it's a little raw. I love coming-of-age stories, and there aren't many I've read with a female lead. Great stuff. Scary too.
Pretty fascinating backstory on this one.

 
Phase 3: Books 200 - 101 continued

I'm going to stick as close as I can to 10/day until we get closer to the top of the list, but I don't want to break up books that are tied. So here's 11

138The Sound and the FuryWilliam Faulknerchaos34, Don Quixote
137UnderworldDon DeLillokupcho1, Oliver Humanzee
136Charlotte's WebE.B. WhiteDr. Octopus, Mrs.Marco
135ExhalationTed ChiangLong Ball Larry
The Paradise of Bachelors and the Tartarus of MaidsHerman Melvillerockaction
Emma Who Saved My LifeWilton BarnhardtEephus
MausArt SpiegelmanKeithR
War and RemembranceHerman Wouktimschochet
The Satanic VersesSalman Rushdiekupcho1
The Orphan Master's SonAdam JohnsonBarry2
We Have Always Lived in the CastleShirley Jacksonilov80s, Frostillicus

We've got 7 picks that were #3s in this batch. If your #3 isn't there that's because someone else liked it. For those whose #3 book is on the list (raises hand), that means no one else liked it, they probably don't like you and you should probably go back and revisit the choices you've made along the way.

I kid, I kid.

Serious observation though: there seems to be a lot less generation angst in the book thread than the TV thread. I haven't seen any "you must be a Boomer" or "I didn't think the demographics were this skewed toward geezerdom" in here. Keep up the good work.

BTW, the Thumper Fiver comment above, I wanted to stick with rabbits, but thought Watership Down's Fiver might be a more relevant choice. Unfortunately, only 2 people ranked the book so it didn't make the top 300.
 
As we get into the top 100 (or even starting now), I’d love to know each person’s individual ranking for the book when listed.
 
Serious observation though: there seems to be a lot less generation angst in the book thread than the TV thread. I haven't seen any "you must be a Boomer" or "I didn't think the demographics were this skewed toward geezerdom" in here. Keep up the good work.

I wouldn't expect that discourse on books, since we all had to read old books in high school, and old books have always been accessible. Whether from a bookshelf at home, borrowed from a friend, to taken from the library. Not the same can be said about TV shows that aired while most of us were growing up.
 
I ranked The Satanic Verses (1988) by Salman Rushdie as my #3 book. I assume everyone is familiar with the uproar post publication of this book. I think it goes without saying it took Rushdie by surprise.
"I expected a few mullahs would be offended, call me names, and then I could defend myself in public... I honestly never expected anything like this"
If only.

For those that aren't aware, the response was a little hotter. From Wiki:
In 1989, Supreme Leader of Iran Ruhollah Khomeini declared a fatwa against Rushdie, resulting in several failed assassination attempts on the author, who was granted police protection by the UK government, and attacks on connected individuals, including the Japanese translator Hitoshi Igarashi who was stabbed to death in 1991. Assassination attempts against Rushdie continued, including an attempt on his life 34 years later, in August 2022.

So not only did they want Rushdie dead, they wanted anyone connected with the book killed. The fatwa can never be called off (given that only the person that issued it can recall it, and Khomeini died shortly after issuing it).

But what about the book?

In short, it's great. It uses magical realism and interlocking stories to illuminate the immigrant experience. There are two main characters - Gibreel Farishta and Saladin Chamcha - who miraculously survive a hijacking that culminates in a mid-air explosion) and are transformed into an angel and devil, respectively. Hijinks ensue.
Timothy Brennan called the work "the most ambitious novel yet published to deal with the immigrant experience in Britain" that captures the immigrants' dream-like disorientation and their process of "union-by-hybridization". The book is seen as "fundamentally a study in alienation"

The comparisons to other authors is simply a calvalcade of greatness:
Rushdie's influences have long been a point of interest to scholars examining his work. According to W. J. Weatherby, influences on The Satanic Verses were listed as James Joyce, Italo Calvino, Franz Kafka, Frank Herbert, Thomas Pynchon, Mervyn Peake, Gabriel García Márquez, Jean-Luc Godard, J. G. Ballard, and William S. Burroughs. According to the author himself, he was inspired to write the novel by the work of Mikhail Bulgakov, The Master and Margarita. Angela Carter writes that the novel contains "inventions such as the city of Jahilia, 'built entirely of sand,' that gives a nod to Calvino and a wink to Frank Herbert".

So why the fatwa? Well, the dream sequences are problematic, in particular (IMHO) the first one
Embedded in this story is a series of half-magic dream vision narratives, ascribed to the mind of Farishta.

One of the sequences is a fictionalised narration of the life of Muhammad (called "Mahound" or "the Messenger" in the novel) in Mecca (called Jahilia in the novel). At its centre is the episode of the so-called satanic verses, in which the prophet first proclaims a revelation requiring the adoption of three of the old polytheistic deities, but later renounces this as an error induced by the Devil. There are also two opponents of the "Messenger": a heathen priestess, Hind, and a skeptic and satirical poet, Baal. When the prophet returns to Mecca in triumph, Baal goes into hiding in an underground brothel, where the prostitutes assume the identities of the prophet's wives. One of the prophet's companions escapes to Jahilia and claims that he, doubting the authenticity of the "Messenger", has subtly altered portions of the Quran as they were dictated to him, seemingly disproving Mahound's divine revelation. When Mahound takes over Jahilia, he has Baal and the prostitutes executed, though Hind's supernatural machinations are implied to have caused Mahound's illness and eventual death.

Apparently the Satanic verses existed in early Islam (although they were not referred to as such; the term was believed to be coined by Sir William Muir in 1858).
The words praise the three pagan Meccan goddesses: al-Lāt, al-'Uzzá, and Manāt and can be read in early prophetic biographies of Muhammad by al-Wāqidī, Ibn Sa'd and the tafsir of al-Tabarī. Religious authorities recorded the story for the first two centuries of the Islamic era. Strong objections to the historicity of the Satanic Verses incident were, however, raised as early as the tenth century. By the 13th century, most Islamic scholars (Ulama) started to reject it on the basis of it being inconsistent with the theological principle of 'iṣmat al-anbiyā (impeccability of the prophets) and the methodological principle of isnad-criticism. According to some Islamic traditions, God sent Satan as a tempter to test the audience. Others categorically deny that this incident ever happened.

This wouldn't be the first time a major religion tried to walk something back. In any event, the damage (to Rushdie, certainly, and to Islam in their view as well) was done.


tl;dr This is a great book that caused a ****storm. RIYL free speech.
 
Serious observation though: there seems to be a lot less generation angst in the book thread than the TV thread. I haven't seen any "you must be a Boomer" or "I didn't think the demographics were this skewed toward geezerdom" in here. Keep up the good work.

I wouldn't expect that discourse on books, since we all had to read old books in high school, and old books have always been accessible. Whether from a bookshelf at home, borrowed from a friend, to taken from the library. Not the same can be said about TV shows that aired while most of us were growing up.
agree and books don’t age the way visual mediums like tv and movies do. There’s no black and white or hd or sound quality to deal with. Sure there’s some changes in cultural mores and points of view and language but it’s not as jarring to read a 70 year old book as it might be to see a 70 year old movie.
 
We Have Always Lived in a Castle by Shirley Jackson

It’s opening paragraph is often regarded as one of the weirdest and best in modern fiction.

My name is Mary Katherine Blackwood. I am eighteen years old, and I live with my sister Constance. I have often thought that with any luck at all I could have been born a werewolf, because the two middle fingers on both my hands are the same length, but I have had to be content with what I had. I dislike washing myself, and dogs, and noise. I like my sister Constance, and Richard Plantagenet, and Amanita phalloides, the death-cup mushroom. Everyone else in my family is dead.

Creepy, uneasy, gothic, mysterious, odd. The whole novel is there in the first few lines by our young guide. While some might say we are lead through the story by an unreliable narrator. I would say it’s less that she’s unreliable and more that she’s unconcerned with the reader. She’s not telling her story so we can understand it. She’s simply telling what pleases her and and how it pleases her.

A pretty sight, a lady with a book.
 
Old Man's War by John Scalzi

John is a 75 year old widower. Instead of going on by himself he joins the military, to protect Earth's planetary colonies.
His dna is used to create a fit young body. His mind is transferred to the clone and he becomes a soldier along with other
old people. What I remember the most is the recruits are given a week to get used to their new bodies. They're free to use
whatever facility or training equipment they want. Immediately everyone grabs a partner, runs to their rooms and starts having sex.

Stranger in a Strange Land by Robert Heinlein

The spaceship Envoy goes missing on a mission to Mars. 25 years later a different spaceship makes contact with Mars and learns there was a sole survivor. Someone who was born on the Envoy and raised by Martians. He's taken to earth and becomes a celebrity where he starts to study religion. He creates a Martian influenced religion.
 
Phase 3: Books 200 - 101 continued

I'm going to stick as close as I can to 10/day until we get closer to the top of the list, but I don't want to break up books that are tied. So here's 11



138The Sound and the FuryWilliam Faulknerchaos34, Don Quixote
137UnderworldDon DeLillokupcho1, Oliver Humanzee
136Charlotte's WebE.B. WhiteDr. Octopus, Mrs.Marco
135ExhalationTed ChiangLong Ball Larry
The Paradise of Bachelors and the Tartarus of MaidsHerman Melvillerockaction
Emma Who Saved My LifeWilton BarnhardtEephus
MausArt SpiegelmanKeithR
War and RemembranceHerman Wouktimschochet
The Satanic VersesSalman Rushdiekupcho1
The Orphan Master's SonAdam JohnsonBarry2
We Have Always Lived in the CastleShirley Jacksonilov80s, Frostillicus

We've got 7 picks that were #3s in this batch. If your #3 isn't there that's because someone else liked it. For those whose #3 book is on the list (raises hand), that means no one else liked it, they probably don't like you and you should probably go back and revisit the choices you've made along the way.

I kid, I kid.

Serious observation though: there seems to be a lot less generation angst in the book thread than the TV thread. I haven't seen any "you must be a Boomer" or "I didn't think the demographics were this skewed toward geezerdom" in here. Keep up the good work.

BTW, the Thumper Fiver comment above, I wanted to stick with rabbits, but thought Watership Down's Fiver might be a more relevant choice. Unfortunately, only 2 people ranked the book so it didn't make the top 300.
 
Phase 3: Books 200 - 101 continued

I'm going to stick as close as I can to 10/day until we get closer to the top of the list, but I don't want to break up books that are tied. So here's 11


138The Sound and the FuryWilliam Faulknerchaos34, Don Quixote
137UnderworldDon DeLillokupcho1, Oliver Humanzee
136Charlotte's WebE.B. WhiteDr. Octopus, Mrs.Marco
135ExhalationTed ChiangLong Ball Larry
The Paradise of Bachelors and the Tartarus of MaidsHerman Melvillerockaction
Emma Who Saved My LifeWilton BarnhardtEephus
MausArt SpiegelmanKeithR
War and RemembranceHerman Wouktimschochet
The Satanic VersesSalman Rushdiekupcho1
The Orphan Master's SonAdam JohnsonBarry2
We Have Always Lived in the CastleShirley Jacksonilov80s, Frostillicus

We've got 7 picks that were #3s in this batch. If your #3 isn't there that's because someone else liked it. For those whose #3 book is on the list (raises hand), that means no one else liked it, they probably don't like you and you should probably go back and revisit the choices you've made along the way.

I kid, I kid.

Serious observation though: there seems to be a lot less generation angst in the book thread than the TV thread. I haven't seen any "you must be a Boomer" or "I didn't think the demographics were this skewed toward geezerdom" in here. Keep up the good work.

BTW, the Thumper Fiver comment above, I wanted to stick with rabbits, but thought Watership Down's Fiver might be a more relevant choice. Unfortunately, only 2 people ranked the book so it didn't make the top 300.
Changed color to black font in the text too.
 
Phase 3: Books 200 - 101 continued

I'm going to stick as close as I can to 10/day until we get closer to the top of the list, but I don't want to break up books that are tied. So here's 11



138The Sound and the FuryWilliam Faulknerchaos34, Don Quixote
137UnderworldDon DeLillokupcho1, Oliver Humanzee
136Charlotte's WebE.B. WhiteDr. Octopus, Mrs.Marco
135ExhalationTed ChiangLong Ball Larry
The Paradise of Bachelors and the Tartarus of MaidsHerman Melvillerockaction
Emma Who Saved My LifeWilton BarnhardtEephus
MausArt SpiegelmanKeithR
War and RemembranceHerman Wouktimschochet
The Satanic VersesSalman Rushdiekupcho1
The Orphan Master's SonAdam JohnsonBarry2
We Have Always Lived in the CastleShirley Jacksonilov80s, Frostillicus

We've got 7 picks that were #3s in this batch. If your #3 isn't there that's because someone else liked it. For those whose #3 book is on the list (raises hand), that means no one else liked it, they probably don't like you and you should probably go back and revisit the choices you've made along the way.

I kid, I kid.

Serious observation though: there seems to be a lot less generation angst in the book thread than the TV thread. I haven't seen any "you must be a Boomer" or "I didn't think the demographics were this skewed toward geezerdom" in here. Keep up the good work.

BTW, the Thumper Fiver comment above, I wanted to stick with rabbits, but thought Watership Down's Fiver might be a more relevant choice. Unfortunately, only 2 people ranked the book so it didn't make the top 300.

@kupcho1 , Charlotte's Web was also on my list - #48

ETA: I might not have had periods in E.B. White's name - sorry if that messed it up.
 
Phase 3: Books 200 - 101 continued

I'm going to stick as close as I can to 10/day until we get closer to the top of the list, but I don't want to break up books that are tied. So here's 11


138The Sound and the FuryWilliam Faulknerchaos34, Don Quixote
137UnderworldDon DeLillokupcho1, Oliver Humanzee
136Charlotte's WebE.B. WhiteDr. Octopus, Mrs.Marco
135ExhalationTed ChiangLong Ball Larry
The Paradise of Bachelors and the Tartarus of MaidsHerman Melvillerockaction
Emma Who Saved My LifeWilton BarnhardtEephus
MausArt SpiegelmanKeithR
War and RemembranceHerman Wouktimschochet
The Satanic VersesSalman Rushdiekupcho1
The Orphan Master's SonAdam JohnsonBarry2
We Have Always Lived in the CastleShirley Jacksonilov80s, Frostillicus

We've got 7 picks that were #3s in this batch. If your #3 isn't there that's because someone else liked it. For those whose #3 book is on the list (raises hand), that means no one else liked it, they probably don't like you and you should probably go back and revisit the choices you've made along the way.

I kid, I kid.

Serious observation though: there seems to be a lot less generation angst in the book thread than the TV thread. I haven't seen any "you must be a Boomer" or "I didn't think the demographics were this skewed toward geezerdom" in here. Keep up the good work.

BTW, the Thumper Fiver comment above, I wanted to stick with rabbits, but thought Watership Down's Fiver might be a more relevant choice. Unfortunately, only 2 people ranked the book so it didn't make the top 300.
Test, test. Clicked the eraser icon in the bottom right corner of the font color palette this time.

ETA: Looks normal to me in light mode and looks normal to me when I flipped over to dark mode. There you go.
 
Phase 3: Books 200 - 101 continued

I'm going to stick as close as I can to 10/day until we get closer to the top of the list, but I don't want to break up books that are tied. So here's 11



138The Sound and the FuryWilliam Faulknerchaos34, Don Quixote
137UnderworldDon DeLillokupcho1, Oliver Humanzee
136Charlotte's WebE.B. WhiteDr. Octopus, Mrs.Marco
135ExhalationTed ChiangLong Ball Larry
The Paradise of Bachelors and the Tartarus of MaidsHerman Melvillerockaction
Emma Who Saved My LifeWilton BarnhardtEephus
MausArt SpiegelmanKeithR
War and RemembranceHerman Wouktimschochet
The Satanic VersesSalman Rushdiekupcho1
The Orphan Master's SonAdam JohnsonBarry2
We Have Always Lived in the CastleShirley Jacksonilov80s, Frostillicus

We've got 7 picks that were #3s in this batch. If your #3 isn't there that's because someone else liked it. For those whose #3 book is on the list (raises hand), that means no one else liked it, they probably don't like you and you should probably go back and revisit the choices you've made along the way.

I kid, I kid.

Serious observation though: there seems to be a lot less generation angst in the book thread than the TV thread. I haven't seen any "you must be a Boomer" or "I didn't think the demographics were this skewed toward geezerdom" in here. Keep up the good work.

BTW, the Thumper Fiver comment above, I wanted to stick with rabbits, but thought Watership Down's Fiver might be a more relevant choice. Unfortunately, only 2 people ranked the book so it didn't make the top 300.

@kupcho1 , Charlotte's Web was also on my list - #48

ETA: I might not have had periods in E.B. White's name - sorry if that messed it up.
I remember sitting cross legged while Mrs. Weitzel read this to us in grade 1.
 
War and Remembrance by Herman Wouk

Should not be read without The Winds of War; it’s really one big novel.

This is Wouk’s magnum opus; he admitted to being heavily influenced by War and Peace and attempts to translate that to a telling of World War Two. It’s an amazing work; a vast group of fictional characters centering around the Henry family (an American naval family) interact with real life historical figures. I have read this several times in my life; the main characters seem quite real to me, like old friends.
 

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