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The FBG Top 300 Books of All Time (fiction edition) | #6 A Game of Thrones by George R.R. Martin | Running list in posts #3 and #4 (26 Viewers)

Also, I didn't read Moby in hs. I read it at 33 in 95. I was in a writing group led by a literary agent with one of my then best friends. She was Dean Koontz literary agent, btw. She was shepherding 9 of us wannabes. We had the spirited Melville discussion. I hadn't read it and just kept quiet. She pointed out those that read it in hs, likely abridged, were anti. Those that digested the full tome later in life were pro. Our discussion was a byproduct of a comment that was going a little viral from a tv talk show: "Nobody has really read all of Moby ****." This was met with laughter on the show.

So like Mrs.Marco, being a sucker for seafaring stories (mostly pirates for me), I decided to really read all of Moby. It was such a humbling experience for a wannabe, it contributed to me coming to my senses and giving up my dream of publishing a novel.
Write your bad novel--and then keep at it making it a better novel. I promise that's what Melville did. It's the process :)
She'd never tell this about herself, but I will. Mrs.M has published 4 novels, 2 YA and 2 middle grade. Three with Harper Collins and one with a small indie press.

I've watched her read, research, write, read and research more, re-write (x 25) and get rejected, so many times over the past 20 years. But it eventually paid off for her. So hold on to that dream, @Chaos34 !

I have to say it. That’s so cool.
 
Here at any rate is Ignatius Reilly, without progenitor in any literature I know of—slob extraordinary, a mad Oliver Hardy, a fat Don Quixote, a perverse Thomas Aquinas rolled into one—who is in violent revolt against the entire modern age, lying in his flannel nightshirt, in a back bedroom on Constantinople Street in New Orleans, who between gigantic seizures of flatulence and eructations is filling dozens of Big Chief tablets with invective.


11A Confederacy of DuncesJohn Kennedy Toolekupcho1, TheBaylorKid, Mrs.Marco, Barry2, Oliver Humanzee, rockaction, Long Ball Larry

11. A Confederacy of Dunces by John Kennedy Toole
kupcho1: #2 :clap:
Barry2: #7 :clap:
rockaction: #10 :clap:
Long Ball Larry: #12
Mrs.Marco: #21
TheBaylorKid: #23
Oliver Humanzee: #36
Total points: 567
Average: 81.0

A Confederacy of Dunces was published in 1980 and won the Pulitzer in 1981, but the road to get there was not a smooth one. The book was actually written in 1963 and, well let me just pull this from Wiki:
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[T]he book would never have been published if Toole's mother had not found a smeared carbon copy of the manuscript left in the house following Toole's 1969 death at 31. She was persistent and tried several different publishers, to no avail.

Thelma repeatedly called Walker Percy, an author and college instructor at Loyola University New Orleans, to demand for him to read it. He initially resisted; however, as he recounts in the book's foreword:

...the lady was persistent, and it somehow came to pass that she stood in my office handing me the hefty manuscript. There was no getting out of it; only one hope remained—that I could read a few pages and that they would be bad enough for me, in good conscience, to read no farther. Usually I can do just that. Indeed the first paragraph often suffices. My only fear was that this one might not be bad enough, or might be just good enough, so that I would have to keep reading. In this case I read on. And on. First with the sinking feeling that it was not bad enough to quit, then with a prickle of interest, then a growing excitement, and finally an incredulity: surely it was not possible that it was so good.
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I still find the book to be hilarious even though it was written in 1963 and I've only been to New Orleans once so I'm unfamiliar with a lot of the local references. Here's Walker from the foreward:
"I hesitate to use the word comedy - though comedy it is - because that implies simply a funny book, and this novel is a great deal more than that. A great rumbling farce of Falstaffian dimensionswould better describe it; commedia would be closer to it."

It's even got a great opening quote (or whatever the term of art is for the quotation often found before the novel begins):
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him.
- Jonathan Swift

I'd write more, but my pyloric valve has snapped shut due to a lack of a proper geometry and theology in this modern world.
 
FYI, we've got one more tie remaining, this one at #9.
So, should I release both on Monday, or release one Monday and one Tuesday (the one with 1 more nomination)?
 
I can’t believe I dinged Confederacy down to only number ten. I read that book in 1998, and I couldn’t believe Toole wrote it before 1965. Huh?

Don’t forget, the book was finished in ‘63. I don’t think the public had any inkling of the upheavals to come in America. You maybe had the Free Speech Movement at Berkeley, but that wasn’t until ‘64. Our tragic author already had its internal contradictions fleshed out, skewering hippie hypocrisies and apostasies before the big coalescences had happened. They hadn’t formed, never mind undergoing all their mutations and syntheses. That is either New Orleans being ten years ahead of its time or a truly insightful person that beggars belief. It’s almost assuredly the latter.

How do you predict not just a movement, but its sub-movements, its individual archetypes (or just “types”), its internal contradictions, its societal pull and the arc of its interactions w/society, its bloat and then assimilation followed by its eventual hypocrisies and death by ridicule?

And that’s only part of the book. Ten might be very low.

But you know what also? I won’t go brutalist emo, but the book’s backdrop, once you fill everything in, makes it tremendously sad. I don’t know. The thought of his mother assembling a pad of writing (and I won’t presume anything; although I’m almost damn sure I can give an educated guess about its condition and the condition under which it was created) to bring to a local professor has no happy ending. In hope of what? Her gesture and act is its own end. And I just never dug how that must have been.
 
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I know I'm in the minority here, but ACOD really didn't do much for me. I didn't find it nearly as funny as it was lauded to be. Possibly knowing what happened to the author put me in the wrong mind set, because I found Ignatius to be depressing.
 
I know I'm in the minority here, but ACOD really didn't do much for me. I didn't find it nearly as funny as it was lauded to be. Possibly knowing what happened to the author put me in the wrong mind set, because I found Ignatius to be depressing.
I'm with this guy. Maybe it was too hyped up and my expectations were too high but I thought it was a good book. Not a great book.
 
I know I'm in the minority here, but ACOD really didn't do much for me. I didn't find it nearly as funny as it was lauded to be. Possibly knowing what happened to the author put me in the wrong mind set, because I found Ignatius to be depressing.
I'm with this guy. Maybe it was too hyped up and my expectations were too high but I thought it was a good book. Not a great book.
I think expectations were part of my issue. It missed my 70, but I think it would have made it if I went to 100. I think it may have been the comparisons of it to a modern day Don Quixote that impacted my mindset. I obviously love DQ, and, sure, some things in common, but I thought DQ was a lot more likeable with noble, although misguided, intentions; I did not really get that out of Ignatius. Maybe if I read it without that prejudicing me, I would have liked it more.
 
I put Confederacy of Dunces at #21--I might have read it before I ever got spend time in New Orleans, a city I find as unique and captivating as this novel. I also want to say that this book is a good example for why people who have that tickling urge to write a novel should definitely write that novel. You never know what will happen to a story once it's written. And I'm certainly glad to have Confederacy of Dunces in the world!
 
It might just not be a book that makes sense at such a young age maybe. Perhaps its themes just don’t quite resonate with teens. Age is so important for when a book works best.
I agree that high school students get stuck reading way too many books that they're not ready to read, and that makes people think that they hate reading.
I think it is a combo of not ready for some themes and not meeting students 1/2 way on books to read. It doesn't ALL have to be Shakespeare and classic lit, does it?
I feel like schools do better now about that. Just off the top of my head, I’ve been at 2 different HS and these modern books were pretty widely read

Speak by Laurie Halse Anderson- story of a HS freshman dealing with trauma, lack of friends, poor family relationship.

The Glass Castle by Jeanette Walls- true story of a girl growing up with poor, eclectic and neglectful parents

Into the Wild by Jon Krakauer- true story of a very intelligent but unprepared young man who heads out into the Alaska wilderness on his own and dies.

Monster by Walter Dean Myers- the story of a 16 year old Black boy awaiting trial for murder written as a series of letters and a movie script by the fictional boy himself

They almost always go over quite well with the kids.
All of those books are such great reads--I like the combo of YA books (now in a golden age) and books that make teen readers stretch a bit more like the two memoirs.
Yep and obviously trying to get more female storytellers, people of color, people coming from difficult but relatable backgrounds. Into the Wild is fun because it can be posed as a bit of a mystery and there’s some very differing opinions one can walk away with when it comes to McCandles. Plus theres even info after the book was made about some of its validity. Speak is great too because it has the big shock as kids slowly realize what happened but I do struggle sometimes because it might not too close for some kids. To trigger warning or to leave her surprise? A debate I always have but so far I think I’ve managed to balance it.
I am so glad to know that these books are reaching teens in the classroom--my own daughters got stuck with old duds (for people their age) like The Scarlett Letter. I do believe representation through reading is key to understanding each other as humans in the modern world. Thank you for doing your part!!!!
 
I haven't read A Confederacy of Dunces. I just asked OH about it, and he said that, together with "Geek Love" by Katherine Dunn (#53 on his list), he believes it's one of the two best "one-offs" in the history of novels.

I did have Walker Percy's "The Moviegoer" on my list at #55, so I'm at least John Kennedy Toole-adjacent.
 
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Moby **** was a DNF for me ~20 years ago. Melville’s writing style was not working for me. It may be one of those should try again, as have sometimes gone back to books a second time and they have resonated better.
Can't think of a worse book to assign to children who have, at that point in their lives, read maybe a half-dozen grown up books, none of which were Milton or apocryphal Gospels.

Melville had such an agile, absorbing mind that he could effortlessly slip in and out of biblical allusion and a quasi-religious voice without the reader realizing it. No high-schooler with a few Stephen Kings under their belt is going parse the humor in a Lot's Wife/Salty Sea type joke.

In fact, I'd wager that few non-scholars are going to wrest everything they can from this, The Greatest American Novel.

I once had a conversation with an actual philosopher wherein I sheepishly confessed my difficulty with reading Kant. He was incredulous. "You are reading KANT? On your OWN? For FUN?" He likened it to deciding to take up mountain climbing then immediately flying to Nepal to see whats up with those Himalayas. There's a reason that most 101 level philosophy courses dont have students read more that brief excerpts of primary texts--it takes a lot of practice and a little
professional guidance to parse that stuff.

I think Moby **** is like that. Just raw-dogging an unannotated text is setting yourself up for all kinds of failure.

I recommend the Norton Critical Edition and/or http://www.powermobydick.com/. You might be able to find some excellent lectures on youtube as well.
 
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Moby **** was a DNF for me ~20 years ago. Melville’s writing style was not working for me. It may be one of those should try again, as have sometimes gone back to books a second time and they have resonated better.
Can't think of a worse book to assign to children who have, at that point in their lives, read maybe a half-dozen grown up books, none of which were Milton or apocryphal Gospels.

Melville had such an agile, absorbing mind that he could effortlessly slip in and out of biblical allusion and a quasi-religious voice without the reader realizing it. No high-schooler with a few Stephen Kings under their belt is going parse the humor in a Lot's Wife/Salty Sea type joke.

In fact, I'd wager that few non-scholars are going to wrest everything they can from this, The Greatest American Novel.

I once had a conversation with an actual philosopher wherein I sheepishly confessed my difficulty with reading Kant. He was incredulous. "You are reading KANT? On your OWN? For FUN?" He likened it to deciding to take up mountain climbing then immediately flying to Nepal to see whats up with those Himalayas. There's a reason that most 101 level philosophy courses dont have students read more that brief excerpts of primary texts--it takes a lot of practice and a little
professional guidance to parse that stuff.

I think Moby **** is like that. Just raw-dogging an unannotated text is setting yourself up for all kinds of failure.

I recommend the Norton Critical Edition and/or http://www.powermobydick.com/. You might be able to find some excellent lectures on youtube as well.
Like, no social media whatsoever? Not even Snapchat?
 
I found Ignatius to be depressing.

I thought DQ was a lot more likeable with noble, although misguided, intentions; I did not really get that out of Ignatius.

Count me among those who did not like Ignatius. I never did understand why all the actors wanted to play him nor why people seemed to lionize him. I still loved the book. I thought about him in a few ways that allowed me to be okay with him as the main character in the novel. The way I thought about Ignatius most of the time was that I simultaneously disliked him yet thought of his character as having an important verisimilitude through which the author would try to tell the most completely full story about humanity that his talents allowed.* Another way I would think about Ignatius is recognizing (a few years after I first read the novel) that my life and its circumstances were such that the book had become incredibly illuminating and relevant in profound ways, and while I've never particularly liked him, the story and its import made it easier to bear with him. So that's an entirely personal reason that probably wouldn't help or resonate with too many other readers.

* I've now worked on this way, way too long and too exactingly. I've been trying to also convey in this sentence how important the author's (and the novel's) time period and setting are, but I can't seem to. They're incredibly unique and difficult to overstate.
 
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I once had a conversation with an actual philosopher wherein I sheepishly confessed my difficulty with reading Kant. He was incredulous. "You are reading KANT? On your OWN? For FUN?" He likened it to deciding to take up mountain climbing then immediately flying to Nepal to see whats up with those Himalayas. There's a reason that most 101 level philosophy courses dont have students read more that brief excerpts of primary texts--it takes a lot of practice and a little
professional guidance to parse that stuff.

I hate reading philosophical texts. I mean the actual ones written by the philosophers. Give me the intermediary (any intermediary who wants to wade through the archaism and whatever jargon they were using) to make it comprehensible. I honestly don't care if I get Marxist readings/interpretations of Robert Nozick or if Robert Bork and Leonard Leo give their hermeneutical analysis of the development of Hegel's history with the power triad of "Fukuyama-Kojeve-Hegel"

I'm kidding about the above, but not about the sentiment. The only reason I can tell you about the any part of the concept of Hegel's philosophy of history is because you can actually understand Francis Fukuyama, a man who was completely mocked by some of the French lit crit guys and is still much maligned for writing a book that I could actually read.

Holy heck this got long. Just memories below. If you feel obligated to read all the posts, skip to ASCII guy shrugging.

Aside: I had a kind of wild class with an "unconventional" professor who was "unconventional" (read: lone right-wing survivor on campus?!) because he was a straight, married Catholic who was a father of about eight or nine kids (maybe more?), which made him pretty traditional and anachronistic. But he was very wry and I guess he had a touch of mischief in him. He would do things like take a page from William F. Buckley, Jr.(none of us had any clue) and sing John Lennon's "Imagine" in class and tell us, “please don’t repeat this” and then talk about how he wasn't entirely crushed when Lennon was no longer the voice of his generation. Or he’d ask me really funny, personal **** about about my roommate of three years, who was on par with the professor in innate intelligence—the professor stopped one of his other classes and said, “I want you all to listen when Dan says something because we can all learn something when he does”—and also his Catholicism (Dan spent a year after graduation in a Rhode Island monastery).

I remember him asking me one day (and I didn’t know this guy at all at this point),

“Why is Dan all lovesick and following that girl around like a puppy dog all the time?”

“Huh? Dunno. Who?”

“She’s in your class. You know, the blond girl who looks like a refugee?"

I was a bit shocked and just genuinely laughed. That refugee-looking girl was our friend Kelly. She was stunning. She also happened to dress in that ‘90s style that hearkened back to the glory days of the Peace Corps. ****, I was 22 and I’d been to a high school where the blue in the American flags never saw the top corner anywhere but officially, and then the investment bankers and identity studies at college. Speaking freely while also not saying dumb **** felt like massive amounts of air back in one’s lungs. Things were a heck of a lot quainter in 1996, even if the decade was much weirder than the next three would be. Maybe not quainter. Maybe just nicer.

So we read Francis Fukuyama, Allan Bloom, Kant, and Nietzsche in a seminar that seminar, which was called "Freedom and Authority," and the class was all over the place temporally, but completely riveting because it was not all eggheads by any stretch; so you got to speak a touch more freely like I did when I did an oral presentation about men and women in Nietzsche's "The Gay Science," and I think I said something like "It doesn't matter if I never play professionally because she's going to revere me even if I'm stuck in Kalamazoo playing in Division II of the local men's league wearing my Pizza Hut jersey," which actually caused this girl named Lisa __man to corner my girlfriend in a bar that weekend and accost her about the substantive points in my presentation, something I could have played innocent about while crying about political correctness (or "wokeism" these days), but **** all if I didn't know exactly what the hell I was saying despite pointing to the text over the howling. Oh dear God. In fairness to myself, I think the professor had assigned the topic. I’m sort of remembering it that way—wait, I think it was by mutual agreement. Regardless, I took that cilice like a champ and sprinted straight into the arms of all my welcoming bros.

Kant was borderline impossible, but I could read Fukuyama and Bloom no problem. Bloom's book was like swimming in a crisp mountain gorge after five years of that squalid nutcakery or the future consultants Nodding Towards McKinsey —anyway, that class was such a welcome respite. I needed it.

This is the last bit: I remember the professor would teach us the categorical imperative by standing up, walking around, and booming out the words "DUTY" and "KINGDOM OF ENDS." In retrospect, the guy was really funny. He would ruefully remind us that the Constitution had no duties. I really miss people like that. The oldsters who taught Civics and smoked through the chalk dust in their classrooms.

Anyway, I still think that Fukuyama is one of the most impressive political scientists and political philosophy intellects that we have.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯


I just read the article I posted above and did a double-take. Holy cow. Thank you for the information, Augustus, but has anybody told Fukuyama? Hey Frank, your thesis that was once debated and known the world over? We've got some news. It was wrong because you read a freaking appended footnote by Kojeve incorrectly! You thought it was THE End of History, but it was really AN End of History! Check your articles, bizznatch! LOL.
 
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There is nothing like looking, if you want to find something. You certainly usually find something, if you look, but it is not always quite the something you were after.


9 (t)The HobbitJ.R.R. Tolkienturnjose7, guru_007, Dr. Octopus, scoobus, TheBaylorKid, Frostillicus, Dr_Zaius, Psychopav

9 (t). The Hobbit by J.R.R. Tolkien
TheBaylorKid: #1 :towelwave:
guru_007: #7 :clap:
turnjose7: #14
Dr. Octopus: #17
Psychopav: #20
scoobus: #22
Frostillicus: #22
Dr_Zaius: #40
Total points: 590
Average: 73.8

For a book Tolkien himself didn't seem to care for much, it was pretty well received having been included on 8 of 22 lists and hitting #1 for @TheBaylorKid


I don't much approve of the Hobbit myself, preferring my own mythology (which is just touched on) with its consistent nomenclature - Elrond, Gondolin, and Esgaroth have escaped out of it - and organized history, to this rabble of Eddaic-named dwarves out of the Völuspá, newfangled hobbits and gollums
 
There is nothing like looking, if you want to find something. You certainly usually find something, if you look, but it is not always quite the something you were after.


9 (t)The HobbitJ.R.R. Tolkienturnjose7, guru_007, Dr. Octopus, scoobus, TheBaylorKid, Frostillicus, Dr_Zaius, Psychopav

9 (t). The Hobbit by J.R.R. Tolkien
TheBaylorKid: #1 :towelwave:
guru_007: #7 :clap:
turnjose7: #14
Dr. Octopus: #17
Psychopav: #20
scoobus: #22
Frostillicus: #22
Dr_Zaius: #40
Total points: 590
Average: 73.8

For a book Tolkien himself didn't seem to care for much, it was pretty well received having been included on 8 of 22 lists and hitting #1 for @TheBaylorKid


I don't much approve of the Hobbit myself, preferring my own mythology (which is just touched on) with its consistent nomenclature - Elrond, Gondolin, and Esgaroth have escaped out of it - and organized history, to this rabble of Eddaic-named dwarves out of the Völuspá, newfangled hobbits and gollums
I am nervous how many LOTR books are going to make up the top 10.
 
There is nothing like looking, if you want to find something. You certainly usually find something, if you look, but it is not always quite the something you were after.


9 (t)The HobbitJ.R.R. Tolkienturnjose7, guru_007, Dr. Octopus, scoobus, TheBaylorKid, Frostillicus, Dr_Zaius, Psychopav

9 (t). The Hobbit by J.R.R. Tolkien
TheBaylorKid: #1 :towelwave:
guru_007: #7 :clap:
turnjose7: #14
Dr. Octopus: #17
Psychopav: #20
scoobus: #22
Frostillicus: #22
Dr_Zaius: #40
Total points: 590
Average: 73.8

For a book Tolkien himself didn't seem to care for much, it was pretty well received having been included on 8 of 22 lists and hitting #1 for @TheBaylorKid


I don't much approve of the Hobbit myself, preferring my own mythology (which is just touched on) with its consistent nomenclature - Elrond, Gondolin, and Esgaroth have escaped out of it - and organized history, to this rabble of Eddaic-named dwarves out of the Völuspá, newfangled hobbits and gollums
It's a classic and actually pretty sweet for the genre.
 
I am nervous how many LOTR books are going to make up the top 10.
Should it appear on the list, it will only appear once. This is the only series that stands as a single entry, again, if it actually made the list.
😟
Oh I didn’t realize that decision was made to condense the series into one.
I think it was partly my whining before the lists started rolling in, then I ended up not participating in this countdown :lol: There's a lot of documentation out there that Tolkien wrote it as one book and that the publisher split it into three books for cost reasons.
 
There is nothing like looking, if you want to find something. You certainly usually find something, if you look, but it is not always quite the something you were after.


9 (t)The HobbitJ.R.R. Tolkienturnjose7, guru_007, Dr. Octopus, scoobus, TheBaylorKid, Frostillicus, Dr_Zaius, Psychopav

9 (t). The Hobbit by J.R.R. Tolkien
TheBaylorKid: #1 :towelwave:
guru_007: #7 :clap:
turnjose7: #14
Dr. Octopus: #17
Psychopav: #20
scoobus: #22
Frostillicus: #22
Dr_Zaius: #40
Total points: 590
Average: 73.8

For a book Tolkien himself didn't seem to care for much, it was pretty well received having been included on 8 of 22 lists and hitting #1 for @TheBaylorKid


I don't much approve of the Hobbit myself, preferring my own mythology (which is just touched on) with its consistent nomenclature - Elrond, Gondolin, and Esgaroth have escaped out of it - and organized history, to this rabble of Eddaic-named dwarves out of the Völuspá, newfangled hobbits and gollums
It's a classic and actually pretty sweet for the genre.

I've already stated that I ranked both The Silmarillion and The Lord of the Rings higher, but The Hobbit has my favorite opening chapter of any book I've ever read. The meeting of Bilbo and Gandalf is absolutely perfect.
 
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I was 9 or 10 or 11 when I first read The Hobbit. I loved it. Still do and will re-read it every few years. It's not a big time commitment, as the book is only a couple of hundred pages and flies by from episode to episode. Speaking of "flies by"......

You know what doesn't fly by? Peter Jackson's film version. That was like going through slow-motion tooth extraction for 9 hours. Jackson was wholly enamored with new tech by this point and he seemed to forget who the title character is for looooooong stretches. I know Jackson came in late to "save" it and the films made a mint but - outside of a few individual scenes (Bilbo/Gollum, Bilbo/Smaug, a couple of others) - it's a mess.
 
Maybe I should try The Hobbit. I remember loving the hell out of the animated movie back in the day, and have a hazy memory of having the book on record or tape (was that even a thing?) as a kid.
 
Maybe I should try The Hobbit. I remember loving the hell out of the animated movie back in the day, and have a hazy memory of having the book on record or tape (was that even a thing?) as a kid.
I remember a BBC production way back when, but that was more like a play than having a single narrator. I know there are narrator-read audio versions nowadays.
 
Maybe I should try The Hobbit. I remember loving the hell out of the animated movie back in the day, and have a hazy memory of having the book on record or tape (was that even a thing?) as a kid.
I remember a BBC production way back when, but that was more like a play than having a single narrator. I know there are narrator-read audio versions nowadays.
I'll have to ask my mom. I remember having a mini Star Wars book and a tape/record that also read along as well. Memory is a weird thing, so it could all be in my head as well. :loco:
 
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you.

9 (t)Catch-22Joseph Hellerkupcho1, Dr. Octopus, ilov80s, TheBaylorKid, Frostillicus, Oliver Humanzee, Eephus, krista4, shuke

9 (t). Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
lov80s: #1 :towelwave:
TheBaylorKid: #7 :clap:
Dr. Octopus: #11
Eephus: #18
kupcho1: #21
Oliver Humanzee: #22
krista4: #34
Frostillicus: #42
shuke: #59
Total points: 590
Average: 65.6

I know some people balk at a non-linear story, but not me. I love 'em. Throw in satire and have it turn really dark at the end, I'm all in. Featuring one of the most memorable characters in literature (Yossarian) and often jokes that build and either deliver on a set-up from earlier or expound on another as the story progresses, is like catnip to me (and might be why my #1 TV show in that countdown was Arrested Development).
 
You know what doesn't fly by? Peter Jackson's film version. That was like going through slow-motion tooth extraction for 9 hours. Jackson was wholly enamored with new tech by this point and he seemed to forget who the title character is for looooooong stretches. I know Jackson came in late to "save" it and the films made a mint but - outside of a few individual scenes (Bilbo/Gollum, Bilbo/Smaug, a couple of others) - it's a mess.
I thought the rumor was that it was the studio that wanted 3 movies instead 2? Regardless yeah the whole thing's a mess - twice as long as it should be and full of cartoonishly dumb action scenes. I was out after the first movie, although I did love the riddles scene with Gollum.

Has anybody looked into the fan edits? Apparently there are a couple out there that are well regarded and trim a lot of the nonsense out.
 
Unlike the typical problem of reading classics too early to appreciate them, I think I might have read Catch 22 too late. By the time I read it I was too cynical and the military's post-WWII status of being beyond reproach had taken quite the hit by then, making the commentary less subversive. Other than the namesake joke I thought the novel as a whole was just okay. I think it would have had a much larger effect on me if I'd read it in the 90s.
 
Catch 22 was always found to be my number 1. It’s the book that got me back into reading as an adult. Insanely funny and quotable and silly and yet deadly serious. I have so much love for this book. I was never able to get into any of Heller’s other works but Catch 22 is perfect.

Interesting that you didn't like his other works. I actually rated "Something Happened" slightly higher than Catch-22 and find it even funnier. I guess OH and I were the only ones who ranked it, though, and it just missed the Top 300.
 
Catch 22 was always found to be my number 1. It’s the book that got me back into reading as an adult. Insanely funny and quotable and silly and yet deadly serious. I have so much love for this book. I was never able to get into any of Heller’s other works but Catch 22 is perfect.
It's one of the few books that made me laugh while reading it - comedy is tough in written form.
 
Catch 22 was always found to be my number 1. It’s the book that got me back into reading as an adult. Insanely funny and quotable and silly and yet deadly serious. I have so much love for this book. I was never able to get into any of Heller’s other works but Catch 22 is perfect.

Interesting that you didn't like his other works. I actually rated "Something Happened" slightly higher than Catch-22 and find it even funnier. I guess OH and I were the only ones who ranked it, though, and it just missed the Top 300.
I should maybe give another shot. I think it was a rare DNF for me. Maybe I was just expecting too much after Catch 22.
 
Catch 22 was always found to be my number 1. It’s the book that got me back into reading as an adult. Insanely funny and quotable and silly and yet deadly serious. I have so much love for this book. I was never able to get into any of Heller’s other works but Catch 22 is perfect.
It's one of the few books that made me laugh while reading it - comedy is tough in written form.
Yes. Like not just smirk or think that’s clever but genuinely laugh out loud.
 
Catch 22 was always found to be my number 1. It’s the book that got me back into reading as an adult. Insanely funny and quotable and silly and yet deadly serious. I have so much love for this book. I was never able to get into any of Heller’s other works but Catch 22 is perfect.

Interesting that you didn't like his other works. I actually rated "Something Happened" slightly higher than Catch-22 and find it even funnier. I guess OH and I were the only ones who ranked it, though, and it just missed the Top 300.
I should maybe give another shot. I think it was a rare DNF for me. Maybe I was just expecting too much after Catch 22.

I read Something Happened a long time ago and honestly couldn't tell you a single thing about it.

But then again I hardly remember ranking Catch-22 at #18.
 
Catch 22 was always found to be my number 1. It’s the book that got me back into reading as an adult. Insanely funny and quotable and silly and yet deadly serious. I have so much love for this book. I was never able to get into any of Heller’s other works but Catch 22 is perfect.

Interesting that you didn't like his other works. I actually rated "Something Happened" slightly higher than Catch-22 and find it even funnier. I guess OH and I were the only ones who ranked it, though, and it just missed the Top 300.
I should maybe give another shot. I think it was a rare DNF for me. Maybe I was just expecting too much after Catch 22.

I read Something Happened a long time ago and honestly couldn't tell you a single thing about it.

But then again I hardly remember ranking Catch-22 at #18.
I just remember it being total stream of consciousness with him being worried about his job, family, women, etc
 
Catch-22 was a whiff for me. Just an oversight that should have been ranked pretty high. Heller's God Knows should have made my list too. It's King David's memoirs from his death bed. One of the funniest books I ever read.
 
Catch 22 was always found to be my number 1. It’s the book that got me back into reading as an adult. Insanely funny and quotable and silly and yet deadly serious. I have so much love for this book. I was never able to get into any of Heller’s other works but Catch 22 is perfect.

Interesting that you didn't like his other works. I actually rated "Something Happened" slightly higher than Catch-22 and find it even funnier. I guess OH and I were the only ones who ranked it, though, and it just missed the Top 300.
I should maybe give another shot. I think it was a rare DNF for me. Maybe I was just expecting too much after Catch 22.

I read Something Happened a long time ago and honestly couldn't tell you a single thing about it.

But then again I hardly remember ranking Catch-22 at #18.
I just remember it being total stream of consciousness with him being worried about his job, family, women, etc

In retrospect, I read it when I was too young to be worried about any of those things
 
A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.

8Brave New WorldAldous Huxleykupcho1, guru_007, scoobus, chaos34, Frostillicus, KeithR, Dr_Zaius, krista4, rockaction

8. Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
Dr_Zaius: #4 :clap:
KeithR: #7 :clap:
chaos34: #12
rockaction: #14
krista4: #20
kupcho1: #24
scoobus: #29
guru_007: #35
Frostillicus: #64
Total points: 591
Average: 65.7

Uh oh, I ascared the book's topic and rockaction's ranking it might result in a thread lockdown. 🔒 Just kidding, a quick check of the @ function seems to indicate rockaction isn't here right now. On the plus side, the thread might not fall to page two today. There was good reason, of course, given the excitement about up/down voting.

@Dr. Octopus tip of the day: Watch out for missing and/or extraneous articles on album titles. IIRC I got a few A Brave New World submissions.
 
A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.


8Brave New WorldAldous Huxleykupcho1, guru_007, scoobus, chaos34, Frostillicus, KeithR, Dr_Zaius, krista4, rockaction

8. Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
Dr_Zaius: #4 :clap:
KeithR: #7 :clap:
chaos34: #12
rockaction: #14
krista4: #20
kupcho1: #24
scoobus: #29
guru_007: #35
Frostillicus: #64
Total points: 591
Average: 65.7

Uh oh, I ascared the book's topic and rockaction's ranking it might result in a thread lockdown. 🔒 Just kidding, a quick check of the @ function seems to indicate rockaction isn't here right now. On the plus side, the thread might not fall to page two today. There was good reason, of course, given the excitement about up/down voting.

@Dr. Octopus tip of the day: Watch out for missing and/or extraneous articles on album titles. IIRC I got a few A Brave New World submissions.
Yes “the” is a big issue with band names as well.
 
Brave New World by Aldous Huxley

Maybe one of the OG dystopias, this one stands out from the genre at large in that mankind is oppressed by pleasure rather than pain. The idea of bread and circuses for the masses goes back to at least Roman times. What if this was taken to its logical conclusion and everyone in society was living in chemically aided bliss? And what if we could engineer people to be perfectly happy and suited to their state in the social hierarchy, even if it was the lowest rung? Is this science cunningly employed to maximize human happiness or a crime against human nature itself? To this seemingly closed and stable ecosystem is introduced one John Savage, who has been raised in a “primitive” environment much like our own. The wonder and disgust he in turn feels towards his new society drive the later events of the novel.

To me it's fascinating to look at our modern society through the lens of this novel combined with the other dystopia that is presumably still to come in our countdown.
 

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