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The Godfather vs. The Godfather: Part II (2 Viewers)

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  • Godfather

    Votes: 89 43.8%

  • Godfather II

    Votes: 64 31.5%

  • Like them both equally

    Votes: 42 20.7%

  • Never saw The Godfather

    Votes: 3 1.5%

  • Never saw The Godfather: Part II

    Votes: 5 2.5%
  • Total voters
    203
The original is pulling away. It was 33-31 when I bumped this.

Hopefully some folks will watch II today and tighten the race a bit.

 
Interesting bit of trivia:

In The Godfather II, the young girl in the play that Tessio likes is played by Kathleen Beller, who was on the TV show Dynasty after the movie. She married Thomas Dolby in 1988, and has three children with him.

 
Mr. Pickles said:
Tom Hagen said:
I admire the ambition and scope of GF II, but I enjoy the original just a little more. Hyman Roth is a great character and the scenes between Michael and Fredo in GF II are incredible, but for me the party scene in the beginning drags on a bit long and I lose some interest during some of the Vito flashbacks. I don't think I would change a single scene or line of dialogue in the original.The fact that the sequel is so close in quality to the original is an amazing accomplishment.
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You're out, Tom.
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Why do you hurt me, Pickles? I've always been loyal to you.
 
drummer said:
Interesting bit of trivia:

In The Godfather II, the young girl in the play that Tessio Genco Abbandando likes is played by Kathleen Beller, who was on the TV show Dynasty after the movie. She married Thomas Dolby in 1988, and has three children with him.
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will there ever come a point when i don't watch this every time that i see that it is on tv?

i even tivoed tonight when i saw it would be on amc, since i was out until a few minutes ago. :bag:

 
To me it's the original by a nose. Part II is one of the, if not the, best sequels ever and set the bar so high few get over.

 
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I know it's not right... but I always look at them as one. And that one is the greatest film ever made.

ETA: I voted II

 
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Watching One, always still wish Al Lettieri (Sollozzo) was still with us, died too young. Quintessential villian. Was awesome with McQueen in The Getaway.

 
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Interesting timing in that I was watching the '70s flick One on One this past weekend with my kids, and Senator Geary (G.D. Spradlin) played the college basketball coach. Don't think I've seen Spradlin in anything but those two films and Apocalypse Now.

 
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'zamboni said:
Interesting timing in that I was watching the '70s flick One on One this past weekend with my kids, and Senator Geary (G.D. Spradlin) played the college basketball coach. Don't think I've seen Spradlin in anything but those two films and Apocalypse Now.
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The short resume reminds me of John Cazale.
 
I have to go with II. I is a little too much of a celebration of what is - even though we cheer for them - an evil enterprise. At the end, when they blow away the heads of the five families (plus Moe Greene) it's like the triumphant end of a sports underdog movie.

At the end of II, Michael is as powerful as ever, but you see the moral cost. And you see that by grasping so ruthlessly for power for its own sake, he's completely isolated and alone. Whereas Vito came to power by helping those who had no one else to go to (Fanucci's victims, the old lady evicted from the apartment) and so was beloved.

They're both great.

 
They are both great movies. Like most folks, I have them on dvd and still watch them when I find them on cable.

I voted for II.

 
'Joe Summer said:
More Fredo = better movie.Part II gets my vote.
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More Fat Clemenza = better moviePart 1 gets my vote.I do not like the character of Frankie Five Angels and if II had Celmenza in that role like it was intended then it would have been much more powerful.
 
'Raider Nation said:
'Sludge said:
'Joe Summer said:
More Fredo = better movie.

Part II gets my vote.
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More Fat Clemenza = better moviePart 1 gets my vote.

I do not like the character of Frankie Five Angels and if II had Celmenza in that role like it was intended then it would have been much more powerful.
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Wow, I thought Michael Gazzo was phenomenal. He was actually up for Best Supporting Actor for that role.
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I’m not saying he wasn’t good in the role. I’m basically like, who cares about you? So what some guy we’ve never seen before is outside drinking water from a hose while waiting on line? I don’t know anything about you and I really don’t care that you’ve become an informant. Now if that was Clemenza then it’s a whole new ballgame because we have seen him in part I and are seeing his back story in part II. Pete Clemenza turning informant is much more interesting than some guy we just meet an hour ago. Oh and the brother that they bring into the hearings looks more like Clemenza than Frankie.Its a shame both sides couldn't come together and have him in the movie and that is why I prefer the first movie.

 
'Sludge said:
'Raider Nation said:
'Sludge said:
'Joe Summer said:
More Fredo = better movie.

Part II gets my vote.
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More Fat Clemenza = better moviePart 1 gets my vote.

I do not like the character of Frankie Five Angels and if II had Celmenza in that role like it was intended then it would have been much more powerful.
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Wow, I thought Michael Gazzo was phenomenal. He was actually up for Best Supporting Actor for that role.
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I’m not saying he wasn’t good in the role. I’m basically like, who cares about you? So what some guy we’ve never seen before is outside drinking water from a hose while waiting on line? I don’t know anything about you and I really don’t care that you’ve become an informant. Now if that was Clemenza then it’s a whole new ballgame because we have seen him in part I and are seeing his back story in part II. Pete Clemenza turning informant is much more interesting than some guy we just meet an hour ago. Oh and the brother that they bring into the hearings looks more like Clemenza than Frankie.Its a shame both sides couldn't come together and have him in the movie and that is why I prefer the first movie.
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:goodposting:
 
'Frostillicus said:
Read the book, get both.
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Voted the original, but part of that I think is because I read the book in between watching I & II. I left II wishing they showed more of the young Vito story, and now I sometimes think that it was part of the first movie.
 
The edits for language are absurd.

AMC can show someone slitting a man's throat, and that same someone having half his face blown off, but Fredo wasn't banging cocktail waitresses he was hanging with them.

 
'Encyclopedia Brown said:
The edits for language are absurd.

AMC can show someone slitting a man's throat, and that same someone having half his face blown off, but Fredo wasn't banging cocktail waitresses he was hanging with them.
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Nothing is better than The Breakfast Club for hilarious language editing.
 
The Young Vito storyling is exceptionally well done. However, GF1 is still the better movie. Sonny (Caan)and old Vito (Brando) makes it that much better. These 2 characters don't carry the whole movie but they add so much more than Michael on his own. For most of the first part of the film, Michael is irrelevant. It isn't till he meets his father at the hospital that he becomes a factor.

Godfather II is still great but the way they handled Fredo is my one gripe. They attach 2 scenes back to back that portray Fredo as so ### ####ed stupid its painful. In one scene he's setting up all the senators and judges for a new years party. Meets Johnny Ola and says yea we've never met. Then it cuts to the scene with the cuban chick tied to a pole and he blurts out how he and Johnny Ola came to places like that all the time. It wasn't like he was acting drunk or anything either. He just blurts it out knowing his brother is right there. That scene always annoyed me.

 
'Sludge said:
'Raider Nation said:
'Sludge said:
'Joe Summer said:
More Fredo = better movie.

Part II gets my vote.
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More Fat Clemenza = better moviePart 1 gets my vote.

I do not like the character of Frankie Five Angels and if II had Celmenza in that role like it was intended then it would have been much more powerful.
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Wow, I thought Michael Gazzo was phenomenal. He was actually up for Best Supporting Actor for that role.
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I’m not saying he wasn’t good in the role. I’m basically like, who cares about you? So what some guy we’ve never seen before is outside drinking water from a hose while waiting on line? I don’t know anything about you and I really don’t care that you’ve become an informant. Now if that was Clemenza then it’s a whole new ballgame because we have seen him in part I and are seeing his back story in part II. Pete Clemenza turning informant is much more interesting than some guy we just meet an hour ago. Oh and the brother that they bring into the hearings looks more like Clemenza than Frankie.Its a shame both sides couldn't come together and have him in the movie and that is why I prefer the first movie.
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That was the other thing that bothered me about the second. Pentangeli was a great character but we didn't know him at all until about mid way through the movie. Clemenza would have made it that much more powerful that he would attempt to betray Michael and the family given his ties to Vito.
 
'zamboni said:
Interesting timing in that I was watching the '70s flick One on One this past weekend with my kids, and Senator Geary (G.D. Spradlin) played the college basketball coach. Don't think I've seen Spradlin in anything but those two films and Apocalypse Now.
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You need to check out North Dallas Forty
 
'Insein said:
Godfather II is still great but the way they handled Fredo is my one gripe. They attach 2 scenes back to back that portray Fredo as so ### ####ed stupid its painful. In one scene he's setting up all the senators and judges for a new years party. Meets Johnny Ola and says yea we've never met. Then it cuts to the scene with the cuban chick tied to a pole and he blurts out how he and Johnny Ola came to places like that all the time. It wasn't like he was acting drunk or anything either. He just blurts it out knowing his brother is right there. That scene always annoyed me.
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I'm kinda with you on this. Michael discovering that Fredo betrayed him was vital to the storyline, of course, but it could have been executed better. It's one thing if he was falling-down-Snooki-drunk, but that wasn't the case at all."The Godfather Saga" is on AMC all day. :banned:

 
'Insein said:
'Sludge said:
'Raider Nation said:
'Sludge said:
'Joe Summer said:
More Fredo = better movie.

Part II gets my vote.
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More Fat Clemenza = better moviePart 1 gets my vote.

I do not like the character of Frankie Five Angels and if II had Celmenza in that role like it was intended then it would have been much more powerful.
Click to expand...
Wow, I thought Michael Gazzo was phenomenal. He was actually up for Best Supporting Actor for that role.
Click to expand...
I’m not saying he wasn’t good in the role. I’m basically like, who cares about you? So what some guy we’ve never seen before is outside drinking water from a hose while waiting on line? I don’t know anything about you and I really don’t care that you’ve become an informant. Now if that was Clemenza then it’s a whole new ballgame because we have seen him in part I and are seeing his back story in part II. Pete Clemenza turning informant is much more interesting than some guy we just meet an hour ago. Oh and the brother that they bring into the hearings looks more like Clemenza than Frankie.Its a shame both sides couldn't come together and have him in the movie and that is why I prefer the first movie.
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That was the other thing that bothered me about the second. Pentangeli was a great character but we didn't know him at all until about mid way through the movie. Clemenza would have made it that much more powerful that he would attempt to betray Michael and the family given his ties to Vito.
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Exactly. No knock against the guy. It was almost like he came out of nowhere. I mean...Willie Cicci is in both movies...but this guy just shows up in II as the head of the family?...COME ON!
 
'Raider Nation said:
'Insein said:
Godfather II is still great but the way they handled Fredo is my one gripe. They attach 2 scenes back to back that portray Fredo as so ### ####ed stupid its painful. In one scene he's setting up all the senators and judges for a new years party. Meets Johnny Ola and says yea we've never met. Then it cuts to the scene with the cuban chick tied to a pole and he blurts out how he and Johnny Ola came to places like that all the time. It wasn't like he was acting drunk or anything either. He just blurts it out knowing his brother is right there. That scene always annoyed me.
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I'm kinda with you on this. Michael discovering that Fredo betrayed him was vital to the storyline, of course, but it could have been executed better. It's one thing if he was falling-down-Snooki-drunk, but that wasn't the case at all."The Godfather Saga" is on AMC all day. :banned:
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The saga has been great. I've literally been watching all day since noon. They're only at the end of where 2 would be. Having all the young Vito scenes linked together in the beginning was great. A lot of extra scenes added in too that are only available on the extended version DVDs. Adds so much more explanation behind why certain characters did what they did. For example, Michael calling before the assassination to say he's still in New Hampshire and won't be back because he's still distant from his family. Then once he finds out, it starts his descent towards joining the other side of his family. Gives you so much more insight into what Michael's motivations are.
 
'Insein said:
Godfather II is still great but the way they handled Fredo is my one gripe. They attach 2 scenes back to back that portray Fredo as so ### ####ed stupid its painful. In one scene he's setting up all the senators and judges for a new years party. Meets Johnny Ola and says yea we've never met. Then it cuts to the scene with the cuban chick tied to a pole and he blurts out how he and Johnny Ola came to places like that all the time. It wasn't like he was acting drunk or anything either. He just blurts it out knowing his brother is right there. That scene always annoyed me.
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This never bothered me. Fredo is just that stupid.
 
I picked both equally. I LOVED young Vito, but I has more Brando and more Caan. I just can't help but thinking of them as 1 great movie.

I've actually never watched part III. I heard it was so bad and didn't want to taint I and II in any way. I should probably break down and watch it one day, i even own the trilogy. Just haven't ever been able to bring myself to watch it.

 
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