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The Godfather vs. The Godfather: Part II (1 Viewer)

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  • Godfather

    Votes: 89 43.8%

  • Godfather II

    Votes: 64 31.5%

  • Like them both equally

    Votes: 42 20.7%

  • Never saw The Godfather

    Votes: 3 1.5%

  • Never saw The Godfather: Part II

    Votes: 5 2.5%
  • Total voters
    203
For the longest time, I thought Frankie clammed up because he feared for his brother's life. But it's clear he immediately saw how shocked and ashamed his brother was that Frankie was indeed about to be a rat, as I'm sure Michael told him. Nothing more than that.

 
Raider Nation said:
For the longest time, I thought Frankie clammed up because he feared for his brother's life. But it's clear he immediately saw how shocked and ashamed his brother was that Frankie was indeed about to be a rat, as I'm sure Michael told him. Nothing more than that.
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Funny, I always thought the latter until tonight which is the first time I ever gave consideration to the former.

 
Raider Nation said:
For the longest time, I thought Frankie clammed up because he feared for his brother's life. But it's clear he immediately saw how shocked and ashamed his brother was that Frankie was indeed about to be a rat, as I'm sure Michael told him. Nothing more than that.
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I always assumed it was shame that turned him. Why would his brother go along with all that otherwise? They look of disgust on his brother's face said it all.

 
Insein said:
Raider Nation said:
For the longest time, I thought Frankie clammed up because he feared for his brother's life. But it's clear he immediately saw how shocked and ashamed his brother was that Frankie was indeed about to be a rat, as I'm sure Michael told him. Nothing more than that.
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I always assumed it was shame that turned him. Why would his brother go along with all that otherwise? They look of disgust on his brother's face said it all.
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Yep, and this last conversation with Tom at the Army barracks shows how much he revered his big bro.

 
Finally got off the fence and voted. Went with I by a razor-thin margin. The christening scene is one of my favorites of all time, and that was the tiebreaker. Although the parallel Michael/Vito stories in II are beautifully done.

BTW Is it heresy to bring up Modern Family's homage to the christening scene here?

 
This may have already been discussed here.

Do you think Fredo knew his execution was coming? I tend to think that he did. When Michael had his son pulled off the boat just before they went fishing, Fredo's shoulders slumped and he immediately seemed sad. Now, it could have been disappointment, but I tend to think that at that moment, when he realized he was going out on the boat alone, that it was all over.

 
Raider Nation said:
For the longest time, I thought Frankie clammed up because he feared for his brother's life. But it's clear he immediately saw how shocked and ashamed his brother was that Frankie was indeed about to be a rat, as I'm sure Michael told him. Nothing more than that.
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He is, I believe, the brother.

 
ClownCausedChaos2 said:
This may have already been discussed here.

Do you think Fredo knew his execution was coming? I tend to think that he did. When Michael had his son pulled off the boat just before they went fishing, Fredo's shoulders slumped and he immediately seemed sad. Now, it could have been disappointment, but I tend to think that at that moment, when he realized he was going out on the boat alone, that it was all over.
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He had to know. How often did just he and Al go fishing? Without the kid going, why go at all? He knew.

 
I voted for the first.

I've agrued for the second because when I first watched both I liked the second one more. However, when given the option to watch either now I pick the first.

Brando with that orange in his mouth in the garden and everything seems to be brighter and happy. That scene is the cherry on top that gives the nod to the first one for me. The understated gravity of the situation. I don't it's just perfect to me.

That's honestly how close the two are. One scene gets it over the other.

 
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Borden said:
sports_fan said:
joffer said:
sports_fan said:
flapgreen said:
Have still never seen either one.
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:goodposting:
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you should
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I'll give it a try today
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Whatever you are doing today cancel it. Go watch these. Family time? Canceled. Work? Canceled? Open heart surgery? Canceled. Secret mission to save the universe? Canceled. If I was in control of this message board I would ban your account until I had a thorough report of both.
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I'm 4 minutes in. So far it's good but I don't understand the hype.

 
sports_fan said:
Borden said:
sports_fan said:
joffer said:
sports_fan said:
flapgreen said:
Have still never seen either one.
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:goodposting:
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you should
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I'll give it a try today
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Whatever you are doing today cancel it. Go watch these. Family time? Canceled. Work? Canceled? Open heart surgery? Canceled. Secret mission to save the universe? Canceled. If I was in control of this message board I would ban your account until I had a thorough report of both.
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I'm 4 minutes in. So far it's good but I don't understand the hype.
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:lol:

 
Raider Nation said:
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Frank's brother's life was definitely threatened. He looked scared. Not disgusted.
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Oh, he was disgusted. And ashamed. And dismayed. And heartbroken. All with one expression.

He saw his little brother up there about to put the family name right into the toilet. I don't think that old-school Sicilian Mafioso would be afraid of anything.
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For some reason I was under the impression his brother was not connected with the mafia at all and was just scared and confused. Not sure why I thought that.

 
Vincenzo Pentangeli was a native of Partinico, Sicily, and remained there when his brother went to America. He was believed to have been involved in the Sicilian Mafia. Frank urged his brother on several occasions to come to America, however, Vincenzo opted to stay in what Frank described as a "two-mule town". He lived for some time also in Catania where he was apparently a fine cook, and Frank praised his 'capozzelli' (lamb's head), saying it was second only to Angelo's.
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Also, am I the only person who thinks it's weird that Al Neri was just "hanging out" with the guys in the boathouse while they all talked about Hyman Roth? He had been so stoic and quiet for almost 2 full movies, but in this one scene he's lying on the couch with his clothes untucked and talking with a laid back tone of voice. It just seemed like the scene was written for another character or something.

 
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Also, am I the only person who thinks it's weird that Al Neri was just "hanging out" with the guys in the boathouse while they all talked about Hyman Roth? He had been so stoic and quiet for almost 2 full movies, but in this one scene he's lying on the couch with his clothes untucked and talking with a laid back tone of voice. It just seemed like the scene was written for another character or something.
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Roth needed to get got. Al was the muscle.

 
Anyone have thoughts as to why Coppola never went on to have a career like Scorsese or Woody Allen, or even someone like Sidney Lumet?

I know "Apocalypse Now" had an enormous psychological impact on him, and "The Cotton Club" and "Tucker" were expensive bombs, but those things happen to every director. "Peggy Sue Got Married" is one of his last big hits.

 
Encyclopedia Brown said:
Anyone have thoughts as to why Coppola never went on to have a career like Scorsese or Woody Allen, or even someone like Sidney Lumet?

I know "Apocalypse Now" had an enormous psychological impact on him, and "The Cotton Club" and "Tucker" were expensive bombs, but those things happen to every director. "Peggy Sue Got Married" is one of his last big hits.
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He just was not very active. He has a pretty decent success rate. GF1, 2, The Conversation and Apocalypse Now plus wrote Patton. That's a HoF resume. The Rainmaker was good. He just didn't make many movies.
 
I've always found it curious as to why Vito felt he needed to dispose of the gun, in pieces and different places after whacking Don Fanucci ...

Any insight on this RN?

 
Ray Barboni said:
I've always found it curious as to why Vito felt he needed to dispose of the gun, in pieces and different places after whacking Don Fanucci ...

Any insight on this RN?
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Beats me. Almost every other hit you see in the movies, they drop the gun right where they stand. Like Mike in the restaurant.

 
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