The Harrison beat-down... drew a flag, but.... (1 Viewer)

[Rovers]

That was a pretty disgraceful display by Harrison. He was PUMMELING a player that was down! I used to like the Steelers, but I find it hard to root for them when they always play so chippy. Play tough, hit hard, but out of bounds hits and punching a player who is down I find to be about as low as it can get, with the Haynseworth head stomping being a clear execption as an example of the fact it can get even lower than punching a guy out that is on the ground.

If it wasn't the Super Bowl, would Harrison have been ejected? I think it was worthy of ejection Super Bowl or not. I just can't stand dirty players and cheap shot artists, but I also don't like blind side shots even if they are "legal hits", so maybe I am in the minority on this. Send a guy into the upper deck when he sees you coming, I'm all for it, it's football. Blind side hits, hitting defenseless players, not so much.

 

[twr]

That was a pretty disgraceful display by Harrison. He was PUMMELING a player that was down! I used to like the Steelers, but I find it hard to root for them when they always play so chippy. Play tough, hit hard, but out of bounds hits and punching a player who is down I find to be about as low as it can get, with the Haynseworth head stomping being a clear execption as an example of the fact it can get even lower than punching a guy out that is on the ground. If it wasn't the Super Bowl, would Harrison have been ejected? I think it was worthy of ejection Super Bowl or not. I just can't stand dirty players and cheap shot artists, but I also don't like blind side shots even if they are "legal hits", so maybe I am in the minority on this. Send a guy into the upper deck when he sees you coming, I'm all for it, it's football. Blind side hits, hitting defenseless players, not so much.

yea he should have been ejected... he also ruined his chances for super bowl MVP.... a 100 yard int for a TD... if there was ever a defensive person to deserve it... that was it.

 

[treat88]

Right. That shot to the back of the shoulder pads was pretty brutal. I wonder if Francisco even knew it happened.

It was unnecessary roughness and stupid and cheap.

It was not worth an ejection.

 

[Two Deep]

That was a pretty disgraceful display by Harrison. He was PUMMELING a player that was down! I used to like the Steelers, but I find it hard to root for them when they always play so chippy. Play tough, hit hard, but out of bounds hits and punching a player who is down I find to be about as low as it can get, with the Haynseworth head stomping being a clear execption as an example of the fact it can get even lower than punching a guy out that is on the ground.

If it wasn't the Super Bowl, would Harrison have been ejected? I think it was worthy of ejection Super Bowl or not. I just can't stand dirty players and cheap shot artists, but I also don't like blind side shots even if they are "legal hits", so maybe I am in the minority on this. Send a guy into the upper deck when he sees you coming, I'm all for it, it's football. Blind side hits, hitting defenseless players, not so much.

Thats a little strong, I saw him hold him down then give the Steven Seagal aikido shove to topple him over. By the way isn't a Seagal a cheerleader for the Seahawks.

 

[omally]

Yes, he should have been ejected from the game. The Cardinal player was down on his hands and knees, and Harrison punched him with his fist. That has nothing to do with playing football, it is deliberately assaulting a player.

 

[3C's]

Yes, he should have been ejected from the game. The Cardinal player was down on his hands and knees, and Harrison punched him with his fist. That has nothing to do with playing football, it is deliberately assaulting a player.

Maybe you should watch the play again and get back to us.

 

[Inspiration]

Here is the play in question:

http://goldenavenue.info/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=17

 

[Two Deep]

Clearly not a punch it was a shove. If he could punch somebody and make him fly that far he should become a boxer.

 

[omally]

Yes, he should have been ejected from the game. The Cardinal player was down on his hands and knees, and Harrison punched him with his fist. That has nothing to do with playing football, it is deliberately assaulting a player.

Maybe you should watch the play again and get back to us.

He should have been ejected.

 

[Two Deep]

just watched it again and I think the guy intentionally headbutted Harrison in the "bag".

 

[CrossEyed]

Harrison was obviously irritated with something Francisco had done. Can we get a replay that shows what led to that? Maybe ask Harrison what happened?

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I think Francisco is a complete wimp who was cowering down on the ground.....Harrison sensed fear, and intimidated.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Harrison was just roided up - I don't see the problem, nor should it have been a penalty. He blocked the guy, allowed him to get up, and then knocked his #### in the dirt. Thats football.

 

[3C's]

Yes, he should have been ejected from the game. The Cardinal player was down on his hands and knees, and Harrison punched him with his fist. That has nothing to do with playing football, it is deliberately assaulting a player.

Maybe you should watch the play again and get back to us.

He should have been ejected.

show me where he, as you said, punched him with his fist.

 

[PurplePride]

I think Francisco is a complete wimp who was cowering down on the ground.....Harrison sensed fear, and intimidated.

This is exactly what I thought when I first saw it too. He looked scared...

 

[Uber]

Harrison was obviously irritated with something Francisco had done. Can we get a replay that shows what led to that? Maybe ask Harrison what happened?

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Pretty typical special teams play. I'm not seeing anything special here.

 

[Rovers]

That replay misses the first "punch". I think this is exactly why the rules commitee created the "unsportmanlike conduct" penalty for in the first place, no?

Harrison is a freakin awesome football player. There isn't any need for this sort of display. He could have gotten a taunting penalty as well, and actually should have. That play should have been flagged for 30 yards, not 15. This isn't professional wrestling, it's the NFL, the Super Bowl.

 

[CrossEyed]

Harrison was obviously irritated with something Francisco had done. Can we get a replay that shows what led to that? Maybe ask Harrison what happened?

Maybe next year, just for you, they could play a second game of flag football.

 

[tribecalledjeff]

I don't know how to fix this, but the amount a team is penalized when backed up on their own goal line feels unfair to me. In this example, Harrison's roid rage and inappropriate behavior cost his team about a whopping 6 inches. Had Arizona done it, it would have cost them 15 yards.

Same with an offsides on the 1. Offense does it, they are on the .5 yard line - not a huge penalty as you move less than 2 feet. Defense does it and it's a 5 yarder which is HUGE considering field position.

I don't have an answer or possible solution to this, but I don't like it when the same infraction can result in 30x the yardage for one team than the other. (15 yard personal foul vs. 1/2 yard personal foul)

 

[Uber]

Harrison was obviously irritated with something Francisco had done. Can we get a replay that shows what led to that? Maybe ask Harrison what happened?

Maybe next year, just for you, they could play a second game of flag football.

Oh I see. That was just some good 'ol hard-nosed football.

 

[tribecalledjeff]

That replay misses the first "punch". I think this is exactly why the rules commitee created the "unsportmanlike conduct" penalty for in the first place, no?

Harrison is a freakin awesome football player. There isn't any need for this sort of display. He could have gotten a taunting penalty as well, and actually should have. That play should have been flagged for 30 yards, not 15. This isn't professional wrestling, it's the NFL, the Super Bowl.

Like I just posted, the worst part about it was that Pitt was only penalized about 6 inches.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Yes, he's a thug.

 

[Two Deep]

Harrison was obviously irritated with something Francisco had done. Can we get a replay that shows what led to that? Maybe ask Harrison what happened?

I agree with Crosseyed. Look at the replay. Francisco's helmet clearly makes contact with Harrisons jewels (albeit accidently then makes contact a second time, you see Harrison flinch and then shove Francisco over.

 

[PurplePride]

I don't know how to fix this, but the amount a team is penalized when backed up on their own goal line feels unfair to me. In this example, Harrison's roid rage and inappropriate behavior cost his team about a whopping 6 inches. Had Arizona done it, it would have cost them 15 yards. Same with an offsides on the 1. Offense does it, they are on the .5 yard line - not a huge penalty as you move less than 2 feet. Defense does it and it's a 5 yarder which is HUGE considering field position.I don't have an answer or possible solution to this, but I don't like it when the same infraction can result in 30x the yardage for one team than the other. (15 yard personal foul vs. 1/2 yard personal foul)

it ultimately cost them a safety...

 

[CrossEyed]

Harrison was obviously irritated with something Francisco had done. Can we get a replay that shows what led to that? Maybe ask Harrison what happened?

Maybe next year, just for you, they could play a second game of flag football.

Oh I see. That was just some good 'ol hard-nosed football.

He got penalized. Calling for an ejection for that play is ridiculous.

 

[twr]

Yes, he's a thug.

ding ding ding.

 

[pantherclub]

The steeler fans will so no he shouldnt have been, but the rest of the entire football world will say of course he should have been. Funny how that works.

 

[Barry Jive and The Uptown Five]

just watched it again and I think the guy intentionally headbutted Harrison in the "bag".

Thank you for setting the stage....During the broadcast replays, I thought to myself... Here's a guy who has nearly had his helmet taken off by the facemask earlier in the game by Cards' OT Gandy, and yet Francisco draws this level of ire? I was thinking it was a chop block going for his knees or something, but what you described fits the bill.Harrison retaliated, got caught, & was flagged.I hope he enjoys the parade!

 

[Black]

Harrison is a thug. He's one club shooting short of being as classy as Ray Lewis.

 

[Two Deep]

I am not a Steeler fan so I can't say for sure but I am not aware of Harrison being considered a dirty player so why are people so quick to accuse him of being a thug? In my mind he clearly retaliated to what he perceived as a vilation on his person such as the nut shot he took twice from Franciscos helmet.

 

[CrossEyed]

The steeler fans will so no he shouldnt have been, but the rest of the entire football world will say of course he should have been. Funny how that works.

Outside of this board, I haven't even seen it suggested.

 

[3C's]

I am not a Steeler fan so I can't say for sure but I am not aware of Harrison being considered a dirty player so why are people so quick to accuse him of being a thug? In my mind he clearly retaliated to what he perceived as a vilation on his person such as the nut shot he took twice from Franciscos helmet.

He did have an altercation with his girlfriend about a year ago. Maybe that has something to do with it. Betting half the people calling him a thug don't know that though.

 

[simey]

I am not a Steeler fan so I can't say for sure but I am not aware of Harrison being considered a dirty player so why are people so quick to accuse him of being a thug? In my mind he clearly retaliated to what he perceived as a vilation on his person such as the nut shot he took twice from Franciscos helmet.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I see nowhere on that clip where Francisco is violating Harrison's groin area.

 

[sho nuff]

Harrison was obviously irritated with something Francisco had done. Can we get a replay that shows what led to that? Maybe ask Harrison what happened?

I agree with Crosseyed. Look at the replay. Francisco's helmet clearly makes contact with Harrisons jewels (albeit accidently then makes contact a second time, you see Harrison flinch and then shove Francisco over.

That excuses his action?Francisco looked like he was trying to get up.Harrison does look like he punches down onto his shoulder pads prior to the "helmet contact to the nads" before kind of holding him down.I don't think ejection...its one of those flag it...and fine the guy. Thats good enough.Nowhere near a Haynesworth face stomp.

 

[sho nuff]

Harrison was obviously irritated with something Francisco had done. Can we get a replay that shows what led to that? Maybe ask Harrison what happened?

Maybe next year, just for you, they could play a second game of flag football.

Oh I see. That was just some good 'ol hard-nosed football.

He got penalized. Calling for an ejection for that play is ridiculous.

As is trying to excuse his behavior because you think he was obviously just irritated with something Francisco had done.

 

[CrossEyed]

Harrison was obviously irritated with something Francisco had done. Can we get a replay that shows what led to that? Maybe ask Harrison what happened?

Maybe next year, just for you, they could play a second game of flag football.

Oh I see. That was just some good 'ol hard-nosed football.

He got penalized. Calling for an ejection for that play is ridiculous.

As is trying to excuse his behavior because you think he was obviously just irritated with something Francisco had done.

If you read the whole thread you would know that I haven't excused it. I said it was excessive and unnecessary and deserved the flag. It just didn't rise to the level of an ejection like some haters are suggesting.

 

[sho nuff]

Harrison was obviously irritated with something Francisco had done. Can we get a replay that shows what led to that? Maybe ask Harrison what happened?

Maybe next year, just for you, they could play a second game of flag football.

Oh I see. That was just some good 'ol hard-nosed football.

He got penalized. Calling for an ejection for that play is ridiculous.

As is trying to excuse his behavior because you think he was obviously just irritated with something Francisco had done.

If you read the whole thread you would know that I haven't excused it. I said it was excessive and unnecessary and deserved the flag. It just didn't rise to the level of an ejection like some haters are suggesting.

Im going by the quote above...if that is not excusing it...regardless of what else you have said...I don't know what is.EDIT:...Oh, and I have read this whole thread...you never said anything about it being excessive or unnecessary or deserving of a flag.

You simply said he was flagged for it.

 

[The Outlaw of Torn]

The steeler fans will so no he shouldnt have been, but the rest of the entire football world will say of course he should have been. Funny how that works.

Outside of this board, I haven't even seen it suggested.

...and the thread from the board that is linked above.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Harrison was obviously irritated with something Francisco had done. Can we get a replay that shows what led to that? Maybe ask Harrison what happened?

Maybe next year, just for you, they could play a second game of flag football.

Oh I see. That was just some good 'ol hard-nosed football.

He got penalized. Calling for an ejection for that play is ridiculous.

As is trying to excuse his behavior because you think he was obviously just irritated with something Francisco had done.

If you read the whole thread you would know that I haven't excused it. I said it was excessive and unnecessary and deserved the flag. It just didn't rise to the level of an ejection like some haters are suggesting.

Everybody's a hater to this board's biggest martyr.

 

[tombonneau]

I'm no Steeler fan, but no way should he have been ejected for that. Maybe if he'd done some other borderline stuff leading up to it, but that was his first unsportsmanlike call. You see that kind of stuff in the NFL all the time and players aren't ejected, so you aren't going to do it to Defensive MVP in the Super Bowl.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

There are hundreds or worse 'beatdowns' in the lines for beer, cheese steaks, and urinals at Eagles games every Sunday. Pretty typical special teams stuff. I don't believe it was the action that drew the flag, I believe it was that the action continued after the whistle.

 

[treat88]

Pretty typical special teams stuff. I don't believe it was the action that drew the flag, I believe it was that the action continued after the whistle.

Agreed.If people want to call putting Francisco back on the ground when he's attempting to get up during a live play a punch that's on them for not understanding the game.I honestly thought the issue folks had was that little shot to the back of the shoulder pads, but if it's the above part of the action that's even dumber.Harrison continued after the whistle and drew the appropriate flag. I don't get the big deal.

 

[HellToupee]

I'd like to know what was that punk Francisco saying to Harrison

 

[doowain]

I love it when Steeler fans dismiss everyone as haters.

We aren't jealous of the fact that you won a Super Bowl. We are just disgusted that a team full of dirty players can be put on a pedestal like this. Even ESPN is calling them "America's Team" and applauding them for winning the "right way".

I don't remember anyone "hating" on the Colts when they won a few years ago or when the 49ers were running over people in the 80s. Maybe because teams like the Colts or the 80s 49ers won with class, therefore we don't have a reason to "hate" on them.

And, the fact that broadcasters always reference players like Hines Ward and his style of play (blind side blocks that lead to injury, being in the middle of every altercation, etc.) as being what endears him to Steeler fans and epitomizes the personality of the city.....that says a lot about Pittsburgh.

 

[CrossEyed]

If you read the whole thread you would know that I haven't excused it. I said it was excessive and unnecessary and deserved the flag. It just didn't rise to the level of an ejection like some haters are suggesting.

Im going by the quote above...if that is not excusing it...regardless of what else you have said...I don't know what is.EDIT:...Oh, and I have read this whole thread...you never said anything about it being excessive or unnecessary or deserving of a flag.

You simply said he was flagged for it.

Sorry, it was in one of the many other "whining about the refs" threads.

I've personally met the guy several times and he is class act.

So, lay off Harrison, scumbag.

Was definitely classing up when he was punching the Cardinal on the ground during that punt play. He's a punk.

Again, can a Steeler fan give me a legit reason he wasnt thrown out? I mean the ref obviously saw it.

I don't think it was a "punch" as in a closed-fisted punch. I think he was punching at him with an open hand like olinemen punch at dlinemen. Excessive and unnecessary, but hardly worth an ejection.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I love it when Steeler fans dismiss everyone as haters.We aren't jealous of the fact that you won a Super Bowl. We are just disgusted that a team full of dirty players can be put on a pedestal like this. Even ESPN is calling them "America's Team" and applauding them for winning the "right way".I don't remember anyone "hating" on the Colts when they won a few years ago or when the 49ers were running over people in the 80s. Maybe because teams like the Colts or the 80s 49ers won with class, therefore we don't have a reason to "hate" on them.And, the fact that broadcasters always reference players like Hines Ward and his style of play (blind side blocks that lead to injury, being in the middle of every altercation, etc.) as being what endears him to Steeler fans and epitomizes the personality of the city.....that says a lot about Pittsburgh.

DeBartolo and the Yorks drew some justifiable criticism.

 

[GoFishTN]

The steeler fans will so no he shouldnt have been, but the rest of the entire football world will say of course he should have been. Funny how that works.

Outside of this board, I haven't even seen it suggested.

Didn't Madden mention it, you know, when it happened?

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

The steeler fans will so no he shouldnt have been, but the rest of the entire football world will say of course he should have been. Funny how that works.

Outside of this board, I haven't even seen it suggested.

Didn't Madden mention it, you know, when it happened?

Yes, and Michaels agreed.

 

[Steel Dillo]

Anyone got video of this "beat down"?

I was coming out of the bathroom and just caught the tail end of it and all I saw was the push to the chest that knocked the guy over.