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The Harrison beat-down... drew a flag, but.... (1 Viewer)
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treat88
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If you are listening to Madden or Michaels to derive your opinions of players, tactics, or rules you are starting with at least one foot in a very deep hole.
Stv50
Footballguy
Looks like 2 "pushes" to me.
http://www.nowpublic.com/sports/james-harr...y-and-criticism
Or this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIF_ucHzbIk
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GoFishTN
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Steel Dillo
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Thanks. I'll have to check them out when I get home.
belljr
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After watching it again -- I think he was pissed that the guy tried to take him out at the knees
Sheriff66
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It should have been a penalty like was called but no ejection, but Brian Robinson for the Cards should have been flagged in the 1st quarter and tossed for punching Hines Ward right in the face.
It wasn't even a punch to begin with, Harrison gave him a palm type strike to the ground, then a shove on his shoulder to knock him back, no punches were thrown, unlike the above example I gave.
It wasn't even a punch to begin with, Harrison gave him a palm type strike to the ground, then a shove on his shoulder to knock him back, no punches were thrown, unlike the above example I gave.
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Sheriff66
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It shouldn't have even been a penalty. The play was still going on. It is called blocking.
GreenNGold
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I've always thought in cases like this instead of going half the distance to the goal, they should extend the first down marker by 15 yards. So instead of it being 1st & 10 from the half yard line, it would 1st & 25 from the 1.
sho nuff
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And another to the post above about trying to take out his knees.Blocking low does not equal taking out knees.
Sheriff66
Footballguy
What about the Card player punching Ward in the face in the 1st quarter, should he have been ejected?
Sheriff66
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Peter King saw itHow can a Cardinal (it was hard to tell whom) throw a haymaker on the first play of the second quarter and not only not get thrown out but not get penalized? That's a punch the umpire, Roy Ellison, absolutely cannot miss.What about the Card player punching Ward in the face in the 1st quarter, should he have been ejected?And another to the post above about trying to take out his knees.
Blocking low does not equal taking out knees.
Kevin Ashcraft
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That is football guys.
The play was still going on -- he was doing his job and playing to the whistle. It is the same thing if you are standing around the pile and the whistle has not blown -- as an opponent, you are fair game until the play is over, so watch you back.
The play was still going on -- he was doing his job and playing to the whistle. It is the same thing if you are standing around the pile and the whistle has not blown -- as an opponent, you are fair game until the play is over, so watch you back.
JamesTheScot
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Fransisco's helmet brushed the crotch of Harrison's pants but that doesn't mean he hit paydirt underneath. Not everyone wears their pants up tight in the crotch to show off the mooseknuckle. And if Harrison was wearing a cup, even if Fransisco hit paydirt, it shouldn't have triggered that response. I saw no flinch or protective reflex like guys do when they take a shot to the package. What triggered the shove was the guy getting back to his feet. Harrison waited until the guy was on two feet but not yet balanced.I think what got Harrison in trouble were the one or two blows with his hands to Fransisco's back when he was on his hands and knees and defenssless. Then when he tries to get up, Harrison strikes him very close to his neck when he isn't appearing to be trying to make a play. And then at one point Harrison is standing over him and looks like he's taunting him.I don't think it deserved an ejection but I've seen DL's get that call when they body slam
Wadsworth
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Watch it again. The second time he tries to stand up the play is clearly over and Harrison is still on him. As far as throwing him out, maybe in a regular season game, but no way you throw someone out of the Super Bowl for something like that.
I can't really comment on if the move was "unclassy" as I have no idea what set Harrison off.
JamesTheScot
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Was that after or before Whisenhunt complained to the officials about Ward?May have been a makeup non-call...Ward getting what he deserved, so to speak.Peter King saw itHow can a Cardinal (it was hard to tell whom) throw a haymaker on the first play of the second quarter and not only not get thrown out but not get penalized? That's a punch the umpire, Roy Ellison, absolutely cannot miss.What about the Card player punching Ward in the face in the 1st quarter, should he have been ejected?And another to the post above about trying to take out his knees.
Blocking low does not equal taking out knees.
BTW, I didn't see that punch so how do we know Ellison saw it?
Even if Ellison missed it, the league won't and can assess a fine and/or suspension after the fact. But I agree that if seen, it should have been called.
Steel Dillo
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I don't know of any football player that wears a cup... jock strap = footballcup = baseballno?
belljr
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I didn't say it was warranted just after watching it again that's what it looks like
Watch it a third time, wise guy.http://goldenavenue.info/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=17
The flag is thrown BEFORE he tries to stand up the second time. He is on top of him, and then he lets him get (about 1/2 way) up, and then shoves (not punches him) in the chest back to the ground. While this is happening, (actually RIGHT BEFORE the shove takes place), you can see Moore in the background, waving for a fair catch. You then see Moore running out of the picture, to try to let the ball bounce into the end zone. If you recall the play, the ball was then downed by the Cardinals on the 2 yard line. You can also see the flag flying in from off camera and landing right behind Harrison's legs. You can clearly see it there BEFORE Harrison makes the second shove. Everything he did before that was during the play, and should have been legal: No closed fist shots, no grabbing the jersey and slinging him down, no grabbing the facemask, etc. For them to throw the flag before the play was dead doesn't make sense.
The only thing I can see the refs calling unsportsmanlike conduct for was the fact that after the FIRST shove, Harrison was standing over the Cardinal player-That would have been after the ball had been downed and the play was over. At that point, they could have considered it taunting.
To be clear, don't get me wrong, Harrison deserved the penalty for the second shove that happened after the whistle, but the flag was thrown before that occured, so I am curious as to why it was thrown at all.
Also, there is NO WAY Harrison should have been ejected for that play-in the Super Bowl, regular season, or pre-season game. It was an unnecessary, late hit, but it wasn't worthy of an ejection.
Steel Dillo
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Is an open hand considered a punch? Because Harrison never hit the guy with his fist.
Its especially clear on the last video linked above that harrison's fingers were extended out (his gloves are black on the knuckles & palm and white on the fingers) and he strikes Francisco with an open palm to the shoulder to keep him on the ground.
Its especially clear on the last video linked above that harrison's fingers were extended out (his gloves are black on the knuckles & palm and white on the fingers) and he strikes Francisco with an open palm to the shoulder to keep him on the ground.
Devine Intervention
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I dont think he should have been ejected, but anyone who doesnt think it was a scumbag play by Harrison, regardless of a low block, is rediculous and hopefully never in charge of teaching sportsmanship to any kids period. If the player is down, you hold them down until the whistle. You dont let them get up half way just to cheap shot them back down again. That was why the penalty was called, because he couldve just held the player down and had the play end, but didnt. Its like when Sapp gave a cheap shot to the Packers player, sure it was in the field of play, but was totally unclassy and never should it be backed up otherwise.
You have obviously never played football before let alone blocked anybody. There was nothing wrong with what the Cardinals player did.Harrison punched him and should be suspended/fined.
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Steel Dillo
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once again... Is an open hand considered a punch? Because Harrison never hit the guy with his fist.Its especially clear on the last video linked above that harrison's fingers were extended out (his gloves are black on the knuckles & palm and white on the fingers) and he strikes Francisco with an open palm to the shoulder to keep him on the ground.You have obviously never played football before let alone blocked anybody. There was nothing wrong with what the Cardinals player did.Harrison punched him and should be suspended/fined.
flapgreen
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You lost me hereI agree with Crosseyed. Look at the replay. Francisco's helmet clearly makes contact with Harrisons jewels (albeit accidently then makes contact a second time, you see Harrison flinch and then shove Francisco over.
flapgreen
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What the hell does this have to do with getting clubbed in the back of the head and the neck?Now consider, on the game winning drive... Francisco got beat twice. On the two biggest plays.He slips while covering Holmes and giving him a massive cushion on the long catch and run to the five. Then he trailed him from too far away at the back of the endzone on game winner.
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flapgreen
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Seriously? I doubt taking a throat chop scared or intimidated Francisco. He's an NFL offensive lineman. What was he scared of, getting hacked in the throat again or getting beat? I don't see how you could make any sort of connection between the two.Nothing in regards to the penalty. It was desrved. It was text book unesscessary roughness.But in reagrds to "being scared' and "playing scared"... the mental aspect of player is often times crucial.What the hell does this have to do with getting clubbed in the back of the head and the neck?
He slips while covering Holmes and giving him a massive cushion on the long catch and run to the five.
Then he trailed him from too far away at the back of the endzone on game winner.
Now it would be nice if every player just moved-on and was able to get past it. But we know that doesnt always happen.
SR388
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He's going to get fined for the punches he threw. And yes Aaron Francisco is a woman, so is Harrisons GF, who he hit earlier this year.Eating crow cuz he gets fined?Thats what it has come to now?
OH NOES HE BEEN FINED!!!
And you really shouldnt call Aaron Francisco a woman.
Guys who hit women are trash. Go ahead and defend him if you like.
SR388
Footballguy
You know what's better then the Steelers getting handed the Superbowl, baiting you losers and watching you defend your team on a message board for the aproval of a bunch of strangers.
Everybody is talking about how the refs blew it. That perception is out there, otherwise you wouldn't be here defending it.
Perception is reality, my mullet sporting dirtball!
Everybody is talking about how the refs blew it. That perception is out there, otherwise you wouldn't be here defending it.
Perception is reality, my mullet sporting dirtball!
SR388
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He slapped her. Open handed. She reported it as such - and he corrobated her story.He's going to get fined for the punches he threw. And yes Aaron Francisco is a woman, so is Harrisons GF, who he hit earlier this year.Eating crow cuz he gets fined?Thats what it has come to now?
OH NOES HE BEEN FINED!!!
And you really shouldnt call Aaron Francisco a woman.
Guys who hit women are trash. Go ahead and defend him if you like.
That doesnt make it all right... but he didnt "hit" her.
Not that you give a #### about the truth.
James Harrison is a loser.
SR388
Footballguy
I don't think there are a lot of Cardinal fans who visit this board.SCOREBOARD!
two_dollars
Footballguy
Ejected? Are you serious? I'd argue if it was even worthy of a flag.
3C's
Footballguy
Seriously? I doubt taking a throat chop scared or intimidated Francisco. He's an NFL offensive lineman. What was he scared of, getting hacked in the throat again or getting beat? I don't see how you could make any sort of connection between the two.Nothing in regards to the penalty. It was desrved. It was text book unesscessary roughness.But in reagrds to "being scared' and "playing scared"... the mental aspect of player is often times crucial.What the hell does this have to do with getting clubbed in the back of the head and the neck?
He slips while covering Holmes and giving him a massive cushion on the long catch and run to the five.
Then he trailed him from too far away at the back of the endzone on game winner.
Now it would be nice if every player just moved-on and was able to get past it. But we know that doesnt always happen.
You'd think you could at least get one thing right.
Sheriff66
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He will not be fined for that
So if my perception of you is a loser who sits at home in his Superman underoos, spouting nonsense on a football message board because he has no life, no friends, and the closest he has come to an intimate relationship with a woman was when his grandmother gave him sloppy, lipstick-smearing kisses, IS THAT REALITY?
Sheriff66
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Seriously? I doubt taking a throat chop scared or intimidated Francisco. He's an NFL offensive lineman. What was he scared of, getting hacked in the throat again or getting beat? I don't see how you could make any sort of connection between the two.Nothing in regards to the penalty. It was desrved. It was text book unesscessary roughness.But in reagrds to "being scared' and "playing scared"... the mental aspect of player is often times crucial.What the hell does this have to do with getting clubbed in the back of the head and the neck?
He slips while covering Holmes and giving him a massive cushion on the long catch and run to the five.
Then he trailed him from too far away at the back of the endzone on game winner.
Now it would be nice if every player just moved-on and was able to get past it. But we know that doesnt always happen.You'd think you could at least get one thing right.
Sheriff66
Footballguy
To be clear, I'm not necessarily saying that's my perception of you, but if it were, would that make it reality?
•TheRealMcCoy
Footballguy
This stuff probably happens "behind the scenes" all the time!! BUT, considering it didnt(because the refs and TV viewers seen it) he should have been ejected or at the VERY MIN taken off for a play and the Ref should have at least got in his grill a little?? But to do nothing is ridiculous?? I guess being he was the "Def player of the year" it gave him some sort of pass on doing what ever he wants behind the play??It was simply uncalled for!! Maybe him and Rodney Harrison or Richord Seymour are best of pals??Maybe next year, just for you, they could play a second game of flag football.
How did they "do nothing?" He was PROPERLY assessed an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. That is what the situation called for, nothing more.This stuff probably happens "behind the scenes" all the time!! BUT, considering it didnt(because the refs and TV viewers seen it) he should have been ejected or at the VERY MIN taken off for a play and the Ref should have at least got in his grill a little?? But to do nothing is ridiculous?? I guess being he was the "Def player of the year" it gave him some sort of pass on doing what ever he wants behind the play??It was simply uncalled for!! Maybe him and Rodney Harrison or Richord Seymour are best of pals??Maybe next year, just for you, they could play a second game of flag football.
Devine Intervention
Footballguy
For one, yes and open handed hit is considered a punch... whenever players go at it and someone gets fined or ejected for punching another player in the helmet, its rarely a closed fist. You usually never see someone punch with a closed fist to the helmet. And secondly, whoever it was that was backing up Harrison saying that he didnt hit his girl he slapped her is ######ed and should officially be emberrassed that he even posted that comment. Harrison in a thug for playing like that esp during the biggest game of his career.
Franknbeans
Footballguy
there was no punch, get over it
Wadsworth
Footballguy
Punch definedPunch \Punch\, n. A thrust or blow.there was no punch, get over it
Doesn't say anything about a closed fist. When they scout offensive linemen prospects, they talk them having a good "punch" at the point of attack, does that mean closed fist? Don't get hung up on the word just because you define it differently.
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