rockaction
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The mastery of sowing seeds of doubt in the mystery are what everybody involved trades in, right on down to the author.
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The Irishman - New Scorcese movie about Jimmy Hoffa (1 Viewer)
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Ilov80s
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Why is this all meant to be a mystery that becomes the new mystery? Give me a straight shooter.
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joffer
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Bracie Smathers
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Verrrrry long.
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Steve Martin - And Mary Scorcese is here somewhere, genius-wow.
Chris Rock - Yes, Marty Scorcese.
Um Marty, I, I, I just gotta tell ya I loved the first season of the Irishman.
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Steve Martin - And Mary Scorcese is here somewhere, genius-wow.
Chris Rock - Yes, Marty Scorcese.
Um Marty, I, I, I just gotta tell ya I loved the first season of the Irishman.
Mister CIA
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GordonGekko
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Oscar curse.
Lots of actors just won't let go of the role that got them the statue.
Pacino won for Scent Of A Woman, after a long tough road to winning an Oscar and he just wouldn't stop playing that blind retired Army colonel who wouldn't stop shouting at everyone. His film resume has some ugly spots ( Sea of Love, Frankie And Johnny, etc) in the middle so I can see where he would believe SOAW saved his career and didn't want to stop that gravy train. De Niro sort of had the same problem. He did Analyze This and he never really did comedy before and it was a hit and then all he wanted to do was comedies. Then he made the career mistake of getting fat for a long while, which only shoveled him into more of those tottering aging character roles.
What would have saved both of them was another Godfather film in the vein of GF2. Pacino playing older Michael possibly BEFORE GF3 time and De Niro playing Vito Corleone, older than his GF2 timeline but younger than Brando in GF1. There were rumors that Leo DiCaprio was approached to play young Sonny Corleone in an entirely separate film and to use some material in Puzo's original Godfather book that didn't make the film. It would also have been an excuse to bring Robert Duvall as Tom Hagen back since it would be pre GF3 timeline.
The missing material never used in the films were
1) Vito's rise to power in the olive oil industry as a cover for his bootlegging
2) Young Sonny as a captain of his own regime, who took over when Vito was shot in an assassination attempt and rose to his own form of power
3) The backstory of Luca Brasi
4) The back story of the recruitment of Al Neri
5) How Rocco Lampone was chosen by Vito to form a secret regime to enact the hits on the heads of the Five Families
6) Lengthy segments with Johnny Fontaine and Hollywood and how his fish out of water NY cousin came with him and how the Corleones invested in films ( Puzo covered more of this in a separate but different novel called Fools Die)
7) Lucy Mancini in Vegas and her interaction with a doctor. There are long unneeded segments about her needing a type of reduction surgery/flap surgery that can only speak to Puzo being some kind of deviant artist like HR Giger.
There was enough functional material to form a "flashback section" of a new GF film. Bringing back younger versions of Clemenza, Tessio, Consigliere Genco, Hyman Roth, Fredo, etc would have all appealed to hard core fans.
Part of the problem is Puzo is actually a mediocre writer. The GF is incredible in major sections, but his other books (Sicilian, Fourth K, Fools Die, Omerta, etc) all were horrible. I still believe he never wrote the GF himself, I think he might have stolen it. There is no way the person who wrote those later novels could have written the GF. And Coppola just lost his magic over time.
De Niro's last good serious film was Ronin and Pacino hasn't tuned down the scenery chewing since Heat. Both made the mistake of not moving into high end prestige television at some point.
Historically based mob films don't really resonate that well on screen. Goodfellas is an exception. Smaller films with a narrower scope like Killing Them Softly is just a better fit for where De Niro and Pacino have shown strengths.
