The Jets just baffle me (1 Viewer)

[Judge Smails]

1) Why are they no longer an elite running offense?

2) The offense looked unstoppable earlier in the year after Sanchez was allowed to open it up. Then they add Santonio, which should mean more explosiveness. Now they can't put drives together? What's the deal? Schottenheimer? Execution? Just dropped passes?

3) Why is the defense not as dominating as they were? An owner in our league, a die hard Jets fan, has now put them on the block. He would have never done that before. What gives? Why aren't they the stop unit they were before?

Unlike other teams, I don't see injuries as a valid excuse to any of of the above.

 

[Clifford]

Things change? They lost a HUGE DT for the season in preseason, Revvis has been nursing a bum hammy for most of the year. As for the running game they have two new backs on the team. I don't know if you are comparing them to last year or earlier this year on that. I didn't see the game so not sure how bad it was.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

LTs ypc is going way down the last 3 games.

Dont panic because Detroit gave the jets all they can handle, they are very improved and the Packers are a SB contender too.

 

[Kiddnets]

Jet homer and LT owner

1. Jets OL hasnt been getting the push it has been in past for whatever reason

2. Lousy coaching - especially Schotty the OC - very predictable - if I see one more 5 yrd pattern on 3rd and 12.....he has way too much faith that WRs will break plays open on their own - Rex has been poor lately with TOs and challenges.

3. Mental lapses - way to many dropped balls, penalties

4. Flat - this team looks flat - Detroit was flying around the field, trash talking, acting chippy - really took it to the Jets - they look like a team that thinks its better than it is right now.

5. Defense - no pass rush/no turnovers - they have to blitz to get any kind of pressure which leaves a lot of plays to be made - its been a long time since the Jets had an INT.

 

[Chaka]

Alan Faneca

 

[Chaka]

Things change? They lost a HUGE DT for the season in preseason, Revvis has been nursing a bum hammy for most of the year. As for the running game they have two new backs on the team. I don't know if you are comparing them to last year or earlier this year on that. I didn't see the game so not sure how bad it was.

They lost Jenkins for the season last year too.

 

[nysportsfan]

1) Why are they no longer an elite running offense? A little bit of regression to the mean/unsustainable ratio. With the development of Sanchez, they want to open it up and I think that means they run fewer times per game. The loss of Faneca hurts more in the running game than the passing game, so that may be an issue. Slausson has been very good, and better than most thought, but he is not yet the road paver Faneca was.

2) The offense looked unstoppable earlier in the year after Sanchez was allowed to open it up. Then they add Santonio, which should mean more explosiveness. Now they can't put drives together? What's the deal? Schottenheimer? Execution? Just dropped passes? Shotty needs to develop more offensive consistency. They cannot sustain some drives as they were doing earlier in the year when they were dominating. The Jets are not an elite team, and like almost all teams, there will be ebbs and flows during the year. THe offense and defense will go up and down. The d is better than the o, so it will be more noticeable for them, which I think we are seeing now. The Jets can move the ball, but have to limit penalties (which is typical of a Rex team) and continue to play above their opponent, not down to them.

3) Why is the defense not as dominating as they were? An owner in our league, a die hard Jets fan, has now put them on the block. He would have never done that before. What gives? Why aren't they the stop unit they were before? As good as Jenkins is, he was not a huge loss. Many people think it was huge, but DeVito and Pouha are very much above average.

Not only did Pouha play well for a replacement player, he was far better than anyone could’ve expected from him in 2009. After not doing much since being drafted in the third round out of Utah in 2005, Pouha was outstanding as a run stuffer in Rex Ryan’s system.

According to ProFootballFocus, one of the great new-age football sites on the web, in 2009 Sione Pouha was the top-ranked run-stuffing tackle in all of football, accounting for 32 defensive stops, making the Jets run defense as tough as ever even without big Kris Jenkins.

Link These guys are very good, the Jets just lack a good 3 down rusher, not just a specialist like Taylor. Pace is very good, but they need another guy because Gholston is not the answer and was a mistake in the draft (obviously, at this point). I imagine this will address via draft or FA next year.

Unlike other teams, I don't see injuries as a valid excuse to any of of the above. I just think this is a result of an NFL season. There will be some ups and downs, and right now, they are down, but still 6-2. In years past, they might be 4-4, but they have the personnel to get through the rough patches. Yesterday was a gift, but they still had to drive in OT, which IMO, was no given. This team is very good, but somewhere in between the elite team they were being called, and the team they showed yesterday for about 50 minutes.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Jet homer and LT owner1. Jets OL hasnt been getting the push it has been in past for whatever reason2. Lousy coaching - especially Schotty the OC - very predictable - if I see one more 5 yrd pattern on 3rd and 12.....he has way too much faith that WRs will break plays open on their own - Rex has been poor lately with TOs and challenges. 3. Mental lapses - way to many dropped balls, penalties4. Flat - this team looks flat - Detroit was flying around the field, trash talking, acting chippy - really took it to the Jets - they look like a team that thinks its better than it is right now. 5. Defense - no pass rush/no turnovers - they have to blitz to get any kind of pressure which leaves a lot of plays to be made - its been a long time since the Jets had an INT.

And yet, after basically being a .500 team last year, they are 6-2 this year, so I'd be pretty happy if I was a Jets fan. More importantly, they are finding ways to win those close games this year after losing a lot of them last year.

 

[njherdfan]

1) Why are they no longer an elite running offense? I would say that they've gotten away from the run a bit more this year because they've come to the conclusion that the NFL is still a passing league. Having said that, Greene still has a very good YPC, and they've done a very good job of keeping Sanchez upright as well. I think that with LT's YPC creeping downward, we will see more Greene and more of a dominant rushing attack. Losing Faneca hasn't been an issue. Slauson has been very good, and Faneca was a "name" player whose production didn't match his reputation or salary.

2) The offense looked unstoppable earlier in the year after Sanchez was allowed to open it up. Then they add Santonio, which should mean more explosiveness. Now they can't put drives together? What's the deal? Schottenheimer? Execution? Just dropped passes? I honestly think that a lot of the issue is with Sanchez. He is one of the most maddeningly inconsistent QBs I have ever seen. He misses short, open throws, then he makes incredible throws like his TD to Braylon yesterday. And then he throws an interception when he has Holmes open in the end zone. Also, he frequently locks on to his receiver which really stunts the offensive production. I honestly have no idea how he can be such a Jekyll and Hyde QB. In weeks 2-4 he had 8 TD, 0 picks, and he was reading the field like a veteran. Now, he looks lost and often forces the ball to a pre-determined read. I have no idea why this is or who the "real" Sanchez is, or whether we should blame Schottenheimer or Sanchez or a combination. But, I have to keep in mind how well he played in the playoffs last season and earlier this season as a reminder that he has the talent to be a very good QB, and hope he can get his act together for the playoffs.

3) Why is the defense not as dominating as they were? An owner in our league, a die hard Jets fan, has now put them on the block. He would have never done that before. What gives? Why aren't they the stop unit they were before? The simple answer is that the Jets didn't have a healthy Revis for much of the earlier season. Revis seems to cause a lot of controversy on this board over the whole "Revis Island" thing, but if you watch every Jets game then you understand how important he is to the Jets D. Since Revis has been healthy, they have faced two very good offensive teams and held the Packers to 6 offensive points (3 came off a fake punt) and held the NFC's top scoring team to 20 points, 3 of which came because of a stupid penalty. Now that there is no doubt that a healthy Revis is back, expect to see more exotic and heavy blitzes, and presumably, more success. I would whole-heartedly recommend the Jets D as a "buy-low" for fantasy purposes. While it's true that the Jets D does not have an elite pass rusher which would make the defense out of this world, it will still be an elite unit with a healthy Revis.

Unlike other teams, I don't see injuries as a valid excuse to any of of the above.

 

[Kiddnets]

Jet homer and LT owner1. Jets OL hasnt been getting the push it has been in past for whatever reason2. Lousy coaching - especially Schotty the OC - very predictable - if I see one more 5 yrd pattern on 3rd and 12.....he has way too much faith that WRs will break plays open on their own - Rex has been poor lately with TOs and challenges. 3. Mental lapses - way to many dropped balls, penalties4. Flat - this team looks flat - Detroit was flying around the field, trash talking, acting chippy - really took it to the Jets - they look like a team that thinks its better than it is right now. 5. Defense - no pass rush/no turnovers - they have to blitz to get any kind of pressure which leaves a lot of plays to be made - its been a long time since the Jets had an INT.

And yet, after basically being a .500 team last year, they are 6-2 this year, so I'd be pretty happy if I was a Jets fan. More importantly, they are finding ways to win those close games this year after losing a lot of them last year.

cant complain! But to be a SB contender this team needs to shape up quickly.

 

[Rovers]

Penalties

They have more drive killing penanlties than last year. They have given up more drive sustaining penalties on defense. They have gotten perhaps more than their fair share of bad calls too, like the sideline hit on Stafford that Ellis took yesterday.

Turnovers-Drops-ball security

Far, far too many dropped passes. Ryan claimed there were 9 drops against GB. The recievers are getting stripped of the ball on a weekly basis. 5 fumbles yesterday. Sure, they only lost one, but that is 5 lost offensive plays. Even snap exchanges are a problem lately. The turnovers are giving opponents very good field position, and the defense can only handle so many short fields before it starts giving up TD's. Even the DB's are dropping INT's.

Coaching

Teams are getting rid of the ball very quickly and the already questionable pass rush doesn't have the time to get any pressures. Teams are also avoiding throwing to the outside where Revis and Cromartie patrol. The weakness is in the short middle, where the Jets other DB's and LB's are getting beaten with regularity. Fast slants and crossing patterns have been killing the defense. The Jets started to switch to zone coverages instead of their signature man coverage at times because the DB's could not keep up with Lions recievers going short middle. The run defense is still pretty stout.

The Jets have two very good deep threats in Edwards and Holmes, but rarely throw the ball deep. That worked once yesterday, and Sanchez underthrew another for an INT. I don't think the CS has faith in Sanchez's deep throws. Detriot had 8 and even 9 in the box yesterday, but the Jets failed to take advantage. The loss of Fanecca is not a factor IMO. Against 9 in the box, it's not easy to run the ball. On the short routes, the WR's aren't getting any seperation. Sanchez also tends to put too much mustard on some short throws over the middle. He threw a laser off of Cotchery's chest from 8 yards away yesterday.

Every team will have problems, and the Jets are no different, but the biggest problems are the mental mistakes, penalties specifically, and ball security. Fix those two problems, and the rest will for the most part, take care of itself.

 

[NYRAGE]

Jet homer and LT owner1. Jets OL hasnt been getting the push it has been in past for whatever reason2. Lousy coaching - especially Schotty the OC - very predictable - if I see one more 5 yrd pattern on 3rd and 12.....he has way too much faith that WRs will break plays open on their own - Rex has been poor lately with TOs and challenges. 3. Mental lapses - way to many dropped balls, penalties4. Flat - this team looks flat - Detroit was flying around the field, trash talking, acting chippy - really took it to the Jets - they look like a team that thinks its better than it is right now. 5. Defense - no pass rush/no turnovers - they have to blitz to get any kind of pressure which leaves a lot of plays to be made - its been a long time since the Jets had an INT.

And yet, after basically being a .500 team last year, they are 6-2 this year, so I'd be pretty happy if I was a Jets fan. More importantly, they are finding ways to win those close games this year after losing a lot of them last year.

cant complain! But to be a SB contender this team needs to shape up quickly.

Yeah, they look unfocused these past two weeks for sure, but in today's football, which football team looks unbeatable? The Giants are beating scrubs. The Steelers should have lost to Miami and lost to a struggling Saints team. The Ravens lost twice and went to OT twice. Every team has flaws.The oline still looks good, but not as good as last year because they are incorporating a second year player. Frankly, I blame Schottenheimer for the offensive woes. He has no sense of game flow. The Jets can be running the ball without any problems and all of a sudden once they reach the 40, he will pull a reverse or start throwing the ball. On third and short, he might call for a deep pass. On first down, it's always a run up the middle. The defense looks almost the same to me: still vulnerable in the middle of the field and against nickel and dime corners. They lack a safety with range and they lack a pass rusher. That said, they usually buckle down when they need to. Revis looks healthy now, so I expect the defense to get a little better, especially with bad weather on its way.

 

[Reaper]

Penalties

They have more drive killing penanlties than last year. They have given up more drive sustaining penalties on defense. They have gotten perhaps more than their fair share of bad calls too, like the sideline hit on Stafford that Ellis took yesterday.

Turnovers-Drops-ball security

Far, far too many dropped passes. Ryan claimed there were 9 drops against GB. The recievers are getting stripped of the ball on a weekly basis. 5 fumbles yesterday. Sure, they only lost one, but that is 5 lost offensive plays. Even snap exchanges are a problem lately. The turnovers are giving opponents very good field position, and the defense can only handle so many short fields before it starts giving up TD's. Even the DB's are dropping INT's.

Coaching

Teams are getting rid of the ball very quickly and the already questionable pass rush doesn't have the time to get any pressures. Teams are also avoiding throwing to the outside where Revis and Cromartie patrol. The weakness is in the short middle, where the Jets other DB's and LB's are getting beaten with regularity. Fast slants and crossing patterns have been killing the defense. The Jets started to switch to zone coverages instead of their signature man coverage at times because the DB's could not keep up with Lions recievers going short middle. The run defense is still pretty stout.

The Jets have two very good deep threats in Edwards and Holmes, but rarely throw the ball deep. That worked once yesterday, and Sanchez underthrew another for an INT. I don't think the CS has faith in Sanchez's deep throws. Detriot had 8 and even 9 in the box yesterday, but the Jets failed to take advantage. The loss of Fanecca is not a factor IMO. Against 9 in the box, it's not easy to run the ball. On the short routes, the WR's aren't getting any seperation. Sanchez also tends to put too much mustard on some short throws over the middle. He threw a laser off of Cotchery's chest from 8 yards away yesterday.

Every team will have problems, and the Jets are no different, but the biggest problems are the mental mistakes, penalties specifically, and ball security. Fix those two problems, and the rest will for the most part, take care of itself.

You had me at Penalties.

Add in the 9 Drops in one game and a few other timely drops.

All correctable. They have been shooting themselves in the foot and maybe Santonio added to the mix did put them in a spot of trying to make everyone happy.

Amazing how many drives the past 2 weeks included a penalty, a bad drop, Fumble or TO.

You can't Ground and pound when these things put you in a hole. It's so underrated just to move the chains and next thing you know you racked up 150 yards on the ground effortlessly - I think that happened a lot to Thomas Jones last year.... It would be TJ for 3 TJ for 3... Sanchez to Keller for 4. On and on, more crisp play and less set backs...

Ground and Pound MUST come with clean mistake free football otherwise your QB is set up to fail.

Overall though on both sides of the ball I think this team has a high ceiling and hasn't come close to clicking yet....

 

[King of the Jungle]

Detroit can make anyone look bad.

 

[Reaper]

Jet homer and LT owner1. Jets OL hasnt been getting the push it has been in past for whatever reason2. Lousy coaching - especially Schotty the OC - very predictable - if I see one more 5 yrd pattern on 3rd and 12.....he has way too much faith that WRs will break plays open on their own - Rex has been poor lately with TOs and challenges. 3. Mental lapses - way to many dropped balls, penalties4. Flat - this team looks flat - Detroit was flying around the field, trash talking, acting chippy - really took it to the Jets - they look like a team that thinks its better than it is right now. 5. Defense - no pass rush/no turnovers - they have to blitz to get any kind of pressure which leaves a lot of plays to be made - its been a long time since the Jets had an INT.

And yet, after basically being a .500 team last year, they are 6-2 this year, so I'd be pretty happy if I was a Jets fan. More importantly, they are finding ways to win those close games this year after losing a lot of them last year.

cant complain! But to be a SB contender this team needs to shape up quickly.

Yeah, they look unfocused these past two weeks for sure, but in today's football, which football team looks unbeatable? The Giants are beating scrubs. The Steelers should have lost to Miami and lost to a struggling Saints team. The Ravens lost twice and went to OT twice. Every team has flaws.The oline still looks good, but not as good as last year because they are incorporating a second year player. Frankly, I blame Schottenheimer for the offensive woes. He has no sense of game flow. The Jets can be running the ball without any problems and all of a sudden once they reach the 40, he will pull a reverse or start throwing the ball. On third and short, he might call for a deep pass. On first down, it's always a run up the middle. The defense looks almost the same to me: still vulnerable in the middle of the field and against nickel and dime corners. They lack a safety with range and they lack a pass rusher. That said, they usually buckle down when they need to. Revis looks healthy now, so I expect the defense to get a little better, especially with bad weather on its way.

1) I also give credit to GB who came to play and Detroit who was hitting everything in site on and off the playing field 2) As for Schott.. he looks a lot better when the team executes and doesn't put themselves in 1-20 holes. Look at the drive charts for the past 2 weeks hard for me to blame Schott when the majority of drives contain drops, fumbles, penalties and Turnovers.3) Agree about the defense, I still say they are getting their feet underneath them witht he additions.... The lack of a pass rush is painful at times though.

 

[Born to Run]

How do you Jets fans fell about Sanchez's performance? He looks like the weak spot in that offense whenever I see them play. Does he ever hit a WR in stride? The OL may not be as good/dominate as last year, but the def appears to be stacking the box also.

 

[nysportsfan]

How do you Jets fans fell about Sanchez's performance? He looks like the weak spot in that offense whenever I see them play. Does he ever hit a WR in stride? The OL may not be as good/dominate as last year, but the def appears to be stacking the box also.

Maddeningly inconsistent. But he did hit Braylon in stride on that long TD pass yesterday

 

[njherdfan]

How do you Jets fans fell about Sanchez's performance? He looks like the weak spot in that offense whenever I see them play. Does he ever hit a WR in stride? The OL may not be as good/dominate as last year, but the def appears to be stacking the box also.

Incredibly frustrating. Inexplicable decisions followed by spectacular throws.

 

[NYRAGE]

How do you Jets fans fell about Sanchez's performance? He looks like the weak spot in that offense whenever I see them play. Does he ever hit a WR in stride? The OL may not be as good/dominate as last year, but the def appears to be stacking the box also.

I think that he's going to be really good. Like any second year QB, he is going to struggle at times, so he is inconsistent.

 

[rangerforme]

How do you Jets fans fell about Sanchez's performance? He looks like the weak spot in that offense whenever I see them play. Does he ever hit a WR in stride? The OL may not be as good/dominate as last year, but the def appears to be stacking the box also.

I think that he's going to be really good. Like any second year QB, he is going to struggle at times, so he is inconsistent.

When they were rolling early I seem to remember Keller having big games, he's been pretty quiet as of late.

 

[packersfan]

5. Defense - no pass rush/no turnovers - they have to blitz to get any kind of pressure which leaves a lot of plays to be made - its been a long time since the Jets had an INT.

For a defense that boasts an aggressive mentality I'm amazed at how few big plays the unit makes.

 

[BallparkFrank]

How much will a lack of playing time for Santonio Holmes thus far impact the Jets chances of re-signing him? While I can understand that he's probably behind a bit because of the suspension, they need to get this cat on the field more than they are.

 

[Rovers]

Ryan was just on ESPN radio NY. He mentioned the pass rush, and talked about the quick drop backs and quick throws as part of the reason for a lack of QB pressures and sacks. The Jets did get quite a few hits on Lions' QB's, but just after the ball was thrown. Opponents are not using 7 step drops very often against the Jets, it's all short crossing pattern stuff with good YAC. High percentage throws. Three step drops.

Ryan mentioned that the lack of turnovers on defense is a concern. The Jets are losing the turnover battle almost every week now. Aside from DB's dropping INT's, they have also gotten in each other's way on free balls that should have been intercepted. Pouha who is a NT, actually dropped into the middle as an adjustment yesterday to clog those short middle routes and surprised Stafford. He got a hand up and then the ball bounced off his facemask, to his chest and off his hands. Another gimmee T/O opportunity missed. That is pretty much the story for the last month. Lots of missed chances.

Sanchez was nothing short of pretty freakin good at the end of the game. With 4:26 left, down by 10, Sanchez went 8 for 9 passing for 79 yards and 10 points on the board in the 2 minute drill. In OT, he went 2 for 2 and 62 yards, still running the 2 minute offense, something he asked Ryan to continue, running the 2 minute in OT.

He was woefully inconsistant the rest of the game. Sanchez definitely shows flashes, but seems to have trouble getting into a rythym when running the regular offensive game plan. It doesn't help that the WR's and Keller often run 5 yard routes on 3rd and tens.

Still, this team's biggest problems are penalties, drops and ball security. The Jets CS and Ryan still think they can run against 9 in the box. They can't. The play calling on offense has to be modified and take what the defense is giving, rather than stubbornly run against stacked boxes. At least Sanchez's long throw to Holmes that got intercepted was better than a punt, being downed on the two. they need to take more chances when teams stack the box. Sometimes it's the passing offense that can help the rush offense, something Ryan refuses to adapt to.

 

[njherdfan]

How much will a lack of playing time for Santonio Holmes thus far impact the Jets chances of re-signing him? While I can understand that he's probably behind a bit because of the suspension, they need to get this cat on the field more than they are.

I'd expect the Jets to focus on resigning Braylon over Holmes.

 

[basher]

Jet homer and LT owner1. Jets OL hasnt been getting the push it has been in past for whatever reason2. Lousy coaching - especially Schotty the OC - very predictable - if I see one more 5 yrd pattern on 3rd and 12.....he has way too much faith that WRs will break plays open on their own - Rex has been poor lately with TOs and challenges. 3. Mental lapses - way to many dropped balls, penalties4. Flat - this team looks flat - Detroit was flying around the field, trash talking, acting chippy - really took it to the Jets - they look like a team that thinks its better than it is right now. 5. Defense - no pass rush/no turnovers - they have to blitz to get any kind of pressure which leaves a lot of plays to be made - its been a long time since the Jets had an INT.

also, teams seem more then happy to force Sanchez to beat them. He is going to have to start regularly burning teams instead of doing it every couple of games.

 

[Masked Vigilante]

It seems like Sanchez is best when he's under pressure and relying more on his instincts than the game plan the OC created.

 

[Reaper]

At least Sanchez's long throw to Holmes that got intercepted was better than a punt, being downed on the two. they need to take more chances when teams stack the box. Sometimes it's the passing offense that can help the rush offense, something Ryan refuses to adapt to.

Cannizaro of Newsday called that INT a Horrible INT...... I don't mind that INT at all.. It's the INT in your own zone or the Pick 6 that is horrible...Taking a chance and throwing THAT ball is what the Jets need to do a lot more of.Sanchez seems to be a lot better with play action as well....

 

[Reaper]

How much will a lack of playing time for Santonio Holmes thus far impact the Jets chances of re-signing him? While I can understand that he's probably behind a bit because of the suspension, they need to get this cat on the field more than they are.

I'd expect the Jets to focus on resigning Braylon over Holmes.

That will be interesting.... IMO, it's what we don't see that will be the biggest factor. If one of these guys gets frustrated and says #### it, this offense doesn't do enough for me, then he'll be the odd man out... Or maybe the guy who takes less to stay and is therefore more J E T S.The Jets staff loves both guys but, as they said all offseason, Holmes is the best player on the offense.