The lack of respect for the Chicago Bears. (1 Viewer)

[PsychoMan]

Bear bashers, please read on and hesitate before throwing out the mindless "PTTS", "You're a whiny Bear homer" & "Rex sucks" comments. Please save those for all the other Rex Grossman and Chicago Bear threads. I completely understand that the Bears may fall in the playoffs this year and am not betting money on them winning the Super Bowl. I'm trying to figure out why the Bears seem to be the team that everyone picks on, and no one picks to win.

Moving on; I think it's quite obvious to us all that, in general, the media, fans & players have a serious lack of respect for the Chicago Bears. Some examples over the past two seasons:

On Brian Urlacher, from Wikipedia: "However, many skeptics and critics have considered Urlacher to be overrated. Urlacher’s injury woes in 2004 earned him the infamous honor as the NFL’s most overrated player in 2004. Even after recovering from his injury, and winning the NFL Defensive Player of the Year Award for the 2005 season, a 2006 Sports Illustrated poll of 361 NFL players named Urlacher to be the second most overrated player in the league right behind Terrell Owens."

2005 Playoffs - The Bears win 10 of their final 12 regular season games (and the Minnesota loss didn't matter). They have homefield advantage locked up. They beat Carolina handedly, by a score of 13-3, earlier in the regular season. But, according to many, they are the underdog in their playoff matchup vs Carolina. Most everyone that I personally talked to before the game & on this message board truely believed that Carolina would win that game. I know that Carolina DID end up winning, but I didn't see why people drew that conclusion going into the game; especially when the Bears beat them earlier that year.

Rex Grossman - Rex wins september NFC player of the month honors. Many of my friends, and people on this board did not give him credit & didn't think he deserved it. Since then, he has looked great some games, and horrible in others. In all honesty, aren't we hearing a LOT more negative crap about Rex than Eli Manning & the lovable, huggable Big Ben Roethescheeseburger, who are more experienced, but are playing just as bad? In a sense, this is Rex's rookie season; many notable quarterbacks have had equally bad rookie seasons, but never received quite this much flak. See Peyton Manning.

The Bears only beat up on bad teams. Think about all the love San Diego (11-2) is getting; 8 of their 11 wins this season have been over teams with losing records. The other three wins come against Cincy (8-5) & Denver (7-6) twice. They were also losing two of these games badly before amassing huge comebacks for the win. I had no idea that this was true before finding it just now, but I've heard this argument against the Bears ten thousand times.

2006:

Before week 4, everything thought Seattle would beat up on the Bears.

After week 6 (Arizona), the cries "They've been exposed" are heard.

Before week 10, the Giants were supposed to beat the Bears.

"The Bears will F*** up their 3 game east coast road trip." They come out of it with 2 wins (nearly 3).

Before this past weekend, when Dallas got pummelled by New Orleans and Carolina fell to a LOSING record, MANY people believed either of these teams would beat Chicago in the playoffs.

I see people jumping on the Saints bandwagon now.

I know we can call agree that anything can happen on any given Sunday. There are no easy wins in the NFL.The Bears started the 2005 season poorly with 1 Win, and 3 Losses.

Since then, they have 20 Wins and 5 Losses.

2005 Week 14: Lost 9-21 @ Pittsburg --- Tough game. Pittsburg was better, outplayed them & went on to win the Super Bowl.

2005 Week 17: Lost 10-34 @ Minnesota --- Bears got beat up, but had homefield advantage wrapped up. Game didn't mean anything to them.

2005 Playoff: Lost 21-29 vs Carolina --- Tough playoff matchup, but Bears stayed in it to the end. Bears DBs fell flat on their face twice giving Steve Smith two uncontested touchdowns. Sort of a Rex Grossman "debut" - overall, he plays well.

2006 Week 8 : Lost 13-31 vs Miami --- Pretty much a complete Bears meltdown. Rex didn't have a good day, but neither did anyone else.

2006 Week 10: Lost 13-17 @ New England --- Tough game again. Brady converts some MAJOR 3rd downs and goes on to win a close one. Some say Rex alone handed this game to the Patriots giving the ball up 4 times.

Has any other team won 20 of their last 25 games? Indy maybe???

I am not saying the Bears are hands down the best team in the NFL.

I am not even sure they will win the NFC given their current QB problems; but if I had to put money on ONE NFC team, it would go on the Bears.

What I'm saying is, I think they are one of the least respected teams in the NFL (relative to their record --- obviously people have much less respect for Oakland). Why is that?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

they do play in the NFL's weakest division.

 

[MLBrandow]

My favorite part is that people are clamoring for Grossman to be benched in favor of Griese, when in fact Griese was in the exact same boat last year with the Bucs, and was going to be benched for Simms if not for his going on IR in week 5.

That said though, Chicago needs a new OC.

 

[omally]

My favorite part is that people are clamoring for Grossman to be benched in favor of Griese, when in fact Griese was in the exact same boat last year with the Bucs, and was going to be benched for Simms if not for his going on IR in week 5.That said though, Chicago needs a new OC.

You must not have seen many of Grossman's interception throws. Half the time there isn't even a Bear WR in the vicinity of the throw. That is not the OC's fault.

 

[jonessed]

Grossman is an accident waiting to happen. When your most important position player has the ability to implode and become a turnover machine at the drop of a hat you are going to have some problems come crunch time.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

To respect the Bears would be to show an inappropriate lack of respect for the Patriots.

 

[Doovz]

"If you want to crown their a** then go ahead and crown their *ss"

 

[protoslacker]

Grossman: The Ravens were in the Superbowl with Trent Dilfer. After Dilfer got racked in the Superbowl they sent Tony Banks in. Rather than let Tony Banks play, a groggy and dazed Dilfer was sent back in after 1 or 2 plays. Tony Banks had better numbers than Rex Grossman.

 

[sainttillidie]

Bear bashers, please read on and hesitate before throwing out the mindless "PTTS", "You're a whiny Bear homer" & "Rex sucks" comments. Please save those for all the other Rex Grossman and Chicago Bear threads. I completely understand that the Bears may fall in the playoffs this year and am not betting money on them winning the Super Bowl. I'm trying to figure out why the Bears seem to be the team that everyone picks on, and no one picks to win.

Moving on; I think it's quite obvious to us all that, in general, the media, fans & players have a serious lack of respect for the Chicago Bears. Some examples over the past two seasons:

On Brian Urlacher, from Wikipedia: "However, many skeptics and critics have considered Urlacher to be overrated. Urlacher’s injury woes in 2004 earned him the infamous honor as the NFL’s most overrated player in 2004. Even after recovering from his injury, and winning the NFL Defensive Player of the Year Award for the 2005 season, a 2006 Sports Illustrated poll of 361 NFL players named Urlacher to be the second most overrated player in the league right behind Terrell Owens."

2005 Playoffs - The Bears win 10 of their final 12 regular season games (and the Minnesota loss didn't matter). They have homefield advantage locked up. They beat Carolina handedly, by a score of 13-3, earlier in the regular season. But, according to many, they are the underdog in their playoff matchup vs Carolina. Most everyone that I personally talked to before the game & on this message board truely believed that Carolina would win that game. I know that Carolina DID end up winning, but I didn't see why people drew that conclusion going into the game; especially when the Bears beat them earlier that year.

Rex Grossman - Rex wins september NFC player of the month honors. Many of my friends, and people on this board did not give him credit & didn't think he deserved it. Since then, he has looked great some games, and horrible in others. In all honesty, aren't we hearing a LOT more negative crap about Rex than Eli Manning & the lovable, huggable Big Ben Roethescheeseburger, who are more experienced, but are playing just as bad? In a sense, this is Rex's rookie season; many notable quarterbacks have had equally bad rookie seasons, but never received quite this much flak. See Peyton Manning.

The Bears only beat up on bad teams. Think about all the love San Diego (11-2) is getting; 8 of their 11 wins this season have been over teams with losing records. The other three wins come against Cincy (8-5) & Denver (7-6) twice. They were also losing two of these games badly before amassing huge comebacks for the win. I had no idea that this was true before finding it just now, but I've heard this argument against the Bears ten thousand times.

2006:

Before week 4, everything thought Seattle would beat up on the Bears.

After week 6 (Arizona), the cries "They've been exposed" are heard.

Before week 10, the Giants were supposed to beat the Bears.

"The Bears will F*** up their 3 game east coast road trip." They come out of it with 2 wins (nearly 3).

Before this past weekend, when Dallas got pummelled by New Orleans and Carolina fell to a LOSING record, MANY people believed either of these teams would beat Chicago in the playoffs.

I see people jumping on the Saints bandwagon now.

I know we can call agree that anything can happen on any given Sunday. There are no easy wins in the NFL.The Bears started the 2005 season poorly with 1 Win, and 3 Losses.

Since then, they have 20 Wins and 5 Losses.

2005 Week 14: Lost 9-21 @ Pittsburg --- Tough game. Pittsburg was better, outplayed them & went on to win the Super Bowl.

2005 Week 17: Lost 10-34 @ Minnesota --- Bears got beat up, but had homefield advantage wrapped up. Game didn't mean anything to them.

2005 Playoff: Lost 21-29 vs Carolina --- Tough playoff matchup, but Bears stayed in it to the end. Bears DBs fell flat on their face twice giving Steve Smith two uncontested touchdowns. Sort of a Rex Grossman "debut" - overall, he plays well.

2006 Week 8 : Lost 13-31 vs Miami --- Pretty much a complete Bears meltdown. Rex didn't have a good day, but neither did anyone else.

2006 Week 10: Lost 13-17 @ New England --- Tough game again. Brady converts some MAJOR 3rd downs and goes on to win a close one. Some say Rex alone handed this game to the Patriots giving the ball up 4 times.

Has any other team won 20 of their last 25 games? Indy maybe???

I am not saying the Bears are hands down the best team in the NFL.

I am not even sure they will win the NFC given their current QB problems; but if I had to put money on ONE NFC team, it would go on the Bears.

What I'm saying is, I think they are one of the least respected teams in the NFL (relative to their record --- obviously people have much less respect for Oakland). Why is that?

you talk about no respect, try being a saint fan. Give them their respect or they will be forced to take it.

 

[Steeler]

Two words: Gross man.

 

[Banger]

Great defense, bad offense, cheesecake schedule.

 

[flapgreen]

they do play in the NFL's weakest division.

Coming into this weekCowboys Opponents Combined Record=64/80Played 2 teams with winning recordsSaints Opponents Combined Record=65/79Also played 2 teams with winning recordsBears Opponents Combined Record=64/80Played 3 teams with winning recordsThat argument is overblown.

 

[flapgreen]

Great defense, bad offense, cheesecake schedule.

See above

 

[flapgreen]

Bear bashers, please read on and hesitate before throwing out the mindless "PTTS", "You're a whiny Bear homer" & "Rex sucks" comments. Please save those for all the other Rex Grossman and Chicago Bear threads. I completely understand that the Bears may fall in the playoffs this year and am not betting money on them winning the Super Bowl. I'm trying to figure out why the Bears seem to be the team that everyone picks on, and no one picks to win.

Moving on; I think it's quite obvious to us all that, in general, the media, fans & players have a serious lack of respect for the Chicago Bears. Some examples over the past two seasons:

On Brian Urlacher, from Wikipedia: "However, many skeptics and critics have considered Urlacher to be overrated. Urlacher’s injury woes in 2004 earned him the infamous honor as the NFL’s most overrated player in 2004. Even after recovering from his injury, and winning the NFL Defensive Player of the Year Award for the 2005 season, a 2006 Sports Illustrated poll of 361 NFL players named Urlacher to be the second most overrated player in the league right behind Terrell Owens."

2005 Playoffs - The Bears win 10 of their final 12 regular season games (and the Minnesota loss didn't matter). They have homefield advantage locked up. They beat Carolina handedly, by a score of 13-3, earlier in the regular season. But, according to many, they are the underdog in their playoff matchup vs Carolina. Most everyone that I personally talked to before the game & on this message board truely believed that Carolina would win that game. I know that Carolina DID end up winning, but I didn't see why people drew that conclusion going into the game; especially when the Bears beat them earlier that year.

Rex Grossman - Rex wins september NFC player of the month honors. Many of my friends, and people on this board did not give him credit & didn't think he deserved it. Since then, he has looked great some games, and horrible in others. In all honesty, aren't we hearing a LOT more negative crap about Rex than Eli Manning & the lovable, huggable Big Ben Roethescheeseburger, who are more experienced, but are playing just as bad? In a sense, this is Rex's rookie season; many notable quarterbacks have had equally bad rookie seasons, but never received quite this much flak. See Peyton Manning.

The Bears only beat up on bad teams. Think about all the love San Diego (11-2) is getting; 8 of their 11 wins this season have been over teams with losing records. The other three wins come against Cincy (8-5) & Denver (7-6) twice. They were also losing two of these games badly before amassing huge comebacks for the win. I had no idea that this was true before finding it just now, but I've heard this argument against the Bears ten thousand times.

2006:

Before week 4, everything thought Seattle would beat up on the Bears.

After week 6 (Arizona), the cries "They've been exposed" are heard.

Before week 10, the Giants were supposed to beat the Bears.

"The Bears will F*** up their 3 game east coast road trip." They come out of it with 2 wins (nearly 3).

Before this past weekend, when Dallas got pummelled by New Orleans and Carolina fell to a LOSING record, MANY people believed either of these teams would beat Chicago in the playoffs.

I see people jumping on the Saints bandwagon now.

I know we can call agree that anything can happen on any given Sunday. There are no easy wins in the NFL.The Bears started the 2005 season poorly with 1 Win, and 3 Losses.

Since then, they have 20 Wins and 5 Losses.

2005 Week 14: Lost 9-21 @ Pittsburg --- Tough game. Pittsburg was better, outplayed them & went on to win the Super Bowl.

2005 Week 17: Lost 10-34 @ Minnesota --- Bears got beat up, but had homefield advantage wrapped up. Game didn't mean anything to them.

2005 Playoff: Lost 21-29 vs Carolina --- Tough playoff matchup, but Bears stayed in it to the end. Bears DBs fell flat on their face twice giving Steve Smith two uncontested touchdowns. Sort of a Rex Grossman "debut" - overall, he plays well.

2006 Week 8 : Lost 13-31 vs Miami --- Pretty much a complete Bears meltdown. Rex didn't have a good day, but neither did anyone else.

2006 Week 10: Lost 13-17 @ New England --- Tough game again. Brady converts some MAJOR 3rd downs and goes on to win a close one. Some say Rex alone handed this game to the Patriots giving the ball up 4 times.

Has any other team won 20 of their last 25 games? Indy maybe???

I am not saying the Bears are hands down the best team in the NFL.

I am not even sure they will win the NFC given their current QB problems; but if I had to put money on ONE NFC team, it would go on the Bears.

What I'm saying is, I think they are one of the least respected teams in the NFL (relative to their record --- obviously people have much less respect for Oakland). Why is that?

you talk about no respect, try being a saint fan. Give them their respect or they will be forced to take it.

They've already said the Saints are the best team in the NFC.

 

[azgroover]

What means of respect would you like to see? Perhaps we can accomodate you so as to stop the #####ing.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

I'm not sure what you mean by disrespect. I think my opinion is pretty conventional:

Fantastic, championship-caliber defense.

Offense is not merely average, but error-prone, which is a huge achilles heel in the playoffs.

Match up the Bears DEF with an average, low-mistake offense (see: Patriots offense), and they can easily win a SB. But unless Grossman starts playing a LOT better, I don't see how they survive an aggressive playoff defense.

And you are dead wrong when you say that Grossman has been playing better than Roethlisberger in the past 4-8 weeks.

 

[flapgreen]

What means of respect would you like to see? Perhaps we can accomodate you so as to stop the #####ing.

Good info here

 

[GrossmanTheINTMachine]

Ah the ole "we don't get no respect" card.

 

[redman]

My favorite part is that people are clamoring for Grossman to be benched in favor of Griese, when in fact Griese was in the exact same boat last year with the Bucs, and was going to be benched for Simms if not for his going on IR in week 5.That said though, Chicago needs a new OC.

You must not have seen many of Grossman's interception throws. Half the time there isn't even a Bear WR in the vicinity of the throw. That is not the OC's fault.

It's the offensive coordinator's job to get the receivers to the spots where Rex is throwing the ball.

 

[Gr00vus]

It's simple - they were incredibly overhpyed prior to losing a game, even after the Arizona game. Then they lost a couple and now we're seeing a backlash, which has gone a bit too far in the other direction. They're the same team they've been the whole time, with the same strengths and the same flaws - in my book they are the best NFC team, but they're not the best team in the NFL, just as it's been all season.

 

[Widbil83]

Ah the ole "we don't get no respect" card.

I want the Bears offense to start playing with that card.

 

[flapgreen]

It's simple - they were incredibly overhpyed prior to losing a game, even after the Arizona game. Then they lost a couple and now we're seeing a backlash, which has gone a bit too far in the other direction. They're the same team they've been the whole time, with the same strengths and the same flaws - in my book they are the best NFC team, but they're not the best team in the NFL, just as it's been all season.

Completely agree with this.

 

[GrossmanTheINTMachine]

It's simple - they were incredibly overhpyed prior to losing a game, even after the Arizona game. Then they lost a couple and now we're seeing a backlash, which has gone a bit too far in the other direction. They're the same team they've been the whole time, with the same strengths and the same flaws - in my book they are the best NFC team, but they're not the best team in the NFL, just as it's been all season.

The Bears are who we thought they were?The reason they were incredibly overhyped is because of their fans who did the same thing last year.

 

[Two Deep]

My favorite part is that people are clamoring for Grossman to be benched in favor of Griese, when in fact Griese was in the exact same boat last year with the Bucs, and was going to be benched for Simms if not for his going on IR in week 5.That said though, Chicago needs a new OC.

You must not have seen many of Grossman's interception throws. Half the time there isn't even a Bear WR in the vicinity of the throw. That is not the OC's fault.

It's the offensive coordinator's job to get the receivers to the spots where Rex is throwing the ball.

All joking aside the receivers are part of the problem as well. Old man Moose, Straight line Berrian, Mark Injury Bradley, **** Davis, Not a crew that strikes fear in a defense.

 

[Two Deep]

My favorite part is that people are clamoring for Grossman to be benched in favor of Griese, when in fact Griese was in the exact same boat last year with the Bucs, and was going to be benched for Simms if not for his going on IR in week 5.That said though, Chicago needs a new OC.

If you keep Griese of the sauce he can manage an offense.

 

[Gr00vus]

It's simple - they were incredibly overhpyed prior to losing a game, even after the Arizona game. Then they lost a couple and now we're seeing a backlash, which has gone a bit too far in the other direction. They're the same team they've been the whole time, with the same strengths and the same flaws - in my book they are the best NFC team, but they're not the best team in the NFL, just as it's been all season.

The Bears are who we thought they were?The reason they were incredibly overhyped is because of their fans who did the same thing last year.

It depends on who the "we" is. The fans didn't help, but the media was all over them when they were undefeated, which kicked the hype into ludicrous mode, while most savy people could see the flaws that came to light as the season's gone on. But most savy people can also see that there's plenty right with the Bears as well, moreso than any other team in the NFC in my opinion, and I can understand some peoples' consternation that the flavor of the moment is the Saints while it seems the Bears aren't getting even a mention anymore, just like up until yesterday the Cowboys were the flavor of the moment, as the Bears had been earlier in the year.

 

[flapgreen]

It's simple - they were incredibly overhpyed prior to losing a game, even after the Arizona game. Then they lost a couple and now we're seeing a backlash, which has gone a bit too far in the other direction. They're the same team they've been the whole time, with the same strengths and the same flaws - in my book they are the best NFC team, but they're not the best team in the NFL, just as it's been all season.

The Bears are who we thought they were?The reason they were incredibly overhyped is because of their fans who did the same thing last year.

It depends on who the "we" is. The fans didn't help, but the media was all over them when they were undefeated, which kicked the hype into ludicrous mode, while most savy people could see the flaws that came to light as the season's gone on. But most savy people can also see that there's plenty right with the Bears as well, moreso than any other team in the NFC in my opinion, and I can understand some peoples' consternation that the flavor of the moment is the Saints while it seems the Bears aren't getting even a mention anymore, just like up until yesterday the Cowboys were the flavor of the moment, as the Bears had been earlier in the year.

It's been really annoying me lately but, as I stated in another thread, I think it might just be the best thing for the Bears. We can use it as motivation and to keep our egos in check. However, I think Lovie is already doing a fine job of this.

 

[Wreckincrew]

You're a whiny Bear !

Rex sucks!!

Someone had to do it.

 

[PsychoMan]

You're a whiny Bear home! Rex sucks!!Someone had to do it.

haha Thanks I'm surprised it took this long.Good responses here in general, but I need to attend to something - I'll check back later.

 

[Gr00vus]

It's been really annoying me lately but, as I stated in another thread, I think it might just be the best thing for the Bears. We can use it as motivation and to keep our egos in check. However, I think Lovie is already doing a fine job of this.

<----As a Charger fan I can say that the Bears are the NFC team that scares me the most, should the Chargers somehow make it that far.I was somewhat put off by the shrillness of the Bears fans and the media earlier in the season, so I wasn't too surprised to see things go the other way once they lost a couple. But they're in a great position - they'll probably have home field throughought the NFC playoffs, and they've got a defense that can not only throw shutouts, but can force their own scores. They've got two good running backs and four weeks left to see how they want to handle their QB situation going forward. They can solve their problems by toning Rex down, which should be an easy adjustment, while the weaknesses of their NFC compitition aren't so easily addressed.The only respect that matters is the respect gained by being the ones holding the trophy. All this in season respect nonsense doesn't matter.

 

[PsychoMan]

Bear bashers, please read on and hesitate before throwing out the mindless "PTTS", "You're a whiny Bear homer" & "Rex sucks" comments. Please save those for all the other Rex Grossman and Chicago Bear threads. I completely understand that the Bears may fall in the playoffs this year and am not betting money on them winning the Super Bowl. I'm trying to figure out why the Bears seem to be the team that everyone picks on, and no one picks to win.

Moving on; I think it's quite obvious to us all that, in general, the media, fans & players have a serious lack of respect for the Chicago Bears. Some examples over the past two seasons:

On Brian Urlacher, from Wikipedia: "However, many skeptics and critics have considered Urlacher to be overrated. Urlacher’s injury woes in 2004 earned him the infamous honor as the NFL’s most overrated player in 2004. Even after recovering from his injury, and winning the NFL Defensive Player of the Year Award for the 2005 season, a 2006 Sports Illustrated poll of 361 NFL players named Urlacher to be the second most overrated player in the league right behind Terrell Owens."

2005 Playoffs - The Bears win 10 of their final 12 regular season games (and the Minnesota loss didn't matter). They have homefield advantage locked up. They beat Carolina handedly, by a score of 13-3, earlier in the regular season. But, according to many, they are the underdog in their playoff matchup vs Carolina. Most everyone that I personally talked to before the game & on this message board truely believed that Carolina would win that game. I know that Carolina DID end up winning, but I didn't see why people drew that conclusion going into the game; especially when the Bears beat them earlier that year.

Rex Grossman - Rex wins september NFC player of the month honors. Many of my friends, and people on this board did not give him credit & didn't think he deserved it. Since then, he has looked great some games, and horrible in others. In all honesty, aren't we hearing a LOT more negative crap about Rex than Eli Manning & the lovable, huggable Big Ben Roethescheeseburger, who are more experienced, but are playing just as bad? In a sense, this is Rex's rookie season; many notable quarterbacks have had equally bad rookie seasons, but never received quite this much flak. See Peyton Manning.

The Bears only beat up on bad teams. Think about all the love San Diego (11-2) is getting; 8 of their 11 wins this season have been over teams with losing records. The other three wins come against Cincy (8-5) & Denver (7-6) twice. They were also losing two of these games badly before amassing huge comebacks for the win. I had no idea that this was true before finding it just now, but I've heard this argument against the Bears ten thousand times.

2006:

Before week 4, everything thought Seattle would beat up on the Bears.

After week 6 (Arizona), the cries "They've been exposed" are heard.

Before week 10, the Giants were supposed to beat the Bears.

"The Bears will F*** up their 3 game east coast road trip." They come out of it with 2 wins (nearly 3).

Before this past weekend, when Dallas got pummelled by New Orleans and Carolina fell to a LOSING record, MANY people believed either of these teams would beat Chicago in the playoffs.

I see people jumping on the Saints bandwagon now.

I know we can call agree that anything can happen on any given Sunday. There are no easy wins in the NFL.The Bears started the 2005 season poorly with 1 Win, and 3 Losses.

Since then, they have 20 Wins and 5 Losses.

2005 Week 14: Lost 9-21 @ Pittsburg --- Tough game. Pittsburg was better, outplayed them & went on to win the Super Bowl.

2005 Week 17: Lost 10-34 @ Minnesota --- Bears got beat up, but had homefield advantage wrapped up. Game didn't mean anything to them.

2005 Playoff: Lost 21-29 vs Carolina --- Tough playoff matchup, but Bears stayed in it to the end. Bears DBs fell flat on their face twice giving Steve Smith two uncontested touchdowns. Sort of a Rex Grossman "debut" - overall, he plays well.

2006 Week 8 : Lost 13-31 vs Miami --- Pretty much a complete Bears meltdown. Rex didn't have a good day, but neither did anyone else.

2006 Week 10: Lost 13-17 @ New England --- Tough game again. Brady converts some MAJOR 3rd downs and goes on to win a close one. Some say Rex alone handed this game to the Patriots giving the ball up 4 times.

Has any other team won 20 of their last 25 games? Indy maybe???

I am not saying the Bears are hands down the best team in the NFL.

I am not even sure they will win the NFC given their current QB problems; but if I had to put money on ONE NFC team, it would go on the Bears.

What I'm saying is, I think they are one of the least respected teams in the NFL (relative to their record --- obviously people have much less respect for Oakland). Why is that?

you talk about no respect, try being a saint fan. Give them their respect or they will be forced to take it.

The Saints haven't really demanded it much until this year right?I certainly respect the Saints the MOST in the NFC (2nd to the Bears).

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

go ahead and crown their ###

 

[Bizkiteer]

The early season immortals have looked every bit as mortal as can be in the past few weeks. That is why!

 

[PsychoMan]

they do play in the NFL's weakest division.

Coming into this weekCowboys Opponents Combined Record=64/80Played 2 teams with winning recordsSaints Opponents Combined Record=65/79Also played 2 teams with winning recordsBears Opponents Combined Record=64/80Played 3 teams with winning recordsThat argument is overblown.

Thank you flappy!

 

[PsychoMan]

People are making valid points here. I know they're not hands down the best team in the NFL and I can't find anyone who would disagree with me.

I'm trying to figure out why people are overly skeptical & critical in comparison to other teams.

Think about how quickly people jumped on the Carolina bandwagon ... then the Giants badwagon. Then Dallas. Saints are next --- although I finally agree with them. The Saints are awesome right now.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

People are making valid points here. I know they're not hands down the best team in the NFL and I can't find anyone who would disagree with me.I'm trying to figure out why people are overly skeptical & critical in comparison to other teams.Think about how quickly people jumped on the Carolina bandwagon ... then the Giants badwagon. Then Dallas. Saints are next --- although I finally agree with them. The Saints are awesome right now.

main reason = QB.

 

[Pygmy Marmoset]

Because they've never had a QB. The last guy who was even in the HOF conversation was probably Sid Luckman, right? Without a great QB, no one fears you in the playoffs. Everyone ripped on the Dilfer Ravens, too.

 

[PsychoMan]

People are making valid points here. I know they're not hands down the best team in the NFL and I can't find anyone who would disagree with me.I'm trying to figure out why people are overly skeptical & critical in comparison to other teams.Think about how quickly people jumped on the Carolina bandwagon ... then the Giants badwagon. Then Dallas. Saints are next --- although I finally agree with them. The Saints are awesome right now.

main reason = QB.

Hey, I can't really argue that much ... BUT we were hearing the same thing after week 5, when Grossman was dubbed NFC player of the month? It's not JUST the QB is it?ETA -- GOOD GRIEF HE JUST FUMBLED!

 

[Joe Bryant]

Sorry. Don't see that at all. Bears have tons of love and respect. They're one of the leagues showcase franchises. Grossman has sucked lately. The media has ripped them for that. Just as Bears fans have booed. But overall, tons of respect.

J

 

[iix]

you're quoting wikipedia? please...

ohh, i get a simulpost with Joe. almost famous.

 

[Banger]

they do play in the NFL's weakest division.

Coming into this weekCowboys Opponents Combined Record=64/80Played 2 teams with winning recordsSaints Opponents Combined Record=65/79Also played 2 teams with winning recordsBears Opponents Combined Record=64/80Played 3 teams with winning recordsThat argument is overblown.

Good post but all that means is that the other decent teams in the NFC have also played an easy schedule.

 

[Marc Levin]

I'm not sure what you mean by disrespect. I think my opinion is pretty conventional:Fantastic, championship-caliber defense.Offense is not merely average, but error-prone, which is a huge achilles heel in the playoffs.Match up the Bears DEF with an average, low-mistake offense (see: Patriots offense), and they can easily win a SB. But unless Grossman starts playing a LOT better, I don't see how they survive an aggressive playoff defense.And you are dead wrong when you say that Grossman has been playing better than Roethlisberger in the past 4-8 weeks.

Any opinion that doesn't acknowledge the Bears as the best in the NFC = disrespecting them.At least that is how I have read a week's worth of this stuff coming from the Bears crowd.The above is how fans and sportswriters see the Bears - and offense is king to the television media.Bears are not being disresepcted - they need to play better to get the respect nation-wide that their fans seem to think they deserve. Or did you forget all the gushing while they were undefeated and playing well offensively?

 

[PsychoMan]

Sorry. Don't see that at all. Bears have tons of love and respect. They're one of the leagues showcase franchises. Grossman has sucked lately. The media has ripped them for that. Just as Bears fans have booed. But overall, tons of respect.

J

Seriously? Interesting, I haven't really seen it ...Even the draft ... many knocked them big time on the Hester pick. 5 return tds to date. Rookie Record.

How do you explain Dallas being higher on most (including your own - last week) power rankings? They've now lost 5 games. My point is people jumped on that bandwagon & had them ranked higher after Romo played 4 good games, even though the Bears won 20 of their last 25.

 

[PsychoMan]

I'm not sure what you mean by disrespect. I think my opinion is pretty conventional:Fantastic, championship-caliber defense.Offense is not merely average, but error-prone, which is a huge achilles heel in the playoffs.Match up the Bears DEF with an average, low-mistake offense (see: Patriots offense), and they can easily win a SB. But unless Grossman starts playing a LOT better, I don't see how they survive an aggressive playoff defense.And you are dead wrong when you say that Grossman has been playing better than Roethlisberger in the past 4-8 weeks.

Any opinion that doesn't acknowledge the Bears as the best in the NFC = disrespecting them.At least that is how I have read a week's worth of this stuff coming from the Bears crowd.The above is how fans and sportswriters see the Bears - and offense is king to the television media.Bears are not being disresepcted - they need to play better to get the respect nation-wide that their fans seem to think they deserve. Or did you forget all the gushing while they were undefeated and playing well offensively?

Any gushing after game 5 of this year was well enough deserved. Weren't they on record pace for point differential?Of course the gushing lessens when they come back down to earth.

 

[PsychoMan]

you're quoting wikipedia? please...ohh, i get a simulpost with Joe. almost famous.

hey man wikipedia rocks. besides its factual stuff dude. i just quoted the source.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

I'm not sure what you mean by disrespect. I think my opinion is pretty conventional:Fantastic, championship-caliber defense.Offense is not merely average, but error-prone, which is a huge achilles heel in the playoffs.Match up the Bears DEF with an average, low-mistake offense (see: Patriots offense), and they can easily win a SB. But unless Grossman starts playing a LOT better, I don't see how they survive an aggressive playoff defense.And you are dead wrong when you say that Grossman has been playing better than Roethlisberger in the past 4-8 weeks.

Any opinion that doesn't acknowledge the Bears as the best in the NFC = disrespecting them.At least that is how I have read a week's worth of this stuff coming from the Bears crowd.The above is how fans and sportswriters see the Bears - and offense is king to the television media.Bears are not being disresepcted - they need to play better to get the respect nation-wide that their fans seem to think they deserve. Or did you forget all the gushing while they were undefeated and playing well offensively?

See what happens when I leave for a while - your true colors come out! Offense may be King, but Defense win Championships.Besides, when has the Bears ever had a great QB? I'll take doesn't turn the ball over.

 

[Marc Levin]

I'm not sure what you mean by disrespect. I think my opinion is pretty conventional:Fantastic, championship-caliber defense.Offense is not merely average, but error-prone, which is a huge achilles heel in the playoffs.Match up the Bears DEF with an average, low-mistake offense (see: Patriots offense), and they can easily win a SB. But unless Grossman starts playing a LOT better, I don't see how they survive an aggressive playoff defense.And you are dead wrong when you say that Grossman has been playing better than Roethlisberger in the past 4-8 weeks.

Any opinion that doesn't acknowledge the Bears as the best in the NFC = disrespecting them.At least that is how I have read a week's worth of this stuff coming from the Bears crowd.The above is how fans and sportswriters see the Bears - and offense is king to the television media.Bears are not being disresepcted - they need to play better to get the respect nation-wide that their fans seem to think they deserve. Or did you forget all the gushing while they were undefeated and playing well offensively?

See what happens when I leave for a while - your true colors come out! Offense may be King, but Defense win Championships.Besides, when has the Bears ever had a great QB? I'll take doesn't turn the ball over.

:shuked:not my opinion - the TV media.

 

[Marc Levin]

I'm not sure what you mean by disrespect. I think my opinion is pretty conventional:

Fantastic, championship-caliber defense.

Offense is not merely average, but error-prone, which is a huge achilles heel in the playoffs.

Match up the Bears DEF with an average, low-mistake offense (see: Patriots offense), and they can easily win a SB. But unless Grossman starts playing a LOT better, I don't see how they survive an aggressive playoff defense.

And you are dead wrong when you say that Grossman has been playing better than Roethlisberger in the past 4-8 weeks.

Any opinion that doesn't acknowledge the Bears as the best in the NFC = disrespecting them.At least that is how I have read a week's worth of this stuff coming from the Bears crowd.

The above is how fans and sportswriters see the Bears - and offense is king to the television media.

Bears are not being disresepcted - they need to play better to get the respect nation-wide that their fans seem to think they deserve.

Or did you forget all the gushing while they were undefeated and playing well offensively?

Any gushing after game 5 of this year was well enough deserved. Weren't they on record pace for point differential?Of course the gushing lessens when they come back down to earth.

they are not being disrespected is my point - they are being appropriately respected in light of their flaws.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

I'm not sure what you mean by disrespect. I think my opinion is pretty conventional:Fantastic, championship-caliber defense.Offense is not merely average, but error-prone, which is a huge achilles heel in the playoffs.Match up the Bears DEF with an average, low-mistake offense (see: Patriots offense), and they can easily win a SB. But unless Grossman starts playing a LOT better, I don't see how they survive an aggressive playoff defense.And you are dead wrong when you say that Grossman had been playing better than Roethlisberger in the past 4-8 weeks.

Any opinion that doesn't acknowledge the Bears as the best in the NFC = disrespecting them.At least that is how I have read a week's worth of this stuff coming from the Bears crowd.The above is how fans and sportswriters see the Bears - and offense is king to the television media.Bears are not being disresepcted - they need to play better to get the respect nation-wide that their fans seem to think they deserve. Or did you forget all the gushing while they were undefeated and playing well offensively?

See what happens when I leave for a while - your true colors come out! Offense may be King, but Defense win Championships.Besides, when has the Bears ever had a great QB? I'll take doesn't turn the ball over.

:shuked:not my opinion - the TV media.

Like how they were playing Red Hot Chili Peppers when they had the camera on Rex - Give it away, give it away, give it away now............. no respect.

 

[JBTV]

People are making valid points here. I know they're not hands down the best team in the NFL and I can't find anyone who would disagree with me.I'm trying to figure out why people are overly skeptical & critical in comparison to other teams.Think about how quickly people jumped on the Carolina bandwagon ... then the Giants badwagon. Then Dallas. Saints are next --- although I finally agree with them. The Saints are awesome right now.

Welcome to the NFL, where a team is only as good as it's last game. Early in the season, this Bears team was being compared to the Super Bowl Shuffle team. A month ago, Indy was going to go undefeated for the season and were a lock for the title...now they're all bums that aren't going to get out of the first round. That's life.