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The Mid Season LJ Idea (1 Viewer)

StuntMonkee

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Many people, FGB included, thought that waiting 3-5 weeks on LJ and a projected rough start would allow you to trade for him and get the gravy of the season with out having to deal with the lumpy potatoes. . . .

Is this still a good idea. . .Not sure anyone thought that it would be this lumpy for the first 3 games, but a sharky/guts move would be to get him at an all time low if you think he will bounce back.

The same thing could be said for LT and S Jax too. . . .but will they bounce back?

 
I'm not sold at all. Even with an easier second half schedule, his O-line and team still suck. He may step it up, but I don't see him becoming the monster that everyone thinks he'll become.

 
Offered Willie Parker straight up - waiting to see if the owner bites.

I don't think a lot of owners are willing to part with LJ that easily. If need be I'll throw in Housh to see if I can get the deal done.

 
Isn't this rough start what everyone predicted? If this is what you planned on, then why be gunshy now? We knew it was going to be ugly.

 
Owners that have LJ are already waiting for those easier games later in the season. Why on Earth would that owner play LJ through these tough games, only to trade him away when the easy games finally come.

People must think other people are really stupid

 
mrspree15 said:
Isn't this rough start what everyone predicted? If this is what you planned on, then why be gunshy now? We knew it was going to be ugly.
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Because when push has come to shove, we're now not so sure this isn't a sign of the season to come. This has been a LOT uglier than anyone would have feared. The Chiefs have looked absolutely terrible. Herm Edwards doesn't want to score more than 10 or so points a game. The defense and Bowe have looked good. Other than that it's not pretty in KC.
 
Macdaddy_2004 said:
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Macdaddy_2004 said:
Offered Willie Parker straight up - waiting to see if the owner bites.I don't think a lot of owners are willing to part with LJ that easily. If need be I'll throw in Housh to see if I can get the deal done.
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wow, seriously? FWP and Housh for LJ? methinks you'd be getting hosed
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Hopefully the other owner feels that way as well
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You think LJ down the stretch is worth both a top 10 RB and a top 10 WR? I'd do that deal in a second if I had LJ.
 
Macdaddy_2004 said:
Anonymous Internet User said:
Macdaddy_2004 said:
Offered Willie Parker straight up - waiting to see if the owner bites.I don't think a lot of owners are willing to part with LJ that easily. If need be I'll throw in Housh to see if I can get the deal done.
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wow, seriously? FWP and Housh for LJ? methinks you'd be getting hosed
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Hopefully the other owner feels that way as well
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I'd love to be the other owner. I wouldn't trade Parker for LJ straight up, leave alone adding Housh to the trade. I was considering offering Lamont Jordan and Kevin Curtis for LJ.
 
twistd said:
Macdaddy_2004 said:
Anonymous Internet User said:
Macdaddy_2004 said:
Offered Willie Parker straight up - waiting to see if the owner bites.I don't think a lot of owners are willing to part with LJ that easily. If need be I'll throw in Housh to see if I can get the deal done.
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wow, seriously? FWP and Housh for LJ? methinks you'd be getting hosed
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Hopefully the other owner feels that way as well
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I'd love to be the other owner. I wouldn't trade Parker for LJ straight up, leave alone adding Housh to the trade. I was considering offering Lamont Jordan and Kevin Curtis for LJ.
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No doubt. I own Fast Willie and there is no way I'm giving LJ's owner Parker and a top WR. Forget it.
 
Macdaddy_2004 said:
Anonymous Internet User said:
Macdaddy_2004 said:
Offered Willie Parker straight up - waiting to see if the owner bites.I don't think a lot of owners are willing to part with LJ that easily. If need be I'll throw in Housh to see if I can get the deal done.
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wow, seriously? FWP and Housh for LJ? methinks you'd be getting hosed
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Hopefully the other owner feels that way as well
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:jawdrop: WOW! I own both FWP and Housh and wouldnt give FWP straight up, and would probably not give Housh straight up for him. FWP is getting some sick yardage but just hasnt got in the end zone enough.....YET! But it will come with his carries and yardage and LJ wont even touch his totals by the end of the season (barring injury for both of course). Housh will be the MAN in Cincy by seasons end. If you watch enough of Carson( who I also own) you will see how much he looks for him- it seems more than CJ. He is rapidly doing to CJ what Wayne is doing to Marvin; becoming 1a and 1b..... I think you are living off the "LJ mystic" and not realizing that that team is derailing fast and no amount of "remembering when" is gonna save him. You will get hosed with that trade. :2cents:
 
mrspree15 said:
Isn't this rough start what everyone predicted? If this is what you planned on, then why be gunshy now? We knew it was going to be ugly.
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What a dumb post. If anyone thought he was going to stink the joint up this bad why was he being drafted at the third or fourth spot. I was offered LJ for AP and I don't even think I would do it. 24 rushes for 42.
 
JAMMIN said:
mrspree15 said:
Isn't this rough start what everyone predicted? If this is what you planned on, then why be gunshy now? We knew it was going to be ugly.
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What a dumb post. If anyone thought he was going to stink the joint up this bad why was he being drafted at the third or fourth spot. I was offered LJ for AP and I don't even think I would do it. 24 rushes for 42.
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Thanks, if you read the first post, that is what I was referring to. Why would someone trade him if he was doing ok versus tough defenses. The only way you can buy low on LJ is if he stinks it up. Guess what, he's stinking it up, so buy low like you wanted to.
 
I just picked up LJ for Edge (incl. Fitz for JJurvicius). I'm hoping the theory still pans out, obviously. I think it will. The KC offense has shown signs of getting better in Tony Gonzalez and DBowe getting production going.

 
Gotta love LJ threads @ FBG. :lmao:

Larry Johnson: All Doom, All Gloom, All Day since 2005.

 
Thing about LJ is it looks like he doesn't really want it any more. He's not running angry with something to prove. More importantly he's not a RB that can create when hit behind the LOS every single play. I'm sure once he gets to worse defenses things will improve but I'm no longer sure I'll trade a nice mid 1st round RB1 plus another quality starter for him.

 
just dealt for him. not expecting a ton over the next couple weeks but should be ok after that. got my fingers crossed.

 
I'm sorry, but no one can run against Minnesota. LJ did well in his other starts considering his holdout situation and the teams that he faced. His value can only get higher going forward IMO. Right now is the perfect time for a buy low opportunity. It doesn't get any better than this.

Maybe something like Marion Barber for LJ ? Would any LJ owner go for that?

 
kensat30 said:
I'm sorry, but no one can run against Minnesota. LJ did well in his other starts considering his holdout situation and the teams that he faced. His value can only get higher going forward IMO. Right now is the perfect time for a buy low opportunity. It doesn't get any better than this.Maybe something like Marion Barber for LJ ? Would any LJ owner go for that?
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Honestly, that's one guy that I'm very high on in general. I don't think I could do it as an LJ owner, but then Marion and Adrian Peterson would sound great as my two keepers for my 2-keeper league next year...In a redraft, I wouldn't but it is close. The sky is the limit for Barber this year. As a Julius Jones owner, he's going to be largely out of the picture sooner than later, IMO.
 
I have probed the guy who drafted LJ with the 4th pick. He is in last place and sinking fast. Have not heard back from him but he is a Charger fan and I know he is going to ask for Gates. If so I say no.

 
coachjim said:
I have probed the guy who drafted LJ with the 4th pick. He is in last place and sinking fast. Have not heard back from him but he is a Charger fan and I know he is going to ask for Gates. If so I say no.
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Wow. I'd trade Gates for LJ in a freakin HEARTbeat.
 
I may be able to get LJ and Leinart for Palmer and D. Ward. I'm hesitating because I'm strong at RB (Parker, THenry, SJax, KJones) and have no back-up QB. With TD passes at only 4, got to consider it. LJ owner is getting desperate.

 
NatronIsMean said:
coachjim said:
I have probed the guy who drafted LJ with the 4th pick. He is in last place and sinking fast. Have not heard back from him but he is a Charger fan and I know he is going to ask for Gates. If so I say no.
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Wow. I'd trade Gates for LJ in a freakin HEARTbeat.
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I am in 1st place and this is a high dollar total points league. We must start 3 running backs. I have FWP, Portis, Foster, KJ and Rhodes. Our TE's and receivers receive 1 point per catch as well as 1 point per 10 yards. Right now Gates is the 13 highest scoring player in the league. No way I trade Gates he is money when you must start a TE.
 
In my league (redraft), an LJ for Portis trade was accepted (currently under review). It appears that it is going to be vetoed. Any thoughts?

 
bergs101 said:
In my league (redraft), an LJ for Portis trade was accepted (currently under review). It appears that it is going to be vetoed. Any thoughts?
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Why in the world would it be vetoed. I must assume the guy giving up Portis is concerned about his health and Gibb's sanity and he is probably a big LJ fan.
 
coachjim said:
bergs101 said:
In my league (redraft), an LJ for Portis trade was accepted (currently under review). It appears that it is going to be vetoed. Any thoughts?
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Why in the world would it be vetoed. I must assume the guy giving up Portis is concerned about his health and Gibb's sanity and he is probably a big LJ fan.
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That trade should go through - no question.That being said, I won't be trading LJ. Hoping I see the forest through the trees:1) Early schedule - limited start against Houston, which isn't the cake game it used to be. Then against the absolute 2 best run defenses in the league - Chicago and especially Minnesota. Schedule gets much easier.2) D. Bowe gives this team another dimension. When Kennison comes back, they'll have Bowe, Kennison, Gonzalez. Best they've have in years. Bowe looks like a mini-TO, very B. Marshall like. Huard looked a lot better Sunday.3) KC won Sunday - very important. They'll lose Sunday at SD, but after that they have a string of games which could keep them near .500 most of the year. They'll stick with the plan.
 
StuntMonkee said:
Many people, FGB included, thought that waiting 3-5 weeks on LJ and a projected rough start would allow you to trade for him and get the gravy of the season with out having to deal with the lumpy potatoes. . . .Is this still a good idea. . .Not sure anyone thought that it would be this lumpy for the first 3 games, but a sharky/guts move would be to get him at an all time low if you think he will bounce back.The same thing could be said for LT and S Jax too. . . .but will they bounce back?
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I offered Gore for LT today and the owner sounded interested.I'm sure I know what I want his response to be.Weird, weird season.
 
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bergs101 said:
In my league (redraft), an LJ for Portis trade was accepted (currently under review). It appears that it is going to be vetoed. Any thoughts?
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My thought is that your league is ######ed for vetoing a perfectly good trade.
 
bergs101 said:
In my league (redraft), an LJ for Portis trade was accepted (currently under review). It appears that it is going to be vetoed. Any thoughts?
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My thought is that your league is ######ed for vetoing a perfectly good trade.
 
bergs101 said:
In my league (redraft), an LJ for Portis trade was accepted (currently under review). It appears that it is going to be vetoed. Any thoughts?
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Leagues like this make me... :wall: No reason to veto whatsoever.
 
Judge Smails said:
coachjim said:
bergs101 said:
In my league (redraft), an LJ for Portis trade was accepted (currently under review). It appears that it is going to be vetoed. Any thoughts?
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Why in the world would it be vetoed. I must assume the guy giving up Portis is concerned about his health and Gibb's sanity and he is probably a big LJ fan.
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That trade should go through - no question.That being said, I won't be trading LJ. Hoping I see the forest through the trees:1) Early schedule - limited start against Houston, which isn't the cake game it used to be. Then against the absolute 2 best run defenses in the league - Chicago and especially Minnesota. Schedule gets much easier.2) D. Bowe gives this team another dimension. When Kennison comes back, they'll have Bowe, Kennison, Gonzalez. Best they've have in years. Bowe looks like a mini-TO, very B. Marshall like. Huard looked a lot better Sunday.3) KC won Sunday - very important. They'll lose Sunday at SD, but after that they have a string of games which could keep them near .500 most of the year. They'll stick with the plan.
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I'd add to that the fact that LJ is gaining his missed conditioning in this 1st quarter of the season. I expect (and hope for) a leaner, meaner LJ in the next few weeks. He's working hard against brick wall defenses and getting stuffed while training to get his legs back. Once he has his breakout game and is conditioned, a switch is going to go off. I could be wrong, but from having LJ for 3 years now, this is how he seems to work at times.
 
the hairy scotsman said:
StuntMonkee said:
Many people, FGB included, thought that waiting 3-5 weeks on LJ and a projected rough start would allow you to trade for him and get the gravy of the season with out having to deal with the lumpy potatoes. . . .

Is this still a good idea. . .Not sure anyone thought that it would be this lumpy for the first 3 games, but a sharky/guts move would be to get him at an all time low if you think he will bounce back.

The same thing could be said for LT and S Jax too. . . .but will they bounce back?
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I offered Gore for LT today and the owner sounded interested.I'm sure I know what I want his response to be.

Weird, weird season.
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Thus far the strangest I have ever seen through 3 weeks.
 
Macdaddy_2004 said:
Offered Willie Parker straight up - waiting to see if the owner bites.I don't think a lot of owners are willing to part with LJ that easily. If need be I'll throw in Housh to see if I can get the deal done.
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I have Parker, Travis Henry, Ahman Green and Kevin Jones. There is no freakin' way I offer Parker straight up. Frankly, I can't even get myself to offer Henry. I might, but I just don't see it yet. I think that skelet0r starts pounding the ball.
 
Weapon of Mass Instruction said:
Macdaddy_2004 said:
Offered Willie Parker straight up - waiting to see if the owner bites.

I don't think a lot of owners are willing to part with LJ that easily. If need be I'll throw in Housh to see if I can get the deal done.
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I have Parker, Travis Henry, Ahman Green and Kevin Jones. There is no freakin' way I offer Parker straight up. Frankly, I can't even get myself to offer Henry. I might, but I just don't see it yet. I think that skelet0r starts pounding the ball.
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Exactly. People paying for last year's production are going to be very disappointed.
 
I am getting what I expected from LJ for now & look forward to reaping rewards later in the season. No different than my thinking on day 1.

 
I think you go in with a plan, and stick to it. Larry isn't injured. He was very productive last season behind a makeshift line. He had tough opponents and those that noticed this scheduling issue made the plan to go after him a bit later on after his numbers suffered. Now that they've suffered, people want to abandon the plan.

He's the classic buy-low candidate right now. His schedule improves, and he will too....he's too good not to. The trick is not paying more than the lowered value of him. Don't pay his preseason value. Pay the reduced rate or walk.

 
Macdaddy_2004 said:
Offered Willie Parker straight up - waiting to see if the owner bites.I don't think a lot of owners are willing to part with LJ that easily. If need be I'll throw in Housh to see if I can get the deal done.
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