The Mike Martz Effect (1 Viewer)

[NoGum]

What Martz said about VD when he went to SF

In the wake of Mike Martz's arrival in the Bay Area—where he’ll try to revive the San Francisco 49ers' offense—the biggest question is the obvious one:

Who will be his quarterback?

Okay, I guess we’ll have to wait on that decision until Alex Smith is healthy and Martz can see Smith and Shaun Hill throw the ball in person.

Meanwhile, the second most important question is this:

What will Martz do with the highly skilled but enigmatic Vernon Davis?

Martz is notorious for omitting tight ends from his game plans, so his hire naturally raised concerns about Davis, whom the 49ers were giddy to acquire with the sixth overall selection in the 2006 draft. But before we get too worried, there is this to consider: Martz has never worked with so talented a tight end as Davis, a 6’3”, 253-pound player with 4.4-second speed.

Martz has said the 49ers are more talented than the Detroit Lions were when he arrived there in 2006, and Davis certainly is one of the Niners' top offensive weapons.

In last season’s discombobulated offense, Davis caught 52 passes for 509 yards and four touchdowns. He should be good for twice that; it all depends on how Martz plans to use him and whether or not Davis can pick up the coach's complicated game plan.

Martz knows one of his biggest challenges will be creating specific packages for Davis so he can get the ball to the tight end.

"In this system, you have so much flexibility within the numbers that you can be creative with a guy like him," Martz told the Sacramento Bee late last month, indicating that the coach does indeed have a plan—at least the beginnings of one—for Davis.

Martz has said he could envision lining up the tight end in the slot and in the backfield. Still it's clear that the coach understands Davis will need time to learn the offense.

Davis had enough trouble finding his way in offenses directed by Norv Turner and Jim Hostler, so it could take even longer to become comfortable with Martz's complex scheme.

This tight end is a fantastic athlete, but he has been criticized for dropping passes, running bad routes, and earning frequent calls for illegal procedure.

It's obvious that he will need to be more disciplined if he wants to earn Martz’s trust. And Davis will also have to lose the attitude—by paying more attention to the details and less to what others are saying about him.

But if he can grasp the offense, Martz seems interested in utilizing Davis' immense raw talent.

"You've got to be careful not to put too much on him," Martz said, "but it's a great opportunity to use him in different venues, so to speak. The system allows that kind of flexibility."

So what does the future hold for Vernon Davis under Martz?

It looks like the powerful player will be incorporated into a dynamic system, giving the 49ers a real chance at a promising season.

 

[whitem0nkey]

Does he hate tight ends as receivers or does his system simply necessitate the extra blocker to buy the QB's enough time in the pocket?So is Olsen a good blocker? I'm asking because I own him, and I honestly know nothing about his blocking ability.

he is a real bad blocker. his lack of blocking skill may force martz to use him more as a WR. also Martz says he's never had a TE like Olsen. He called him "a mismatch" for other teams

And as has been said a few times about that quote...he had Vernon Davis.VD>>>>>>>Greg OlsenThe TE too.

Martz did not forget that he coached Davis, Martz in that quote is saying that Olsen is better than Davis.Im not saying this, martz is and respectfully speaking he knows more about football than you and I. unless you also coached in the NFL.....

 

[sho nuff]

Does he hate tight ends as receivers or does his system simply necessitate the extra blocker to buy the QB's enough time in the pocket?So is Olsen a good blocker? I'm asking because I own him, and I honestly know nothing about his blocking ability.

he is a real bad blocker. his lack of blocking skill may force martz to use him more as a WR. also Martz says he's never had a TE like Olsen. He called him "a mismatch" for other teams

And as has been said a few times about that quote...he had Vernon Davis.VD>>>>>>>Greg OlsenThe TE too.

Martz did not forget that he coached Davis, Martz in that quote is saying that Olsen is better than Davis.Im not saying this, martz is and respectfully speaking he knows more about football than you and I. unless you also coached in the NFL.....

Of course he is saying it...he is going to that team.But Im not sure anyone who has watched football or analyzes it for a living at this point would agree with him outside of the football guys in Chicago.And even they, not publicly, would love to trade Olsen for Davis any day of the week IMO.

 

[whitem0nkey]

Does he hate tight ends as receivers or does his system simply necessitate the extra blocker to buy the QB's enough time in the pocket?So is Olsen a good blocker? I'm asking because I own him, and I honestly know nothing about his blocking ability.

he is a real bad blocker. his lack of blocking skill may force martz to use him more as a WR. also Martz says he's never had a TE like Olsen. He called him "a mismatch" for other teams

And as has been said a few times about that quote...he had Vernon Davis.VD>>>>>>>Greg OlsenThe TE too.

Martz did not forget that he coached Davis, Martz in that quote is saying that Olsen is better than Davis.Im not saying this, martz is and respectfully speaking he knows more about football than you and I. unless you also coached in the NFL.....

Of course he is saying it...he is going to that team.But Im not sure anyone who has watched football or analyzes it for a living at this point would agree with him outside of the football guys in Chicago.And even they, not publicly, would love to trade Olsen for Davis any day of the week IMO.

I agree with in that I think that davis is better than Olsen, but I cant say that Martz is lying about his opinion, that is highly speculatory. for now we can only go by what Martz says. sure you can disagree but you cant say that Martz is not believing what he is saying.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Mike Martz has interviewed for the OC job, and according to the Chicago Tribune is the favorite.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/footb...0,6315415.story

Wherever Martz has gone, fantasy values have changed. Dramatically.

My expectation:

Cutler

WR1 (Hester?)

WR2 (Aromashodu?)

WR3 (Bennett?)

WR4 (Knox?) slight

Forte

Olsen

If Martz comes to town the WR1 through WR4 spots could be shuffled. Some guys "get" his system and thrive, some don't and languish. One thing is sure -- Cutler's value takes a big jump while Forte and especially Olsen suffer. Guaranteed.

Matt Forte has 120 recs thru his first two NFL seasons... just imagine what Martz' system is going to do to this guys numbers!

we're looking at the next RB to catch upwards of 80-90 balls

in PPR Forte will be golden!

He didnt do anything for Frank Gore's reception total

To that point, there's probably never going to be much change between a Norv Turner offense and a Mike Martz offense when it comes to RB receptions. Both utilize their RBs heavily in this area.Obviously Norv will run the ball a lot more as well. A Mike Martz offense isn't killer for a RB, but Lovie is going to have to step up and make sure that they don't get completely away from the running game, regardless of what Martz wants to do. If he keeps Martz in check, Forte will be fine in that department. If he lets Martz completely take over, then get used to 10 carry games.

 

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I agree with in that I think that davis is better than Olsen, but I cant say that Martz is lying about his opinion, that is highly speculatory.

for now we can only go by what Martz says. sure you can disagree but you cant say that Martz is not believing what he is saying.

why not?i think Martz knows he would trade Olsen for Davis in a heartbeat. Of course he is going to praise his own player, whether he believes it or not.

 

[whitem0nkey]

I agree with in that I think that davis is better than Olsen, but I cant say that Martz is lying about his opinion, that is highly speculatory.

for now we can only go by what Martz says. sure you can disagree but you cant say that Martz is not believing what he is saying.

why not?i think Martz knows he would trade Olsen for Davis in a heartbeat. Of course he is going to praise his own player, whether he believes it or not.

Martz - says he's never had a TE like Olsen. He called him "a mismatch" for other teamsFBGer -wthat that means is that Martz thinks that Davis is better than Olsen. and that Olsen will not be used well.

you dont see any problem???

its one thing to think that Olsen will not be used properly because of past experience in DET, SF, and STL - that would be fair.

but to think that Olsen will not be used properly because Martz said " he's never had a TE like Olsen. He called him "a mismatch" for other teams " is wrong.

another thing about defending his guys. he just said that Olsen is a weapon he has never had, that puts him in a corner if he fails to get production out of Olsen. now he looks like a failure, he had the best TE ever and still could not get any production.

also Martz does not have any authority to trade.

 

[sho nuff]

I agree with in that I think that davis is better than Olsen, but I cant say that Martz is lying about his opinion, that is highly speculatory.

for now we can only go by what Martz says. sure you can disagree but you cant say that Martz is not believing what he is saying.

why not?i think Martz knows he would trade Olsen for Davis in a heartbeat. Of course he is going to praise his own player, whether he believes it or not.

Martz - says he's never had a TE like Olsen. He called him "a mismatch" for other teamsFBGer -wthat that means is that Martz thinks that Davis is better than Olsen. and that Olsen will not be used well.

you dont see any problem???

its one thing to think that Olsen will not be used properly because of past experience in DET, SF, and STL - that would be fair.

but to think that Olsen will not be used properly because Martz said " he's never had a TE like Olsen. He called him "a mismatch" for other teams " is wrong.

another thing about defending his guys. he just said that Olsen is a weapon he has never had, that puts him in a corner if he fails to get production out of Olsen. now he looks like a failure, he had the best TE ever and still could not get any production.

also Martz does not have any authority to trade.

Are you just trying to be argumentative?Its simple...Martz is praising his current player. I don't think it matters if he believes it all or not...I think he is praising his current guy. And I don't think he really cares if he looks like a failure if he can't do something with Olsen.

And nobody claimed he has the authority to trade...the point is...ife he did and he could...he would likely trade Olsen for Davis quickly as Davis is the better player.

We all know what Martz said...some of us think we know why he said it.

 

[FavreCo]

What about the weather in Chicago? Except for the year in SF, Martz has been in a controlled climate.

I'll one up ya. Except for a few years with one day HOFers in Warner, Faulk, Bruce and Hotl, Martz has been a turd everywhere. Lots of yards and wasted talents.Detroit: MacDonald & Furrey were who he thought were the talented WRs. Not Calvin Johnson. He even brought in that Az Hakim turd for a round in Detroit. He has no ability to judge talent.SF: My gawd, Jimmy Raye got huge numbers out of Vernon Davis yet this schmuck had no clue. Jimmy Ray. Frank Gore, wasted. Pretty sad when Jimmy Ray can outperform you as an OC.Good thing is that after the next stint (chicago or wherever) he will be toast. Most of the league has wisened up to his ability to get a QB killed.

Garbage

You even still around here?

 

[Sinn Fein]

I guess I understand the blind euphoria coming from Bears' fans, any change could be a positive, but you do realize that Martz is living off the memory of a great 1999 team?If you actually look at his offenses since the 1999 Rams team - the overall numbers really are not that good.Since 1999:His teams have averaged 4153 yards passing - with an average league rank of 5 - clearly racks up a lot of yards in the air.- 25 passing TDs - average rank of 9.9- 23 INTs - average rank of 29th- 49 sacks - average rank of 26th- 16 fumbles - average rank of 25thI think this is a waiting to happen - for the Bears, for Cutler, and for Lovie Smith.I think if you have Cutler - you should trade him before training camps start - this will be the highest value of his career imo