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The "new" Dallas Cowboys offense (1 Viewer)

Urinal Mint

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After watching the Dallas/Indianapolis game last night I came away noticing a few things on the offensive side of the ball for Dallas. Now, a large disclaimer here... I am not familiar with Wade Phillips's preseaon philosophies, so I'm not sure how much of his "hand" he showed us last night. I'm basing this on limited observation after an excrutiatingly long day at a water park with screaming kids. Now, that aside, here is what I did see:

- The deep out Norv Turner & Ernie Zampese brought to Dallas in the early 90s that Aikman and Irvin used to systematically destroy opposing secondaries. 12-15 yard deep out cuts for tight ends and wide receivers where the ball is thrown before the WR even makes his cut. Aikman was a surgeon to the sidelines and the routes kept the receivers on their feet and away from safeties flying at their heads. That means something. From what I saw last night in the first two (ridiculously long and grinding) drives that Romo QB'd, at least 4 of these timing plays were ran to the sidelines. Fasano and Witten were the early beneficiaries. It was late so I didn't really pay attention to the other guys on the receiving end. However, I think you can prepare for more elements of that successful timing-based offense to be slipstreamed into the playbook from the Parcells era, with a gradual transition occurring.

- Skinny post and Skinny out routes for the tight end. Witten ran one of these (skinny out) paired with Owens from the slot to give the FS a decision of which one he would cover. Unfortunately Romo forced a ball to Owens when I felt Witten was more open, but what I like seeing here is sending your two best receiving threats down the field. It definitely reminds of the vertical offense Turner installed in Dallas in the 90s. Look for more of these routes during the preseason, and for Romo to tune his decision-making skills in those situations.

- Offset I running formations. Typically the fullback (a very important cog in the Turner I-form based offense) would line up weakside for these plays, and Jones would have one cut and go. I think it will be a more successful setup for Jones (not necessarily Barber) since it will allow him some creativity not seen with Parcells lording over him. I felt Jones gained acceptable yardages last night and that he will benefit greatly from this strategy if the fullback (Hoyte) can be even half the lead blocker that Darryl Johnston was. I didn't notice hesitation in Jones choosing a gap and hitting it, and the images of him running face-first into a lineman's butt because he was told to are seemingly gone.

OK, so that's what I saw last night. Like I said, it was late, so I'm sure I missed a few nuances here and there. However, I will say that I like what I see so far from the new timing-based offense in Dallas. :rant: :popcorn:

 
Did they run much double tight with Witten and Fasano?
I'll be honest, I'll have to go back and look at the game film. I don't think they favor double TE sets as much as a team like Indy does, but I'm sure you will see them occasionally since both Witten and Fasano are competent route runners and pass catchers.
 
Although it was a very limited set of plays to go on, I very much liked the energy Julius Jones ran with. He was quick through the hole, making fast decisions. There was no going down on first contact or tripping over someone else's foot, which is what we saw a lot of last year. Parcells really limited Jones' ability last year by forcing him to be overly patient and wait for holes that did not often materialize. The new system seems to encourage JJ to pick a hole more quickly, make a fast decision, and explode up the field, which is more condusive to his natural running style.

The O-Line performance was solid in pass protection, but less effective in run blocking, and I think this could again be an issue. Romo was very good last night; quick reads and accurate throws. He got into trouble last year when he held the ball too long; that's were the interceptions came. Let's hope he stays disciplined and just throws it out of bounds when there is nothing there.

 
Although it was a very limited set of plays to go on, I very much liked the energy Julius Jones ran with. He was quick through the hole, making fast decisions. There was no going down on first contact or tripping over someone else's foot, which is what we saw a lot of last year. Parcells really limited Jones' ability last year by forcing him to be overly patient and wait for holes that did not often materialize. The new system seems to encourage JJ to pick a hole more quickly, make a fast decision, and explode up the field, which is more condusive to his natural running style.The O-Line performance was solid in pass protection, but less effective in run blocking, and I think this could again be an issue. Romo was very good last night; quick reads and accurate throws. He got into trouble last year when he held the ball too long; that's were the interceptions came. Let's hope he stays disciplined and just throws it out of bounds when there is nothing there.
I have to mention that I was particularly pleased (even though the net result was a big yardage loss) on the play where he simply went to the fetal position when all of his receiving options went to hell in a handbasket. They lucked out drawing a roughing the passer call on that play, but I like that he didn't try to gunsling the ball into a spot it didn't belong.
 
Davis was a mauler last night. They boys will now be able to run right now as well as left. Unlike last year with Rivera.

Julius looked faster to me. Not a fan of Barber at all, waaay over hyped here.

 
Davis is a beast in run blocking. He had at least 3 pancakes last night. I'm not sure how well Dallas' O-line will pass block, but they are going to be a big, big load in the running game. Adams, Gurode, and Davis are all among the biggest and strongest in the league at their respective positions. 4th quarters are going to be hell for defenses to if Dallas has a lead.

 
Davis is a beast in run blocking. He had at least 3 pancakes last night. I'm not sure how well Dallas' O-line will pass block, but they are going to be a big, big load in the running game. Adams, Gurode, and Davis are all among the biggest and strongest in the league at their respective positions. 4th quarters are going to be hell for defenses to if Dallas has a lead.
:wall: I really liked what I saw from Davis. He moved really well getting out on the LB'ers. Funny from what was said earlier on this board you would have thought Davis really sucked and was one of the worst players in the league.
 
Davis was a mauler last night. They boys will now be able to run right now as well as left. Unlike last year with Rivera.Julius looked faster to me. Not a fan of Barber at all, waaay over hyped here.
:wall: Although its only the preseason Julius looked like the much better RB. Im certain he will get a majority of the carries during the season. Barber was very indecisive.
 
Davis was a mauler last night. They boys will now be able to run right now as well as left. Unlike last year with Rivera.Julius looked faster to me. Not a fan of Barber at all, waaay over hyped here.
Don't understand this posting?Are you saying MBIII is not better than JJ? MBIII led the entire NFC in TD's last year with 16. I'll admit it, JJ does look faster, but his 6 carry 22 yard performance (3.7 YPC) did not impress me. His longest run was for 7 yards? Meanwhile, MBIII ran 12 times for 48 yards and his longest gain was 16 yards. He also caught three passes out of the backfield. To me, MBIII is a MUCH better player than JJ.
 
Davis was a mauler last night. They boys will now be able to run right now as well as left. Unlike last year with Rivera.Julius looked faster to me. Not a fan of Barber at all, waaay over hyped here.
I have been seeing this MBIII hype all over, the few decent runs JJ had were through gaping holes and once contact was made he went down. Barber runs way harder and behind the starting line will be a much better RB for the cowboys.Barber did dance a bit too much last night but I don't believe that will be the norm.
 
Davis was a mauler last night. They boys will now be able to run right now as well as left. Unlike last year with Rivera.

Julius looked faster to me. Not a fan of Barber at all, waaay over hyped here.
I have been seeing this MBIII hype all over, the few decent runs JJ had were through gaping holes and once contact was made he went down. Barber runs way harder and behind the starting line will be a much better RB for the cowboys.Barber did dance a bit too much last night but I don't believe that will be the norm.
This is a MAJOR weakness for JJ. MBIII does not go down as easy, and is harder to tackle.
 
Urinal Mint said:
After watching the Dallas/Indianapolis game last night I came away noticing a few things on the offensive side of the ball for Dallas. Now, a large disclaimer here... I am not familiar with Wade Phillips's preseaon philosophies, so I'm not sure how much of his "hand" he showed us last night. I'm basing this on limited observation after an excrutiatingly long day at a water park with screaming kids. Now, that aside, here is what I did see:- The deep out Norv Turner & Ernie Zampese brought to Dallas in the early 90s that Aikman and Irvin used to systematically destroy opposing secondaries. 12-15 yard deep out cuts for tight ends and wide receivers where the ball is thrown before the WR even makes his cut. Aikman was a surgeon to the sidelines and the routes kept the receivers on their feet and away from safeties flying at their heads. That means something. From what I saw last night in the first two (ridiculously long and grinding) drives that Romo QB'd, at least 4 of these timing plays were ran to the sidelines. Fasano and Witten were the early beneficiaries. It was late so I didn't really pay attention to the other guys on the receiving end. However, I think you can prepare for more elements of that successful timing-based offense to be slipstreamed into the playbook from the Parcells era, with a gradual transition occurring.- Skinny post and Skinny out routes for the tight end. Witten ran one of these (skinny out) paired with Owens from the slot to give the FS a decision of which one he would cover. Unfortunately Romo forced a ball to Owens when I felt Witten was more open, but what I like seeing here is sending your two best receiving threats down the field. It definitely reminds of the vertical offense Turner installed in Dallas in the 90s. Look for more of these routes during the preseason, and for Romo to tune his decision-making skills in those situations.- Offset I running formations. Typically the fullback (a very important cog in the Turner I-form based offense) would line up weakside for these plays, and Jones would have one cut and go. I think it will be a more successful setup for Jones (not necessarily Barber) since it will allow him some creativity not seen with Parcells lording over him. I felt Jones gained acceptable yardages last night and that he will benefit greatly from this strategy if the fullback (Hoyte) can be even half the lead blocker that Darryl Johnston was. I didn't notice hesitation in Jones choosing a gap and hitting it, and the images of him running face-first into a lineman's butt because he was told to are seemingly gone.OK, so that's what I saw last night. Like I said, it was late, so I'm sure I missed a few nuances here and there. However, I will say that I like what I see so far from the new timing-based offense in Dallas. :shock: :sadbanana:
well Jason Garrett is the Offensive Coordinator. So it makes sense they resemble 90s off. plays
 
Davis looked good, but the O line wasn't dominating the D in the running game (of course they were missing both starting tackles). Reports coming out of camp were that Davis could be a liability in the passing game, it didn't show last night as he did a solid job.

Sure it doesn't mean much, but both times Romo got in the red zone, he kept dumping the ball off well short of the goal line. Didn't take a shot into the endzone.

 
Sure it doesn't mean much, but both times Romo got in the red zone, he kept dumping the ball off well short of the goal line. Didn't take a shot into the endzone.
He had Witten wide open for a TD as noted earlier but he forced a pass to TO into heavy coverage instead. That was probably the best look at a TD he had and he made a poor read.
 
Davis is a beast in run blocking. He had at least 3 pancakes last night. I'm not sure how well Dallas' O-line will pass block, but they are going to be a big, big load in the running game. Adams, Gurode, and Davis are all among the biggest and strongest in the league at their respective positions. 4th quarters are going to be hell for defenses to if Dallas has a lead.
:confused: I really liked what I saw from Davis. He moved really well getting out on the LB'ers. Funny from what was said earlier on this board you would have thought Davis really sucked and was one of the worst players in the league.
The knock I have always heard on Davis is his lack of consistency not a lack of talent. He has/had the rep of taking plays off. If that is true or not I have no idea - but I think the change of teams could do him a world of good.
 
Sure it doesn't mean much, but both times Romo got in the red zone, he kept dumping the ball off well short of the goal line. Didn't take a shot into the endzone.
He had Witten wide open for a TD as noted earlier but he forced a pass to TO into heavy coverage instead. That was probably the best look at a TD he had and he made a poor read.
I was referring to when the were actaully in the red zone, at that point they were around the 30 or something. When Romo had two 3rd and goals he ended up dumping the ball to a guy who had no shot of getting in.
 
Sure it doesn't mean much, but both times Romo got in the red zone, he kept dumping the ball off well short of the goal line. Didn't take a shot into the endzone.
He had Witten wide open for a TD as noted earlier but he forced a pass to TO into heavy coverage instead. That was probably the best look at a TD he had and he made a poor read.
I was referring to when the were actaully in the red zone, at that point they were around the 30 or something. When Romo had two 3rd and goals he ended up dumping the ball to a guy who had no shot of getting in.
Yea I'd much rather see him force a ball into the endzone for an INT instead of settling for 3 points. :popcorn: It's all about minimizing mistakes, and he did that well last night.
 
The thing that I noticed most was the TE's, all of them, catching the ball with their hands. Even the 4th string guy was catching it out away from his body. Very nice.

 
Sure it doesn't mean much, but both times Romo got in the red zone, he kept dumping the ball off well short of the goal line. Didn't take a shot into the endzone.
He had Witten wide open for a TD as noted earlier but he forced a pass to TO into heavy coverage instead. That was probably the best look at a TD he had and he made a poor read.
I was referring to when the were actaully in the red zone, at that point they were around the 30 or something. When Romo had two 3rd and goals he ended up dumping the ball to a guy who had no shot of getting in.
Yea I'd much rather see him force a ball into the endzone for an INT instead of settling for 3 points. :sadbanana: It's all about minimizing mistakes, and he did that well last night.
I am not knocking Romo at all, just something that caught my attention. Also, if you want to minimize mistakes and settle for three, he should just throw the ball away then dumping off short. The guy had a better chance of fumbling than getting it into the end zone.
 
Ebb and flow folks. It was the first preseason game........certainly take notes and start to form some opinions based on performance but you guys have watched enough football to know last night's game means nothing for the starters of the team.

I think Indy in their last 9 preseason games are 1-8. I remember a time when the Lions were like 4-0 in the preseason and started the regular season off 0-8.

I didn't see anything in that game last night that would make me think anything different that Julius Jones won't be the guy used between the 20 and the 20 and Mb3 on third down situations as well as anything near the goaline.

Mb3 will get 16 touchdowns again if he's presented with the same amount of opportunities to do so. Whether or not this new offense will call for more passing inside the 20 and vulture them away is a different story. I saw Julius run pretty well.....I saw Mb3 look a little hesitant in his first few runs but I also saw him make some nice runs. There was one catch that got called back on a penalty but basically he caught the ball and juked like 2 guys to get a nice first down. On about 3 straight runs I saw him run hard into the secondary and move the pile forward each time when he was finally brought down.

 
I know this, but I was surprised how much of his offensive scheme followed the Tuner/Zampese/Coryell tree as opposed to the schooling he got under Fassel in NY.

taylor99 said:
well Jason Garrett is the Offensive Coordinator. So it makes sense they resemble 90s off. plays
 
I didn't see anything in that game last night that would make me think anything different that Julius Jones won't be the guy used between the 20 and the 20 and Mb3 on third down situations as well as anything near the goaline.
I noticed this very same thing. Jones will have to hit home runs if he plans to increase his TD total from last season.
 
Davis was a mauler last night. They boys will now be able to run right now as well as left. Unlike last year with Rivera.Julius looked faster to me. Not a fan of Barber at all, waaay over hyped here.
Don't understand this posting?Are you saying MBIII is not better than JJ? MBIII led the entire NFC in TD's last year with 16. I'll admit it, JJ does look faster, but his 6 carry 22 yard performance (3.7 YPC) did not impress me. His longest run was for 7 yards? Meanwhile, MBIII ran 12 times for 48 yards and his longest gain was 16 yards. He also caught three passes out of the backfield. To me, MBIII is a MUCH better player than JJ.
Not having seen the game, I have to ask which defensive team each were running against. 3.7 ypc against a tough 1st string D might well be more impressive than averaging 4 YPC on the second and third stringers.
 
Davis was a mauler last night. They boys will now be able to run right now as well as left. Unlike last year with Rivera.Julius looked faster to me. Not a fan of Barber at all, waaay over hyped here.
Don't understand this posting?Are you saying MBIII is not better than JJ? MBIII led the entire NFC in TD's last year with 16. I'll admit it, JJ does look faster, but his 6 carry 22 yard performance (3.7 YPC) did not impress me. His longest run was for 7 yards? Meanwhile, MBIII ran 12 times for 48 yards and his longest gain was 16 yards. He also caught three passes out of the backfield. To me, MBIII is a MUCH better player than JJ.
Not having seen the game, I have to ask which defensive team each were running against. 3.7 ypc against a tough 1st string D might well be more impressive than averaging 4 YPC on the second and third stringers.
What kind of tough first string run D do you think Indy has never mind it being in the preseason, first game at that.
 
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