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The Newsroom - new HBO series from Aaron Sorkin (1 Viewer)

I could be wrong but did CNN and Fox News really announce that Giffords was killed in the Arizona shooting?
CNN Killed Gabrielle Giffords, But We Didn't Kill Jim BradyOn Saturday, all three news networks and The New York Times killed Giffords. So did NPR. As a matter a fact, it was NPR who seems to have led the pack. FoxNews cited NPR when it announced that Giffords had died. CNN and MSNBC hesitated, but ten or fifteen minutes later they too announced that Giffords was dead. Once word got out that Giffords was still breathing, though in critical condition, FoxNews, to its credit, explained that it had confirmed the NPR reports with three other reliable sources, in varying branches of the government, but none of the sources were named. Within an hour, we knew that NPR and all the "confirmations" were wrong.

 
Enjoyed the episode, but thought the Bigfoot thing was completely out of place. Especially with Daniel's character saying "tell me more about bigfoot when this is over". No way he'd actually do that, right? Or was he just giving that dude credit for being all over the oil spill stuff first and throwing him a bone :shrug:

 
Enjoyed the episode, but thought the Bigfoot thing was completely out of place. Especially with Daniel's character saying "tell me more about bigfoot when this is over". No way he'd actually do that, right? Or was he just giving that dude credit for being all over the oil spill stuff first and throwing him a bone :shrug:
I think it's mainly Will's attempt to not be such a d**k to the people he works with. I doubt he has any serious interest in Bigfoot but he knows the Slum Dog kid does so he's making an attempt to connect in some way. I seem to be in the minority here but I think this show is terrific. I watched last night's episode twice last night and did the same with last week's episode. I think it's a great cast and Daniels is really good.
 
Interesting that Jeff Daniels is listed on 8 episodes at IMDB - not 10.

It does not appear that he (or Mackenzie, Jim or Emily) are in episodes 8 and 9 (The Blackout Part 1 - Tragedy Porn, and The Blackout Part 2: Mock Debate).

 
Enjoyed the episode, but thought the Bigfoot thing was completely out of place. Especially with Daniel's character saying "tell me more about bigfoot when this is over". No way he'd actually do that, right? Or was he just giving that dude credit for being all over the oil spill stuff first and throwing him a bone :shrug:
I think it's mainly Will's attempt to not be such a d**k to the people he works with. I doubt he has any serious interest in Bigfoot but he knows the Slum Dog kid does so he's making an attempt to connect in some way. I seem to be in the minority here but I think this show is terrific. I watched last night's episode twice last night and did the same with last week's episode. I think it's a great cast and Daniels is really good.
It's a guilty pleasure. I'm already being mocked by my friends for watching it. :bag:
 
Enjoyed the episode, but thought the Bigfoot thing was completely out of place. Especially with Daniel's character saying "tell me more about bigfoot when this is over". No way he'd actually do that, right? Or was he just giving that dude credit for being all over the oil spill stuff first and throwing him a bone :shrug:
I think it's mainly Will's attempt to not be such a d**k to the people he works with. I doubt he has any serious interest in Bigfoot but he knows the Slum Dog kid does so he's making an attempt to connect in some way. I seem to be in the minority here but I think this show is terrific. I watched last night's episode twice last night and did the same with last week's episode. I think it's a great cast and Daniels is really good.
It's a guilty pleasure. I'm already being mocked by my friends for watching it. :bag:
I like it too. Granted, I haven't seen episode 2 yet, which I'm learning was an abortion of an episode, but I watched episode 1 again last night with my wife and she liked it too. We also caught the tail end of last night's episode. I really enjoy it. :shrug:Of course, I've never seen one episode of "West Wing", so I'm not familiar with this type of show. It's fast paced, it's topical, it's combative and I gotta tell you...Jeff Daniels is outstanding here. "I'M AFFABLE!" :lmao: Guess I'm not smart enough to spot the horrendous holes in this show.
 
Enjoyed the episode, but thought the Bigfoot thing was completely out of place. Especially with Daniel's character saying "tell me more about bigfoot when this is over". No way he'd actually do that, right? Or was he just giving that dude credit for being all over the oil spill stuff first and throwing him a bone :shrug:
I think it's mainly Will's attempt to not be such a d**k to the people he works with. I doubt he has any serious interest in Bigfoot but he knows the Slum Dog kid does so he's making an attempt to connect in some way. I seem to be in the minority here but I think this show is terrific. I watched last night's episode twice last night and did the same with last week's episode. I think it's a great cast and Daniels is really good.
It's a guilty pleasure. I'm already being mocked by my friends for watching it. :bag:
I like it too. Granted, I haven't seen episode 2 yet, which I'm learning was an abortion of an episode, but I watched episode 1 again last night with my wife and she liked it too. We also caught the tail end of last night's episode. I really enjoy it. :shrug:Of course, I've never seen one episode of "West Wing", so I'm not familiar with this type of show. It's fast paced, it's topical, it's combative and I gotta tell you...Jeff Daniels is outstanding here. "I'M AFFABLE!" :lmao: Guess I'm not smart enough to spot the horrendous holes in this show.
You and me both. :) I like all of the things you listed, pace, topics, inside battles (personal and professional) and Daniels absolutely nails this role. I didn't think the second episode was awful at all but the other three (and particularly the last two) are better. It's a fun show and I really enjoy it. There aren't many shows I watch that when they end I want to immediately watch the next episode but this is one of them.
 
Yep. I'm totally in. I also loved the use of Fix You during the Giffords moment at the end. Sometimes the show is too smart for its own good dialogue-wise, but I really enjoy most of the characters (Daniels & Waterson top that list).

And the things I would do to Mackenzie are unspeakable.

 
I'll continue to watch this but mainly because I'm paying for HBO becasue of the on demand content. This show has it's moments but the Tea party bashing is getting a little old. I'm waiting for James Carville to get writing credit one of these weeks.

 
For the love of God, the whole Ross/Rachel relationship crap is getting old. I'm hoping that comes to a resolution soon or I'll have to call it quits. I actually think the show needs to get more political, more news oriented. I'm in for now, but I can see this show getting old, fast if they continue the Ross/Rachel crap.

 
Rudy? Don't know whether to laugh or cringe. At least he had the good sense not to try that with the west wing, despite bartlets Alma mater.

 
This show is on life support with me. I had it on in the background as I was typing here, and if I missed a line or two I didn't even bother going back to hear it clearly.

 
I've enjoyed it so far. Daniels really carries this show. They need less of the annoying blonde and more of the hot finance chic.

 
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No, it's fine and I look forward to watching it every week, but I understand why some people might find it unbearably bad. It's funny how he's trying to get people to eat some vegetables with their meat, with the Sloan explanation of the repeal of Glass-Steagall and then Will's explanation of Citizens United, even if both came off as awkwardly forced and simplistic (though not necessarily incorrect.) I appreciate what he tried in the episode and it was definitely the most ambitious script of the season so far. A lot of moving parts that he mostly managed to get through the door at the end. But I'm still having a hard time watching scenes like the jersey scene at the end without losing suspension of disbelief and thinking that everybody involved has to be waiting for him to snap out of his romanticism and start really kicking ###. He's more concerned with being cute, entertaining, and self-righteous (read: superficial) than he is with being the kind of people the show's heroes aspire to be.

 
I like certain aspects of this show enough that I plan to keep watching. The dialogue is unrealistically fast-paced and witty, but it's fun. And Sorkin is pretty good at dramatic tension, like last week's Gabby Giffords segment.

But it's frustrating to watch a show that rightfully laments partisan hackery descend itself into partisan hackery. It's great watching Sorkin expose the worst of Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Back, and various Tea Party types. But then he turns around and gives voice to positions advanced by their mirror images on the left. He has Will McAvoy misstate the holding of Citizens United, for example, in a way that could only come from someone on the far left.

Will McAvoy: The Citizens United decision allowed corporations to donate unlimited amounts of money to any political candidate without anyone knowing where the money is coming from.

Limits on donations to political candidates were not at issue in Citizens United. The maximum amount that a corporation can give to a political candidate running for federal office is zero. Citizens United did not change that. Citizens United allowed corporations to spend money publishing their own speech — producing movies, publishing books, writing editorials. It does not allow corporations to contribute money to campaigns. Moreover, all disclosure requirements at issue in Citizens United were upheld.There's also this exchange:

Jim Harper: The answer is yes, the Koch brothers had money in Citizens United. A number of Koch-funded groups submitted amicus briefs to the court, including the Cato Institute, which the Kochs funded. They submitted a brief calling for unfettered corporate speech.

Maggie Jordan: So did the Institute for Justice, also funded by the Kochs. Their brief said that finance laws prohibiting unlimited corporate contributions trump the First Amendment. ...

Jim Harper: Justices Thomas and Scalia have both been frequent guests of the Kochs, and between 2003 and 2007, Virginia Thomas, wife of Justice Thomas, was paid $686,589 by the Heritage Foundation, which was funded by David and Charles Koch.

Maggie Jordan: For whatever reason, Justice Thomas didn't disclose the $686,000 on his Supreme Court financial disclosure form.

Mackenzie MacHale: Is it very unusual that Scalia and Thomas didn't recuse themselves from the case?

Will McAvoy: If they had, Citizens United would have lost 4-3.

The correct answer to that last question, Will, is "No."Scalia and Thomas were "frequent guests" of the Kochs — meaning that they attended seminars sponsored by Koch Industries. Note how loose that connection is to the Citizens United case. The Kochs were not parties to the case. They were not shareholders of any parties to the case. They had no direct financial interest in the case. They donated money to organizations that filed amicus briefs!! And they donated money to Virginia Thomas's former employer, which was also not a party to the case, and didn't even file an amicus brief. Um, whoop-de-doo?

If I were a far left-winger writing for a show depicting itself as promoting objectivity over partisan hackery, I would have my scripts reviewed by a reasonable person on the right for accuracy. Somebody whose biases are opposite mine. It's pretty clear that Sorkin is using only sources that will confirm his own biases, which I think is a mistake.

 
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I like certain aspects of this show enough that I plan to keep watching. The dialogue is unrealistically fast-paced and witty, but it's fun. And Sorkin is pretty good at dramatic tension, like last week's Gabby Giffords segment.

But it's frustrating to watch a show that rightfully laments partisan hackery descend itself into partisan hackery. It's great watching Sorkin expose the worst of Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Back, and various Tea Party types. But then he turns around and gives voice to positions advanced by their mirror images on the left. He has Will McAvoy misstate the holding of Citizens United, for example, in a way that could only come from someone on the far left.

Will McAvoy: The Citizens United decision allowed corporations to donate unlimited amounts of money to any political candidate without anyone knowing where the money is coming from.

Limits on donations to political candidates were not at issue in Citizens United. The maximum amount that a corporation can give to a political candidate running for federal office is zero. Citizens United did not change that. Citizens United allowed corporations to spend money publishing their own speech — producing movies, publishing books, writing editorials. It does not allow corporations to contribute money to campaigns. Moreover, all disclosure requirements at issue in Citizens United were upheld.There's also this exchange:

Jim Harper: The answer is yes, the Koch brothers had money in Citizens United. A number of Koch-funded groups submitted amicus briefs to the court, including the Cato Institute, which the Kochs funded. They submitted a brief calling for unfettered corporate speech.

Maggie Jordan: So did the Institute for Justice, also funded by the Kochs. Their brief said that finance laws prohibiting unlimited corporate contributions trump the First Amendment. ...

Jim Harper: Justices Thomas and Scalia have both been frequent guests of the Kochs, and between 2003 and 2007, Virginia Thomas, wife of Justice Thomas, was paid $686,589 by the Heritage Foundation, which was funded by David and Charles Koch.

Maggie Jordan: For whatever reason, Justice Thomas didn't disclose the $686,000 on his Supreme Court financial disclosure form.

Mackenzie MacHale: Is it very unusual that Scalia and Thomas didn't recuse themselves from the case?

Will McAvoy: If they had, Citizens United would have lost 4-3.

The correct answer to that last question, Will, is "No."Scalia and Thomas were "frequent guests" of the Kochs — meaning that they attended seminars sponsored by Koch Industries. Note how loose that connection is to the Citizens United case. The Kochs were not parties to the case. They were not shareholders of any parties to the case. They had no financial interest in the case. They donated money to organizations that filed amicus briefs!! And they donated money to Virginia Thomas's former employer, which was also not a party to the case, and didn't even file an amicus brief. Um, whoop-de-doo?

If I were a far left-winger writing for a show depicting itself as promoting objectivity and accuracy over partisan hackery, I would have my scripts reviewed by a reasonable person on the right for accuracy. Somebody who's biases are opposite mine. It's pretty clear that Sorkin is using only sources that will confirm his own biases, which I think is a mistake.
That, too. I don't think he cares. It was clear from the pilot that he wasn't too worried about being a hypocrite, which is one of the great disappointments with the show.
 
For the most part that is a really nice post MT.

They had no financial interest in the case.
nonsense.And the correct answer isnt "no" by Will. Because in writing for shows movie/TV a character should almost never say exactly what is on his mind as a simple answer. Thats considered very poor form for viewers and becomes very unrealistic when done with any frequency. A real world answer is far more like what Will gave.
 
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They had no financial interest in the case.
nonsense.
I've edited to say no direct financial interest, but I'd be interested in hearing what indirect financial interest you think they had in it. The holding allows them to spend more money publicizing their views, but that appears to be a negative financial interest. Is your contention that by spending $X publicizing their views, they expect to influence electoral outcomes in a way that will save them $Y via reduced future taxes, where Y>X?
 
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They had no financial interest in the case.
nonsense.
I've edited to say no direct financial interest, but I'd be interested in hearing what indirect financial interest you think they had in it. The holding allows them to spend more money publicizing their views, but that appears to be a negative financial interest. Is your contention that by spending $X publicizing their views, they expect to influence electoral outcomes in a way that will save them $Y via reduced future taxes, where Y>X?
Of course.
 
I like certain aspects of this show enough that I plan to keep watching. The dialogue is unrealistically fast-paced and witty, but it's fun. And Sorkin is pretty good at dramatic tension, like last week's Gabby Giffords segment.

But it's frustrating to watch a show that rightfully laments partisan hackery descend itself into partisan hackery. It's great watching Sorkin expose the worst of Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Back, and various Tea Party types. But then he turns around and gives voice to positions advanced by their mirror images on the left. He has Will McAvoy misstate the holding of Citizens United, for example, in a way that could only come from someone on the far left.

Will McAvoy: The Citizens United decision allowed corporations to donate unlimited amounts of money to any political candidate without anyone knowing where the money is coming from.

Limits on donations to political candidates were not at issue in Citizens United. The maximum amount that a corporation can give to a political candidate running for federal office is zero. Citizens United did not change that. Citizens United allowed corporations to spend money publishing their own speech — producing movies, publishing books, writing editorials. It does not allow corporations to contribute money to campaigns. Moreover, all disclosure requirements at issue in Citizens United were upheld.There's also this exchange:

Jim Harper: The answer is yes, the Koch brothers had money in Citizens United. A number of Koch-funded groups submitted amicus briefs to the court, including the Cato Institute, which the Kochs funded. They submitted a brief calling for unfettered corporate speech.

Maggie Jordan: So did the Institute for Justice, also funded by the Kochs. Their brief said that finance laws prohibiting unlimited corporate contributions trump the First Amendment. ...

Jim Harper: Justices Thomas and Scalia have both been frequent guests of the Kochs, and between 2003 and 2007, Virginia Thomas, wife of Justice Thomas, was paid $686,589 by the Heritage Foundation, which was funded by David and Charles Koch.

Maggie Jordan: For whatever reason, Justice Thomas didn't disclose the $686,000 on his Supreme Court financial disclosure form.

Mackenzie MacHale: Is it very unusual that Scalia and Thomas didn't recuse themselves from the case?

Will McAvoy: If they had, Citizens United would have lost 4-3.

The correct answer to that last question, Will, is "No."Scalia and Thomas were "frequent guests" of the Kochs — meaning that they attended seminars sponsored by Koch Industries. Note how loose that connection is to the Citizens United case. The Kochs were not parties to the case. They were not shareholders of any parties to the case. They had no financial interest in the case. They donated money to organizations that filed amicus briefs!! And they donated money to Virginia Thomas's former employer, which was also not a party to the case, and didn't even file an amicus brief. Um, whoop-de-doo?

If I were a far left-winger writing for a show depicting itself as promoting objectivity and accuracy over partisan hackery, I would have my scripts reviewed by a reasonable person on the right for accuracy. Somebody who's biases are opposite mine. It's pretty clear that Sorkin is using only sources that will confirm his own biases, which I think is a mistake.
That, too. I don't think he cares. It was clear from the pilot that he wasn't too worried about being a hypocrite, which is one of the great disappointments with the show.
But it is all ok because Will McAvoy is a Republican. (something noted several times in the series so far)
 
Finally watched episode #2 and my expectations were so freaking low that I was expecting something along the lines of Ishtar or Gigli. It wasn't terrible for me. I don't think it matched the intensity of #1, but I didn't hate it. I agree that the dinky blonde is a weak link in the show and I could do with much less of her and much more of other characters, but by and large I'm entertained. Will stay with it for sure.

Again, having never watched West Wing, this is new for me. I would watch it just for Sam Watterford alone. He's fantastic. What's not to like? He's pugnacious, he's drunk and he's charming. I love that character. More of him, please.

It's just a show...I don't know why people are bothered by the left vs right element of it. It's just entertainment. :shrug:

 
They had no financial interest in the case.
nonsense.
I've edited to say no direct financial interest, but I'd be interested in hearing what indirect financial interest you think they had in it. The holding allows them to spend more money publicizing their views, but that appears to be a negative financial interest. Is your contention that by spending $X publicizing their views, they expect to influence electoral outcomes in a way that will save them $Y via reduced future taxes, where Y>X?
Of course.
Its not just lower taxes, its reduced regulations, other laws to help improve revenue and profits.
 
They got Jane Fonda to do this? Wow.

I think I'm all caught up now. Watched the 4th episode last night in full (I had caught the tail end of it last week) and enjoyed it. It's a fun show. :shrug:

 
I think I'm all caught up now. Watched the 4th episode last night in full (I had caught the tail end of it last week) and enjoyed it. It's a fun show. :shrug:
I agree. I don't get too wrapped in the political stuff because I hate politics. I can float along with it, but I'm not fascinated by it. it's just the vehicle to drive the story forward for me. I'm much more interested in the characters and their interactions. and Olivia Munn's buns.
 
I think I'm all caught up now. Watched the 4th episode last night in full (I had caught the tail end of it last week) and enjoyed it. It's a fun show. :shrug:
I agree. I don't get too wrapped in the political stuff because I hate politics. I can float along with it, but I'm not fascinated by it. it's just the vehicle to drive the story forward for me. I'm much more interested in the characters and their interactions. and Olivia Munn's buns.
I'm shocked at how good Olivia Munn is in this role. It was a given she'd be hot but I never expected her to do such good work on the show. I didn't see that coming.
 
I think I'm all caught up now. Watched the 4th episode last night in full (I had caught the tail end of it last week) and enjoyed it. It's a fun show. :shrug:
I agree. I don't get too wrapped in the political stuff because I hate politics. I can float along with it, but I'm not fascinated by it. it's just the vehicle to drive the story forward for me. I'm much more interested in the characters and their interactions. and Olivia Munn's buns.
I'm shocked at how good Olivia Munn is in this role. It was a given she'd be hot but I never expected her to do such good work on the show. I didn't see that coming.
she's a much better actress than I thought, and pretty authentic as an economics nerd.
 
I think I'm all caught up now. Watched the 4th episode last night in full (I had caught the tail end of it last week) and enjoyed it. It's a fun show. :shrug:
I agree. I don't get too wrapped in the political stuff because I hate politics. I can float along with it, but I'm not fascinated by it. it's just the vehicle to drive the story forward for me. I'm much more interested in the characters and their interactions. and Olivia Munn's buns.
I'm shocked at how good Olivia Munn is in this role. It was a given she'd be hot but I never expected her to do such good work on the show. I didn't see that coming.
she's a much better actress than I thought, and pretty authentic as an economics nerd.
I saw her on the NBC sit-com she did and she was awful. The entire show sucked. I knew from interviews and the stuff she did on G4 that she had a pretty good sense of comedic timing but it's even better than I thought. She's also nailing the more dramatic parts very well too. I'm with you, she's a much better actress than I thought.
 
I liked last night's episode, specifically the Double Uncle-Tom Santorum supporter and his assertion about his color and sexuality not defining him.

 
I liked last night's episode, specifically the Double Uncle-Tom Santorum supporter and his assertion about his color and sexuality not defining him.
Yeah, that part was good. It was refreshing to see Will come out on the losing end of that exchange (although I'm not 100% sure that Sorkin viewed him as being on the losing end).
 
Really liked the Santorum exchange, and this coming from someone that *hates* Santorum. Additionally, if we want to believe he's a moderate Republican, he needs to call out some of the (many) goofy/bad liberal ideas.

 
That was the best episode of the series so far. It had the elements that made West Wing one of my all time favorites with really none of the crap I have got sick of earlier in the season. It certainly bought the series an extension from me where before watching it, I was debating whether or not to delete it from my DVR settings.

Sam Waterston is brilliant in his role consistently. Jeff Daniels is spot on. Olivia Munn is some of the best eye candy on TV and she is holding her own in performing.

 
Really liked the Santorum exchange, and this coming from someone that *hates* Santorum. Additionally, if we want to believe he's a moderate Republican, he needs to call out some of the (many) goofy/bad liberal ideas.
Yea, this is still an annoying point for me. I may be wrong but I do believe each episode has found a way to remind us that McAvoy is a Republican. It almost seems that the only reason for that is to give him some sort of credibility in going after Republicans/conservatives.
 
Can't wait to watch the new one. Was an episode behind. "Amen" was just okay for me. Still loving this show, though. My MIL is now a convert.

 
Really liked the Santorum exchange, and this coming from someone that *hates* Santorum. Additionally, if we want to believe he's a moderate Republican, he needs to call out some of the (many) goofy/bad liberal ideas.
Yea, this is still an annoying point for me. I may be wrong but I do believe each episode has found a way to remind us that McAvoy is a Republican. It almost seems that the only reason for that is to give him some sort of credibility in going after Republicans/conservatives.
Start laying some out. One that most everyone agrees on.
 
Really liked the Santorum exchange, and this coming from someone that *hates* Santorum. Additionally, if we want to believe he's a moderate Republican, he needs to call out some of the (many) goofy/bad liberal ideas.
Yea, this is still an annoying point for me. I may be wrong but I do believe each episode has found a way to remind us that McAvoy is a Republican. It almost seems that the only reason for that is to give him some sort of credibility in going after Republicans/conservatives.
Start laying some out. One that most everyone agrees on.
Occupiers are just as easy to make fun of as Tea Partiers, for starters. There are smart people and stupid people in each movement, but it would be easy to do a segment that's a mirror image of the one with the "Latinos and Latinas" professor, the rifle guy, and the beauty pageant woman.
 
That was the best episode of the series so far. It had the elements that made West Wing one of my all time favorites with really none of the crap I have got sick of earlier in the season. It certainly bought the series an extension from me where before watching it, I was debating whether or not to delete it from my DVR settings. Sam Waterston is brilliant in his role consistently. Jeff Daniels is spot on. Olivia Munn is some of the best eye candy on TV and she is holding her own in performing.
Would have been nice to see Oliva Munn do the Japanese stuff dressed in a Japanese school girl outfit with those glasses and some nice knee high stockings
 
Really liked the Santorum exchange, and this coming from someone that *hates* Santorum. Additionally, if we want to believe he's a moderate Republican, he needs to call out some of the (many) goofy/bad liberal ideas.
Yea, this is still an annoying point for me. I may be wrong but I do believe each episode has found a way to remind us that McAvoy is a Republican. It almost seems that the only reason for that is to give him some sort of credibility in going after Republicans/conservatives.
Start laying some out. One that most everyone agrees on.
Occupiers are just as easy to make fun of as Tea Partiers, for starters. There are smart people and stupid people in each movement, but it would be easy to do a segment that's a mirror image of the one with the "Latinos and Latinas" professor, the rifle guy, and the beauty pageant woman.
Ill agree with that. Maybe not on the initial occupiers, but certainly as it got later and later.But it didnt start until late 2011, and they arent there yet. Maybe it can/will be used.
 
Olivia Munn walking around pouting was sexy.

I am getting a little tired of the "I have a personal friend who is involved smack dab in the center of this major story and can give me the inside scoop" plot device.

 
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'Maurile Tremblay said:
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'Chadstroma said:
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Really liked the Santorum exchange, and this coming from someone that *hates* Santorum. Additionally, if we want to believe he's a moderate Republican, he needs to call out some of the (many) goofy/bad liberal ideas.
Yea, this is still an annoying point for me. I may be wrong but I do believe each episode has found a way to remind us that McAvoy is a Republican. It almost seems that the only reason for that is to give him some sort of credibility in going after Republicans/conservatives.
Start laying some out. One that most everyone agrees on.
Occupiers are just as easy to make fun of as Tea Partiers, for starters. There are smart people and stupid people in each movement, but it would be easy to do a segment that's a mirror image of the one with the "Latinos and Latinas" professor, the rifle guy, and the beauty pageant woman.
Ill agree with that. Maybe not on the initial occupiers, but certainly as it got later and later.But it didnt start until late 2011, and they arent there yet. Maybe it can/will be used.
There is tons of material available during any time line if there is any desire to do it. There are plenty of political threads out there so there really is no reason to make this thread about politics more than is needed to discuss the show.
 
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'Chadstroma said:
That was the best episode of the series so far. It had the elements that made West Wing one of my all time favorites with really none of the crap I have got sick of earlier in the season. It certainly bought the series an extension from me where before watching it, I was debating whether or not to delete it from my DVR settings. Sam Waterston is brilliant in his role consistently. Jeff Daniels is spot on. Olivia Munn is some of the best eye candy on TV and she is holding her own in performing.
Would have been nice to see Oliva Munn do the Japanese stuff dressed in a Japanese school girl outfit with those glasses and some nice knee high stockings
That is a whole different show in your head my friend.
 
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Olivia Munn walking around pouting was sexy.I am getting a little tired of the "I have a personal friend who is involved smack dab in the center of this major story and can give me the inside scoop" plot device.
Seems pretty realistic to me. I would guess that's how most reporters get there info. Not like they can call the companies main line and ask to speak with the leak.
 
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Olivia Munn walking around pouting was sexy.I am getting a little tired of the "I have a personal friend who is involved smack dab in the center of this major story and can give me the inside scoop" plot device.
Seems pretty realistic to me. I would guess that's how most reporters get there info. Not like they can call the companies main line and ask to speak with the leak.
There's sources loosely connected to the story and then there's ex boyfriends, sisters and close personal friends that are that key figures in the story.
 
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Really liked the Santorum exchange, and this coming from someone that *hates* Santorum. Additionally, if we want to believe he's a moderate Republican, he needs to call out some of the (many) goofy/bad liberal ideas.
Yea, this is still an annoying point for me. I may be wrong but I do believe each episode has found a way to remind us that McAvoy is a Republican. It almost seems that the only reason for that is to give him some sort of credibility in going after Republicans/conservatives.
Start laying some out. One that most everyone agrees on.
Occupiers are just as easy to make fun of as Tea Partiers, for starters. There are smart people and stupid people in each movement, but it would be easy to do a segment that's a mirror image of the one with the "Latinos and Latinas" professor, the rifle guy, and the beauty pageant woman.
Ill agree with that. Maybe not on the initial occupiers, but certainly as it got later and later.But it didnt start until late 2011, and they arent there yet. Maybe it can/will be used.
There is tons of material available during any time line if there is any desire to do it. There are plenty of political threads out there so there really is no reason to make this thread about politics more than is needed to discuss the show.
Thats why asked you for some. Lay some out Chad.
 
'BigSteelThrill said:
'Maurile Tremblay said:
'BigSteelThrill said:
'Chadstroma said:
'jonboltz said:
Really liked the Santorum exchange, and this coming from someone that *hates* Santorum. Additionally, if we want to believe he's a moderate Republican, he needs to call out some of the (many) goofy/bad liberal ideas.
Yea, this is still an annoying point for me. I may be wrong but I do believe each episode has found a way to remind us that McAvoy is a Republican. It almost seems that the only reason for that is to give him some sort of credibility in going after Republicans/conservatives.
Start laying some out. One that most everyone agrees on.
Occupiers are just as easy to make fun of as Tea Partiers, for starters. There are smart people and stupid people in each movement, but it would be easy to do a segment that's a mirror image of the one with the "Latinos and Latinas" professor, the rifle guy, and the beauty pageant woman.
Ill agree with that. Maybe not on the initial occupiers, but certainly as it got later and later.But it didnt start until late 2011, and they arent there yet. Maybe it can/will be used.
There is tons of material available during any time line if there is any desire to do it. There are plenty of political threads out there so there really is no reason to make this thread about politics more than is needed to discuss the show.
Thats why asked you for some. Lay some out Chad.
No interest. I have cut down my intake of the political threads for a reason. Go fish somewhere else.
 
'BigSteelThrill said:
'Maurile Tremblay said:
'BigSteelThrill said:
'Chadstroma said:
'jonboltz said:
Really liked the Santorum exchange, and this coming from someone that *hates* Santorum. Additionally, if we want to believe he's a moderate Republican, he needs to call out some of the (many) goofy/bad liberal ideas.
Yea, this is still an annoying point for me. I may be wrong but I do believe each episode has found a way to remind us that McAvoy is a Republican. It almost seems that the only reason for that is to give him some sort of credibility in going after Republicans/conservatives.
Start laying some out. One that most everyone agrees on.
Occupiers are just as easy to make fun of as Tea Partiers, for starters. There are smart people and stupid people in each movement, but it would be easy to do a segment that's a mirror image of the one with the "Latinos and Latinas" professor, the rifle guy, and the beauty pageant woman.
Ill agree with that. Maybe not on the initial occupiers, but certainly as it got later and later.But it didnt start until late 2011, and they arent there yet. Maybe it can/will be used.
There is tons of material available during any time line if there is any desire to do it. There are plenty of political threads out there so there really is no reason to make this thread about politics more than is needed to discuss the show.
Thats why asked you for some. Lay some out Chad.
No interest. I have cut down my intake of the political threads for a reason. Go fish somewhere else.
Hehehe.
 

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