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The next Gronk or Graham? (1 Viewer)
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TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
I don't think I've seen a mention of Jermaine Gresham here...
The opportunity for big time production is there. I think the focus on Green offers Gresham an opportunity to become a significant focus in the Bengals passing attack. While I'm not high on Dalton, he'll have to find other outlets than AJ Green.
The opportunity for big time production is there. I think the focus on Green offers Gresham an opportunity to become a significant focus in the Bengals passing attack. While I'm not high on Dalton, he'll have to find other outlets than AJ Green.
Crazy Tony
Footballguy
I think YOURMOM has a great chance too.
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
Gresham is a nice late pick but with BGJE and Green he doesn't have the potential TD/yards value as Gronk or Graham. Were all forgetting that these two guys were basically the 1A-1B option for their QB in the red zone and between the 20's. And that the coach actually calls pass plays in the rdzn. Looking at some rankings the only leap of faith gambles I can make a case for is on Fred Davis(which I have done twice even with Cooley) or Kyle Rudolph reaching the near elite level averaging 7-8 points.'TheDirtyWord said:
Hear-the-Footsteps
Footballguy
I entered this thread to throw in my two cents on Gresham. Ironically, Gresham was the guy thrown out there in the last two posts. So let me chime in as well.
In no particular order...
1. Former 1st rounder. So obviously considered talented.
2. Got better from yr 1 to yr 2. Always good to see.
3. No reason to think he can't get better in yr 3 just based on natural improvements, progressing, etc.
4. Entering his 3rd yr means still young.
5. Dalton was in his first yr. Dalton should be able to improve as well. This should help Gresham as well.
6. Only 1 solid WR (AJ Green) on team. Let me elaborate more on this.
Sure Cincy brought in some talent (drafted Sanu, Jones). But those guys, along with Shipley, Tate, etc - aren't seeing a ton of targets.
So this is like NE's situation. Welker sees a lot...as should AJ. But after that, what did NE have last year in terms of guys they just had to target? Branch, Ochocinco, and Edelman (the 3 most targeted WRs after Welker) had a combined 70 receptions. Combined!
So with one very solid guy (Welker / AJ Green) who will get his no matter what (even if double-teamed), there are still many targets to go around. This is not the case in a place like GB - where they have the high octane passing QB - but they have too many mouths to feed. Jennings, Nelson, Driver, Jones, Cobb, etc - make it hard for a TE (yes, even Finley who I do like a lot) to get 80 receptions.
Arguably the Cincy situation is also similar to NO. Colston is the Welker who is the AJ Green. But after that, what WR commanded a ton of targets? Here you have several decent guys (Meachem, Moore, Henderson). But none of them are tier 1 or tier 2 WRs.
Same in Cincy. I actually like Sanu and am trying to acquire him in dynasty leagues. But right now - Sanu, Jones, Shipley aren't exactly tier 1 or tier 2 guys. So you have the one great WR (AJ) who will see a lot, but then who?
7. He was 21st among TEs in standard scoring his rookie yr. He was 13th last yr in his 2nd season. But he missed two games. His pro-rated numbers would have put him at 11th. (Not a huge jump. But clearly 11th is better than 13th. He is knocking on the top 10 door regardless of all of the above.)
Btw, the pro-rated #s would have been: 64-681-7.
8. Not much of a running game. This is also like the NE (Gronk/Hernandez) offense. NE went to battle with BJGE, Ridley, Vareen, Woodhead, etc. Nothing spectacular there. Well if you aren't solid at the running game, try passing. And it worked out quite well for NE.
Look at who Cincy will be going to battle with at the running game: BJGE, B.Scott. Nothing earth shattering there. I think it could be competent. But certainly I cannot see a run first team with that.
I see no reason why this guy cannot make a nice jump this year.
If I had to throw numbers on the board, I would guess something like: 72-865-9.
No, that is certainly not Gronkowski or Graham level. Those guys did 90-1327-17 and 99-1310-11, respectively. But I really believe they are in their own tier. If you look over all the TEs last year though - 72-865-9 would have been good for 3rd overall TE. (Yup, better than Hernandez.)
So that is my guess. I could definitely be wrong. I see so much talent at TE this year. Unless you play in a 16 team league - you should be able to get a guy good enough. This is how I see it: Gronk and Graham could easily be the best again. But this year you will have to pay a high price to get them. So even if they put up close to what they did last year - spending a first or second rounder on them doesn't exactly give you huge value.
After them, there are many guys that I can see producing:
Davis - top 10 for three straight yrs. So no one would be surprised if he did well.
Finley - 5th overall last yr - has Rodgers - and might have been the most talked about player on these boards a year or so ago. So no one would be surprised if he did well.
Hernandez - 3rd last yr. Still has Brady. No one would be surprised if he was right after the Gronk/Graham tier as he was already the first one after them.
Then there are the guys that are considered the veteran TEs: Witten and Gates. But we aren't talking 35 yrs old here. One just turned 30; the other will turn 32 before the season begins. Witten has 5 straight yrs in the top 10 - 3 of which were as 1st or 2nd overall. Gates has 8 straight yrs in the top 10 - 7 of which were in the top 4.
So my point (sorry if it is a little bit of a tangent):
While people want to find the next Gronkowski or Graham, I am not certain it matters so much at TE this year. You can have Gronk or Graham - who should be great - but will be around a 2nd rounder. Or later in the draft you can have Davis, Finley, Hernandez, Witten, Gates. That's 7 TEs I would not mind having at all.
But to bring this full circle - if we are taking a stab at who can end up in that tier 1 or top of tier 2 among TEs: I am going with Gresham first. My next choice is Celek. But that is a whole other story.
ETA: Even if you don't get one of the 7 TEs I just mentioned, that next tier has some guys with pretty decent potential:
- Gresham (as already mentioned)
- Celek (as briefly mentioned)
- Pettigrew
- F.Davis
- Fleener
- Cook
I am not saying Pettgrew, Davis, or Fleener will put up Gronk/Graham #s, but they also won't cost nearly what those guys will.
In no particular order...
1. Former 1st rounder. So obviously considered talented.
2. Got better from yr 1 to yr 2. Always good to see.
3. No reason to think he can't get better in yr 3 just based on natural improvements, progressing, etc.
4. Entering his 3rd yr means still young.
5. Dalton was in his first yr. Dalton should be able to improve as well. This should help Gresham as well.
6. Only 1 solid WR (AJ Green) on team. Let me elaborate more on this.
Sure Cincy brought in some talent (drafted Sanu, Jones). But those guys, along with Shipley, Tate, etc - aren't seeing a ton of targets.
So this is like NE's situation. Welker sees a lot...as should AJ. But after that, what did NE have last year in terms of guys they just had to target? Branch, Ochocinco, and Edelman (the 3 most targeted WRs after Welker) had a combined 70 receptions. Combined!
So with one very solid guy (Welker / AJ Green) who will get his no matter what (even if double-teamed), there are still many targets to go around. This is not the case in a place like GB - where they have the high octane passing QB - but they have too many mouths to feed. Jennings, Nelson, Driver, Jones, Cobb, etc - make it hard for a TE (yes, even Finley who I do like a lot) to get 80 receptions.
Arguably the Cincy situation is also similar to NO. Colston is the Welker who is the AJ Green. But after that, what WR commanded a ton of targets? Here you have several decent guys (Meachem, Moore, Henderson). But none of them are tier 1 or tier 2 WRs.
Same in Cincy. I actually like Sanu and am trying to acquire him in dynasty leagues. But right now - Sanu, Jones, Shipley aren't exactly tier 1 or tier 2 guys. So you have the one great WR (AJ) who will see a lot, but then who?
7. He was 21st among TEs in standard scoring his rookie yr. He was 13th last yr in his 2nd season. But he missed two games. His pro-rated numbers would have put him at 11th. (Not a huge jump. But clearly 11th is better than 13th. He is knocking on the top 10 door regardless of all of the above.)
Btw, the pro-rated #s would have been: 64-681-7.
8. Not much of a running game. This is also like the NE (Gronk/Hernandez) offense. NE went to battle with BJGE, Ridley, Vareen, Woodhead, etc. Nothing spectacular there. Well if you aren't solid at the running game, try passing. And it worked out quite well for NE.
Look at who Cincy will be going to battle with at the running game: BJGE, B.Scott. Nothing earth shattering there. I think it could be competent. But certainly I cannot see a run first team with that.
I see no reason why this guy cannot make a nice jump this year.
If I had to throw numbers on the board, I would guess something like: 72-865-9.
No, that is certainly not Gronkowski or Graham level. Those guys did 90-1327-17 and 99-1310-11, respectively. But I really believe they are in their own tier. If you look over all the TEs last year though - 72-865-9 would have been good for 3rd overall TE. (Yup, better than Hernandez.)
So that is my guess. I could definitely be wrong. I see so much talent at TE this year. Unless you play in a 16 team league - you should be able to get a guy good enough. This is how I see it: Gronk and Graham could easily be the best again. But this year you will have to pay a high price to get them. So even if they put up close to what they did last year - spending a first or second rounder on them doesn't exactly give you huge value.
After them, there are many guys that I can see producing:
Davis - top 10 for three straight yrs. So no one would be surprised if he did well.
Finley - 5th overall last yr - has Rodgers - and might have been the most talked about player on these boards a year or so ago. So no one would be surprised if he did well.
Hernandez - 3rd last yr. Still has Brady. No one would be surprised if he was right after the Gronk/Graham tier as he was already the first one after them.
Then there are the guys that are considered the veteran TEs: Witten and Gates. But we aren't talking 35 yrs old here. One just turned 30; the other will turn 32 before the season begins. Witten has 5 straight yrs in the top 10 - 3 of which were as 1st or 2nd overall. Gates has 8 straight yrs in the top 10 - 7 of which were in the top 4.
So my point (sorry if it is a little bit of a tangent):
While people want to find the next Gronkowski or Graham, I am not certain it matters so much at TE this year. You can have Gronk or Graham - who should be great - but will be around a 2nd rounder. Or later in the draft you can have Davis, Finley, Hernandez, Witten, Gates. That's 7 TEs I would not mind having at all.
But to bring this full circle - if we are taking a stab at who can end up in that tier 1 or top of tier 2 among TEs: I am going with Gresham first. My next choice is Celek. But that is a whole other story.
ETA: Even if you don't get one of the 7 TEs I just mentioned, that next tier has some guys with pretty decent potential:
- Gresham (as already mentioned)
- Celek (as briefly mentioned)
- Pettigrew
- F.Davis
- Fleener
- Cook
I am not saying Pettgrew, Davis, or Fleener will put up Gronk/Graham #s, but they also won't cost nearly what those guys will.
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ShaHBucks
Footballguy
I was Going to make the same point that Gronk/Graham value came from their draft position. They gave u a 4-7 point advantage over other teams, not including the advantage you had stockpiling wr/rb before you took a TE. If there will be another breakout TE I'm sold that that player will need to be the #1WR on a pass heavy offence(especially in the red zone). Other than that there is little separation between the rest of the pack.I entered this thread to throw in my two cents on Gresham. Ironically, Gresham was the guy thrown out there in the last two posts. So let me chime in as well.In no particular order...1. Former 1st rounder. So obviously considered talented.2. Got better from yr 1 to yr 2. Always good to see.3. No reason to think he can't get better in yr 3 just based on natural improvements, progressing, etc.4. Entering his 3rd yr means still young.5. Dalton was in his first yr. Dalton should be able to improve as well. This should help Gresham as well.6. Only 1 solid WR (AJ Green) on team. Let me elaborate more on this.Sure Cincy brought in some talent (drafted Sanu, Jones). But those guys, along with Shipley, Tate, etc - aren't seeing a ton of targets.So this is like NE's situation. Welker sees a lot...as should AJ. But after that, what did NE have last year in terms of guys they just had to target? Branch, Ochocinco, and Edelman (the 3 most targeted WRs after Welker) had a combined 70 receptions. Combined!So with one very solid guy (Welker / AJ Green) who will get his no matter what (even if double-teamed), there are still many targets to go around. This is not the case in a place like GB - where they have the high octane passing QB - but they have too many mouths to feed. Jennings, Nelson, Driver, Jones, Cobb, etc - make it hard for a TE (yes, even Finley who I do like a lot) to get 80 receptions.Arguably the Cincy situation is also similar to NO. Colston is the Welker who is the AJ Green. But after that, what WR commanded a ton of targets? Here you have several decent guys (Meachem, Moore, Henderson). But none of them are tier 1 or tier 2 WRs.Same in Cincy. I actually like Sanu and am trying to acquire him in dynasty leagues. But right now - Sanu, Jones, Shipley aren't exactly tier 1 or tier 2 guys. So you have the one great WR (AJ) who will see a lot, but then who?7. He was 21st among TEs in standard scoring his rookie yr. He was 13th last yr in his 2nd season. But he missed two games. His pro-rated numbers would have put him at 11th. (Not a huge jump. But clearly 11th is better than 13th. He is knocking on the top 10 door regardless of all of the above.)Btw, the pro-rated #s would have been: 64-681-7.8. Not much of a running game. This is also like the NE (Gronk/Hernandez) offense. NE went to battle with BJGE, Ridley, Vareen, Woodhead, etc. Nothing spectacular there. Well if you aren't solid at the running game, try passing. And it worked out quite well for NE.Look at who Cincy will be going to battle with at the running game: BJGE, B.Scott. Nothing earth shattering there. I think it could be competent. But certainly I cannot see a run first team with that.I see no reason why this guy cannot make a nice jump this year.If I had to throw numbers on the board, I would guess something like: 72-865-9.No, that is certainly not Gronkowski or Graham level. Those guys did 90-1327-17 and 99-1310-11, respectively. But I really believe they are in their own tier. If you look over all the TEs last year though - 72-865-9 would have been good for 3rd overall TE. (Yup, better than Hernandez.)So that is my guess. I could definitely be wrong. I see so much talent at TE this year. Unless you play in a 16 team league - you should be able to get a guy good enough. This is how I see it: Gronk and Graham could easily be the best again. But this year you will have to pay a high price to get them. So even if they put up close to what they did last year - spending a first or second rounder on them doesn't exactly give you huge value.After them, there are many guys that I can see producingavis - top 10 for three straight yrs. So no one would be surprised if he did well.Finley - 5th overall last yr - has Rodgers - and might have been the most talked about player on these boards a year or so ago. So no one would be surprised if he did well.Hernandez - 3rd last yr. Still has Brady. No one would be surprised if he was right after the Gronk/Graham tier as he was already the first one after them.Then there are the guys that are considered the veteran TEs: Witten and Gates. But we aren't talking 35 yrs old here. One just turned 30; the other will turn 32 before the season begins. Witten has 5 straight yrs in the top 10 - 3 of which were as 1st or 2nd overall. Gates has 8 straight yrs in the top 10 - 7 of which were in the top 4.So my point (sorry if it is a little bit of a tangent):While people want to find the next Gronkowski or Graham, I am not certain it matters so much at TE this year. You can have Gronk or Graham - who should be great - but will be around a 2nd rounder. Or later in the draft you can have Davis, Finley, Hernandez, Witten, Gates. That's 7 TEs I would not mind having at all.But to bring this full circle - if we are taking a stab at who can end up in that tier 1 or top of tier 2 among TEs: I am going with Gresham first. My next choice is Celek. But that is a whole other story.ETA: Even if you don't get one of the 7 TEs I just mentioned, that next tier has some guys with pretty decent potential:- Gresham (as already mentioned)- Celek (as briefly mentioned)- Pettigrew- F.Davis- Fleener- CookI am not saying Pettgrew, Davis, or Fleener will put up Gronk/Graham #s, but they also won't cost nearly what those guys will.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
this is a great post! Davis is a stud-in-the-making..definitely under the radar..but coming off of an all-time great year for TE's I think they all move more towards the average, say 70 catches or so..meaning that while many GM's swing for the fences with Gronk and Graham, a guy like Witten remains the most consistent of the bunch, and he'll be overlooked and represents true draft value..
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Hear-the-Footsteps
Footballguy
EXACTLY!!! This was what I was trying to say, but didn't want to get too far away from the OP's topic (ie, looking for s/o who could jump into that top tier of TEs).The reason Gronk & Graham were on so many winning fantasy teams is simple:1. No one spent an early pick on either of them. Thus more time loading up on additional RBs or WRs. Or perhaps taking that stud QB early.2. Then later on, guys took one of these two. And they not only performed better than any TE taken before them (ie, Gates, Witten, Finley, etc), but did so by an enormous margin. I believe Gronk outperformed Hernandez (who was the #3 TE and many of us would have been very happy to have) by over 6pts/gm in ppr. That's like getting a free TD.So my thinking is:a) 2 guys this yr in every lg will have to spend very early picks to get those 2 this yr. Fine. They will have great players, but will have spent a lot for them.b) Others will want the next Gronk/Graham. So whether they believe that to be Gresham, Celek, Davis, Pettigrew, or whomever - if they are adamant about their belief in it being that guy - they may even pull the trigger a round earlier than their ADP just to get that TE bc they feel he is the next one.c) When you combine 'a' and 'b' - along with how many guys there are that I would be content having - I think I will probably hold off on TE this yr. Let everyone try to find the next great one and maybe Witten falls in your lap. Or Gates. Or Davis.And finally, I think this will happen again - ie, a guy getting taken mid-draft that performs like a top player. It happens every yr. But due to how insane Gronk/Graham were - everyone is already trying to do it again for the TE position. Maybe this year, something similar happens, but with a RB or a WR.Consider this:QB Newton - not even drafted in many leagues. Turned out to be a top 5 QB.RB M.Bush - drafted very late due to McFadden in Oak, but turned out to be a top 10 RB.WR - there were a ton of these guys (ie, Jordy Nelson, Victor Cruz, Laurent Robinson, Antonio Brown, etc). Not saying they were all drafted in the last rounds or not drafted at all. Just saying that they each demolished their draft position. Some of them were waiver guys.So I think this topic is great. I like trying to find the next guy before he emerges that way I can get a solid player at a cheap cost. But I just don't think we should have blinders on and only look towards TE b/c of what these two did.That being said, let me reiterate my two guesses for TEs that could find themselves in that top level: Gresham and Celek.I was Going to make the same point that Gronk/Graham value came from their draft position. They gave u a 4-7 point advantage over other teams, not including the advantage you had stockpiling wr/rb before you took a TE. If there will be another breakout TE I'm sold that that player will need to be the #1WR on a pass heavy offence(especially in the red zone). Other than that there is little separation between the rest of the pack.I entered this thread to throw in my two cents on Gresham. Ironically, Gresham was the guy thrown out there in the last two posts. So let me chime in as well.In no particular order...1. Former 1st rounder. So obviously considered talented.2. Got better from yr 1 to yr 2. Always good to see.3. No reason to think he can't get better in yr 3 just based on natural improvements, progressing, etc.4. Entering his 3rd yr means still young.5. Dalton was in his first yr. Dalton should be able to improve as well. This should help Gresham as well.6. Only 1 solid WR (AJ Green) on team. Let me elaborate more on this.Sure Cincy brought in some talent (drafted Sanu, Jones). But those guys, along with Shipley, Tate, etc - aren't seeing a ton of targets.So this is like NE's situation. Welker sees a lot...as should AJ. But after that, what did NE have last year in terms of guys they just had to target? Branch, Ochocinco, and Edelman (the 3 most targeted WRs after Welker) had a combined 70 receptions. Combined!So with one very solid guy (Welker / AJ Green) who will get his no matter what (even if double-teamed), there are still many targets to go around. This is not the case in a place like GB - where they have the high octane passing QB - but they have too many mouths to feed. Jennings, Nelson, Driver, Jones, Cobb, etc - make it hard for a TE (yes, even Finley who I do like a lot) to get 80 receptions.Arguably the Cincy situation is also similar to NO. Colston is the Welker who is the AJ Green. But after that, what WR commanded a ton of targets? Here you have several decent guys (Meachem, Moore, Henderson). But none of them are tier 1 or tier 2 WRs.Same in Cincy. I actually like Sanu and am trying to acquire him in dynasty leagues. But right now - Sanu, Jones, Shipley aren't exactly tier 1 or tier 2 guys. So you have the one great WR (AJ) who will see a lot, but then who?7. He was 21st among TEs in standard scoring his rookie yr. He was 13th last yr in his 2nd season. But he missed two games. His pro-rated numbers would have put him at 11th. (Not a huge jump. But clearly 11th is better than 13th. He is knocking on the top 10 door regardless of all of the above.)Btw, the pro-rated #s would have been: 64-681-7.8. Not much of a running game. This is also like the NE (Gronk/Hernandez) offense. NE went to battle with BJGE, Ridley, Vareen, Woodhead, etc. Nothing spectacular there. Well if you aren't solid at the running game, try passing. And it worked out quite well for NE.Look at who Cincy will be going to battle with at the running game: BJGE, B.Scott. Nothing earth shattering there. I think it could be competent. But certainly I cannot see a run first team with that.I see no reason why this guy cannot make a nice jump this year.If I had to throw numbers on the board, I would guess something like: 72-865-9.No, that is certainly not Gronkowski or Graham level. Those guys did 90-1327-17 and 99-1310-11, respectively. But I really believe they are in their own tier. If you look over all the TEs last year though - 72-865-9 would have been good for 3rd overall TE. (Yup, better than Hernandez.)So that is my guess. I could definitely be wrong. I see so much talent at TE this year. Unless you play in a 16 team league - you should be able to get a guy good enough. This is how I see it: Gronk and Graham could easily be the best again. But this year you will have to pay a high price to get them. So even if they put up close to what they did last year - spending a first or second rounder on them doesn't exactly give you huge value.After them, there are many guys that I can see producing
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
M. Bennett has ballooned up to 291 at the start of OTA's....that makes me think he's not going to be a good receiving TE.
msommer
Footballguy
I can't seem to understand the comments on Hernandez and Gronk. One says, "Hernandez is more like a WR" and then someone else says that "Hernandez stays in to block more". Which is it?
To a certain extent the same goes for Fleener and Allen. The pundits say that Luck will have his old TE protecting him, it was mentioned above that Allen doesn't block well, and then someone says that due to the chemistry between Fleener and Luck it makes sense that Allen will block more (although he apparenty doesn't do it well and Fleener does). Huh?
Last year Gronk had 17 TD catches. Let's just ponder that a moment. 17. that was almost a third of his points in ppr. Is it realistic to expect that again? Graham had 11. Hernandez 7. Gonzo 7. Witten 5. Pettigrew 5. Gates 7 (three missed games). V Davis 6. Keller 5. Finley 8.
Should the follow up question not be 'Can Gronk and Graham repeat'? IMHO Graham is more likely to than Gronk, since NEP has been bringing in WRs by the boatload, which I would guess means they want to tweak their offense (and yes, that mean bad things for Hernandez too).
The question behind the question asked by the OP is 'who will copy NEP and use their TEs like they do" and "who will have a dominant passing attack like NOS, without a big red zone target other than the TE"
The Colts might but their TEs are rookies. The Bears has Brandon Marshall. The Lions Megatron. The cupboard in MIN looks bare. TB? Can Dallas Clark still do it, is there a sleeper in the wings? CAR? Can Olson step up to be more Graham'esque? ATL - heir apparent to Gonzo? etc etc.
To a certain extent the same goes for Fleener and Allen. The pundits say that Luck will have his old TE protecting him, it was mentioned above that Allen doesn't block well, and then someone says that due to the chemistry between Fleener and Luck it makes sense that Allen will block more (although he apparenty doesn't do it well and Fleener does). Huh?
Last year Gronk had 17 TD catches. Let's just ponder that a moment. 17. that was almost a third of his points in ppr. Is it realistic to expect that again? Graham had 11. Hernandez 7. Gonzo 7. Witten 5. Pettigrew 5. Gates 7 (three missed games). V Davis 6. Keller 5. Finley 8.
Should the follow up question not be 'Can Gronk and Graham repeat'? IMHO Graham is more likely to than Gronk, since NEP has been bringing in WRs by the boatload, which I would guess means they want to tweak their offense (and yes, that mean bad things for Hernandez too).
The question behind the question asked by the OP is 'who will copy NEP and use their TEs like they do" and "who will have a dominant passing attack like NOS, without a big red zone target other than the TE"
The Colts might but their TEs are rookies. The Bears has Brandon Marshall. The Lions Megatron. The cupboard in MIN looks bare. TB? Can Dallas Clark still do it, is there a sleeper in the wings? CAR? Can Olson step up to be more Graham'esque? ATL - heir apparent to Gonzo? etc etc.
mvereb
Footballguy
I'm surprised Brandon Pettigrew isn't getting more love in this thread.
Pettigrew had a nice season last year, hauling 83 passes for 777 yards and 5 TDs. Alike Gronk, he has watched his production increase year over year before finally arriving. Calvin Johnson will always be the #1 target in the red zone, but he hasn't been the poster child for clean bills of health. If you believe in the dreaded 'Madden curse', someone will have to step up and take CJ's red zone looks. The Lions have virtually no ground game, so they'll need to air it out. TDs are the toughest statistic to predict, but with a little luck and a few injuries, Pettigrew could easily top 10 TDs and 1,000 yards. You can draft him in the ninth round as well. At that price and in the Lion offense, I'll take it any day of the week.
Pettigrew had a nice season last year, hauling 83 passes for 777 yards and 5 TDs. Alike Gronk, he has watched his production increase year over year before finally arriving. Calvin Johnson will always be the #1 target in the red zone, but he hasn't been the poster child for clean bills of health. If you believe in the dreaded 'Madden curse', someone will have to step up and take CJ's red zone looks. The Lions have virtually no ground game, so they'll need to air it out. TDs are the toughest statistic to predict, but with a little luck and a few injuries, Pettigrew could easily top 10 TDs and 1,000 yards. You can draft him in the ninth round as well. At that price and in the Lion offense, I'll take it any day of the week.
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Problem is his aDOT is one of the lowest in the football, at a 7.1. His YPR is only at 9.3. So he'd have to get around 110 catches for him to break 1000 yards. Or the Lions would have to drastically change his role. I see neither of the two happening. He's also no spring chicken, checking in at age 27. I thought he was younger.
read that at DC?
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I'll be honest, I don't think there is another tight end in the league that can put up those type of numbers. Gronkowski and Graham were about 50% better than the rest of the Tight Ends last season. Brent Celek and Vernon Davis scored only 50% of their points...and they were Top 12. I think the chances of you uncovering the player that can outproduce the field by 50% is remote at best. I personally don't think that player is out there. Sure there are breakout candidates. But you are much more likely to find the next Brandon Pettigrew who finished 6th. There is no way Pettigrew or Cook double their production. Just isn't going to happen. Even if Pettigrew jumped 30% in production (and I don't see why he would with the addition of Broyles and maturation of Titus), but lets say he did. He still barely gets to within 100 points of Gronkowski.
The answer to the OP is "Rob Gronkowski and Jimmy Graham." And I don't even think either of them gets 90% of what they got last season. There are more weapons in New England and we are looking at potentially catastrophic year downa Bayou.
The answer to the OP is "Rob Gronkowski and Jimmy Graham." And I don't even think either of them gets 90% of what they got last season. There are more weapons in New England and we are looking at potentially catastrophic year downa Bayou.
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