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The NEXT to 20 (TDs) (1 Viewer)

Soulfly3

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Only 2 receivers, as far as I know, have  ever smashed 20TDs in a single season. Obvious HoFers, Rice and Moss. 

Who, in your estimation, will be the next to reach that number? 

Closest in recent history, is Gronk, w 17 tds, followed by Dez, Graham and Megatron at 16. Think it gets done again, and if so...  Who? 

My bet: Mike Evans

 
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Josh Gordon when he's traded to the Pats.

(I know it's an overplayed joke but if I didn't do it now someone else would later)

Honestly I'd probably say Robinson or Evans. Both are young with improving QBs, and have already shown to be good at finding the endzone. However, if you told me it would happen this year, I'd say AB gets it on his 250 targets this season. 

 
Yes, it will happen again.

Evans is a pretty good guess.

My guess would be A.Cooper(OAK). 

- plays like a savvy vet at an early age so won't need the "ramp up" to dominate

- young QB/WR combo so won't have to endure the transition to a new QB(I even like the young backup) so you have a lot of spins of the wheel.

- complimentary weapons that are good enough to get the respect the defense, but not good enough to cut into targets

- RB that runs high, both increasing chance of injury and limiting top end of TD production... at least in the short term

- OL that could be dominant, allowing Cooper to exploit the full route tree making him close to impossible to stop

- Defense that is speculated to be much improved but is young and still has to build chemistry, sometimes these thing never gel like people envision

- defenses trending backwards in the division. How far will den backslide even if Miller doesn't join the team late, because the backslide is clearly coming? KC without Smith/Houston could look VERY different than people expect. SD can never get it together since Wade left..... now Bosa refusing to sign A SLOTTED CONTRACT?! Wtf? Great start. Ingram may be gone in less than a year. Liuget eating up ALL-PRO $ and is barely an NFL starter caliber player. 

- perhaps the biggest reason, if he can just catch the ball(which he has been really good at) he can't be stopped, and that is clearly under his own control. His own drops have been his biggest challenge being covered in the NFL.

I hate to put a jinx on anyone but if this guy stays healthy for his entire career he seems like one of the few very young players you can easily envision a path to Canton. He has all the tools to dominate all over the field now, but he runs such good routes you can envision him as "just" a pro-bowl type possession receiver in his 30's.

 
Top choice - Antonio Brown.  He's not your typical young tall, td scoring machine but if Ben stays healthy, it's within reach. 

#2 OBJ. sure Eli isn't young but he's good enough to get his star receiver the ball.  

Darkhorse candidate - Jimmy Graham.  Sure didn't look the part last year but if healthy... Maybe. 

 
Julio

Maybe out of nowhere but Travis Kelce. I swear I saw more RZ targets than 15 last year. It must be another player nearby or an uncatchable ball or somesuch.

Anyhow, (this is my reason for liking Chase so much too) the Chiefs usually rock in preseason. After moving the ball so well, they enter the season doing so too. At like week 5 or 6, Reid seems to remind them to be boring again and it drives me nuts. It looks great. It's working well. Why change it? But their preseason offense always has a TE as a key component- first or second option- near the goal line. I mean it's significant. Gronk Witten Coates Bavaro Sharpe Gates Gonzo...pick a guy, it's where the TE is a huge deal and then week 6 or 7 on they are just meh in the redzone.

Here- 2014 first four weeks, 8 targets and 4 TDs to the TE http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitAl03/red-zone-passing-plays/2014

2015 six targets in first five weeks http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitAl03/red-zone-passing-plays/2015 Surely I can find a thread here where people say Kelce would have caught a few of those.

Well, I'm telling ya if Reid ever uses his preseason offense for more than the first few weeks Kelce is going to be a star

 
Julio doesn't seem to even get 20 redzone targets but has the target volume otherwise and talent to get there if they should ever start. Brown/beckham have a shot. I suppose dez if both he and romo can stay healthy.  Evans/Robinson/Hopkins/cooper could get it done but hard to go that way for me due to qb youth. 

Aj green could have the talent but probably not with dalton. 

 
Beckham could do it. I do like the thought of Evans getting there. Could see that happening if Winston continues to develop.

 
This whole thing is probably an exercise in futility because it might be over a decade before someone does it again. But the best way to figure it out would be to work backwards. You're going to need at least 40 passing TDs from the QB. The number of offenses and/or QBs with that capability is pretty low. I'm guessing it could feasibly happen in Indy, Arizona, Carolina, Green Bay, NO, and Seattle. Both Brees and Palmer are getting old so they've got like a 2-3 year window (Brady will be too old the next time he has 16 games which is why NE was excluded, otherwise Gronk would be on the list). I realize Oakland and Jax both have young passers that hit the 30s last year, but I don't see 40+ happening - they both threw a ton of passes last year with minimal RB TDs.

Next, the guy needs to be able to both get deep AND be good in the red zone. Julio and OBJ would be good fits if their QBs threw enough TDs, but they don't. Antonio Brown is eliminated here (his historic TD/rec rate was way too low anyway). So, looking at the teams listed and this criteria, I've only got a few options:

Indy: Moncrief - speed and size, but I don't think he's actually good enough to warrant the targets needed.

Arizona: Floyd - best chance would be 2017 if he's brought back and Fitzgerald is gone, freeing up the targets he'd need. He's got the deep speed and the red zone size + ability. Palmer has never thrown 40, but he threw 35 on just 538 att last year. At that pace he'd need 615 att to hit 40 which is a realistic number in today's NFL.

Carolina: Benjamin - he's slow off the line but has a nice 5th gear so I guess it's possible, but I don't think that highly of him. Maybe Carolina will upgrade the position sometime in Newton's prime. Keep in mind Ted Ginn had 10 TDs last year on 97 targets and dropped 5-6 TDs (not hyperbole). If you put Julio on this team, he would be the odds on favorite to hit 20.

Green Bay: Jordy - the only problem is that Jordy probably has to do it this year or next since he's 31. He's good and Rodgers is great. Once had 15 TDs on 102 targets. But he's coming off injury and Rodgers spreads it around too much. The next guess would be Janis if he can put his game together. Has the size and speed, but is obviously a long shot.

NO: nobody - Brees spreads it around too much and nobody on this roster stands out in any way, much less has the ability to get deep AND be dominant in the red zone.

Seattle: Baldwin - he's not big or fast, but he did snag 14 TDs on 103 targets so I feel obligated to include him. I can't really see it happening for Baldwin, but this team will eventually be a pass first team and if you give Wilson 600 att, he's going to throw over 40 TDs. Maybe by the time that happens, he'll have a big, fast WR1. And an offensive line.

 
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Gronk. He's come the closest and is the best RZ weapon on a potent offense. Dez isn't a bad guess either. Anyone else and we are doing a crazy level of projecting. Beckham certainly could. I kind of like AJ Green though. Now that Cinci has lost so many of it's complimentary weapons, he could see a big year. Not likely to be 20 TD big, but who knows.

 
It probably doesn't happen since the ball gets spread around so much these days, but if it does, it has to be a QB who throws a ton and a WR who is absolutely dominant and his team's offense runs through him.  

OBJ, Cooper, Evans, Jordy, Gronk, Hilton are the best guesses.  Would take a perfect storm to happen.  And would require some serious development at QB for Carr and Winston.  OBJ and Cooper are my top two choices due to their team's lack of a strong run game and lack of strong compliment WR/TE.

I guess the dark horse here is Nuk Hopkins as we don't really know if his TD/REC ratio is going to change with a steady QB option and we don't know what Brock becomes just yet.  I can't imagine it happening though.

 
In keeping with the Evans idea,  if I could lay a few bucks on Dorial Green-Beckham as a long shot,  I would.  

I think you'd have to either be in an ideal situation,  and I mean ideal, or just be able to play above the rim,  like Evans and Moss. 

I'm not even a big DGB supporter,  in fact my posts in his thread are mostly negative.  

But if he were to put it together,  he's a deep threat,  as well as jump ball monster. 

 
In keeping with the Evans idea,  if I could lay a few bucks on Dorial Green-Beckham as a long shot,  I would.  

I think you'd have to either be in an ideal situation,  and I mean ideal, or just be able to play above the rim,  like Evans and Moss. 

I'm not even a big DGB supporter,  in fact my posts in his thread are mostly negative.  

But if he were to put it together,  he's a deep threat,  as well as jump ball monster. 
I'll second the DGB call, things could be lining up for him (season 3). I AM NOT A DGB OWNER.

Trim down/normalize Cam's goal line work and K Benjamin has an outside shot of 15+. 

Jordy Nelson, but his window is beginning to close in. 

Gronk. 

OBJ. 

 
Some time wthin the next ten yeara there will be yet another wave of rule changes that promote offense and scoring, and punish defensive prowess.

When that happens, multiple WRs will hit 20 in the same year, and the only question will be which one gets there first.

 
I'll second the DGB call, things could be lining up for him (season 3). I AM NOT A DGB OWNER.

Trim down/normalize Cam's goal line work and K Benjamin has an outside shot of 15+. 

Jordy Nelson, but his window is beginning to close in. 

Gronk. 

OBJ. 
Call me very skeptical on that call - at least until Olsen retires.  Frankly, I'd almost bet on Olsen over KB but neither is likely any time soon.

 
Look at schemes- probably not an existing one but perhaps a young OC will ignite things. Anyone have thoughts along those lines? I guess any chance I have to say Jim bob cooter.....

 
I guess we can't rule out anything crazy like Martellius Bennett right?  I can see his 2016 stat line now....  26 receptions for 112 yards and 22 touchdowns(mostly 1 yarders)  Still only finishes as TE 8 on the year.

Or it will be something fluky like Moritz Boehringer the year Teddy Bridgewater throws for 50TDs

 
Tim Wright had very few targets and finished with 8 TDs.

I think Gronk, or Bennett if he really gets it could reach 20 even just this year.

Would be dream if the Pats could resign Bennett somehow.

 
I am surprised there are so many folks suggesting WR/QB combos that only have a 2-3 year window.
Really hard to predict situations that are conducive to a 20 TD receiver beyond a few years. Guessing guys like DGB is like throwing darts with your eyes closed - we don't know if he'll be any good nor do we know if his offense will ever pass for 40+ TDs. Carr will need to make a leap to support Cooper hitting 20 (and Cooper will need to stop dropping passes). At this point the only realistic guesses we can make are by cross checking guys that are proven to have the ability and systems that can support it. Makes for a very short list with a narrow window of opportunity due to either WR age or QB age.

Calvin who was dominant both deep and in the red zone only had 16 TDs on 175 targets when his QB threw 41 TDs. These people citing OBJ really need a new QB with a prolific offense for him to ever approach 20 TDs.

Randy Moss had 23 on 159 targets from a QB with 50 PTD. Granted, 11 of his TDs came while "leading big" so if you can find a coach dedicated to getting his QB the TD record via running up the score, you just might find your next 20 TD WR. (When Peyton threw 49 TDs in 2004 on 497 attemps, he attempted 79 passes for 6 TDs while leading big, Brady in 2007 threw 213 passes while leading big for 20 TDs for a total of 50 TDs on 578 attempts).

 
20 receiving TDs means it has to be a receiver who is at least 35% of the offensive and it has to be a team that is going to score 60+ total TDs

OR

Its going to have to be a guy who just flat out inordinately gets ALL the love due to scheme, injuries to others, or some fluky circumstance where some dude has one of those "D. Freeman unreal runs" for about 3 weeks. 

So, I'm immediately ruling out looking at it as a "who's the elite talent guy because this happens so rarely, if that was it, it would happen every now and again.

My best combo of talent + the things listed above: 

Dez Bryant

Aj Green

Keenan Allen

Julio Jones

If I had to put money on it and bet, I'd say Julio or Dez because in those divisions, you absolutely can find yourself in those wacky shootouts for 2-3 weeks at a time and a guy could end up with a 3 week, 5 TD performance.  So, if they can find that handful of games where they can double up on TDs, sure. 

Allen would be my dark horse but maybe least surprising. I can see Gates hurt...again...all these other guys just being guys and Rivers just peppering Allen to the tune of a COUPLE of 3 tds games.  Hey, if you get 6 in two games, you got it if you can average just a smidge UNDER a td a game at that point.

 
Really hard to predict situations that are conducive to a 20 TD receiver beyond a few years. Guessing guys like DGB is like throwing darts with your eyes closed - we don't know if he'll be any good nor do we know if his offense will ever pass for 40+ TDs. Carr will need to make a leap to support Cooper hitting 20 (and Cooper will need to stop dropping passes). At this point the only realistic guesses we can make are by cross checking guys that are proven to have the ability and systems that can support it. Makes for a very short list with a narrow window of opportunity due to either WR age or QB age.

Calvin who was dominant both deep and in the red zone only had 16 TDs on 175 targets when his QB threw 41 TDs. These people citing OBJ really need a new QB with a prolific offense for him to ever approach 20 TDs.

Randy Moss had 23 on 159 targets from a QB with 50 PTD. Granted, 11 of his TDs came while "leading big" so if you can find a coach dedicated to getting his QB the TD record via running up the score, you just might find your next 20 TD WR. (When Peyton threw 49 TDs in 2004 on 497 attemps, he attempted 79 passes for 6 TDs while leading big, Brady in 2007 threw 213 passes while leading big for 20 TDs for a total of 50 TDs on 578 attempts).
I dunno...Eli also threw 35 TDs last year as with Palmer, plus he's a year younger.  Yes he threw a lot more but I don't see why he couldn't hit that mark of 40 that you mentioned.  Beckham is already averaging nearly a TD/game in his young career, he likely hasn't had his best season yet.

 
Eli isn't afraid to risk interceptions for a big play. Eli is going to be motivated this year now that his brother has as many SB wins as him. 

 
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I dunno...Eli also threw 35 TDs last year as with Palmer, plus he's a year younger.  Yes he threw a lot more but I don't see why he couldn't hit that mark of 40 that you mentioned.  Beckham is already averaging nearly a TD/game in his young career, he likely hasn't had his best season yet.
You answered your own question there. Eli threw 35 on 618 passes while Palmer did it on 538. I can't really see Eli increasing his pass attempts enough to hit 40. And he's just not that efficient of a QB to hit 40 TDs on fewer passes. And I agree Beckham is good, but I just think he'll need a better QB to actually hit 20 TDs.

 
You answered your own question there. Eli threw 35 on 618 passes while Palmer did it on 538. I can't really see Eli increasing his pass attempts enough to hit 40. And he's just not that efficient of a QB to hit 40 TDs on fewer passes. And I agree Beckham is good, but I just think he'll need a better QB to actually hit 20 TDs.
Fair enough

 
Any of the top players can certainly achieve this plateau, but I believe it will be a WR to do it next. Teams pass at the GL a ton now.

 
Doug Baldwin... not because I believe in him, but just because he's so freaking angry and he will show the world that he's the best and worth more money than he got for!

 
Call me very skeptical on that call - at least until Olsen retires.  Frankly, I'd almost bet on Olsen over KB but neither is likely any time soon.
Seems unlikely since in one season KB put up more TDs than Olsen has ever scored in a year.

 
Mike Evans

But probably not this season. :)  

* As noted, Moss had 23 TDs when Brady had 50 in 2007.

Manning had 55 in 2013 but they were more distributed, Demaryius Thomas had 14, Julius Thomas 12, Eric Decker 11 (accounting for 37 and leaving 18 TDs).

I could see Winston with eventual 40 TD upside. He just joined Newton and Luck as the only rookie QBs with 4,000+ yards, and is the only one to do it at 21. His rookie TD/INT ratio was also comparable to/better than the above two.

 
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I guess we can't rule out anything crazy like Martellius Bennett right?  I can see his 2016 stat line now....  26 receptions for 112 yards and 22 touchdowns(mostly 1 yarders)  Still only finishes as TE 8 on the year.

Or it will be something fluky like Moritz Boehringer the year Teddy Bridgewater throws for 50TDs
Boehringer won't have 20 catches in a season, let alone 20 TDs.

 

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