The NFL hates T.O. (1 Viewer)

[daveandken]

With all these threads you would think Dallas lost the game.In before "Dallas would have won by 50 if the refs weren't cheaters" comments.

Notice how the OP states that he isnt even a Cowboy fan.But of course you would know that someone would come in here to rip on the Cowboys.

It was more of a shot on the fans. Hey, reading comprehension isn't for everybody.

Fans was implied. Notice how the sentence before reads 'Cowboy fan'. But I guess understanding simple juxtaposition and context clues is too complicated for you.

 

[drdgreenlove]

all 3 calls were terrible..1 TO did not spike the ball the ball..and for the record you can spike it out of bound and not be penalized..2 he was pushed out..his body was moving upfield not towards the sideline utill he got pushed..his outside foot was inbounds which means his inside foot would definately been in...3 their was obvious contact on the 2pt conversion try before the ball got there...TO haters and dallas haters will see things differently..but dallas won so it really doesnt matter...

You can argue it was a pushout.. however, TO's performance last night was consistent with a lack of devotion or effort.... On the ?able force out, he made no effort to get 2 feet in bounds. Sure he was pushed a little but he didn't try getting the other foot down.He dropped a few passes, sometimes because he didn't want to be bothered by a few yard gainAnd he should have caught the 2 point conversion but didnt have the will in him to hold on to the ball...There wasn't enough contact on the conversion to call that.And if you are going to argue for TO, how about the 30 yards in peanlties that should have been called on the Dallas D- Roy Williams Collar followed by a late hit out of bounds on the same playAnd for the record I have TO on my team.

 

[sheckiec]

I'm a Bills fan...and I WAS watching the game in HDTV.

My take:

Spike: Watch it again. He clearly flipped the ball, backhanded, 7 yards downfield. According to my Official NFL Rulebook, it was a good call.

Force Out: Judgement call. Could have gone either way and I wouldn't have complained if they called it a good catch.

2 Pt Conversion: Clearly pass interference. Greer touched TO before the ball got there.

The play that really burned me was the play where Roy Williams clearly Horse Collared the Bills RB, who was then hit very late out of bounds. Apparently all of the officials on the field were concentrating on the "incidental" face mask penalty.

Also, all 3 ESPN announcers should be fired for kissing Trent Edwards' a** all night.

 

[Schrute]

With all these threads you would think Dallas lost the game.In before "Dallas would have won by 50 if the refs weren't cheaters" comments.

Notice how the OP states that he isnt even a Cowboy fan.But of course you would know that someone would come in here to rip on the Cowboys.

My guess is he has TO in FF though.

Already said I don't have T.O. either. In my three leagues, I have one Cowboy in one league - Witten. So I have no personal agenda here.

 

[The Ref]

There is obviously a shortage of good Refs in the NFL. I suggest you buy a whistle and jersey and head down to your local high school game and see exactly how easy it is, and how bad these so called professionals are.

My guess is you have a different appreciation for how good these guys really are after 10 minutes.

 

[daveandken]

Also, all 3 ESPN announcers should be fired for kissing Trent Edwards' a** all night.

Seriously, what has this guy done to deserve the attention he was given last night?The ONLY reason the bills were in the game was the egg Romo layed. The Bills offense was horrible.

 

[Schrute]

I'm a Bills fan...and I WAS watching the game in HDTV. My take:Spike: Watch it again. He clearly flipped the ball, backhanded, 7 yards downfield. According to my Official NFL Rulebook, it was a good call.Force Out: Judgement call. Could have gone either way and I wouldn't have complained if they called it a good catch.2 Pt Conversion: Clearly pass interference. Greer touched TO before the ball got there.The play that really burned me was the play where Roy Williams clearly Horse Collared the Bills RB, who was then hit very late out of bounds. Apparently all of the officials on the field were concentrating on the "incidental" face mask penalty.Also, all 3 ESPN announcers should be fired for kissing Trent Edwards' a** all night.

Yes, the no-call on the horse collar was ridiculous too.

 

[brettdj]

There is obviously a shortage of good Refs in the NFL. I suggest you buy a whistle and jersey and head down to your local high school game and see exactly how easy it is, and how bad these so called professionals are. My guess is you have a different appreciation for how good these guys really are after 10 minutes.

I do about 20 HS varsity/yearNext year I expect to do some Div 3 college. The NFL guys are obviously some of the best. Some of the Div.1 guys might be better, but someone sitting on their couch is nowhere near the official these guys are.

 

[Schrute]

There is obviously a shortage of good Refs in the NFL. I suggest you buy a whistle and jersey and head down to your local high school game and see exactly how easy it is, and how bad these so called professionals are. My guess is you have a different appreciation for how good these guys really are after 10 minutes.

I do about 20 HS varsity/yearNext year I expect to do some Div 3 college. The NFL guys are obviously some of the best. Some of the Div.1 guys might be better, but someone sitting on their couch is nowhere near the official these guys are.

Actually, I'd think someone on their couch would be a much better official than these guys. We have access to slow-motion replays. Obviously the NFL agrees with me since they implemented a replay system that incorporates the use of a TV.

 

[brettdj]

There is obviously a shortage of good Refs in the NFL. I suggest you buy a whistle and jersey and head down to your local high school game and see exactly how easy it is, and how bad these so called professionals are. My guess is you have a different appreciation for how good these guys really are after 10 minutes.

I do about 20 HS varsity/yearNext year I expect to do some Div 3 college. The NFL guys are obviously some of the best. Some of the Div.1 guys might be better, but someone sitting on their couch is nowhere near the official these guys are.

Actually, I'd think someone on their couch would be a much better official than these guys. We have access to slow-motion replays. Obviously the NFL agrees with me since they implemented a replay system that incorporates the use of a TV.

Yep, you and the anouncers. Because you know the rules better than guys who study the rules. So they have the officials use replay 6 times a game?

 

[831hoops]

Spike has been called like that all season. Just put the ball down, don't flip it, spike it, spin it, roll it, just hand it to an official or leave it lay on the ground.

Catch on sideline is purely judgement, at full speed it looked like TO was hit as/after his first foot hit in and the 2nd foot was across the line.

2-point conversion (just watched the replay): TO could have been called for OPI for pushing off. The defender did not hit the ball until after it was in his hands, before he controlled it.

Looks like somebody has some rosy glasses.

From another perspective...1) He didnt spike it. He dropped it. Horrible call.

2) Sideline catch - it looked to me in full speed like he got hit before going out.

3) Watch again, TO didnt push off - Greer was all over him. Who cares when he hit the ball? He had his hands all over TO.

Calling out the rosy glasses is pretty ironic when your take is pretty clearly homer on the opposite side. Pot, meet kettle.

The truth is obviously somewhere in between. He got some bad calls, but they werent out to get him.

Get a clue. He did not drop the ball. he tossed it upfield. The penalty is delay of game, not unsportsmanlike conduct so any action that delays the officials from spotting the ball is flagged. ESPN didn't show the flag graphic immediately and I was curious as to why as this has been getting called all season.

 

[daveandken]

Get a clue. He did not drop the ball. he tossed it upfield. The penalty is delay of game, not unsportsmanlike conduct so any action that delays the officials from spotting the ball is flagged. ESPN didn't show the flag graphic immediately and I was curious as to why as this has been getting called all season.

Get a clue?I state my opinion and you turn into Internet Tough guy.

I was watching the play too. He made no upward motion on the ball. He did not spike it. He swung his arm and let go. It dribbled a couple yards up the field TOWARD an official. It actually made the ball spotted faster.

Enough with the tough guy schtick. I can have an opinion. Noone cares about your ego around here.

 

[Bankerguy]

There is obviously a shortage of good Refs in the NFL. I suggest you buy a whistle and jersey and head down to your local high school game and see exactly how easy it is, and how bad these so called professionals are. My guess is you have a different appreciation for how good these guys really are after 10 minutes.

I do about 20 HS varsity/yearNext year I expect to do some Div 3 college. The NFL guys are obviously some of the best. Some of the Div.1 guys might be better, but someone sitting on their couch is nowhere near the official these guys are.

Actually, I'd think someone on their couch would be a much better official than these guys. We have access to slow-motion replays. Obviously the NFL agrees with me since they implemented a replay system that incorporates the use of a TV.

Yep, you and the anouncers. Because you know the rules better than guys who study the rules. So they have the officials use replay 6 times a game?

Well sometimes the do still screw up on easy stuff. Dallas game......sacked the QB on 4th down yet the ref winds the clock to let the half run out. This is a rule children know.

 

[Gargoylez]

The best is it took 2 seconds to recover the onside kick. Took close to 4-5 seconds. The incomplete pass took 5 seconds? No try 6-7.

If the ref's did their job, Buffalo wins.

Since they didn't... Dallas wins.

So Dallas whiners, it went both ways for bad calls.

 

[drdgreenlove]

Get a clue. He did not drop the ball. he tossed it upfield. The penalty is delay of game, not unsportsmanlike conduct so any action that delays the officials from spotting the ball is flagged. ESPN didn't show the flag graphic immediately and I was curious as to why as this has been getting called all season.

Get a clue?I state my opinion and you turn into Internet Tough guy.

I was watching the play too. He made no upward motion on the ball. He did not spike it. He swung his arm and let go. It dribbled a couple yards up the field TOWARD an official. It actually made the ball spotted faster.

Enough with the tough guy schtick. I can have an opinion. Noone cares about your ego around here.

well you're wrong about TO but right about the attitude on this board... everyone seems to have a need to be snarky or flex their keyboard muscles here and throughout the internet..

 

[daveandken]

Get a clue. He did not drop the ball. he tossed it upfield. The penalty is delay of game, not unsportsmanlike conduct so any action that delays the officials from spotting the ball is flagged. ESPN didn't show the flag graphic immediately and I was curious as to why as this has been getting called all season.

Get a clue?I state my opinion and you turn into Internet Tough guy.

I was watching the play too. He made no upward motion on the ball. He did not spike it. He swung his arm and let go. It dribbled a couple yards up the field TOWARD an official. It actually made the ball spotted faster.

Enough with the tough guy schtick. I can have an opinion. Noone cares about your ego around here.

well you're wrong about TO but right about the attitude on this board... everyone seems to have a need to be snarky or flex their keyboard muscles here and throughout the internet..

I respect your opinion. I see how it can be seen the other way.Maybe the bigger problem is that instances like this don't apply to the intent of the rule. In no way did it slow down the game - the ball trickled directly to the official. In no way was he attempting to delay the game. And he wasnt show boating - no spike involved.

 

[drdgreenlove]

off topic but...

Here was my problem with the game:

4th quarter:

1-10-DAL 48 (9:51) 23-M.Lynch left end pushed ob at DAL 46 for 2 yards (31-R.Williams). PENALTY on DAL-31-R.Williams, Face Mask (5 Yards), 5 yards, enforced at DAL 46.

1-3-DAL 41 (9:28) 5-T.Edwards pass short right to 31-D.Wright pushed ob at DAL 37 for 4 yards (41-T.Newman). Swing pass, caught at DAL 47.

wman to BUF 25 for 70 yards (83-L.Evans). FUMBLES (83-L.Evans), recovered by DAL-90-J.Ratliff at BUF 17. 90-J.Ratliff to BUF 17 for no gain (5-T.Edwards).

Now you never know what happens if one play is changed...

But this play is where Roy horse collared and the other guy hit Lynch late....

It should have been a 30 yard penalty (2 unsportsmanlike conducts which I think add up)..

that would have put the ball at the Dallas 16???

Sure Edwards could have thrown a pick or Evans could have fumbled.. but that would have been an easy 3 points

 

[daveandken]

off topic but...Here was my problem with the game:4th quarter: 1-10-DAL 48 (9:51) 23-M.Lynch left end pushed ob at DAL 46 for 2 yards (31-R.Williams). PENALTY on DAL-31-R.Williams, Face Mask (5 Yards), 5 yards, enforced at DAL 46.1-3-DAL 41 (9:28) 5-T.Edwards pass short right to 31-D.Wright pushed ob at DAL 37 for 4 yards (41-T.Newman). Swing pass, caught at DAL 47.wman to BUF 25 for 70 yards (83-L.Evans). FUMBLES (83-L.Evans), recovered by DAL-90-J.Ratliff at BUF 17. 90-J.Ratliff to BUF 17 for no gain (5-T.Edwards).Now you never know what happens if one play is changed...But this play is where Roy horse collared and the other guy hit Lynch late....It should have been a 30 yard penalty (2 unsportsmanlike conducts which I think add up)..that would have put the ball at the Dallas 16???Sure Edwards could have thrown a pick or Evans could have fumbled.. but that would have been an easy 3 points

Horsecollar should have been called but the ref was focusing on the facemask.Late hit was very close, and newman was in the air before Lynch went OB.Another bad call by the refs overall though, I agree. There were several in this game.

 

[ChrisHenrysDD]

With all these threads you would think Dallas lost the game.In before "Dallas would have won by 50 if the refs weren't cheaters" comments.

Notice how the OP states that he isnt even a Cowboy fan.But of course you would know that someone would come in here to rip on the Cowboys.

It was more of a shot on the fans. Hey, reading comprehension isn't for everybody.

Fans was implied. Notice how the sentence before reads 'Cowboy fan'. But I guess understanding simple juxtaposition and context clues is too complicated for you.

You make close to zero sense an can back pedal faster than most of the Cowboys secondary, they should sign you.

 

[daveandken]

With all these threads you would think Dallas lost the game.In before "Dallas would have won by 50 if the refs weren't cheaters" comments.

Notice how the OP states that he isnt even a Cowboy fan.But of course you would know that someone would come in here to rip on the Cowboys.

It was more of a shot on the fans. Hey, reading comprehension isn't for everybody.

Fans was implied. Notice how the sentence before reads 'Cowboy fan'. But I guess understanding simple juxtaposition and context clues is too complicated for you.

You make close to zero sense an can back pedal faster than most of the Cowboys secondary, they should sign you.

Dude, the "reading comprehension isn't for everyone" garbage does not belong on this forum. I shot down your post and you didn't like it so you attempt to attack my ability to read. Unfortunately it was your OWN ability to comprehend simple context clues that was the problem.If you don't want to talk football, please leave.

 

[TxBuckeye]

Get a clue. He did not drop the ball. he tossed it upfield. The penalty is delay of game, not unsportsmanlike conduct so any action that delays the officials from spotting the ball is flagged. ESPN didn't show the flag graphic immediately and I was curious as to why as this has been getting called all season.

Get a clue?I state my opinion and you turn into Internet Tough guy.

I was watching the play too. He made no upward motion on the ball. He did not spike it. He swung his arm and let go. It dribbled a couple yards up the field TOWARD an official. It actually made the ball spotted faster.

Enough with the tough guy schtick. I can have an opinion. Noone cares about your ego around here.

Where did he act like a tough guy?

 

[mad sweeney]

off topic but...Here was my problem with the game:4th quarter: 1-10-DAL 48 (9:51) 23-M.Lynch left end pushed ob at DAL 46 for 2 yards (31-R.Williams). PENALTY on DAL-31-R.Williams, Face Mask (5 Yards), 5 yards, enforced at DAL 46.1-3-DAL 41 (9:28) 5-T.Edwards pass short right to 31-D.Wright pushed ob at DAL 37 for 4 yards (41-T.Newman). Swing pass, caught at DAL 47.wman to BUF 25 for 70 yards (83-L.Evans). FUMBLES (83-L.Evans), recovered by DAL-90-J.Ratliff at BUF 17. 90-J.Ratliff to BUF 17 for no gain (5-T.Edwards).Now you never know what happens if one play is changed...But this play is where Roy horse collared and the other guy hit Lynch late....It should have been a 30 yard penalty (2 unsportsmanlike conducts which I think add up)..that would have put the ball at the Dallas 16???Sure Edwards could have thrown a pick or Evans could have fumbled.. but that would have been an easy 3 points

Missing the horse collar was HUGE. Unless zero officials were looking at the ball carrier I can't imagine what kept the flag in their pants. It was the very definition of a horse collar BY THE GUY THE RULE IS NAMED AFTER!!!! The refs should be fined for that non-call and Williams should be fined heavily for this repeat violation as well as put on notice that his next horsecollar will result in a suspension. Absolutley the biggest failure of the refs of the evening. Unfathomable how they missed it. It's actually worse than missing 12 guys on the field in the replay booth.

 

[GoinDeep]

Just noticed this thread and havent read what has been said....but I am very glad that someone esle has noticed this obscene trend! While everyone is talking about the game....I am still LIVID about the "spike" call!

Are you friggin kidding me?!?!

There HAS to be a complaint filed with the league on this. The guy can hardly catch a pass and walk back to the huddle without drawing a flag. Bias is one thing, obvious discrimination is another.

 

[831hoops]

Get a clue. He did not drop the ball. he tossed it upfield. The penalty is delay of game, not unsportsmanlike conduct so any action that delays the officials from spotting the ball is flagged. ESPN didn't show the flag graphic immediately and I was curious as to why as this has been getting called all season.

Get a clue?I state my opinion and you turn into Internet Tough guy.

I was watching the play too. He made no upward motion on the ball. He did not spike it. He swung his arm and let go. It dribbled a couple yards up the field TOWARD an official. It actually made the ball spotted faster.

Enough with the tough guy schtick. I can have an opinion. Noone cares about your ego around here.

I don't know how me questioning your observation skills equates to me pounding my chest, but whatever.He tossed the ball downfield as he turned to walk back to the huddle. He wasn't even looking where he threw it and the ball went off the television screen, so I don't see how anyone is coming to the conclusion that he threw it to an official. This has been getting called all season. I don't see what the confusion is all about. As stated in my earlier post, I was actually surprised when it looked like it wasn't going to be called.

The rules committee made this a delay penalty, not unsportsmanlike conduct to take as much interpretation away from the officials as possible.

 

[831hoops]

Get a clue. He did not drop the ball. he tossed it upfield. The penalty is delay of game, not unsportsmanlike conduct so any action that delays the officials from spotting the ball is flagged. ESPN didn't show the flag graphic immediately and I was curious as to why as this has been getting called all season.

Get a clue?I state my opinion and you turn into Internet Tough guy.

I was watching the play too. He made no upward motion on the ball. He did not spike it. He swung his arm and let go. It dribbled a couple yards up the field TOWARD an official. It actually made the ball spotted faster.

Enough with the tough guy schtick. I can have an opinion. Noone cares about your ego around here.

Where did he act like a tough guy?

 

[831hoops]

Just noticed this thread and havent read what has been said....but I am very glad that someone esle has noticed this obscene trend! While everyone is talking about the game....I am still LIVID about the "spike" call!Are you friggin kidding me?!?!There HAS to be a complaint filed with the league on this. The guy can hardly catch a pass and walk back to the huddle without drawing a flag. Bias is one thing, obvious discrimination is another.

Why does everyone refer to it as "the spike call"?

 

[Bankerguy]

Get a clue. He did not drop the ball. he tossed it upfield. The penalty is delay of game, not unsportsmanlike conduct so any action that delays the officials from spotting the ball is flagged. ESPN didn't show the flag graphic immediately and I was curious as to why as this has been getting called all season.

Get a clue?I state my opinion and you turn into Internet Tough guy.

I was watching the play too. He made no upward motion on the ball. He did not spike it. He swung his arm and let go. It dribbled a couple yards up the field TOWARD an official. It actually made the ball spotted faster.

Enough with the tough guy schtick. I can have an opinion. Noone cares about your ego around here.

I don't know how me questioning your observation skills equates to me pounding my chest, but whatever.He tossed the ball downfield as he turned to walk back to the huddle. He wasn't even looking where he threw it and the ball went off the television screen, so I don't see how anyone is coming to the conclusion that he threw it to an official. This has been getting called all season. I don't see what the confusion is all about. As stated in my earlier post, I was actually surprised when it looked like it wasn't going to be called.

The rules committee made this a delay penalty, not unsportsmanlike conduct to take as much interpretation away from the officials as possible.

So how close to the ref does the ball need to be thrown to? Should coaches start working on this during practice? I'm not a fan of hard and fast rules that give no judgement to the refs. Just my 0.02. Was he trying to delay the game? F no.

 

[831hoops]

Get a clue. He did not drop the ball. he tossed it upfield. The penalty is delay of game, not unsportsmanlike conduct so any action that delays the officials from spotting the ball is flagged. ESPN didn't show the flag graphic immediately and I was curious as to why as this has been getting called all season.

Get a clue?I state my opinion and you turn into Internet Tough guy.

I was watching the play too. He made no upward motion on the ball. He did not spike it. He swung his arm and let go. It dribbled a couple yards up the field TOWARD an official. It actually made the ball spotted faster.

Enough with the tough guy schtick. I can have an opinion. Noone cares about your ego around here.

I don't know how me questioning your observation skills equates to me pounding my chest, but whatever.He tossed the ball downfield as he turned to walk back to the huddle. He wasn't even looking where he threw it and the ball went off the television screen, so I don't see how anyone is coming to the conclusion that he threw it to an official. This has been getting called all season. I don't see what the confusion is all about. As stated in my earlier post, I was actually surprised when it looked like it wasn't going to be called.

The rules committee made this a delay penalty, not unsportsmanlike conduct to take as much interpretation away from the officials as possible.

So how close to the ref does the ball need to be thrown to? Should coaches start working on this during practice? I'm not a fan of hard and fast rules that give no judgement to the refs. Just my 0.02. Was he trying to delay the game? F no.

I'm sure most of delay of game penalties are unintended, yet they are still called. This probably the case with the majority of penalties.

 

[Bankerguy]

Get a clue. He did not drop the ball. he tossed it upfield. The penalty is delay of game, not unsportsmanlike conduct so any action that delays the officials from spotting the ball is flagged. ESPN didn't show the flag graphic immediately and I was curious as to why as this has been getting called all season.

Get a clue?I state my opinion and you turn into Internet Tough guy.

I was watching the play too. He made no upward motion on the ball. He did not spike it. He swung his arm and let go. It dribbled a couple yards up the field TOWARD an official. It actually made the ball spotted faster.

Enough with the tough guy schtick. I can have an opinion. Noone cares about your ego around here.

I don't know how me questioning your observation skills equates to me pounding my chest, but whatever.He tossed the ball downfield as he turned to walk back to the huddle. He wasn't even looking where he threw it and the ball went off the television screen, so I don't see how anyone is coming to the conclusion that he threw it to an official. This has been getting called all season. I don't see what the confusion is all about. As stated in my earlier post, I was actually surprised when it looked like it wasn't going to be called.

The rules committee made this a delay penalty, not unsportsmanlike conduct to take as much interpretation away from the officials as possible.

So how close to the ref does the ball need to be thrown to? Should coaches start working on this during practice? I'm not a fan of hard and fast rules that give no judgement to the refs. Just my 0.02. Was he trying to delay the game? F no.

I'm sure most of delay of game penalties are unintended, yet they are still called. This probably the case with the majority of penalties.

OK so then how far away is too far? Who has the rule book handy?

 

[831hoops]

Get a clue. He did not drop the ball. he tossed it upfield. The penalty is delay of game, not unsportsmanlike conduct so any action that delays the officials from spotting the ball is flagged. ESPN didn't show the flag graphic immediately and I was curious as to why as this has been getting called all season.

Get a clue?I state my opinion and you turn into Internet Tough guy.

I was watching the play too. He made no upward motion on the ball. He did not spike it. He swung his arm and let go. It dribbled a couple yards up the field TOWARD an official. It actually made the ball spotted faster.

Enough with the tough guy schtick. I can have an opinion. Noone cares about your ego around here.

I don't know how me questioning your observation skills equates to me pounding my chest, but whatever.He tossed the ball downfield as he turned to walk back to the huddle. He wasn't even looking where he threw it and the ball went off the television screen, so I don't see how anyone is coming to the conclusion that he threw it to an official. This has been getting called all season. I don't see what the confusion is all about. As stated in my earlier post, I was actually surprised when it looked like it wasn't going to be called.

The rules committee made this a delay penalty, not unsportsmanlike conduct to take as much interpretation away from the officials as possible.

So how close to the ref does the ball need to be thrown to? Should coaches start working on this during practice? I'm not a fan of hard and fast rules that give no judgement to the refs. Just my 0.02. Was he trying to delay the game? F no.

I'm sure most of delay of game penalties are unintended, yet they are still called. This probably the case with the majority of penalties.

OK so then how far away is too far? Who has the rule book handy?

 

[Bankerguy]

Get a clue. He did not drop the ball. he tossed it upfield. The penalty is delay of game, not unsportsmanlike conduct so any action that delays the officials from spotting the ball is flagged. ESPN didn't show the flag graphic immediately and I was curious as to why as this has been getting called all season.

Get a clue?I state my opinion and you turn into Internet Tough guy.

I was watching the play too. He made no upward motion on the ball. He did not spike it. He swung his arm and let go. It dribbled a couple yards up the field TOWARD an official. It actually made the ball spotted faster.

Enough with the tough guy schtick. I can have an opinion. Noone cares about your ego around here.

I don't know how me questioning your observation skills equates to me pounding my chest, but whatever.He tossed the ball downfield as he turned to walk back to the huddle. He wasn't even looking where he threw it and the ball went off the television screen, so I don't see how anyone is coming to the conclusion that he threw it to an official. This has been getting called all season. I don't see what the confusion is all about. As stated in my earlier post, I was actually surprised when it looked like it wasn't going to be called.

The rules committee made this a delay penalty, not unsportsmanlike conduct to take as much interpretation away from the officials as possible.

So how close to the ref does the ball need to be thrown to? Should coaches start working on this during practice? I'm not a fan of hard and fast rules that give no judgement to the refs. Just my 0.02. Was he trying to delay the game? F no.

I'm sure most of delay of game penalties are unintended, yet they are still called. This probably the case with the majority of penalties.

OK so then how far away is too far? Who has the rule book handy?

I agree.Just trying to show how silly the rule is.

 

[831hoops]

Get a clue. He did not drop the ball. he tossed it upfield. The penalty is delay of game, not unsportsmanlike conduct so any action that delays the officials from spotting the ball is flagged. ESPN didn't show the flag graphic immediately and I was curious as to why as this has been getting called all season.

Get a clue?I state my opinion and you turn into Internet Tough guy.

I was watching the play too. He made no upward motion on the ball. He did not spike it. He swung his arm and let go. It dribbled a couple yards up the field TOWARD an official. It actually made the ball spotted faster.

Enough with the tough guy schtick. I can have an opinion. Noone cares about your ego around here.

I don't know how me questioning your observation skills equates to me pounding my chest, but whatever.He tossed the ball downfield as he turned to walk back to the huddle. He wasn't even looking where he threw it and the ball went off the television screen, so I don't see how anyone is coming to the conclusion that he threw it to an official. This has been getting called all season. I don't see what the confusion is all about. As stated in my earlier post, I was actually surprised when it looked like it wasn't going to be called.

The rules committee made this a delay penalty, not unsportsmanlike conduct to take as much interpretation away from the officials as possible.

So how close to the ref does the ball need to be thrown to? Should coaches start working on this during practice? I'm not a fan of hard and fast rules that give no judgement to the refs. Just my 0.02. Was he trying to delay the game? F no.

I'm sure most of delay of game penalties are unintended, yet they are still called. This probably the case with the majority of penalties.

OK so then how far away is too far? Who has the rule book handy?

I agree.Just trying to show how silly the rule is.

Keep trying.

 

[DoubleG]

Why do Cowboys fans see a conspiracy when they don't get their way.

Please see the Packers thread. Apparently when your home team loses it is now quite the in thing to becry "Conspiracy!!!" And this what happens when a generation is brought up to think proffesional wrestling is real. :sad:

 

[Bankerguy]

Get a clue. He did not drop the ball. he tossed it upfield. The penalty is delay of game, not unsportsmanlike conduct so any action that delays the officials from spotting the ball is flagged. ESPN didn't show the flag graphic immediately and I was curious as to why as this has been getting called all season.

Get a clue?I state my opinion and you turn into Internet Tough guy.

I was watching the play too. He made no upward motion on the ball. He did not spike it. He swung his arm and let go. It dribbled a couple yards up the field TOWARD an official. It actually made the ball spotted faster.

Enough with the tough guy schtick. I can have an opinion. Noone cares about your ego around here.

I don't know how me questioning your observation skills equates to me pounding my chest, but whatever.He tossed the ball downfield as he turned to walk back to the huddle. He wasn't even looking where he threw it and the ball went off the television screen, so I don't see how anyone is coming to the conclusion that he threw it to an official. This has been getting called all season. I don't see what the confusion is all about. As stated in my earlier post, I was actually surprised when it looked like it wasn't going to be called.

The rules committee made this a delay penalty, not unsportsmanlike conduct to take as much interpretation away from the officials as possible.

So how close to the ref does the ball need to be thrown to? Should coaches start working on this during practice? I'm not a fan of hard and fast rules that give no judgement to the refs. Just my 0.02. Was he trying to delay the game? F no.

I'm sure most of delay of game penalties are unintended, yet they are still called. This probably the case with the majority of penalties.

OK so then how far away is too far? Who has the rule book handy?

I agree.Just trying to show how silly the rule is.

Keep trying.

Clearly missing the point, but oh well.

 

[Pound]

I'll chime in.

Spike/Delay of Game call on TO.. correct. When I saw it live I thought thats what they should call and even mentioned it to my buddy. When the flag came in and the infraction declared I was not at all surprised. They are going to call it every time you spike/throw/toss the ball especially this year so just put the ball down and huddle up. There won't be a problem then.

TO forced out of bounds play... I really thought the refs blew this one hard. TO may or may not come down in bounds with 2 feet, the fact is he was denied the opportunity to do so by the defender pushing him out of bounds first. In my mind this was clearly a bad call.

2-point conversion... Seemed like a good non-call to me. Defender brought his hands down after the ball arrived and stripped it free legally. I would have to look at it again to see if there was contact before the ball got there, but this was ok from what I remember.

Was an amazing game to watch and I thought the refs did a decent job overall.

 

[clinton_c]

I am a Cowboys fan....

The only terrible calls were the force out and the horse collar.

The only problem I have with the "delay of game" rule is that it leaves to much control to the refs. How far does the ball need to go from the offical for it to be called...I have seen plenty of players (including marion barber last night) toss the ball just like Owens did without it being called. Rules that are inconsistantly enforced leave open discussion just like this.

I thought the play on the 2pt was a good defense....after watching the reply he does make contact, but at full speed that would have been a tough one to call.

Now can we please get a rule in next off-season on this stupid "calling a timeout right as the ball is snapped" crap. It tricks up the game. I have no problem with icing a kicker, but not down to the last nano-second so that everyone in the stands and at home thinks that the kick counted.